PARANORMAL & MONSTER LEGENDS

[Toy Ranch]

I like stories about all that stuff and think it's all pretty cool, but I don't believe in any of it. 

[Wicked Lester]

I like stories about all that stuff and think it's all pretty cool, but I don't believe in any of it. 

Believe me. If it happens to you , you WILL!! Too much proof all over the place. Pretend that you are a 10 Y.O staving kid in Rwanda or the Niger and see if your belief system doesn't radically change.
Too much comfort =  BIG blinders.

[toysoldierman2001]

I have had many encounter with ghost in my 60yrs of life.The 1st was when I was about 16.My Grandmother always complained that she was cold.It could be 110 degrees outside but she would still say she was cold.A few weeks after she died the phone rang and I picked it up.I swear it was my Grandmothers voice on the other end saying Tommy I'm cold!

[packy120353]

Too much proof all over the place. Pretend that you are a 10 Y.O staving kid in Rwanda or the Niger and see if your belief system doesn't radically change.
Too much comfort =  BIG blinders.

There is no proof, especially all over the place. There are only people who believe.  As soon as there is proof the need for faith vanishes and it becomes knowledge.
I don't see what pretending to be a starving child has to do with believing in anything except that if you don't eat you'll die. But I do see that pretending to be an uneducated Rwandan even with a full belly I could believe in lots of unprovable gobbledegook.
To be open is to say it could be possible, but until one personally has some irrefutable proof would  not be convinced. I personally WISH it were so, it would be super cool to have evidence of an afterlife. It sure would have a profound affect on how many people live their lives now.
I've had a couple super spooky goose pimple moments - if I could astutely re-experience them and objectively try to disprove them and couldn't, I'd be willing to still claim something unexplainable happened. I would have to conclude that one possibility was paranormal in nature. But I just wouldn't have a NEED to explain it. Some people's brains struggle with unexplainable and "paranormal" meets that need.

[FACTO2]

Have had one encounter where I saw a ghost.  And I wasn't drunk or stoned or anything.  So I do believe in ghosts.  Mostly I believe that it's residual energy that has attached to physical environment and has not been able to move on.  Won't get into anything that might be construed as religious...

Have never seen a UFO.  But, I do believe there is life on other planets that have visited our Earth.  Just never seen it myself.

But, I want to believe.

[Toy Ranch]

Believe me. If it happens to you , you WILL!! Too much proof all over the place. Pretend that you are a 10 Y.O staving kid in Rwanda or the Niger and see if your belief system doesn't radically change.
Too much comfort =  BIG blinders.

Let's get past the starving Rwandan thing for a minute.  It's a scenario that's too easy to shoot holes all over.

But I'll take your "Too much comfort =  BIG blinders" and turn it around and say "too much misery = the NEED to believe in something, anything"

Many death row inmates get religion while they're on death row.  Sitting in a foxhole in the middle of a battlefield, the atheist starts to pray.  That does nothing to make it true.  They want to believe in something, so they latch onto what's there.  There are many who are very comfortable who have the same faith, but didn't get it through imminent death or misery.  That some were "miseried" into it doesn't make it untrue, either.

I've had numerous experiences that I can't quite explain, but that doesn't make them "paranormal", it just makes them unexplained.  I lose socks to my dryer sometimes, but I don't think there is a sock eating ghost in there.  They're not in the dryer hose.  There isn't enough lint in the lint trap for them to have disintegrated.  I put them in there, and they just disappeared.  I think a lot of people have had the same experience, but there isn't a legend about a sock eating dryer ghost so people just pass it off as no big deal.

And just to be clear, that wasn't what I meant when I said I had unexplained events in my life, it was just an example most people can relate to.

Whether it's religion or paranormal or whatever, there is no proof, there is only faith and belief.  What I believe in and my faith should not interfere with yours.  Everyone doesn't have to believe the same things for any of them to be true.  I don't believe in bigfoot or ghosts.  I don't think aliens have visited the Earth.  I could be wrong about that.  There are experiences I've had that could give me reason to believe in those things, but I have greater reason to believe otherwise.  My reason to believe otherwise is not because I'm afraid to believe in aliens visiting Earth or ghosts or bigfoot, actually I think all of that stuff would be VERY COOL if it were true.   It's just that to believe in them, I'd have to defy what my logic and sense tell me.   You might have the same experiences and come to a different conclusion.  Neither of us would know if the other were right or wrong until an actual bigfoot (live or dead) is found, or an actual alien (live or dead) turns up for EVERYONE to see, or until someone sucks a ghost into their proto pack and proves they exist. 

[CreepysFan]

 From what I understand not all haunting phenomenon are people's ghosts (though much of the time it is), but sometimes it's just energy imprinted on the environment.  Not really sure how you would determine the difference.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Bigfoot, yep there's no big Apes around, just like there's no giant squids or octopus in the deepest parts of the ocean, just like there's
no fish that could travel by land and back into the water.

[Toy Ranch]

Bigfoot, yep there's no big Apes around, just like there's no giant squids or octopus in the deepest parts of the ocean, just like there's
no fish that could travel by land and back into the water.

Get me one like that of bigfoot and I'm on the team.

This one don't work for me.


Neither does this.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Well I'm sorry Bobby, but I believe Patterson's film is not a fake

[Toy Ranch]

Well I'm sorry Bobby, but I believe Patterson's film is not a fake

As do some others, but there is that film and a couple of grainy stills that might be legit or might be fake.  You believe it's real, I believe it's not real.  It doesn't matter what either of us believe, there is no proof of the existence of bigfoot.  There is proof of the existence of giant squid and walking lungfish.  Heck, some friends of mine who were in the tropical fish wholesale business got a shipment one time and opened it up to find that a lungfish was in there and had eaten most of what they had paid for...  they took it home and put it in a 300 gallon tank that had a heavy glass top and put bricks on it to keep the fish in there.  He still got out, walked in their bedroom, and got in bed with them.   They had a waterbed.

If I wake up with a bigfoot in bed with me... 

oh wait... 

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

lol

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Edited, too much of a sideshow freak

[The Creeper]

Sometimes when I think of some of this stuff, I try to find logic in it and sometimes you can't.  Just like logic says there is always a begining and a end but we can't prove that with space.  So I guess anything could be possible.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

The story of the Loveland Frogmen begins on a barren stretch of road that runs along the Miami River in Clermont County, just on the outskirts of the small town of Loveland Ohio. At approximately 3:30 a.m. in May of 1955, an unnamed business man claimed to witness three bipedal quasi reptilian creatures gathered at the side of the road. The business man pulled over to the curb and observed the creatures for what he estimated to be about 3 minutes. He went on to describe the creatures as being between 3 and 4 feet tall, covered with a leathery skin and having webbed hands and feet.

Perhaps the most distinguishing characteristic of these creatures however is there distinctly frog like heads, which the business man reported to have deep wrinkles where their hair should have been. As the anonymous business man watched the three "frogmen" on of the creatures suddenly held up with the witness described as some kind of wand above its head, he further claimed that sparks spewed out of the top of the wand. Upon witnessing this strange site the business man fled the scene fearing for his life.

The next documented encounter with the Loveland Frogmen occurred at approximately 1:00 a.m. on March 3, 1972, when a police officer, who chose to remain anonymous, was traveling down Riverside Road heading towards Loveland. The officer claimed that he was driving slowly, due to overly ice roads, when he saw what appeared to be a dog on the side of the road. Suddenly the creature darted out in front of the cruiser causing the officer to slam on the breaks to avoid hitting the unknown animal. When the cruiser came to a stop the head lights fell upon a crouched frog like creature.

Quickly the creature stood on two legs stared back at the officer; its eyes illuminated by the high beams, and scrambled over the guard rail, down the embankment and finally vanished into the Ohio River. The officer described the creature as being 3 or 4 feet tall and weighing in the area of 50 to 75 pounds. He also stated that the skin had a leathery textured, and that the animal's resembled that of a frog or lizard. Later that evening another officer returned to the scene but found no signs of the animal, but did report that there where distinctive scratch marks on the guard raid that the creature reportedly scrambled over.

Another sighting by a police officer, Mark Mathews had an encounter of his own two weeks later. According to Officer Mathew's report he spotted what he believed to be an injured animal on the pavement while driving into Loveland. Mathews stepped out of his cruiser with the intention of removing the injured animal from the ice slicked road. As Officer Mathews got closer to the body the creature lurched upwards into a crouched position. Startled by the strange creatures frog like appearance, Mathews drew his gun and fired at the creature, wounded the "frog man" limped to the side of the road and slide over the guard rail. Officer Mathew's description of the frog like creature matched that of the other officers sighting two weeks prior.

Years after his original sighting, Officer Mathews has some what changed his story. He now claims that creature he saw that night was nothing more than a large reptile which had escaped from its owner. He further insisted that the reason he shot at the creature was to help confirm a fellow officer's story. Wither or not Mathews changed his story due to ridicule or a fading memory of an event which took place one dark night on an icy road outside of Loveland. In the many years following this small string of sightings there has been no reported sightings of the strange creatures which has become known as the Loveland Frogmen.

The Evidence
Despite sightings of the Loveland Frogmen by eyewitnesses as credible as police officers, there remains no physical evidence that the creature actually exists.

The Sightings
May, 1955, around 3:30 a.m. an unnamed business man claimed that he witnessed three bipedal, quasi-reptilian entities congregating by the side of the road.

March 3rd 1972, around 1:00 a.m. an anonymous police officer was traveling along Riverside Road heading towards Loveland, when he came across a frog like creature on the side of the road.

March, 1972, Officer Mark Mathews, reported pulling over to assist an injured animal on the side of the road. Upon approaching the creature Officer Mathews was startled by a strange Frogman like creature.

The Stats – (Where applicable)

• Classification: Hybrid
• Size: 3 to 4 feet
• Weight: 50 to 75 pounds
• Diet: unknown
• Location: Ohio River, Loveland Ohio
• Movement: Walking
• Environment: Rivers and near by embankments