PARANORMAL & MONSTER LEGENDS

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

THE DOVER DEMON



The frightening events known as the Dover Demon encounters began at 10:30 p.m. on April 21, 1977, in Dover, Massachusetts, an upscale suburb of Boston. Three teenagers, aged seventeen years old each were driving along, when one of them, Bill Bartlett, spotted "something" slinking next to a wall of stones on the west side of the street. The thing turned it's head and looked directly into the headlights of the car. Bartlett swore he saw two large, shiny eyes glowing brightly "like orange marbles." Its large oval head, which was easily as large as the rest of it's body sat atop a spindly neck. The body was lanky and long limbed and had large hands and feet. The skin was hairless and seemed to have a rough texture, not unlike sandpaper.


             It was less than four feet tall, and seemed surprised by the cars head lights as it made its way next to the wall. None of the others in the car saw the creature, which was only visible for a few seconds. They did testify later that their companion seemed genuinely distraught. When Bartlett arrived home his father noted how distressed he was. Bartlett then drew a sketch of the being. At approximately 12:30 a.m. John Baxter, aged fifteen, was walking home from his girlfriends house when he noticed a short figure walking toward him. Baxter thought it was a small friend of his, and called out this friends name, but he received no answer. As they neared one another the creature stopped, and so did Baxter, who then decided to get a better look and began once again to approach the creature. This sent the being running down a shallow gully and up the opposite bank.


             At the bottom of the slope he looked more closely at it. It looked unlike anything he had ever seen or heard of before in his young life. It stood in shadows about thirty feet away, its feet "molded" around some rocks upon which it was perched, a few feet from a tree. Both hands were wrapped around the trunk of the tree with very long fingers. He left the scene after that, and his description of the entity was exactly the same as Bartlett's.


The following evening, eighteen year old Will Taintor was driving fifteen year old Abby Brabham home, when Brabham said she spotted something in the vehicles headlights. On the left side of the roadway was a creature, with no hair and down on all fours, facing the vehicle. Its body was thin and monkeylike, and she also described a large, oversized oval head. She did say the eyes glowed green, and stuck to that point even when she was informed that Bartlett had said the eyes were orange. Taintor said he had only gotten a short glimpse.


             Paranormal investigator Loren Coleman, who lived in the area, heard about the Bartletts experience through a mutual acquaintance. As a result, he was interviewed, along with the other witnesses by ufologists Walter Webb and Ed Fogg. They also interviewed the parents, friends, teachers, school officials and police. They found nothing to indicate a hoax, to the contrary, those who knew the witnesses considered them as credible.  A local paper dubbed the creature the "Dover Demon."

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

BEAMAN MONSTER
The Beaman monster Kansas City area is said to be some sort of hybrid gorilla.

Russell Holman, an 81-year old native of Sedalia, said that the legend of the Beaman Monster can be traced back to the 1900s. His father had told him, a circus train got wrecked in the year 1904. Several animals used in the circus shows were aboard. During the train crash, a 12-foot tall gorilla, had escaped . Many people believe that the Beaman Monster was really the offspring of the escaped gorilla. Holman relates that one of his uncles residing on Glenn Road had told him about a hunt that happened in his cornfield during the late 1950s by people carrying all sorts of shotguns, to catch the Beaman Monster.. "It seems like they revive that story every 50 years," Holman said. "Dad said, when the boys would get out of hand, they'd call out the Beaman Monster if you didn't behave. I never did see anything." The Beaman monster was used like the bogey man to scare children into behaving and was therefore known to most people as a story or local legend

A 29-year old Sedalia native ,Daemon Smith claimed to have seen the creature and described it as like a coyote or wolf. Smith saw this monster when he was around 10 years old. He was then riding in his uncle's pickup truck when a wolf-shaped creature emerged from the woods and started running at the sides of the vehicle. "I've seen what my uncles told me was the Beaman Legend," said Daemon. "I haven't heard nobody speak of it since I was little It wasn't quite animalistic," Smith said. "It's hard to explain unless you've seen it." Other strange happenings occurred around the farm of Smith's uncle. Smith remembered when a pig was found mauled to death without any signs of another animal, such as tracks. Another time, a dark figure moved around in the woods during a thunderstorm. He said ."It's like one of those things, it could be something or it could be your imagination. It's not like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, I think something does exist that's unexplainable."
There have been reports of large footprints. Steve Mallard, 41, who grew up near Smithton saw some when he was about 12, Mallard and a friend went behind his parents' barn to dig for worms to go fishing. It was a spring morning, with dew on the grass and the boys saw a spot where it "looked like a deer or something had laid down." Then they noticed the footprints. "There were these huge footprints," Mallard said. "We followed them down to the pond and just got spooked. They were big; we couldn't stride that far apart." Mallard said he thinks the Beaman Monster may exist, especially after watching documentaries about American Indians who described seeing similar creatures."I get made fun of for it all the time, but I know what I saw that morning, and I'll never forget it," he said.
Some say the Beaman Monster as a prank in the 1950s. Jerry Laudenberger, 65, of Sedalia, was in high school in 1957 or 1958, when Broadway Boulevard was widened to four lanes. "This was about the same time the technology came along that used strobe lights as a caution (for the road construction)," he said. Some teenagers stole a construction sign with large, round, yellow flashing lights, covered it with brush and hid it in a field near Beaman. "We would drive out there just to see who was out there checking on the monster," Laudenberger said. "Mainly to see who was gullible enough to see the monster. ... It did kind of look like eyes flashing." Laudenberger said he knows the culprits behind the prank, but "I've held the secret 50 years; I'm not telling now."

So hoax, gorilla or wolfman? Take your pick!

[Nicole]

Kentucky Kryptids-

http://kentuckybigfoot.com/counties/kryptids.htm

My favorite is the creature called "The Gravedigger."

[Wicked Lester]

There is no proof, especially all over the place. There are only people who believe.  As soon as there is proof the need for faith vanishes and it becomes knowledge or know a fair amount of people that have had creepy unexplainable experiences.
I don't see what pretending to be a starving child has to do with believing in anything except that if you don't eat you'll die. But I do see that pretending to be an uneducated Rwandan even with a full belly I could believe in lots of unprovable gobbledegook.

I guess we haven't read the same material or seen the same documentaries or know people with similar experiences.
As for the kids in a third world country I guess my point was kinda unclear.
We here (most of us anyway)all live in industrialized/fast moving/technological/corporate based worlds. Living in such a world pretty much pushes all the "fairytales" of spooks/hauntings/aliens and weird creatures out the door. Just because "science" hasn't proved/confirmed something yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are also probably things they don't WANT to admit exist. At least not to the public.
I will agree tho that many 3rd world cultures believe in a lot of wacky stuff.

[packy120353]

As soon as there is proof the need for faith vanishes and it becomes knowledge or know a fair amount of people that have had creepy unexplainable experiences.

The above was posted by Lester as a quote by me. Just for the record my quote is only up to the word "knowledge" period. The portion beginning with "or know a fair amount of people..." isn't part of my quote and must have been a cut and paste error. Polterbytes.

[Monster Bob]

It's all mostly bullsh*t, but it's fun bullsh*t.    And while I will have to see Bigfoot, the Jersey Devil, the Loch Ness Monster, etc. to believe in them, I do believe in spooks, as those I've seen. I've also seen some pretty weird stuff in the sky, but haven't accepted the aliens yet, at least the bug-eyed charicature ones of the last 20 years. Now Triffids, sure.

[packy120353]

Just because "science" hasn't proved/confirmed something yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are also probably things they don't WANT to admit exist. At least not to the public.

You are partially correct. There is an unknowable quantity of "things" science has not proved the existence of. If everything was proven there would be no need for science.
Science deals in THEORY. Science exists to be DISPROVEN. Unlike faith which is an absolute belief with little room for doubt (hence the term "blind faith"). Scientists spend most of their time coming up with thoeries then trying to disprove them. Only when they fail to do so is a theory accepted. Scientists LOVE it when something comes along and blows up their theory  - because it gets them closer to the truth. A scientist's objective is to discover as much about all aspects of our world as possible then come up with ways to apply thse theories.
In theory there an infinity full of new "things" to learn about, one of which is definitely the paranormal including clairvoyance. Don't think for a secong that a scietist wouldn't love to publish a scientific theory which defines and captures not so much the existence but the CAUSE of such activity.
Just like Science would LOVE to have scientific evidence of aliens, Bigfoot, etc. None has been furnished so far but thank goodness real scientists are open minded enough to allow for the possibility.
The world is not flat after all. The world is round  but a globe is only three dimensional. But so far we lack the ability to quantify other dimensions. But scientists are open to the possibility. And given enough new evidence a new theory will be formulated.
I would not say a  scientist could have feelings of "not wanting something to exist" that sounds preposterous to me.

[Wicked Lester]

Paranormal activity can be related at times just to a certain area. There are 3 houses on my block that have had WEIRD stuff happen. My neighbors straight across my back yard,the people next to them and my house. The main focus seems to be the house across the back of the yard. We have all had similar experiences to various degrees. Things disappearing and showing up later in the same spot or elsewhere. And no I am not talking about misplacing this because everyone does that. Nor dryer monsters eating your socks.  Phantom smells,noises. Someone walking around when everyone is in bed. Getting a weird feeling while lying in bed and feeling the pressure of someone sitting on the  edge of the bed. The sound of radio broadcasts or tv shows when neither is on. Lights turning them selves on. Things being moved on a shelf.

The people across the way moved about a year ago. They were an older couple I had conversed with on this subject every several mos. I also talked to a couple of their grown children who also had had a few strange experiences.
The younger neighbors next to them are checking on the vacant house every couple-few weeks just to make sure things are in order. A few times they have found lights that were turned off were back on. Windows that were locked were open. Interior doors that were closed were open. And the phantom smells and occasional whispers still there.

A couple years ago the guy checking on the house was sitting in his own home on a bright sunny afternoon. He was sitting at the computer in the computer hutch in the kitchen. It is a straight 15 to 18 foot shot to the front door. Something makes him turn towards the door where he sees an old lady in her 70s standing a few feet inside the door. He never heard her come in. He asks if he can help her and she starts moving towards him. He tries talking to her again but she doesn't answer.
A few feet from him an he's getting creeped out and he freezes. She is almost right next to him and he gets a heavy chill like ice cubes going down his back. She walked right thru him and a couple feet passed him she fades away. Now this guy doesn't scare easy but this freaked him out and he wasn't himself for a fewdays. He related the incident to his older next door neighbors. When asked for a description he gave what he could remember. Seems that the lady this guy saw was possibly the wife of a past owner who was friends with the older couple. That lady died about a week before. Maybe she came back to see what the house looked like. Maybe it was just some energy left over. Maybe it was someone else.Don't know for sure.

[Wicked Lester]

The above was posted by Lester as a quote by me. Just for the record my quote is only up to the word "knowledge" period. The portion beginning with "or know a fair amount of people..." isn't part of my quote and must have been a cut and paste error. Polterbytes.

Yea you are right. Some how I screwed up an add on to one of my recent posts and this is what happed. My bad/or a glitch. Everyone just ignore that quote. It was  SUPPOSED to be "We haven't read the same material seen the same documentaries or know a fair amount of people who have had similar experiences.

[packy120353]

I truly wish something like that would happen to me. I would love to know the awe and wonder of feeling that my Grandparents or my Mom or any of our loved ones could be right here. And manifesting. Talk about a new world!
Well at least I'm open to the fact that if it did happen I wouldn't deny it.

[Wich2]

In the broadest use of the term, there are too many instances, through too much of recorded history, by too many kinds of people, for there not to be some kind of fire behind the steady clouds of smoke.

To dismiss ALL of the above, with a glib handwave of, "but I know better," seems to me to be a level of hubris much less rational than, well - a belief in the (not yet) known!

(That was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's take: the "un"- known is mainly the "not yet" - known.)

-Craig

[mike c]

In the broadest use of the term, there are too many instances, through too much of recorded history, by too many kinds of people, for there not to be some kind of fire behind the steady clouds of smoke.

To dismiss ALL of the above, with a glib handwave of, "but I know better," seems to me to be a level of hubris much less rational than, well - a belief in the (not yet) known!

(That was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's take: the "un"- known is mainly the "not yet" - known.)

-Craig

The same Doyle who espoused Blavatsky's Theosophy and lent his support to two little girls with a Midg quarter-plate camera and some cut outs of fairies.  

I think there's a big difference between rational skepticism, and outright "dimissing all of the above with a glib handwave of 'but I know better'." There's also a lot of similarity in that glib handwave of the cynic, and the total acceptance of any and all paranormal claims or ideas simply because 'science can't disprove it ('yet', as the apologists would add)'... blind allegiance cuts both ways.

I also agree with Packy that there is nothing the scientific community thinks exists but doesn't want to admit to the public (a strange notion indeed; science is the public too!)... science wants everything known.

The widespread mistrust and lack of understanding of the methods/motivations of science is what leads to this kind of thinking. Science is not the enemy of a wondrous world; the irony of people using computers to disavow the scientific method never escapes me.

But I am glad to so far NOT be seeing the old rising of hackles that threads like this invariably provoke. It's all going nicely until someone gets their feelings hurt because some long-held belief is being questioned. As I wrote previously, discussing some of this 'stuff' amounts to discussing religion. The skeptics ask how someone can believe any of this, the true believer asks why the skeptic has no faith, round and round. Slippery slope.

At any rate it's nice to see that the UMA peace continues.

[Toy Ranch]

In the broadest use of the term, there are too many instances, through too much of recorded history, by too many kinds of people, for there not to be some kind of fire behind the steady clouds of smoke.

To dismiss ALL of the above, with a glib handwave of, "but I know better," seems to me to be a level of hubris much less rational than, well - a belief in the (not yet) known!

(That was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's take: the "un"- known is mainly the "not yet" - known.)

-Craig

It was accepted at one point that the world was flat, and we know without a doubt it is round today.

I don't dismiss bigfoot or aliens or ghosts as not being possible, not at all.  And I fully believe that life in some manner exists in the universe, and probably in abundance.  Whether it is sentient life, or life as we think of it, I have no idea.  What I don't believe is that there is a vast government coverup of alien visitation to Earth, that aliens are living among us today, etc.  Is it possible?  Sure!  Just as it's possible there is a giant bipedal humanoid mammal roaming the woods and has not yet been discovered, it's possible that ghosts really do exist, etc.  I don't have a problem with people believing that, I just don't.  I think it's all very cool.  I think it would be extremely cool if it were proven to be true.  Until that happens, I simply don't think the weight of evidence comes down on the side of these things being real.  Others look at the same evidence and come to a different conclusion.   Truth is a union of fact and belief.  What is true for one person may not be true for another and that doesn't make either truth a better or worse truth than the other.

[Wich2]

Dear Mike-

That was emphatically not an attack on my part. And I know Doyle was not without his... failings? (Who of us is?)

My point is very much that it's not an Either/Or issue. In fact, the concept that Faith/Reason, Science/Religion, Known World/Unknown World should be mortal enemies is a relatively new one in history (stupid, that.)

I could not agree more, that there are extremists on both sides of the debate (a pox on both their houses!)

But when those at the one extreme say, "we can't quantify it - so it is not real,"  THAT is a misuse of the Scientific Method: formulating final theory before (admittedly!) having the data to do so.

Best,
-Craig W.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

AGOGWE

Thought to live in the remote forests of Eastern Africa, the Agogwe is often described as a small, 2 to 5 feet tall, human like biped covered in wooly rust colored hair and having yellowish reddish skin. The creature is often reported to have a rounded forehead, small canines and possessing small feet with an opposable big toe. Though reports are fairly consistent, some describe the Agogwe as having black or grey hair.

The first recorded sighting of the Agogwe by a non African native was documented in 1937 by Captain William Hichens in the December edition of the London magazine Discovery. Describing his 1900 encounter with the Agogwe, Captain Hichens wrote:

"Some years ago I was sent on an official lion hunt in this area," to which he was referring the Ussure and Simibit forests on the western side of the Wembare plains, "while waiting in a forest glade for a man eater, I saw two small, brown, furry creatures come from the dense forest on one side of the glade and then disappear into the thicket on the other side. They where like little men, about 4 feet high, walking upright, but clad in russet hair. The native hunter with me gazed in mingled fear and amazement. They were, he said, Agogwe, the little furry men whom one does not see once in a lifetime,"

In support of Captain Hichens story, British Officer Cuthbert Burgoyne wrote a letter to Discovery magazine in 1938 recounting his personal sighting of something similar in 1927 while traveling Portuguese East Africa aboard a Japanese cargo boat. Burgoyne wrote:

"We were sufficiently near to land to see objects clearly with a glass of 12 magnifications. There was a sloping beach with light bush above upon which several dozen baboons where hunting for and picking up shell fish of crabs, to judge by their movements. Two pure white baboons were amongst them. These are very rare but I had heard of them previously. As we watched, two little brown men walked together out of the bush and down among the baboons. They where certainly not any known monkey and they must have been akin or they would have disturbed the baboons. They where to far away to see in detail, but these small human like animals where probably between 4 and 5 feet tall, quite upright and graceful in figure. At the time I was thrilled as they quite evidently no beast of which I had heard or read. Later a friend and big game hunter told me he was in Portuguese East Africa with his wife and three other hunters, and saw mother, father and child, of apparently similar animal species, walk across the further side of a bush clearing. The natives loudly forbade him to shoot."

The Agogwe is also known as the Kakundakari or Kilomba in Zimbabwe and the Congo Regions of Africa. In the late 1950s, Charles Cordier, a professional animal collector followed the tracks of the Kakundakari in Zaire. Cordier stated that once one of the creatures had become entangled in one of his bird snares. "It fell on it face," said Cordier, "turned over, sat up, took the noose off its feet, and walked way before the nearby African could do anything." The Agogwe is also know an the Sehite on the Ivory Coast, the Agogure or Agogue in Tanzania and Northern Mozambique and some researchers suggest that the Orang Pendek of Sumatra may be a related species of the Agogwe.

It was suggested by cryptozoologist Bernard Heuvelmans that the Agogwe could be a surviving species of australopithecine, a bipedal primate known to have existed approximately 2.5 million years ago. The description of the Agogwe does fit the known features of the australopithecine, with the exception of Australopithecine's feet which did have somewhat diverged toe but far from the reported opposable toe of the Agogwe, however over millions of years it is conceivable that this toe may have evolved to become opposable.

Another theory is the possible survival of gibbons in Africa. The gibbon, or lesser ape as it is sometimes called, are different from the so called great apes, chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans, in that they are smaller, are pair-bonded, do not make nests and in some anatomical details in which they superficially more closely resemble monkeys. While matching the description of the Agogwe, including no tail and having a rounded forehead, gibbons are not known to live in Africa, instead preferring tropical and subtropical rain forests, mainly northeast India, Indonesia and China including the islands of Sumatra, Borneo and Java. Also gibbons rarely walk, instead preferring their primary mode of transportation, swinging from branch to branch in tree tops. However, the gibbon is certainly capable of walking on the ground, and when they do so walk on two legs.

Some theorize that the Agogwe may also be an undiscovered species of proto-pygmy, a term used by Ivan T. Sanderson to describe the unknown hairy little people of the world. This term is still used today in the work of Mark A. Hall, Patrick Huyghe, Loren Coleman and others while researching and documenting cases of smaller than normal hairy hominids.

The Evidence
Being that the Agogwe reportedly lives in the dense remote forest regions of Eastern Africa, no formal expeditions have been launched to locate this rare creature. Because of this there has been no physical evidence collected to support the existence of the Agogwe.

The Sightings
Sightings of the Agogwe are considered rare amongst the natives of the region, so it is no wonder that very few sightings have been reported by westerners. The exceptions being:

In 1900, Captain William Hichens, while on an official lion hunting expedition, spots two small, brown, furry creatures coming out of the dense woods on the opposite side of the glade he was in, the creatures appeared very man like, about 4 feet tall and walked upright but where covered in a russet hair.

In 1927, while on a Chinese cargo ship sailing close to shore along the coast of Portuguese East Africa, British Officer Cuthbert Burgoyne sports two little brown men walked together out of the bush. He described them as human like between 4 and 5 feet tall. Burgoyne also recalled a story a big game hunter friend told him of a time when he and his family where in East Africa and witnessed a similar looking family of these creatures, a mother, father and child.

In the late 1950.s Charles Cordier, a professional animal collector, followed the tracks of what he believed to be an Agogwe in Zaire. Cordier stated that one of the creatures had become entangled in one of his bird snares, but was able to roll over, sit up and remove the noose before a near buy African could react.

The Stats – (Where applicable)

• Classification: Hominid
• Size: 2 – 5 feet tall
• Weight: unknown
• Diet: unknown
• Location: Eastern Africa
• Movement: Bipedal Walking
• Environment: Remote Forests