Chucky Made Oprah Binge on Mac&Cheese

[BaronLatos35]

Race has nothing to do with it. Its all about the message she sends.

Disagree my friend, for some it may be, for others it's not. We are all privy to different conversations and interactions  in our lives. We all have different backgrounds and experiences to draw from.

While I can not discount your truth, neither can you discount someone else's truth.

[Dr. Madd]

Disagree my friend, for some it may be, for others it's not. We are all privy to different conversations and interactions  in our lives. We all have different backgrounds and experiences to draw from.

While I can not discount your truth, neither can you discount someone else's truth.

Its not a matter of race for anyone with any sense. I don't like Oprah, and wouldn't like her anyway she could be. She has an inflated view of her own overrated worth.

[Scatter]

I agree on that. But to go deeper, she is a successful, rich  Black business woman. That causes more vitriol towards her than gets credit for.

Please understand, I am not saying you and anyone on this board shares this thought, but it is widely discussed in the Black community.

The Oprah would be just as vacuous no matter what her race.  Good grief, will the racists in this world ever get over it??

[Scatter]

Disagree my friend, for some it may be, for others it's not. We are all privy to different conversations and interactions  in our lives. We all have different backgrounds and experiences to draw from.

While I can not discount your truth, neither can you discount someone else's truth.

Truth isn't relative, and you're not discussing truth, you're discussing perception. The fact that someone perceives an issue as racially motivated doesn't make it so. Either it is, or it isn't. Someone's perception doesn't affect the truth. It simply tells you something profound about the person. 
 
Personally, I'm thrilled that I have a Puerto Rican child, a white child, and a black child, so I can at least send these 3 out into the world neither relying upon nor blaming their pigmentation for their lot in life. They'll succeed or fail based upon the content of their character (as Dr King would say) and their willingness to work for what they desire. If any of them ever come dragging into MY house blaming their race for their failure, I'll tan their hides.

[Toy Ranch]

I think there are racial elements to the disdain in which some hold Oprah (note the term "SOME" here, if you want that to apply to you, feel free to defend yourself, otherwise don't assume that it does).  I also think there are racial elements to Oprah's success. 

Personally, I don't like Bea Arthur or Martha Stewart either.

[Scatter]

I think there are racial elements to the disdain in which some hold Oprah (note the term "SOME" here, if you want that to apply to you, feel free to defend yourself, otherwise don't assume that it does).  I also think there are racial elements to Oprah's success. 

Personally, I don't like Bea Arthur or Martha Stewart either.

There ya go.......Martha Freaking Stewart. Who's more irritating, Martha or Oprah?? There's a thread for ya!! And we can discuss whether the demographics for Martha's show are racially motivated too!!

[BaronLatos35]

Truth isn't relative, and you're not discussing truth, you're discussing perception. The fact that someone perceives an issue as racially motivated doesn't make it so. Either it is, or it isn't. Someone's perception doesn't affect the truth. It simply tells you something profound about the person. 
 
Personally, I'm thrilled that I have a Puerto Rican child, a white child, and a black child, so I can at least send these 3 out into the world neither relying upon nor blaming their pigmentation for their lot in life. They'll succeed or fail based upon the content of their character (as Dr King would say) and their willingness to work for what they desire. If any of them ever come dragging into MY house blaming their race for their failure, I'll tan their hides.

Scatter, I am speaking truth...your perceptions may cloud this truth in your eyes, but regardless it is truth. It is difficult to discount another's life experiences because they do not match with yours.

I never said all negative comments are racially motivated against her, I merely brought to light truths which may or may not be spoken in your presence. It's not racist to present a viewpoint that is shared by people who may not look like you. That is truth my friend, not my perception. We will not "get over" racism until courageous conversations can be held with mutual respect.

TR is correct as I said in an earlier post. For some it maybe, for some it's not. I don't watch her show or Martha Stewart, because I do not like their shows.

I respect your multicultural family, I grew up in one, I know. I say this with respect my friend, your kids will be judged on what they look like. I know they will be strong enough to overcome negative perceptions placed upon them and succeed in life. I do everyday.

[Moonshadow]

I respect your multicultural family, I grew up in one, I know. I say this with respect my friend, your kids will be judged on what they look like. I know they will be strong enough to overcome negative perceptions placed upon them and succeed in life. I do everyday.

Too true.  My niece, who is a beautiful, smart, kind little black girl, was recently told by a classmate that she was "just a dirty n*gger" among other equally horrible things. And these are 8 year olds! That kind of hatred and prejudice is still being passed down from generation to generation. I do think maybe there's less of it now...but until there's none it won't ever be good enough. Thankfully, my niece has a very supportive and loving family and she has a sense of self-worth. But these things do still happen, and then there's the more subtle prejudice that happens all the time.  It doesn't mean people of color can't succeed, but sometimes it does make it harder.

[Scatter]

Scatter, I am speaking truth...your perceptions may cloud this truth in your eyes, but regardless it is truth. It is difficult to discount another's life experiences because they do not match with yours.

I never said all negative comments are racially motivated against her, I merely brought to light truths which may or may not be spoken in your presence. It's not racist to present a viewpoint that is shared by people who may not look like you. That is truth my friend, not my perception. We will not "get over" racism until courageous conversations can be held with mutual respect.

TR is correct as I said in an earlier post. For some it maybe, for some it's not. I don't watch her show or Martha Stewart, because I do not like their shows.

I respect your multicultural family, I grew up in one, I know. I say this with respect my friend, your kids will be judged on what they look like. I know they will be strong enough to overcome negative perceptions placed upon them and succeed in life. I do everyday.

You completely missed my point.You stated that truth is different for one person than another. It is not. A fact must either be true or untrue, and the perception of any one person or group of persons does not affect truth in the least. 2+2=4..............I don't care what someone may perceive about it or how many perceive 2+2=5. It doesn't change the truth.

The Law Of Non Contradiction states that it is not possible for something to be both true and untrue at the same time and in the same context. "A"  cannot be both "A" and "Non-A" at the same time and in the same context.

I wasn't directly addressing Oprah at that point, I was addressing a relativistic mindset that contradicts one of the 3 major dicta of logic, the Law Of Non-Contradiction (truth can be both truth and non-truth at the same time depending upon your racial group).

As for my kids, if they were grossly overweight or handicapped instead of black or brown, they would also be judged by their appearance. We all are. So what?? That's either a barrier that everyone has to overcome (which it is to varying degrees) or an excuse for failure. Because the former is true, the latter is unacceptable.

[Scatter]

Too true.  My niece, who is a beautiful, smart, kind little black girl, was recently told by a classmate that she was "just a dirty n*gger" among other equally horrible things. And these are 8 year olds! That kind of hatred and prejudice is still being passed down from generation to generation. I do think maybe there's less of it now...but until there's none it won't ever be good enough. Thankfully, my niece has a very supportive and loving family and she has a sense of self-worth. But these things do still happen, and then there's the more subtle prejudice that happens all the time.  It doesn't mean people of color can't succeed, but sometimes it does make it harder.

Agreed.........to that point, we have a neighbor at the new house who was very friendly towards us until I brought my kids over to say hello. Suddenly, things got a bit more frosty. We recently left a church for the same reason. Folks simply stopped talking to us after we began bringing the baby (who is black). And I mean EVERYONE stopped talking to us.

Is that an excuse for Jonah or Jordan to hide behind if they fail?? Hell no. Their lives are filled with examples of very successful black lawyers, and Jewish surgeons, and white executives, and Hispanic entrepreneurs. They succeeded despite anyone elses prejudice, and I expect the same from my kids. I don't expect them to crumble because someone doesn't like their color any more than I expect them to crumble if someone calls them "fatty" or "cripple".

[bigbud]

Wow! This is one heavy conversation! Scatter...... you man, are deep.......and that is so cool!  When we meet, and someday we will, I feel sure that my being too tall and definitely on the ugly side will only peak our mutual curiosity and make us even better friends. Now keep at it......this was just a short intermission.......Love, Buddy

[Haunted hearse]

As far as I'm concerned, Black is beautiful, especially when it comes to funeral Coaches.

[Dr. Madd]

I think there are racial elements to the disdain in which some hold Oprah (note the term "SOME" here, if you want that to apply to you, feel free to defend yourself, otherwise don't assume that it does).  I also think there are racial elements to Oprah's success. 

Personally, I don't like Bea Arthur or Martha Stewart either.

I want to be the Martha Stewart of Monsters.

[Uncula]

Well, most people are searching for something. I can think of worse things for them to follow than Oprah.

Sorry about the interuption here but I find I must "Chime In" here or burst!!

Let me begin by  saying that I have learned to love each one of you.  Your comments stimulate my mind and Spirit!
Although I have studied Theology, I make know claim at being a Theologian!

There are, however, certain things that I know:
1.  As a Teenager, like Jonah of old, I turned completely the other way than the way God planned of me.
2.  For approximately 6 years of this 180 degree turn, I studied, believed and practiced Satanism!
3.  In June of 1973, in futility with my life, I finally listened to the God who had been seeking me all of my life and accepted Jesus as my Savior!
4.  In 1980, I woke up my wife of two years to tell her that, Of all things, God had called me to his Preaching ministry.
5.  When she woke up and before I could tell her the news, SHE told me that God had called me to Preach His Word, if she had told me earlier it would have caused a lot less anxiety!  LOL

That all being said, MoonShadow, there is not anything worse than following Oprah but only ONE thing better which is to ask forgiveness of our sins and becoming a "follower" of Jesus.

[Dr. Madd]

Well, most people are searching for something. I can think of worse things for them to follow than Oprah.

Sorry about the interuption here but I find I must "Chime In" here or burst!!

Let me begin by  saying that I have learned to love each one of you.  Your comments stimulate my mind and Spirit!
Although I have studied Theology, I make know claim at being a Theologian!

There are, however, certain things that I know:
1.  As a Teenager, like Jonah of old, I turned completely the other way than the way God planned of me.
2.  For approximately 6 years of this 180 degree turn, I studied, believed and practiced Satanism!
3.  In June of 1973, in futility with my life, I finally listened to the God who had been seeking me all of my life and accepted Jesus as my Savior!
4.  In 1980, I woke up my wife of two years to tell her that, Of all things, God had called me to his Preaching ministry.
5.  When she woke up and before I could tell her the news, SHE told me that God had called me to Preach His Word, if she had told me earlier it would have caused a lot less anxiety!  LOL

That all being said, MoonShadow, there is not anything worse than following Oprah but only ONE thing better which is to ask forgiveness of our sins and becoming a "follower" of Jesus.

Who are we talking about?