Did anyone hear about this? :'(
I was trolling around online Halloween shops, and came across a book listed here
http://www.mooncostumes.com/item/14529 (http://www.mooncostumes.com/item/14529)
OG
It was published in 2004. Read the reviews on Amazon before you buy.
Quote from: Toy Ranch on August 27, 2010, 01:36:47 PM
It was published in 2004. Read the reviews on Amazon before you buy.
Thanks TR
it's a lot of fun reading the debates over the Patterson Bigfoot. There's no solid proof on either side, so it really comes down to a matter of preference and/or belief. I hope we never find out the truth.
I think it's funny that there is always some one trying to hop on the bandwagon, and make money off of lies....
The Lie, being that Patterson faked the film..."They" always attack Patterson, and say"It was me in that suit.."
It's quite funny, that these so-called "Bigfoot Costumed people" say these things after Patterson's death..that way, Patterson isnt here to defend himself or his footage...
Well...hell's bells...I will step up to the plate..
What I find most ridiculous is, people can believe in Aliens and Ghosts...
So why is it so hard to believe in Giant Apes??
I would hazard to say IMO, that anyone who believes in any of those, more than likely believes in the existence of the hole kit & kaboodle.
Quote from: Opera Ghost on August 27, 2010, 04:02:24 PM
I would hazard to say IMO, that anyone who believes in any of those, more than likely believes in the existence of the hole kit & kaboodle.
How would allowing for the possibility that there might be an undiscovered species in some of the most remote reaches of the planet equate to believing in little green men from Mars or spooks (both of which I reject)??
Remember, mountain gorillas were considered the stuff of fables, as were Komodo Dragons, Giant Pandas,Giant Geckos, and a host of other species once relegated to legend.
I mean really........if somebody told you that a giant bear with a lilly white furry head, jet black ears, black eyes, white torso, black arms and black legs was wandering around, you'd never believe it. But it exists, and it was dismissed as a fantasy for ages. Or how about 10 foot, 200 pound lizards that can run like the wind, swim like a fish, and climb like a monkey, and who could rip a man apart?? Or snakes almost 30 feet long and over 500 pounds? Or giant squid almost 50 feet long??But these all remained undiscovered until relatively recently except in the legends of the indigenous people.
Quote from: Scatter on August 27, 2010, 04:49:10 PM
How would allowing for the possibility that there might be an undiscovered species in some of the most remote reaches of the planet equate to believing in little green men from Mars or spooks (both of which I reject)??
Remember, mountain gorillas were considered the stuff of fables, as were Komodo Dragons, Giant Pandas,Giant Geckos, and a host of other species once relegated to legend.
I mean really........if somebody told you that a giant bear with a lilly white furry head, jet black ears, black eyes, white torso, black arms and black legs was wandering around, you'd never believe it. But it exists, and it was dismissed as a fantasy for ages. Or how about 10 foot, 200 pound lizards that can run like the wind, swim like a fish, and climb like a monkey, and who could rip a man apart?? Or snakes almost 30 feet long and over 500 pounds? Or giant squid almost 50 feet long??But these all remained undiscovered until relatively recently except in the legends of the indigenous people.
Never said they were Green
never said theuy were from Mars
AND I never said that they were little ;D
Has anyone here, seen these videos?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPytCu4NJMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8feEetlNE
I will go with the Patterson-Gimlin film....before this.
Btw, and just for the record. I never, ever thought the
Patterson-Gimlin film was a fake, hoax or other wise. Call me gullible.
I would rather believe in something that of a film, than an Alien which is intangible. Although,
I would guess the Patterson film to be intangible too. But, at lease I can see it. Aliens....
well....that's another story.
Quote from: marsattacks666 on August 27, 2010, 05:51:19 PM
Has anyone here, seen these videos?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPytCu4NJMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY8feEetlNE
I will go with the Patterson-Gimlin film....before this.
Btw, and just for the record. I never, ever thought the
Patterson-Gimlin film was a fake, hoax or other wise. Call me gullible.
I would rather believe in something that of a film, than an Alien which is intangible. Although,
I would guess the Patterson film to be intangible too. But, at lease I can see it. Aliens....
well....that's another story.
To my eyes, the first one looks like it is emulating the Patterson film
There is so much artifacting in these, I'm willing to bet there some post going on--unless they were off of a cell phone cam
Cool topic. I think the Paterson footage is real. I have seen shows that take that film apart frame by frame.
No way, in 1967, that could have been faked. I also dont think anyone would have had the forsight to give the creature breasts back in 1967.
Not to mention, I have done sone traveling. Until a person heads down south or to the west coast it is hard you visulize just how vast this country is. There are thousands upon thousand of acres of mountains and land were no man has set foot...and just about anything could be living there.
Quote from: Opera Ghost on August 27, 2010, 05:58:28 PM
To my eyes, the first one looks like it is emulating the Patterson film
There is so much artifacting in these, I'm willing to bet there some post going on--unless they were off of a cell phone cam
I thought the same thing with the first video. Very Patterson-esque.
This particular video was featured on Faked Or Fiction T.V.show.
Quote from: Opera Ghost on August 27, 2010, 05:11:55 PM
Never said they were Green
never said theuy were from Mars
AND I never said that they were little ;D
Are they more like this??
(http://img.listal.com/image/1240860/500full.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ/SSOiGS64DVI/AAAAAAAAGLs/Fyj0ADemj-U/s400/captain-kirk-wtf.jpg)
The Patterson-Grimlin film has never been debunked or replicated. I don't KNOW that Bigfoot exists, but it's a lot more likely that a terrestrial species could be discovered in some of the most remote reaches of the planet (which happens with regularity) than that some extra-terrestrial species would surmount the staggering difficulties of interplanetary travel just to play hide and seek with the residents of this relative craphole of a planet.
Quote from: Scatter on August 27, 2010, 06:40:10 PM
Are they more like this??
(http://img.listal.com/image/1240860/500full.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kXnVoQ9ZFkQ/SSOiGS64DVI/AAAAAAAAGLs/Fyj0ADemj-U/s400/captain-kirk-wtf.jpg)
What the **** is Capt. Kirk Holding?!? A (bleep)!!!!!
Quote from: marsattacks666 on August 27, 2010, 06:54:10 PM
What the **** is Capt. Kirk Holding?!? A (bleep)!!!!!
A rock hard stalactite I believe. Now, considering the low esteem in which Shatner's co-stars held him, how likely do you think it is that the CREW on Star Trek hated him enough to pull this awesome gag on him during filming?? LOL!!!
LOVE THE SHAT!!
Quote from: Scatter on August 27, 2010, 06:59:15 PM
A rock hard stalactite I believe. Now, considering the low esteem in which Shatner's co-stars held him, how likely do you think it is that the CREW on Star Trek hated him enough to pull this awesome gag on him during filming?? LOL!!!
LOVE THE SHAT!!
Nice!!!!!
I'm not wanting to spoil anyone's beliefs here, as I LOVE the whole Sasquatch mythos and part of me hopes it's all true, but I've spoken to both Joe Dante and William Stout about the Patterson Bigfoot footage, and it's my understanding that it was an in-joke/hoax put together by some young Hollywood film makers at the time. They all agreed to keep it a secret for an undetermined period of time. My understanding is that John Chambers ( make-up designer for "The Planet of the Apes") was involved in creating the suit and future director John Landis was there during the shooting. Forry Ackerman knew about the whole thing and took the secret to his grave, but he gave a wink and a nod to Bill Stout at a party when asked about the truth of the matter.
Now, I wasn't there, and I'm no authority on the footage. There are a lot of stories surrounding the footage. I'm not even sure I should be talking about it, but since I'm really nobody and don't really know anything except things I've heard at conventions and at parties, I don't think my comments here will change anyone's mind on the subject.
Long live Bigfoot!
Quote from: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on August 27, 2010, 07:37:48 PM
I'm not wanting to spoil anyone's beliefs here, as I LOVE the whole Sasquatch mythos and part of me hopes it's all true, but I've spoken to both Joe Dante and William Stout about the Patterson Bigfoot footage, and it's my understanding that it was an in-joke/hoax put together by some young Hollywood film makers at the time. They all agreed to keep it a secret for an undetermined period of time. My understanding is that John Chambers ( make-up designer for "The Planet of the Apes") was involved in creating the suit and future director John Landis was there during the shooting. Forry Ackerman knew about the whole thing and took the secret to his grave, but he gave a wink and a nod to Bill Stout at a party when asked about the truth of the matter.
Now, I wasn't there, and I'm no authority on the footage. There are a lot of stories surrounding the footage. I'm not even sure I should be talking about it, but since I'm really nobody and don't really know anything except things I've heard at conventions and at parties, I don't think my comments here will change anyone's mind on the subject.
Long live Bigfoot!
I would like to hear some more. Can you P.M. me....and tell me a few?
Quote from: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on August 27, 2010, 07:37:48 PM
I'm not wanting to spoil anyone's beliefs here, as I LOVE the whole Sasquatch mythos and part of me hopes it's all true, but I've spoken to both Joe Dante and William Stout about the Patterson Bigfoot footage, and it's my understanding that it was an in-joke/hoax put together by some young Hollywood film makers at the time. They all agreed to keep it a secret for an undetermined period of time. My understanding is that John Chambers ( make-up designer for "The Planet of the Apes") was involved in creating the suit and future director John Landis was there during the shooting. Forry Ackerman knew about the whole thing and took the secret to his grave, but he gave a wink and a nod to Bill Stout at a party when asked about the truth of the matter.
Now, I wasn't there, and I'm no authority on the footage. There are a lot of stories surrounding the footage. I'm not even sure I should be talking about it, but since I'm really nobody and don't really know anything except things I've heard at conventions and at parties, I don't think my comments here will change anyone's mind on the subject.
Long live Bigfoot!
Allow me to re-kindle your hopes.......John Chambers has stated many times that the hoax is on Dante and Stout.
HOLLYWOOD'S CLAIM ON PATTERSON BIGFOOT FILM DENIED
"Planet of the Apes" Special Effects Designer Says He Didn't Do It
The November 1, 1997 edition of CNI News carried a story alleging that Oscar-winning Hollywood special effects wizard, John "Planet of the Apes" Chambers, was responsible for creating a costume featured in the famous Bigfoot film footage shot by Roger Patterson in 1967. The claim for Chambers' authorship of the alleged costume was attributed to respected film director John Landis and was reportedly supported by numerous artists within the special effects industry.
However, new information from Brian Penikas, Creative Director for a company called Makeup & Monsters, puts to rest the theory that Chambers had any hand in the Patterson film. Penikas writes:
"Recently my crew and I were involved in a surprise 75th birthday tribute to Mr. Chambers, for which 9 of us recreated a parody skit re-enacting characters from the Ape movies. Mr. Chambers and the rest of the guests, many of whom were survivors of the Apes saga, were wonderfully surprised.
"I had only met Mr. Chambers briefly prior to the surprise party, and the opportunity to discuss the "suit" rumor was not high on my agenda... This past Saturday [October 25, 1997], however, the cast of the Apes birthday skit went back (sans costumes and makeup) to visit with Mr. Chambers and his wife... [This] was our chance to truly and finally confront Mr. Chambers about these rumors and stories about him being involved in the Patterson film project.
"Mr. Chambers told his story, on video tape, to us to set the record straight. I now have pictures of the suit that Chambers did make and you can rest assured that it is NOT the famous Patterson Bigfoot. In fact, it's not a suit AT ALL. It is an 8 foot tall plaster dummy of actor Richard "Jaws" Keil that was built (in 4 days) as a prop for a travelling carnival to be billed as "Bigfoot's Body" or some such sideshow attraction, and was apparently displayed in a coffin. That's all. Just a solid, 800-pound prop.
"Mr. Chambers did say (in regards to the Patterson footage) that he and his crew wished they had done it, because they would have done it differently. I believe his exact words were, jokingly, 'We could've done better.'
"So there you have it... We can all smile with relief that the Patterson footage is still the most convincing proof of our great folk legend's existence, and that it still has not been debunked.
"I want that film to be real just as much as the next guy," Penikas said in conclusion.
Forever Linked to Bigfoot: John Chambers Passes Away
by Loren Coleman
Image courtesy of www.apemania.com (http://www.apemania.com)
John Chambers, who once created a Bigfoot carnival prop and was rumored to be behind the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot footage, died of diabetes complications, 25 August 2001, at the Motion Picture and Television Fund retirement home in Woodland Hills. He was 78.
For years, a rumor had circulated that Chambers, famed Academy Award-winning Hollywood special effects man, manufactured the suit allegedly worn by the Bigfoot pictured in the famed Patterson-Gimlin Film which spawned renewed interest in the creature.
The controversy peaked on the thirtieth anniversary of the filming when press accounts from around the world recycled this rumor without benefit of a personal interview with Chambers. Typical of the headlines is one that appeared in London's Sunday Telegraph for October 19, 1997: "Hollywood admits to Bigfoot hoax." The article, timed to the anniversary of reads in part: "A piece of film, which for 30 years has been regarded as the most compelling evidence for the existence of Bigfoot, the North American 'abominable snowman', is a hoax, according to new claims. John Chambers, the man behind the Planet of the Apes films and the elder statesman of Hollywood's 'monster-makers', has been named by a group of Hollywood make-up artists as the person who faked Bigfoot.
"In an interview with Scott Essman, an American journalist, the veteran Hollywood director John Landis...said: 'That famous piece of film of Bigfoot walking in the woods that was touted as the real thing was just a suit made by John Chambers.' He said he learned the information while working alongside Mr Chambers on Beneath the Planet of the Apes in 1970."
But the truth of the matter apparently lived beyond the Hollywood rumor mill.
On October 26, 1997, California Bigfoot researcher and nurse Bobbie Short interviewed Chambers, then living in seclusion in a Los Angeles nursing home. The make-up artist insisted he had no prior knowledge of Roger Patterson or Bob Gimlin before their claimed Bigfoot encounter on October 20, 1967. He also denied having anything to do with creating the suit, and blamed the Hollywood rumor mill. Chambers went on to say that he was "good" but he "was not that good" to have fashioned anything nearly so convincing as the Bluff Creek Bigfoot.
As stated in the press at the time, the well-known movie director John Landis claimed that Chambers not only made the Patterson suit but helped make the film. For just as long people have pointed to Landis as the one from whom they heard the story, not Chambers. But Chambers himself said the only Bigfoot he made was the "Burbank Bigfoot," a large stone prop intended to imitate a real Bigfootlike creature and used for a carnival tour. Some even speculated that Chambers was involved with constructing the Minnesota Iceman, shown in Midwestern state and stock fairs by Frank Hansen, beginning in 1967. The Burbank Bigfoot, however, appears to be the only "Bigfoot" Chambers ever created.
During his 30-year career, Chambers worked on several movies and television shows, including TV's "The Outer Limits," "The Munsters," "Lost in Space" and "Mission Impossible." Chambers was responsible for putting the pointy ears on "Star Trek's" Mr. Spock. His makeup and prosthetics film credits included "National Lampoon's Class Reunion" (1982), "Halloween II" (1981), "The Island of Dr. Moreau" (1977), "SSSSSSS" (1973), "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" (1973), "Superbeast" (1972), "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" (1972), "Slaughterhouse-Five" (1972), "Escape from the Planet of the Apes" (1971), "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" (1970), "Planet of the Apes" (1968), "The List of Adrian Messenger" (1963), and "Showdown at Boot Hill" (1958).
John Chambers is best known, however, for designing the anthropoids in the original "Planet of the Apes." When he worked on "Planet of the Apes" in the 1960s, Chambers recalled in a recent Assoicated Press interview how he spent hours at the Los Angeles Zoo doing research.
"It was the best way I could think of for capturing the elastic facial expressions of the apes," he said.
The Associated Press noted that his preparation led him to develop a new type of foam rubber that was easier to work with than the material commonly used at the time. He also created facial appliances that could be attached to actors' faces to form primate features. For his efforts he became only the second makeup artist to receive an honorary Academy Award. A competitive category for makeup was established in the 1980s.
Considering the timing of the filming of the Patterson-Gimlin footage in 1967, many skeptics of the film naturally looked to Chambers as the source of the fully-haired upright primate in the film. Critics of the film's debunkers would later point out that the original "Planet of the Apes" costumes were not full-body suits, but mostly rigid facial and upper torso gear.
Intriguingly, Chambers' first of only a few acting appearances was in a 1971 movie about a California Bigfoot that terrorized co-eds. The film, "Schlock" was directed by John Landis, who also played the film's very thin Bigfoot. Chambers played the National Guard Captain in the film. Chambers' student, Rick Baker, who one day would create Harry in "Harry and the Hendersons," did the makeup and created the Bigfoot in Schlock.
John Chambers' name will forever be linked to Bigfoot, no matter the realities behind the rumors.
© 2001 Loren Coleman
© Loren Coleman 2003
Quote from: Scatter on August 27, 2010, 07:50:04 PM
Allow me to re-kindle your hopes.......John Chambers has stated many times that the hoax is on Dante and Stout.
HOLLYWOOD'S CLAIM ON PATTERSON BIGFOOT FILM DENIED
"Planet of the Apes" Special Effects Designer Says He Didn't Do It
The November 1, 1997 edition of CNI News carried a story alleging that Oscar-winning Hollywood special effects wizard, John "Planet of the Apes" Chambers, was responsible for creating a costume featured in the famous Bigfoot film footage shot by Roger Patterson in 1967. The claim for Chambers' authorship of the alleged costume was attributed to respected film director John Landis and was reportedly supported by numerous artists within the special effects industry.
However, new information from Brian Penikas, Creative Director for a company called Makeup & Monsters, puts to rest the theory that Chambers had any hand in the Patterson film. Penikas writes:
"Recently my crew and I were involved in a surprise 75th birthday tribute to Mr. Chambers, for which 9 of us recreated a parody skit re-enacting characters from the Ape movies. Mr. Chambers and the rest of the guests, many of whom were survivors of the Apes saga, were wonderfully surprised.
"I had only met Mr. Chambers briefly prior to the surprise party, and the opportunity to discuss the "suit" rumor was not high on my agenda... This past Saturday [October 25, 1997], however, the cast of the Apes birthday skit went back (sans costumes and makeup) to visit with Mr. Chambers and his wife... [This] was our chance to truly and finally confront Mr. Chambers about these rumors and stories about him being involved in the Patterson film project.
"Mr. Chambers told his story, on video tape, to us to set the record straight. I now have pictures of the suit that Chambers did make and you can rest assured that it is NOT the famous Patterson Bigfoot. In fact, it's not a suit AT ALL. It is an 8 foot tall plaster dummy of actor Richard "Jaws" Keil that was built (in 4 days) as a prop for a travelling carnival to be billed as "Bigfoot's Body" or some such sideshow attraction, and was apparently displayed in a coffin. That's all. Just a solid, 800-pound prop.
"Mr. Chambers did say (in regards to the Patterson footage) that he and his crew wished they had done it, because they would have done it differently. I believe his exact words were, jokingly, 'We could've done better.'
"So there you have it... We can all smile with relief that the Patterson footage is still the most convincing proof of our great folk legend's existence, and that it still has not been debunked.
"I want that film to be real just as much as the next guy," Penikas said in conclusion.
WOW!!!!
John Chambers
Born 12 September, 1923
Died 25 August, 2001
Gender Male
Roles Creative Makeup Designer
Productions
First Production: Planet of the Apes
Last Production: Battle for the Planet of the Apes
John Chambers (born in Chicago, Illinois) was a famous make-up artist who became a veteran in both television and film. One of the most imaginative and resourceful of makeup artists, Chambers was a graduate commercial artist, who also studied and worked in sculpture. In World War II, he learned techniques in plastic and rubber chemistry for prosthetic work, creating artificial eyes, ears, noses, etc., for returning veterans. After prosthetic lab work for the Illinois government, he went to Hollywood and worked at NBC-TV studios. He continued to do prosthesis work in his garage laboratory, and was involved with several hospitals and research centers in developing and lecturing on techniques of medical restoration. Known as the ghost laboratory man, he worked on many television series, including Outer Limits (the domed head for David McCallum in The Sixth Finger), The Munsters, The Invaders, Star Trek (the pointed ears worn by Leonard Nimoy), Lost In Space, and Night Gallery. For movies, he created the masks for The List Of Adrian Messenger, Tony Curtis' false nose in The Boston Strangler, Richard Harris' false chest in A Man Called Horse, and the dog's head and plaster casts for The Mephisto Waltz. Although he worked on some of the sleeper movies such as his first movie, Around the World in Eighty Days, Phantom of the Paradise and Halloween II, his work became known worldwide in the Planet of the Apes series of movies, for which he won a Special Academy Award. [1]
John Chambers was not involved in the initial stages of the developement of the makeup for Planet of the Apes - the early screen test made to convince the board of 20th Century Fox of the viability of an Apes movie featured makeup by Fox's Ben Nye, as Chambers recalled: "At Fox, they had done a little test with the first person who tried out, and that was Edward G. Robinson. He was fabulous as Zaius (Maurice Evans was marvelous in the final casting), and I loved the way he did it. The makeup was crude, but they had a semblance of what they wanted. That's how the one concept was started." "I was in Madrid, changing Bob Culp into a mandarin for I Spy, when Ben Nye called from Fox asking me to go to London to check out a system of making ape appliances which would allow facial manipulation. This was six months before the start of shooting. We then had to determine what the makeup concept would be." "When I went into it, the producer (Arthur P. Jacobs) and his associate (Mort Abrahams), had a concept of a neanderthal type, where he was fringing more on the human than the animal." "I read the script, and agreed with the director, Franklin Schaffner, that the apes should not be made to look like hair-faced human beings - they should be animals, apes, with perhaps some minor concessions here and there. In other words, we carried the evolutionary process only very slightly beyond what you might call 'basic ape'. To arrive at our final concept for the three ape types - chimpanzee, orangutan, and gorilla - we resorted to a good deal of sculpture. We would take a basic human head in plaster, and then in clay, model on this head our ape variations. We came up with things looking like the Neanderthal Man and so forth, which we discarded. The concepts were too ambiguous - they lacked the strength of the animal face and personality. We needed the pleasantness, yet the strength, of the animal without being too grotesque."[1]
Tom Burman, Chambers assistant during the planning of Planet of the Apes, claims he was working on a sculpture in a back room of the makeup lab when Fox executives were viewing John Chambers' ape sculpts. Unhappy with Chambers' presentation, they were leaving when they saw Burman's work. He wasn't very experienced at sculpting, and as a result it was a very 'human-looking' ape, but that was the look they liked. After banning Burman from the lab for a week, Chambers grudgingly allowed him to come back, and Chambers, Burman and Dan Striepeke decided that the fact that these apes had evolved beyond present-day apes was the reason they looked the way they did. Chambers began experimenting along lines that had been previously used by Jack Dawn when creating the characters for The Wizard Of Oz; to turn Bert Lahr into the 'Cowardly Lion' demanded that Lahr would still have complete use of his face for comedy effects, while the entire shape of his head was altered and exaggerated. Dawn had solved the problem by designing a single appliance that fitted over Lahr's brow-ridge, nose and cheeks, enabling Dawn to insert freckles, whiskers, lion-like jowels and a cat-like nose all with one appliance. Chamber's earliest efforts began with a series of life-masks. For some reason it was felt that oriental features would best fill Chamber's requirements, and so the first actors he fitted were orientals. Over a life-mask, Chambers began to design, in clay, a single appliance much like that used by Jack Dawn.[2] Chambers was the first makeup artist to budget a feature motion picture for $1,000,000.
Even with the backing of a major studio, Chambers was absolutely determined that the ape makeup should be as perfect as it could be, using his extraordinary attention to detail to avoid the possibility of it becoming a comedy sci-fi film. "We had to invent a manner of makeup which allowed the dialogue to sound natural - and not as though it was coming from a cavern somewhere inside the ape's body. Our final concept involved our modifying the simian wrinkles so they did not appear too grotesque. It wasn't that we wanted to beautify it, but also we did not want it so grotesque that it would distract from the story." "When I sanctioned to do the first film, I had to have conditions... I felt there were areas where I had to maintain director and camera control. We had to confer if I felt the shot was not good for the makeup. If the acting or the shot, no matter how good it was, wasn't done properly for the makeup, it would have to be redone. There were very few faults in the makeup on the first one because I was on the set every day." "Before production, I was training people to [apply the makeup] in six hours, then five hours, down to three-to-three and a half. Then, I knew that anywhere from two-to-three hours, some of the makeup men would be finished, and I said, three hours for each makeup. If I saw anyone rushing, they had to curtail that. I maintained quality as much as I could in the first one. I kept an eagle-eye control."[1]
On Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Chambers had the extra task of creating the makeup of the radiation-scarred mutant humans. Director Ted Post was apparently responsible for the final makeup concept for the mutants in the film. After the studio spending thousands of dollars and several artists trying to find the right look for the mutants, Post remembered a drawing from a medical text entitled 'Gray's Anatomy', in which was printed a vivid picture of a man's head, with the top layer of epidermis removed. For some reason, he never forgot that picture and suggested the idea to Dan Striepeke and John Chambers, who said: "This was a full, soft foam-rubber head appliance, and I used silicone adhesives to blend it out. In the ape appliances, there were small pieces, a chin, a muzzle, and a forehead, and the rest was face hair and a wig. It took more time to blend the edges there, but the mutants were already made up, and the only extra makeup we used was around the eyes and mouth. So we took two hours, average, on those."[1]
Chambers was among those suspected of creating the Sasquatch in the famous Patterson/Gimlin 'Bigfoot' film from October 1967, but he denied this. The rumours seem to have originated with actor/director John Landis, who briefly appeared in Battle for the Planet of the Apes. Landis started out as a mail boy at Fox and used to visit Chambers in his lab, and he then cast Chambers in his sci-fi spoof directorial debut movie Schlock (1973). Chambers had a cameo in one scene playing a captain of the National Guard, while future 'Planet of the Apes (2001)' makeup artist Rick Baker played one of the many National Guardsmen. Baker impressed Chambers with his makeup work on that movie, where he created the ape-like 'Schlockthropus', played by Landis himself. Chambers did in fact create the 'Burbank Bigfoot' - a large plaster prop intended to imitate a real Bigfoot-like creature for showman Jerry Malone's carnival tour - from a body-cast of actor Richard Kiel while working in partnership with 'Don Post Studios' in the 1960s. He also advised showman Frank Hansen to take his 'Ice Man' concept to Howard Ball and Werner Keppler, and engineered and designed a gorilla for a wax museum in Canada during this time, all of which may have contributed to the well-known rumour. Rick Baker, a close friend of John Landis, was also known to have informed people that Chambers was responsible for the Patterson/Gimlin 'Bigfoot' but has more recently admitted he was probably mistaken. (See also: ape costume expert Janos Prohaska's opinion of the famous footage.)
Scatter, thank you for posting this information. John Chambers was an Outstanding
Makeup Designer.
Well, there you go. Good myths can never really be debunked. It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma. That's great journalistic information, Scatter. Thanks! Personally, I like the world better with some mystery still left in it anyway.
Quote from: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on August 27, 2010, 08:25:21 PM
Well, there you go. Good myths can never really be debunked. It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma. That's great journalistic information, Scatter. Thanks! Personally, I like the world better with some mystery still left in it anyway.
So do I.......
If anyone really wants to go in-depth on this, I'd recommend checking out this topic on the Bigfoot Forums: http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=07dca6f9bd16639e29d78cd1d6c19761&showforum=35 (http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=07dca6f9bd16639e29d78cd1d6c19761&showforum=35).
Sculptor/efx man Bill Munns does some very intensive analysis of the Patterson footage. It's interesting stuff, although I'm still not convinced one way or the other.
Quote from: marsattacks666 on August 27, 2010, 06:54:10 PM
What the **** is Capt. Kirk Holding?!? A (bleep)!!!!!
SERIOUSLY. Why don't I remember this episode as being known as The Giant **** episode? No wonder Kirk can go where no man has gone. BOLDLY, no less.
Bigfoot is in Hollywood now. I see him all the time in the Messing with Sasquatch Beef Jerky commercials... ;D
BK
MY SIDE ...I LOVE TO SEE AND WATCH ABOUT BIGFOOT BUT THREW OUT THE YEARS NO ONE HAS BEEN ATTACK ....OR KILLED ...OR ANY TRACE OF BIGFOOT crap WOULD HAVE TO BE A GOOD SIZE PILE..... OR ANY DEAD BIGFOOT'S FAMILY......SO TILL THEN BIGFOOT IS DEAD........ICEMAN...........
Quote from: Moonshadow on August 27, 2010, 10:43:00 PM
If anyone really wants to go in-depth on this, I'd recommend checking out this topic on the Bigfoot Forums: http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=07dca6f9bd16639e29d78cd1d6c19761&showforum=35 (http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=07dca6f9bd16639e29d78cd1d6c19761&showforum=35).
Sculptor/efx man Bill Munns does some very intensive analysis of the Patterson footage. It's interesting stuff, although I'm still not convinced one way or the other.
HMmmm....sounds of conspiracy. When I went to the link, I got "[#10333] We could not find the forum you were attempting to view. "
Scatter...thanks so much for the amazing in-depth coverage. Very intriguing to read about all of the skeletons in that closet!
Speaking of Shattner....any CSI (OS) followers reading? Am catching up on Season 9, and they did an homage to STAR TREK (OS) in terms of JJ Abrahms, gone wrong. It was fun.
Quote from: Opera Ghost on August 30, 2010, 12:00:11 PM
HMmmm....sounds of conspiracy. When I went to the link, I got "[#10333] We could not find the forum you were attempting to view. "
Apparently they just switched to a new format -http://bigfootforums.com/ (http://bigfootforums.com/)- and I can't find the old posts. I hadn't been there in over a year but those posts by Bill Munn, regarding whether "Patti" (the Bigfoot in the Patterson film) was real or fake were very well-written, scholarly pieces. Unfortunately his website references the BF Forum site! But there's still some cool stuff here: http://www.billmunnscreaturegallery.com/bmcgsite_032.htm (http://www.billmunnscreaturegallery.com/bmcgsite_032.htm)
Although I have become far more skeptical of the validity of not only the Patterson film, but the existence of Bigfoot over the years, there are still some things that bother me: like why would a couple of hoaxers go to the trouble of putting breasts on a costume?
" why would a couple of hoaxers go to the trouble of putting breasts on a costume?"
Because they were guys! ;D
I am not an expert of Bigfoot or the footage but I believe it to be a hoax. I read an article in which a number of make up experts such as Bob Berns and Rick Baker, who stated they thought it was a costume in the footage. I've seen good gorilla suits in films made in the 40's and 50's.
I would enjoy seeing the look on the scientists faces who are positive Bigfoot isn't real if real proof was discovered.
I would need to see some evidence which is more credible than what has been discovered so far. I don't believe a giant ape which has never been discovered by science lives in the woods of North America.
Quote from: judd on August 30, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
I am not an expert of Bigfoot or the footage but I believe it to be a hoax. I read an article in which a number of make up experts such as Bob Berns and Rick Baker, who stated they thought it was a costume in the footage. I've seen good gorilla suits in films made in the 40's and 50's.
I would enjoy seeing the look on the scientists faces who are positive Bigfoot isn't real if real proof was discovered.
I would need to see some evidence which is more credible than what has been discovered so far. I don't believe a giant ape which has never been discovered by science lives in the woods of North America.
What about cousin Yeti in the Himalayas?
Regarding the floppy breasts in the Patterson footage, I was told by those sources I mentioned earlier that John Chambers came up with the idea for inserting a "water bag" into the chest area of the suit. If this is true, then this wasn't done by some weekend hoaxers, but a professional and very creative small crew.
Quote from: judd on August 30, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
I am not an expert of Bigfoot or the footage but I believe it to be a hoax. I read an article in which a number of make up experts such as Bob Berns and Rick Baker, who stated they thought it was a costume in the footage. I've seen good gorilla suits in films made in the 40's and 50's.
I would enjoy seeing the look on the scientists faces who are positive Bigfoot isn't real if real proof was discovered.
I would need to see some evidence which is more credible than what has been discovered so far. I don't believe a giant ape which has never been discovered by science lives in the woods of North America.
Did you even read the other posts? like the ones..Scatter posted? C:)
Quote from: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on August 30, 2010, 05:55:33 PM
Regarding the floppy breasts in the Patterson footage, I was told by those sources I mentioned earlier that John Chambers came up with the idea for inserting a "water bag" into the chest area of the suit. If this is true, then this wasn't done by some weekend hoaxers, but a professional and very creative small crew.
Did you read what Scatter posted?? C:)
Of course I read what Scatter posted, and I believe it as much as I believe that was a real Bigfoot in the footage. It's hard to tell what the truth is. Certainly, not everyone is telling the truth with regards to the Sasquatch legend.
"Certainly, not everyone is telling the truth with regards to the Sasquatch legend."
Of course!
If they did, the legend would have gone the same way as the Loch Ness Monster!
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/display/category/loch_ness_monster/ (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/display/category/loch_ness_monster/)
Quote from: Fester on August 30, 2010, 08:32:02 PM
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/display/category/loch_ness_monster/ (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/display/category/loch_ness_monster/)
Thanks for this posting Fester
Quote from: Fester on August 30, 2010, 08:32:02 PM
"Certainly, not everyone is telling the truth with regards to the Sasquatch legend."
Of course!
If they did, the legend would have gone the same way as the Loch Ness Monster!
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/display/category/loch_ness_monster/ (http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/archive/display/category/loch_ness_monster/)
As I said before, I hope we never know for certain whether the film is real or faked. I value the whole Bigfoot phenomena much more as a very charming legend than anything else. As a kid I was certain Bigfoot existed; a few years of zoology and ecology in college had me a confirmed skeptic. Now, I'm a Bigfoot agnostic. I enjoy the stories more than worrying about their reality. Besides, if Bigfeet are real, I'm sure humans would find them eventually and screw everything up, like we usually do.
Quote from: Moonshadow on August 31, 2010, 01:02:37 PM
As I said before, I hope we never know for certain whether the film is real or faked. I value the whole Bigfoot phenomena much more as a very charming legend than anything else. As a kid I was certain Bigfoot existed; a few years of zoology and ecology in college had me a confirmed skeptic. Now, I'm a Bigfoot agnostic. I enjoy the stories more than worrying about their reality. Besides, if Bigfeet are real, I'm sure humans would find them eventually and screw everything up, like we usually do.
could you explain why that made you a skeptic?...
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on August 31, 2010, 02:21:42 PM
could you explain why that made you a skeptic?...
Sure. I was learning about animal populations and their interactions with their environment. Some of the concepts that got me thinking more critically about the existence of Bigfoot involved ideas regarding species population size and viable breeding populations. Basically, you have to have a certain minimal population size in order to preserve the species. I don't recall exact numbers (it's been 20+ years), but it seemed like if there were enough BF to keep the species going, we should be seeing more of them, or at least more signs of them. The Pacific Northwest is big, but we still see all sorts of critters there and find evidence of their existence. Why not with BF?
Also, a creature that big and muscular would have some pretty intense nutritional needs. It would likely have to be foraging/hunting/scavenging most of the time. Again, this is an activity that would have great potential to lead to contact with people or physical evidence of their existence. Yet outside of many unverifiable reports, we have no hard data.
I'm certainly no expert in this area but what little I have learned does lead me to being skeptical. However, I also think there's some room for the possibility of the creature, so I don't completely dismiss it. I just think it is very unlikely.
Quote from: Moonshadow on August 31, 2010, 04:12:21 PM
Sure. I was learning about animal populations and their interactions with their environment. Some of the concepts that got me thinking more critically about the existence of Bigfoot involved ideas regarding species population size and viable breeding populations. Basically, you have to have a certain minimal population size in order to preserve the species. I don't recall exact numbers (it's been 20+ years), but it seemed like if there were enough BF to keep the species going, we should be seeing more of them, or at least more signs of them. The Pacific Northwest is big, but we still see all sorts of critters there and find evidence of their existence. Why not with BF?
Also, a creature that big and muscular would have some pretty intense nutritional needs. It would likely have to be foraging/hunting/scavenging most of the time. Again, this is an activity that would have great potential to lead to contact with people or physical evidence of their existence. Yet outside of many unverifiable reports, we have no hard data.
I'm certainly no expert in this area but what little I have learned does lead me to being skeptical. However, I also think there's some room for the possibility of the creature, so I don't completely dismiss it. I just think it is very unlikely.
Very impressive arguments.
Wait minute. Sasquatches have 500 year life spans and they frequently hibernate deep underground for 10 years at a time. They can live for years on a couple of squirrels, some nuts and a Snickers bar, and they never have to go to the bathroom. They also procreate and evaporate instantly upon death. Their ESP allows them to control our minds like the Shadow (or Obi Wan Kenobi) so we never see them unless they're distracted by the bad smell of drunken rednecks in which case they are seen, but no one believes these hicks anyway and they can't take a focused photo to save their lives.
Quote from: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on August 31, 2010, 08:57:06 PM
Wait minute. Sasquatches have 500 year life spans and they frequently hibernate deep underground for 10 years at a time. They can live for years on a couple of squirrels, some nuts and a Snickers bar, and they never have to go to the bathroom. They also procreate and evaporate instantly upon death. Their ESP allows them to control our minds like the Shadow (or Obi Wan Kenobi) so we never see them unless they're distracted by the bad smell of drunken rednecks in which case they are seen, but no one believes these hicks anyway and they can't take a focused photo to save their lives.
You forgot the part about how they travel around on UFOs, are survivors of Atlantis and Lemuria, and have regular meetings with the Dalai Lama.
Years ago, almost another life it seems, when I sold Halloween masks and props, I worked with Phil for almost a decade and I never knew him to be dishonest. He was a very sincere and honest man. While I don't know for sure that he made the costume that was used, I do believe that he believes he did.
Moonshadow- I understand yer skepticsm...but, who knows how long these creatures stay in one place..
Like some animals, I believe these apes migrate...
As for leaving something behind...what about footprints? I dont believe all of them are faked..
Bears have plenty to eat, fish,berries, and other stuff...they dont seem to run out too often..
So why would Bigfoot?
As for dead bodies...perhaps these creatures bury the dead or even eat them?? who knows...
I have been hiking in the forest before, and I have never found a Bear skull/skeleton..yet, I am sure they are there. :)
Moonshadow, I'm with you on this. Living on the outskirts of Bigfoot Country, here in Spokanistan, I have logged some considerable time in the woods. Seen dead bears and cougars and more commonly, dead moose, elk, and deer. Never seen any Bigfoots or any traces. I have never met anyone who has. I've met plenty of people who have heard true stories from people who swear they heard it from a fellow who knows a person it might have happened to. Kind of reminds me of Carl Sagan's story from The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark :
The Dragon In My Garage
by
Carl Sagan
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!
"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.
"Where's the dragon?" you ask.
"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."
You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.
"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floates in the air."
Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.
"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."
You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.
"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."
And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.
Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.
The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility.
Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative-- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."
Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons--to say nothing about invisible ones--you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.
Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages--but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.
Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence"--no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it--is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.
Quote from: Moonshadow on August 31, 2010, 09:41:23 PM
You forgot the part about how they travel around on UFOs, are survivors of Atlantis and Lemuria, and have regular meetings with the Dalai Lama.
...and I just thought that was $6 Million dollar Man fiction!
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on August 31, 2010, 10:42:29 PM
Bears have plenty to eat, fish,berries, and other stuff...they dont seem to run out too often..
So why would Bigfoot?
I wasn't trying to imply that the BF would run out of food, just that their need to be constantly getting food would surely bring them into contact with man. I haven't followed BF stories much the last few years, but I've only heard one that mentioned seeing a Bigfoot at a dumpster. That's the kind of behavior I'd expect to hear more about - as we encroach on animals' territory, we tend to see them more often. Happens with other big omnivores, like bears, so why not BF?
Quote from: Fester on September 01, 2010, 02:03:55 AM
Moonshadow, I'm with you on this. Living on the outskirts of Bigfoot Country, here in Spokanistan, I have logged some considerable time in the woods. Seen dead bears and cougars and more commonly, dead moose, elk, and deer. Never seen any Bigfoots or any traces. I have never met anyone who has. I've met plenty of people who have heard true stories from people who swear they heard it from a fellow who knows a person it might have happened to. Kind of reminds me of Carl Sagan's story from The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark :
Fester, funny story by Sagan but does demonstrate the problems involved in the BF phenomena. Tons of people claim to see something, yet there is no hard proof. People point to species like gorillas going undiscovered for years (by Europeans, any way)-but we're talking about two very different times and places. We have much better methods, equipment, etc for investigating the existence of these creatures and yet other than some questionable videos and footprints, there's no real evidence.
Years ago I used to work in a lab developing DNA tests for forensics use. We worked closely with a lot of state and county crime labs, and there was a story circulating about a lab in Seattle where some hair had been brought in by a Bigfoot seeker and DNA tests had been performed on it. The tests were inconclusive -it wasn't human hair, although it did have some genetic similarity. But they also compared it to DNA from the great apes and there was no match. Some people started crowing that it had to be from Bigfoot. But just because it didn't match any of the standards that the lab was using didn't mean it was an unknown animal. Who knows where that hair came from? Maybe today with better tests or a wider range of species samples, they might have been able to identify it. But again, there's no direct link from that to Bigfoot's existence.
I think unless somebody brings in a BF, dead or alive, and it is examined by the scientific community, the whole thing just comes down to faith -you either believe in it or you don't.
Sometimes I still wish it was the 70s and I unquestioningly believed in Bigfoot, mothman, flying saucers, ESP, ghosts... whatever was in "in Search Of..." that week.
I think I just got fed up around the 50th anniversary or Roswell, and with the flood of "abductees." Just too many "eyewitness accounts" and not a damn bit of real physical evidence.
http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp (http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp)
hope that link works.. ;D
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on September 01, 2010, 12:24:01 PM
http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp (http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp)
hope that link works.. ;D
It does and thanks Doc. More interesting reading. Had not heard of Heironomous, or whatever his name is
I belong to a Disney fans forum and last year when the Bigfoot story about the man who claimed he had a body was making headlines came up for discussion, I told them it was most likely a hoax. It turned out to be a costume and rubber mask. I do give them credit for getting publicity from a number of news outlets.
When their story fell apart and it was revealed to be a hoax I provided a link saying the whole story had been made up. One of the girls posted, "When I told my Mom it was fake she said really bad words."
Quote from: judd on September 01, 2010, 05:41:36 PM
I belong to a Disney fans forum and last year when the Bigfoot story about the man who claimed he had a body was making headlines came up for discussion, I told them it was most likely a hoax. It turned out to be a costume and rubber mask. I do give them credit for getting publicity from a number of news outlets.
When their story fell apart and it was revealed to be a hoax I provided a link saying the whole story had been made up. One of the girls posted, "When I told my Mom it was fake she said really bad words."
Just so I'm not lost here, you are saying that their (Heronicles or WTF his name is) "Story that they were a part of the Patterson film "hoax" " was a hoax?
Quote from: Opera Ghost on September 01, 2010, 06:00:06 PM
Just so I'm not lost here, you are saying that their (Heronicles or WTF his name is) "Story that they were a part of the Patterson film "hoax" " was a hoax?
Did you just say Patterson's film is a hoax?...or that the Heironius story of a hoax of Patterson's film was a hoax?
huh? ;D
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on September 01, 2010, 06:20:05 PM
Did you just say Patterson's film is a hoax?...or that the Heironius story of a hoax of Patterson's film was a hoax?
huh? ;D
"Who's on first?"
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on September 01, 2010, 12:24:01 PM
http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp (http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp)
hope that link works.. ;D
An interesting article. I do recall seeing part of that X-Creatures show on Discovery and thought the suit they made was really not very similar at all to the Patti suit/creature. I don't think it's fair to make a modern suit in any case and try to compare it to the suit/creature in the film. If it is a suit, it appears to be very well made, and not your typical costume shop gorilla outfit. When one considers the limited suit technology of 1967, it's a pretty impressive looking critter!
Quote from: MDG on September 01, 2010, 11:49:03 AM
Sometimes I still wish it was the 70s and I unquestioningly believed in Bigfoot, mothman, flying saucers, ESP, ghosts... whatever was in "in Search Of..." that week.
Well, one consolation (in a current show) is a newer TV show like Animal Planets' RIVER MONSTERS. It features authentic, rarely seen water beasties that actually do exist- chased down, caught and shown live on the show. There are some surprisingly nasty critters that have been featured, and they actually exist (I find real-life "monsters" scarier than the made up ones, anyway).
The new SWAMP PEOPLE show (starring real life, inbred Louisiana swamp folk/ 'gator hunters) is pretty interesting, too. Some of those big alligators are pretty monsterous, and really, I'd rather run into a 10 foot Bigfoot in the swamp than a 15 foot 'gator any day of the week.
Quote from: Monster Bob on September 02, 2010, 11:46:45 AM
Well, one consolation (in a current show) is a newer TV show like Animal Planets' RIVER MONSTERS. It features authentic, rarely seen water beasties that actually do exist- chased down, caught and shown live on the show. There are some surprisingly nasty critters that have been featured, and they actually exist (I find real-life "monsters" scarier than the made up ones, anyway).
The new SWAMP PEOPLE show (starring real life, inbred Louisiana swamp folk/ 'gator hunters) is pretty interesting, too. Some of those big alligators are pretty monsterous, and really, I'd rather run into a 10 foot Bigfoot in the swamp than a 15 foot 'gator any day of the week.
I forget the show(possibly Monsterquest?), but there was a segment on monstrously large Catfish, that are caught by hand. I guess it's called "Noodlin'". Catfish that size frighten me!
Quote from: Opera Ghost on September 02, 2010, 11:54:17 AM
I forget the show(possibly Monsterquest?), but there was a segment on monstrously large Catfish, that are caught by hand. I guess it's called "Noodlin'". Catfish that size frighten me!
Unless, of course, they're lightly breaded, fried, and sitting on a plate next to some hot cocktail sauce. Then they would fear US.
Quote from: Opera Ghost on September 02, 2010, 11:54:17 AM
I forget the show(possibly Monsterquest?), but there was a segment on monstrously large Catfish, that are caught by hand. I guess it's called "Noodlin'". Catfish that size frighten me!
I like MONSTERQUEST, too. in general, they put together a pretty good hour show. Sometimes the evidence is pretty speculative and content fluffed out to fill time, but I've seen some good episodes.
My post was worded strangely. I wasn't refering to the Patterson film but the story which was released a year ago or so. A man (I think he was a police officer) said he knew where a group of Bigfoots lived and he had a dead body and a picture of the body in a large cooler. One researcher said he had seen the body for himself when in fact he hadn't. A press conference was scheduled where they would reveal their findings. This story gained much attention and was shown on a few TV news shows which normally don't cover those types of stories.
The whole story fell apart when it was revealed to be a hoax and the picture was of a costume and a rubber mask.
Whoever came up with the story did a good job of gaining publicity.
EDIT: Here is a link to the story I was talking about.
http://www.bfro.net/hoax.asp (http://www.bfro.net/hoax.asp)
We were discussing this story on the Disney forum as it was evolving. I didn't believe it and when it turned out to be a hoax I posted a link to an article stating it was a hoax. That's when ther girl replied that when she told her mother it was a hoax her mother said, "really bad words."
At the moment in the U.K they are showing a series called Ancient aliens and believe me if you needed proof that we were ever visited then this series is for you. from the beginning of time right up to the modern age it is all covered and the proof is extraordinary.
P.S I love the Bigfoot footage
Quote from: judd on September 02, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
My post was worded strangely. I wasn't refering to the Patterson film but the story which was released a year ago or so. A man (I think he was a police officer) said he knew where a group of Bigfoots lived and he had a dead body and a picture of the body in a large cooler. One researcher said he had seen the body for himself when in fact he hadn't. A press conference was scheduled where they would reveal their findings. This story gained much attention and was shown on a few TV news shows which normally don't cover those types of stories.
The whole story fell apart when it was revealed to be a hoax and the picture was of a costume and a rubber mask.
Whoever came up with the story did a good job of gaining publicity.
EDIT: Here is a link to the story I was talking about.
http://www.bfro.net/hoax.asp (http://www.bfro.net/hoax.asp)
We were discussing this story on the Disney forum as it was evolving. I didn't believe it and when it turned out to be a hoax I posted a link to an article stating it was a hoax. That's when ther girl replied that when she told her mother it was a hoax her mother said, "really bad words."
I remember that, Judd. Seemed like they dragged it out for a couple of weeks before the whole thing fell apart.
Quote from: judd on September 02, 2010, 12:55:28 PM
My post was worded strangely. I wasn't refering to the Patterson film but the story which was released a year ago or so. A man (I think he was a police officer) said he knew where a group of Bigfoots lived and he had a dead body and a picture of the body in a large cooler. One researcher said he had seen the body for himself when in fact he hadn't. A press conference was scheduled where they would reveal their findings. This story gained much attention and was shown on a few TV news shows which normally don't cover those types of stories.
The whole story fell apart when it was revealed to be a hoax and the picture was of a costume and a rubber mask.
Whoever came up with the story did a good job of gaining publicity.
EDIT: Here is a link to the story I was talking about.
http://www.bfro.net/hoax.asp (http://www.bfro.net/hoax.asp)
We were discussing this story on the Disney forum as it was evolving. I didn't believe it and when it turned out to be a hoax I posted a link to an article stating it was a hoax. That's when ther girl replied that when she told her mother it was a hoax her mother said, "really bad words."
Wasnt that in GA? with two hunters...seems like I remember it from the news...
No! Who is on First!
Wait a minute!
Maybe I just found the proof we are seeking!
(http://a.imageshack.us/img27/9022/bigfootkahuna.jpg)
He's been hangin' out in warmer climes!
Quote from: Fester on September 03, 2010, 12:26:30 AM
No! Who is on First!
Wait a minute!
Maybe I just found the proof we are seeking!
(http://a.imageshack.us/img27/9022/bigfootkahuna.jpg)
He's been hangin' out in warmer climes!
The Big Kahuna-foot!
Damn, that's awesome. I'd put that in my yard in a minute.
Quote from: Moonshadow on September 03, 2010, 10:16:47 AM
The Big Kahuna-foot!
Damn, that's awesome. I'd put that in my yard in a minute.
Girl, you ain't kiddin"!! I actually asked Nancy if she would mind having a Bigfoot in the backyard of the new house (if we ever actually get to move into it that is), and she said she'd love it!! (Ain't she cooooooool?)
I love those chainsaw sculpts.
Quote from: Scatter on September 03, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
Girl, you ain't kiddin"!! I actually asked Nancy if she would mind having a Bigfoot in the backyard of the new house (if we ever actually get to move into it that is), and she said she'd love it!! (Ain't she cooooooool?)
I love those chainsaw sculpts.
I sure wish, back when I was making camping trips up to Willow Creek and other parts of Bigfoot Country, that I would have bought one of those wooden BFs! They are so awesome; I love the handmade stuff as it is all unique. And yes, Nancy is cool!
Still not in the house? Oy!!
Quote from: Fester on September 03, 2010, 12:26:30 AM
No! Who is on First!
Wait a minute!
Maybe I just found the proof we are seeking!
(http://a.imageshack.us/img27/9022/bigfootkahuna.jpg)
He's been hangin' out in warmer climes!
WTF!!!!! Surfin' Sasquach!
I cannot rule out the existence of Bigfoot. The hair on the back of my neck stood up as I got out of my car in some areas of No. California, Oregon and Washington state as I traveled out there. One place I walked around was the locale of the Patterson film. I never saw anything personally, but I remain open minded.
Aliens? I have seen UFOs. Not saying they were aliens-------but I didn't know what they were and on 3 occasions, at least one other person corroborated my experience-----and on 1 occassion three others did so--------as we were all watching it/ them. I remain extremely open minded to say the least.
Ghosts? I have no choice but to 'believe'. With what I've experienced personally and with my wife, I would sound sillier explaining it as NOT paranormal/ ghost/ spirit encounters.
Here's a carving I encountered on my last trip to Oregon.
This was in front of a place called THE LEGEND OF BIG FOOT.
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab97/monolith_06/IMG_1130.jpg)
I have about four or five pics of different big foot carvings from various trips in California and Oregon, if I can find them I'll post 'em.
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab97/monolith_06/IMG_1129.jpg)
Man, I'd kill to have that Bigfoot guarding my backyard, standing between the pool and the waterway. Imagine riding in your boat at night past my backyard, enjoying the night air, and being confronted with THAT bad MoFo as you sailed past Castle Scatter!!
MU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Scatter on September 06, 2010, 03:56:35 PM
Man, I'd kill to have that Bigfoot guarding my backyard, standing between the pool and the waterway. Imagine riding in your boat at night past my backyard, enjoying the night air, and being confronted with THAT bad MoFo as you sailed past Castle Scatter!!
MU-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
You need a Bigfoot topiary back there.
Like one on a frame like this:
(http://www.cliftonmetalworks.com/misc_show_018_small.jpg)
Quote from: Sean on September 06, 2010, 05:51:50 PM
You need a Bigfoot topiary back there.
Like one on a frame like this:
(http://www.cliftonmetalworks.com/misc_show_018_small.jpg)
Sean I got a brown thumb.........it'll never happen, though I absolutely LOVE the idea. I wonder how hard it would be to learn to chainsaw the wooden sculpture? I mean, what's the worst that could happen, right??
Quote from: Scatter on September 06, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
Sean I got a brown thumb.........it'll never happen, though I absolutely LOVE the idea. I wonder how hard it would be to learn to chainsaw the wooden sculpture? I mean, what's the worst that could happen, right??
(http://media.outdoorsica.com/dynimages/user/1605/gallery/635/5%20-%20Copy_jpg_t565.jpg)
Seriously, Big Foot is not that big. He's really a happy medium.
I found another Bigfoot pic I took in Oregon...
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab97/monolith_06/IMG_0888-1.jpg)
This one was actually in California on the way to Oregon.There was a store called The Legend Of Bigfoot that sold Bigfoot merchandise like books and postcards,keychains and coffee mugs,etc.
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab97/monolith_06/sc03dc0b2a-1.jpg)
This one was also in front of The Legend of Bigfoot store.
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab97/monolith_06/sc03dc1669-1.jpg)
I gotta get there Monolith!!
Dr Zauis in the raw!!! For goodness sake man, cover yourself up.
Quote from: tv horror on September 09, 2010, 06:30:44 PM
Dr Zauis in the raw!!! For goodness sake man, cover yourself up.
LOL...I thought the same thing!
Quote from: Monolith on September 09, 2010, 01:36:30 PM
This one was actually in California on the way to Oregon.There was a store called The Legend Of Bigfoot that sold Bigfoot merchandise like books and postcards,keychains and coffee mugs,etc.
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab97/monolith_06/sc03dc0b2a-1.jpg)
This Bigfoot should be called
NO NECK. Ouch!
Quote from: Monolith on September 09, 2010, 01:32:21 PM
I found another Bigfoot pic I took in Oregon...
(http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab97/monolith_06/IMG_0888-1.jpg)
Is that Kenner's Chewbacca w/ flowers as an accessory? :D
Monolith, those great pictures are sure bringing back memories! I bought this mug at the Legend of Bigfoot many moons ago:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/walkie20/bigfootmugfront.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/walkie20/bigfootmugback.jpg)
I love the text on the back of the mug. Who knew that Bigfoot was a "modern day relative of Sasquatch"?!
Just wish I could find my pictures from my trips up there.
I see two wise ones in the background...Yoda and Gandolf (I know, I didnt spell his name right) ;D
Man, I gotta get me some Bigfoot stuff. I actually looked up some tutorials on chainsaw sculpting last night. I've got a huge pine tree that I want to take down from the front yard of the house, and I'd love to put that wood to a gruesome use.
"gruesome use"
That phrase linked to words like "chainsaw" and "tutorial" used in the same sentence make me a little uneasy. Just don't skimp on the safety gear.
Quote from: Scatter on September 06, 2010, 07:28:33 PM
Sean I got a brown thumb.........
You need to stop crumpling your TP and start FOLDING it. ;)
Patterson's Bigfoot exposing HIMSELF in a Walmart parking lot.....
(http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/281.jpg)
Carve THAT out of an old pine tree, Scatter!
Here's a bigfoot watch in case anybody wants one...
http://www.sasqwatchwatch.com/ (http://www.sasqwatchwatch.com/)
(http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/roadsidebigfoot2.jpg)
Quote from: Sean on September 11, 2010, 09:32:23 AM
You need to stop crumpling your TP and start FOLDING it. ;)
EWWWWWWWWWWW.....
Quote from: Sean on September 11, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
Patterson's Bigfoot exposing HIMSELF in a Walmart parking lot.....
(http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/281.jpg)
Carve THAT out of an old pine tree, Scatter!
DOUBLE EWWWWWWWWWW........
The things you see when you haven't got your gun! ;)
Quote from: Sean on September 11, 2010, 09:41:07 AM
Patterson's Bigfoot exposing HIMSELF in a Walmart parking lot.....
(http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/281.jpg)
Carve THAT out of an old pine tree, Scatter!
Yuck!!!!! NASTY, NASTY!!!! sfsrefs
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on September 11, 2010, 08:06:34 PM
(http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/roadsidebigfoot2.jpg)
Hey look..........marshmallow man. Scary.
yeh, but the face is kinda cool looking.. 8)
It reminds me a bit of the guy from "Bigfoot and Wild Boy":
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/walkie20/bigfootwildboy-bigfoot.jpg)
so I went to the site of roadsidemonsters, and here's the link...
http://www.roadsidemonster.com/ (http://www.roadsidemonster.com/)
Quote from: Moonshadow on September 12, 2010, 11:12:00 PM
It reminds me a bit of the guy from "Bigfoot and Wild Boy":
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a73/walkie20/bigfootwildboy-bigfoot.jpg)
That looks like Billy Ray Cyrus before shaving...
(http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2009/04/25/previews/Billy%20Ray%20Cyrus-SPX-029307.jpg)
Like the Bumble, Bigfoot sink in water!
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3654/cef6a86282d84a0a8238b7d.jpg)
Quote from: Fester on September 25, 2010, 01:06:05 AM
(http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3654/cef6a86282d84a0a8238b7d.jpg)
Awesome. They make great Green Gargantua costumes, too!
(http://cinefantastiqueonline.com/wp-content/uploads/war-gargantuas-1-300x225.jpg)