Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?

[Radioactive Rod Whitenack]

Wait  minute. Sasquatches have 500 year life spans and they frequently hibernate deep underground for 10 years at a time. They can live for years on a couple of squirrels, some nuts and a Snickers bar, and they never have to go to the bathroom. They also procreate and evaporate instantly upon death. Their ESP allows them to control our minds like the Shadow (or Obi Wan Kenobi) so we never see them unless they're distracted by the bad smell of drunken rednecks in which case they are seen, but no one believes these hicks anyway and they can't take a focused photo to save their lives.

[Moonshadow]

Wait  minute. Sasquatches have 500 year life spans and they frequently hibernate deep underground for 10 years at a time. They can live for years on a couple of squirrels, some nuts and a Snickers bar, and they never have to go to the bathroom. They also procreate and evaporate instantly upon death. Their ESP allows them to control our minds like the Shadow (or Obi Wan Kenobi) so we never see them unless they're distracted by the bad smell of drunken rednecks in which case they are seen, but no one believes these hicks anyway and they can't take a focused photo to save their lives.

You forgot the part about how they travel around on UFOs, are survivors of Atlantis and Lemuria, and have regular meetings with the Dalai Lama.

[Gillfan]

Years ago, almost another life it seems, when I sold Halloween masks and props, I worked with Phil for almost a decade and I never knew him to be dishonest. He was a very sincere and honest man. While I don't know for sure that he made the costume that was used, I do believe that he believes he did.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Moonshadow- I understand yer skepticsm...but, who knows how long these creatures stay in one place..
Like some animals, I believe these apes migrate...
As for leaving something behind...what about footprints? I dont believe all of them are faked..
Bears have plenty to eat, fish,berries, and other stuff...they dont seem to run out too often..
So why would Bigfoot?
As for dead bodies...perhaps these creatures bury the dead or even eat them?? who knows...
I have been hiking in the forest before, and I have never found a Bear skull/skeleton..yet, I am sure they are there. 

[Fester]

Moonshadow, I'm with you on this.  Living on the outskirts of Bigfoot Country, here in Spokanistan, I have logged some considerable time in the woods.   Seen dead bears and cougars and more commonly, dead moose, elk, and deer.   Never seen any Bigfoots or any traces. I have never met anyone who has.  I've met plenty of people who have heard true stories from people who swear they heard it from a fellow who knows a person it might have happened to.  Kind of reminds me of Carl Sagan's story from The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark :
The Dragon In My Garage
by
Carl Sagan
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle--but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floates in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick."

And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so.

The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility.

Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative-- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."

Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons--to say nothing about invisible ones--you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.

Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages--but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.

Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence"--no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it--is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.

[Opera Ghost]

You forgot the part about how they travel around on UFOs, are survivors of Atlantis and Lemuria, and have regular meetings with the Dalai Lama.

...and I just thought that was $6 Million dollar Man fiction!

[Moonshadow]

Bears have plenty to eat, fish,berries, and other stuff...they dont seem to run out too often..
So why would Bigfoot?

I wasn't trying to imply that the BF would run out of food, just that their need to be constantly getting food would surely bring them into contact with man. I haven't followed BF stories much the last few years, but I've only heard one that mentioned seeing a Bigfoot at a dumpster. That's the kind of behavior I'd expect to hear more about - as we encroach on animals' territory, we tend to see them more often. Happens with other big omnivores, like bears, so why not BF?

Moonshadow, I'm with you on this.  Living on the outskirts of Bigfoot Country, here in Spokanistan, I have logged some considerable time in the woods.   Seen dead bears and cougars and more commonly, dead moose, elk, and deer.   Never seen any Bigfoots or any traces. I have never met anyone who has.  I've met plenty of people who have heard true stories from people who swear they heard it from a fellow who knows a person it might have happened to.  Kind of reminds me of Carl Sagan's story from The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark :

Fester, funny story by Sagan but does demonstrate the problems involved in the BF phenomena. Tons of people claim to see something, yet there is no hard proof. People point to species like gorillas going undiscovered for years (by Europeans, any way)-but we're talking about two very different times and places. We have much better methods, equipment, etc for investigating the existence of these creatures and yet other than some questionable videos and footprints, there's no real evidence.

Years ago I used to work in a lab developing DNA tests for forensics use. We worked closely with a lot of state and county crime labs, and there was a story circulating about a lab in Seattle where some hair had been brought in by a Bigfoot seeker and DNA tests had been performed on it. The tests were inconclusive -it wasn't human hair, although it did have some genetic similarity. But they also compared it to DNA from the great apes and there was no match. Some people started crowing that it had to be from Bigfoot. But just because it didn't match any of the standards that the lab was using didn't mean it was an unknown animal. Who knows where that hair came from? Maybe today with better tests or a wider range of species samples, they might have been able to identify it. But again, there's no direct link from that to Bigfoot's existence.

I think unless somebody brings in a BF, dead or alive, and it is examined by the scientific community, the whole thing just comes down to faith -you either believe in it or you don't.

[MDG]

Sometimes I still wish it was the 70s and I unquestioningly believed in Bigfoot, mothman, flying saucers, ESP, ghosts... whatever was in "in Search Of..." that week.

I think I just got fed up around the 50th anniversary or Roswell, and with the flood of "abductees." Just too many "eyewitness accounts" and not a damn bit of real physical evidence.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp



hope that link works.. 

[Opera Ghost]

http://www.bfro.net/news/korff_scam.asp



hope that link works..  

It does and thanks Doc. More interesting reading. Had not heard of Heironomous, or whatever his name is

[judd]

I belong to a Disney fans forum and last year when the Bigfoot story about the man who claimed he had a body was making headlines came up for discussion, I told them it was most likely a hoax.  It turned out to be a costume and rubber mask.  I do give them credit for getting publicity from a number of news outlets.

When their story fell apart and it was revealed to be a hoax I provided a link saying the whole story had been made up.  One of the girls posted, "When I told my Mom it was fake she said really bad words."

[Opera Ghost]

I belong to a Disney fans forum and last year when the Bigfoot story about the man who claimed he had a body was making headlines came up for discussion, I told them it was most likely a hoax.  It turned out to be a costume and rubber mask.  I do give them credit for getting publicity from a number of news outlets.

When their story fell apart and it was revealed to be a hoax I provided a link saying the whole story had been made up.  One of the girls posted, "When I told my Mom it was fake she said really bad words."

Just so I'm not lost here, you are saying that their (Heronicles or WTF his name is) "Story that they were a part of the Patterson film "hoax" " was a hoax?

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Just so I'm not lost here, you are saying that their (Heronicles or WTF his name is) "Story that they were a part of the Patterson film "hoax" " was a hoax?

Did you just say Patterson's film is a hoax?...or that the Heironius story of a hoax of Patterson's film was a hoax?
huh? 

[Opera Ghost]

Did you just say Patterson's film is a hoax?...or that the Heironius story of a hoax of Patterson's film was a hoax?
huh? 

"Who's on first?"

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

"Who's on first?"

"I dunno"