The official UMA HARD music thread.

[BlackLagoon]

Nice to see fellow KISS Army soldiers!!!.....I agree about KISS ALIVE! and actually when I was a kid ALIVE II was pretty much the be all and end all for me.

Has anybody here got or heard Jigoku Retsuden? The Japanese only KISS record of the re-cordings? I got lucky and have a bootlegged version on my ipod but Im desperately trying to get an original copy from eBay.

It is AWESOME....1st of all, Eric Singer doing Black Diamond..its incredible!!! He NAILED IT!!!! Believe me I was the 1st one to give Gene and Paul the cold shoulder when Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer started dressing as Peter and Ace...but now that I've heard this, and they are honest about the direction of the band...you can bet your butt I will be their front and center for the new tour and when ..finally, this winter A NEW ALBUM writtin by Paul Stanley himself drops!!!!

Anyway, Jigoku Retsuden translates to..."Intense Transmissions From Hell"...and does not dissapoint, 1st song is Deuce and Gene's vocals, being a bit weathered and gravel throated with age..actually made this song more intense...Paul's voice is like 1976, new renditions of Love Gun, Detroit Rock City, I Was Made For Lovin You (which I hated when I was a metal purist)...they all rock...I highly recomend this CD...it goes well with drinking beer, lifting weights, upsetting your neighboors, breaking furniture and other things that we embrace as fans of hard rock and heavy metal \m/  

[Paul L]

I long time ago I saw a great Canadian import (& two RUSH) single disc KISS live albums, shoulda, coulda, wish I'd jumped on them at the time. I think the KISS CD was from the "Love Gun/Alive II period. In a few hours I'll remember the title. I always though too, that "Revenge" was possibly their best post-makeup album

[Wicked Lester]

I have been listening to NIGHTWISH alot lately, ever since I heard the song Nemo.
I own 3 cds with Tarja as the lead singer, and the new cd with the other woman singer, cant remember her name.
Nightwish is a Finnish Metal/Opera style group, for those out there who dont know who I am talking about.

I really dont care for the metal music that screams, I like to understand what is being said.

I like Nightwish also. Been into them for a few years tho I don't listen to em as much as the other stuff.
There are quite a few Goth metal bands out there that are quite good. If you like Nightwish you may want to check out Epica.
A bit mellow for me but still decent. I prefer the heavier goth that use the "Beauty and the Beast" style vocals. Beautiful female combined with Gruff almost deathlike male delivery. Tristania is IMO the best at this.

As for understanding whats being said,isn't that what lyric sheets are for? I would say my current rotation contains 25% of non English speaking bands. Primarily from the Scandanavias ,Russian , Polish , German and even Hungary. Lots of good stuff coming out of Eastern Europe these days.

[BlackLagoon]

BL
Checked out the vids. All pretty good stuff except.....C.C. Never a fan. Obviously I've heard of all of them except Repulsion. I'm not sure why you refer to them as Grindcore. I listened to it twice and both times I heard something similar to better stuff from Venom.

Wicked I know where your comming from and there are bands out there by todays standards that sound much more like "grind". Repulsion is kinda the 1st though, I mean its basically Venom, Celtic Frost and Discharge in a blender but they are credited for giving bands like Napalm Death and Carcass (the "gods of grind") their inspiration. Theres actually notes from Shane Embury of Napalm Death in the remaster of "Horrified" and Scott Karlson has appeared as a guest vocalist on a ton of current grind cds.

I guess its like Venom..they coined the term Black Metal...all these Nordic BM bands created their own sound and cause and said it was Black Metal.....When I think of Venom, it doesnt "sound" like Black Metal at all....but I guess in its own right it really is the original.

[Wicked Lester]

Wicked I know where your comming from and there are bands out there by todays standards that sound much more like "grind". Repulsion is kinda the 1st though, I mean its basically Venom, Celtic Frost and Discharge in a blender but they are credited for giving bands like Napalm Death and Carcass (the "gods of grind") their inspiration. Theres actually notes from Shane Embury of Napalm Death in the remaster of "Horrified" and Scott Karlson has appeared as a guest vocalist on a ton of current grind cds.

I guess its like Venom..they coined the term Black Metal...all these Nordic BM bands created their own sound and cause and said it was Black Metal.....When I think of Venom, it doesnt "sound" like Black Metal at all....but I guess in its own right it really is the original.

Nowadays there are so many genres and sub-genres it's crazy. Even crazier is that looking at YouTube on avg of 3-4 hrs a week you see in the comments people ripping on each other and bickering over what to classify something as.
Take Black Metal as example. That I know of there is old school-Raw and primitive-sympho-Melodic-Ambient(not really metal but still a sub-genre)-Gothic Black... am I forgetting something? And the people in the bands compared to one another are like night and day. You have the intelligent sympho keyboard rich vampire/occultists at one end and the totally evil satanic nazi's on the other.
Unless I see a cool monster mask I gotta have I am pretty tight with my $ on anything else. So I do ALOT of research and look and listen before I buy something. I've downloaded a fair amount of cool stuff free off various sites. I can deal with all kinds of lyrics but ones that I won't condone are the ultra violent/splattercore ,Racist or homophobes ,violence against women, joy of killing animals or pro Nazi.

[BlackLagoon]

I hear ya man, there was a time..maybe only like 5 years ago that every single sunday my ritual was to pick up my cousin and take a 45 minute ride down the Garden State Parkway to a place called Vintage Vinyl...which is a good old fashioned CD store run by a few guys...I met Obituary there, Slayer and Rob Halford both did a meet and greet in there and its just good times...plus they used to sell sideshow monsters...

The point Im making is that it didnt matter, I would go and in a single clip pick up Mayhem, a King Diamond bootleg, Napalm Death and The Plasmatics and it was just all good!!..Not only was it all good but it seemed the guys hanging out there were all on the same team. Now theres 50 billion sub genres and half of em are ripping off the other half....I know theres symphonic and ambient black metal, or grim and frostbittin black metal....Horror grinders like Regurgitate or politcal anti-facists like Napalm Death grinding away too.....It's just time to get back to that old school feeling it used to be...waiting for albums to come out, going to the shows, supporting friends bands etc etc.....much like here at UMA...metal is, or should be a tight knit comunity..

And Wicked I agree....I listin to a TON of stuff where the lyrics are brutal...but those said topics you talked about, Im not with them either....its one thing to touch on topics, its another thing to promote them.

Having said all that......I'll leave you guys with a song that I love to death which came after the Misfits and before solo Danzig...a horror shout out to us all! Hope you dig it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wk7YN-_GDE

[Wicked Lester]

DR T. Even tho it's in Russian you might like this. The studio version is much better but this will give you an idea of the stuff coming out of Eastern Europe. IIII LIKE it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCTKatEhaGo

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

too bad I cant hear it, 6 minutes takes 3 or so hours to buffer on my side(dial up)
My favorite KISS song is "God of Thunder".
I also forgot to mention that I like Ramstein <----hope I spelled that right.

[Toy Ranch]

I listen to all kinds of music, and metal is part of that.  As far as "nu metal" goes (as opposed to Zeppelin, Sabbath, Deep Purple, etc.) and crossover punk stuff I listen to The Accused, Amon Amarth, Anthrax, Artillery, Assassin, Bathory, D.R.I., Death Angel, Destruction, Discharge, Exodus, Exumer, Gojira, Gorgoroth, Heathen, Incubus, Kreator, Mayhem, Megadeth, Metallica, Nuclear Assault, Onslaught, Overkill, Plasmatics, Sacred Reich, Sepultura, Possessed, Slayer, Sleep, Sodom, SYL, Testament, Wehrmacht (looking at my CD collection)

There's a lot of music that is very HARD that isn't metal though.  Poison Idea is hard.  Verbal Abuse, Black Flag, some of the early Stooges stuff, Necros, Butthole Surfers, Legionaire's Disease, Kildozer, Black Flag, it goes on and on.  A lot of "classic rock" stuff is very hard. Uriah Heep, Nazareth (Love Hurts notwithstanding), AC/DC (esp Bon Scott years), you talked about Kiss (saw them on the Dressed To Kill and Destroyer tours), Nugent, some of Queen was very hard (listen to the Sheer Heart Attack LP), even Aerosmith was really hard at times.

Then there's all sorts of industrial stuff that is hard.  Some harder than metal.  Bands like Chrome, Coil, Einsterzende Neubaten, Genietorturers, Ministry, Nervous Gender, Revolting Cocks, Boyd Rice/NON, SPK, Swans, Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, Wumpscut are/were very hard.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

I like listening to Judas Priest, my favorite album is "Painkiller".
We used to listen to it during some our D&D sessions, we listened to DIO's "Magica" and a band called Amorphus as well, when we played.

I'm going to list some of my favorite band/album, and would like for to tell me what your favorite album is of the band I mentioned.
(if you even like or listen to the band that is.)

METALLICA-KILL'EM ALL OR MASTER OF PUPPETS(tie)

[Toy Ranch]

I love Priest too.  Saw 'em live a couple of times back in the day.  A buddy of mine gave me a board tape a long time ago of a live performance that is just killer.  It's live at Long Beach Arena  5-5-84.  They did a King Biscuit broadcast of the show.  Better than Priest Live album.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Judas Priest-Painkiller
Megadeth-rust in peace
Dio-Greatest Hits
Alice Cooper-Poison
Ozzy-The Ozzman cometh
Motley Crue-Shout at the devil
Black Sabbath-Black Sabbath and Black Sabbath-De-Humanizer
WASP-The Last Command
SleezeBeaze-screwed,blued, and tatooed
Trick or Treat soundtrack-music by Fastway
Queen of the Damned soundtrack

[Toy Ranch]

Judas Priest-British Steel
Megadeth-Peace Sells But Who's Buying
Dio-Don't really care for Dio but Rainbow Rising....
Alice Cooper-Killer, Love It To Death
Ozzy-Bizzard of Oz
Black Sabbath-We Sold Our Souls For Rock N Roll

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

you dont care for Dio, Ronnie James Dio, one of the greatest singers ever.
Whats wrong with you Toy?

[BaronLatos35]

Hard picks, but here they are:

Maiden: Number of the Beast
Ozzy: Diary of a Madman
Sabbath: Vol. IV
Megadeth: Peace Sells
Metallica: Master of Puppets
Mercyful Fate: Melissa
Crue: Shout at the Devil