Wolfman vs Wolfman

[long live kong]

Chaney's messing with the wrong Mexican!

[aura of foreboding]

I agree ...the only thing the new Wolfman has over the original is CGI and an ''R'' rating.

Which, in my book, gives Lon the win.

[shiverbones]

Now if Del Toro was as high as he was in Fear & Loathing, he might take Chaney...

[ICEMANN333]

 ***** A CHAINSAW IN MY HANDS AND THE NEW WOLFMAN IS MY DOGS TREATS ******  I PICK LON WIN OR LOSE......... HE'S OLD SCHOOL...........ICEMAN..........

[The Mighty Bongo]

Put a fifth of bourbon between them instead of dog bones , and DelToro is gonna look like a chihuawua with a shaved butt by the time Lon's done with him.

[darkmonkeygod]

It's the Lon Wolf Man all the way. Modern Wolfmen can die just by pulling their heads off. Pffft.

[Mr. Hyde]

The Del Toro Wolfman is all CGI and no real substance. The battle scenes look like something from a kid's video game. Anyway, this discussion will be pointless in a year or so after the remake is long forgotten.

For the people here, Wolfman 2010 will never be forgotten!   Seriously, I loved this movie and I think the CGI was used appropriately.  As Baker said, if they had CGI in the 40's they would have used it too!

And new Wolfman would wipe the floor with UPS shirt wearing Wolfman.

[Stars1100]

The Del Toro Wolfman is all CGI and no real substance. The battle scenes look like something from a kid's video game. Anyway, this discussion will be pointless in a year or so after the remake is long forgotten.

UM, I really hate to burst your bubble here, but the Del Toro Wolf Man ONLY had CGI for the actual transformation from guy to Partial wolf, such has the hand, the feet and some of the face during the full transformation when he was strapped to that chair.  but the final stage was all make-up even the hands and the feet were all make-up in the final stage, the only other CGI used was when the wolf man ran on all fours in some of the scenes, otherwise it was all Del Toro in complete Make-Up. And the final battle scene was all Del Toro and a Stunt Man on wires since Hopkins was to old to do the stunts himself, the only full CGI wolf was on Hopkins in his Transformation at the end Hokins did not want to where the heavy mak-up as he explains this an an interview, and Rick Baker is on record for stating the Mak-Up used on Del Toro as ALL make-up and prostetics and that there were only small ereas that GCI was used during the transformation, the director is on record as well as stating that there's very little CGI used on Del Toro otherwise it was all him.

Stars1100   

[Mord]

I'm sorry, but Del Toro's performance lacked the depth and compassion that made Chaney's so memorable. I simply didn't care about lawrence Talbot and that's a major problem with a film like this. The film was completely forgotten ten minutes after I saw it. The original Wolfman has haunted me since I first saw it at the age of eight. No souless cgi effects could ever replace that. BTW, I'll trade you Rick Baker, Greg Niccotero, George Lucas, and the entire ILM ranch for one Jack Pierce.

[Stars1100]

I'm sorry, but Del Toro's performance lacked the depth and compassion that made Chaney's so memorable. I simply didn't care about lawrence Talbot and that's a major problem with a film like this. The film was completely forgotten ten minutes after I saw it. The original Wolfman has haunted me since I first saw it at the age of eight. No souless cgi effects could ever replace that. BTW, I'll trade you Rick Baker, Greg Niccotero, George Lucas, and the entire ILM ranch for one Jack Pierce.

That's cool man you are entitled to your opinion not every one is going to like something, I did like this film on many levels but I would have to agree on the fact that Del Toro's portrayal was not up to speed of that of Lon Chaney He created that character and it became him his creation of the character made him a wounded soul and that showed on screen when Lon played him that's what was missing from Del Toro but overall the new version I though was done well and as I stated before Very little CGI was used.  Below are some clips from Youtube showing Baker doing the Mak-Up.

Stars1100

The Wolfman - 2010 Trailer Exclusive Footage

The Wolfman - Rick Baker Featurette   

[Universal Steve]

There is only one Wolfman. Lon Chaney Jr.  The Wolfman was his and his alone. No one will every come close to bringing the Wolfman to life. He knew how to bring out the emotions from the audience both sympathy and fright. He brought to life the legend. Let's see DelToro pull off the scene where Larry enters the church and everyone starts to turn around and stare at him and Sir John notices and turns around and sees Larry getting stared at. He couldn't come close to that emotional scene. That's the other thing, Sir John was helpful to his son. He wanted him to forget the nonsense. Not try to kill him as he killed the rest of the family in the Del Toro version.  I did not like that at all.

[Mr. Hyde]

You can't realyy top the classics, but Wolfman 2010 did address some problems the original had in story and character.  Let's be honest even the best of the Universal Horror films had some lapses in plot, but that does not detract from the overall product.  JJ and crew did not set out to re-make Wolfman note for note, why even bother?  They are two different stories dealing with two sets of different characters that follow loosely the same general story.

[Stars1100]

There is only one Wolfman. Lon Chaney Jr.  The Wolfman was his and his alone. No one will every come close to bringing the Wolfman to life. He knew how to bring out the emotions from the audience both sympathy and fright. He brought to life the legend. Let's see DelToro pull off the scene where Larry enters the church and everyone starts to turn around and stare at him and Sir John notices and turns around and sees Larry getting stared at. He couldn't come close to that emotional scene. That's the other thing, Sir John was helpful to his son. He wanted him to forget the nonsense. Not try to kill him as he killed the rest of the family in the Del Toro version.  I did not like that at all.

You'll get no arguments from me on that, Chaney was the Man and always will be the man, I grew Up with this classic as my favorite and it still remains my favorite. It was Lon's Character and it was something that He made, created on his own, as for del toro's version it was a different movie and bares a little resemblance to the original one, yes i would have liked them to make a more closer version but they did not and this is what we got it was not bad but it was not great either I liked it on many levals but the original one will always remain the best.

Face Of the Screaming Werewolf (AKA La Casa Del Terror) 1964 Youtube Tailer.
You don't get to see much but It dose show that Lon did play the wolf for the last time in a feature film, after that it was in some comedy show I think route 66.  I do have the clip of the actual transformation I will post at some point on Youtube and send the link here. This is just the trailer.

Stars1100

The Face of the Screaming Werewolf

[Opera Ghost]

This so cool. Is this film available somewhere?

[Mord]

Why bother to remake it at all? The characters were all so cold and unsympathetic that I really didn't care what happened to them. The only actor to evoke any kind of feeling was Hugo Weaving and that wasn't enough to carry the film. My objections to the special effects weren't with the process so much as the end result. We don't need the Wolfmen flying around on wires like frickin' Peter Pan. It really killed the realism for me (I felt like I was watching the Incredible Hulk). Whatever percieved faults the original films may or may not have had cannot be corrected by slick, passionless product like this. I guess some people prefer Van Helsing and the Bredan Fraser/Rock Mummy films to the Karloff ones but I think they're in the minority in the UMA (at least I hope they are). Thanks for the great clip, Stars1100.