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Chitter Chatter => General Discussion => Topic started by: Elisabeth on November 28, 2009, 02:23:09 PM

Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Elisabeth on November 28, 2009, 02:23:09 PM
First of all.  Thanks to all our Superior Officers for keeping us up and running.  "Full Marks".  I love this place.

Second of all...we have graphic artists in our group, don't we?  Why don't we design another tee shirt just for us?  A "politically correct one".  What about a black tee with UMA on it.  JUST UMA, in creepy letters that look like melting wax in Dayglow green and yellow. Possibly a few drops of blood here and there.

"UMA" belongs to us, doesn't it?  It's our word.  People who saw it would think we're probably a bunch of Goths, wouldn't they?

We could also put our phrase on the back, if we wished..."we know who we are"...

What thinkest thou?

Elisabeth ededed
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 28, 2009, 02:27:50 PM
Yeah but then Uma Thurman's people start griping...  ;)

I think it's a cool idea, Elisabeth.
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: UMA Thurman on November 28, 2009, 05:45:25 PM
QuoteYeah but then Uma Thurman's people start griping...   ;)

That's incorrect Mike, I would never let them do that, but send me some money anyways. I need leg extensions.
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 28, 2009, 11:22:56 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: CreepyJeff on November 29, 2009, 12:51:11 AM
Elisabeth - I think you have a fabulous idea!  I dig the heck out of the two-sided shirt concept.  Anyone care to post some concept pics of this?  Keep those monsterous wheels turning Elisabeth.  It's great to have you among us!

Creepy Jeff
VP of Merchandising
Director of Finance
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 29, 2009, 02:41:17 AM
I respectfully submit one (hastily sketched) idea for the front:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/sclerismockrey/fghjkl.jpg)

I know there's some character there but I don't know that Universal 'owns' the cape, fur or electrodes, do they?

And I love the simple We Know Who We Are. on the back.

One idea anyway.

Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 29, 2009, 02:51:19 AM
Mike, I think you're onto something there.  The furry "M" looks a little funny, though.  How about a bandaged one?  "M" goes with "Mummy."
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 29, 2009, 02:55:40 AM
The "We know who we are" slogan doesn't do much for me.  Has a non-sequitur quality I don't like.  Also has an "X-Files" or "Close Encounters" vibe.
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 29, 2009, 03:01:19 AM
I like the oddness of the phrase but can certainly see your point. I think even a simple Enlist or similar would be cool.

As for bandaged M's, I like that too! I just figured the Big 3 tend to be Frankie, Wolfy and Drac.

Hmmm...
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: depressedlarrytalbot on November 29, 2009, 03:18:43 AM
Trail of bandages as an underline, and some bubbles in the b/g ?
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: BaronLatos35 on November 29, 2009, 01:00:02 PM
I like it Mike C. Very cool.

Maybe the M could have pointed "legs" as in fangs for the werewolf?

I have to agree that the phrase has an X Files quality to it. Maybe a simple "established 2002" on the back?

Either way, I like the idea of our own t shirt.
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Monster Bob on November 29, 2009, 01:41:20 PM


You could always just do what you want-just don't publish it.   C:)
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Herr Vogel on November 29, 2009, 03:49:38 PM
Quote from: Elisabeth on November 28, 2009, 02:23:09 PM
First of all.  Thanks to all our Superior Officers for keeping us up and running.  "Full Marks".  I love this place.

Second of all...we have graphic artists in our group, don't we?  Why don't we design another tee shirt just for us?  A "politically correct one".  What about a black tee with UMA on it.  JUST UMA, in creepy letters that look like melting wax in Dayglow green and yellow. Possibly a few drops of blood here and there.

"UMA" belongs to us, doesn't it?  It's our word.  People who saw it would think we're probably a bunch of Goths, wouldn't they?

We could also put our phrase on the back, if we wished..."we know who we are"...

What thinkest thou?

Elisabeth

Outstanding idea, Elisabeth
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Elisabeth on November 29, 2009, 03:54:40 PM
To quote "Elisabeth"

"Thank you, Herr Vogel"...

E ededed
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 29, 2009, 04:05:37 PM
Okay, here's a sketch with Ray's neat idea for a Mummy 'M' instead of a Wolfman...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/sclerismockrey/umashirt.jpg)

I am working on a much nicer looking Wolfman 'M' though, which won't look fuzzy and weird ... I love the Mummy but I've just always felt Frank, Wolfy and Drac were the Big 3 if you only had three spaces to fill, you know?

But this looks very cool too. Maybe the back of the shirt has whatever phrase done up Wolfman style?

So many ideas, so little time. I am seeing UMA done up like Strickfadden electrical gizmos, or with gills in rippling pools... so many ideas.

Any other sketchers out there with time to draw something up?
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 29, 2009, 06:26:37 PM
I like the Mummy "M."  One look and you know exactly what it is.  The furry "M" looked like it might represent a Muppet, Wookie, furry slippers, who knows.
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Fester on November 29, 2009, 08:05:46 PM
I like both versions.

However the M for Mummy looks a tad cleaner than the M made of wolfman does.  Maybe with the fur more combed--that way it doesn't look so Fozzy Bear--Not that there is anything wrong with that.

For the back  maybe a slogan like: "In Touch With Our Inner Monsters"
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: The Spangler on November 29, 2009, 11:11:03 PM
 I really like Mike C's revised version.  I think simple white lettering on an all black shirt would reflect the black and white origins of the Uni monsters nicely, but with a slogan like-"In Glorious Black & White".  Or- "UMA...Its a Black & White Thing".
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Tom Smith Monsternut on November 29, 2009, 11:26:26 PM
B&W ..sure..Just make sure it glows in the dark :)
Tom
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 30, 2009, 12:28:44 AM
I wonder if we could do some kind of play on the phrase, "A good cast is worth repeating."
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 30, 2009, 12:29:10 AM
Or maybe we could just say, "Have a potato."
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 30, 2009, 12:33:42 AM
And with "Have a potato," we could show an illustration of someone sticking up their middle finger, but with a baked potato stuck on it.  Or maybe I could just customize my own shirt to include that.
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 30, 2009, 03:24:18 AM
Hmmm... still trying to work in the potato angle, Ray  ;) ... but for the moment, here's the less-hastily sketched version with the new Wolfman 'M':

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/sclerismockrey/umashirt2.jpg)

Even if folks still don't completely dig it, it is surely better than the original drawing. I'm really liking the Mummy too, no doubt... but this 'M' really says monster to me now.

But again, these are just my own sketches, anyone else have some drawn ideas? I'd sure love to see them!


Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 30, 2009, 04:15:54 AM
The furry "M" still doesn't do it for me.  Yes, it is better than the first try.  But I still see something off-message in it.  I think of Gossamer from Looney Tunes, or King Kong, or something other than the Wolf Man.  I think it's because the Wolf Man doesn't have a monopoly on fur.  On the "U," the right angles, stitches and electrodes say "Frankenstein."  The cape says "Dracula."  But the fur could be a number of different things.  King Kong, Bigfoot, Fozzie Bear, Gossamer, Chewbacca, and so on.  The bandages, on the other hand, are the calling card of one character – The Mummy.  Yes, the Invisible Man has bandages, but they are not falling off like that.  The fur might say "monster," but the bandages say "Mummy."
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: fmofmpls on November 30, 2009, 09:39:03 AM
What's going on in here? Potatoes and t-shirts? Huh?  

Oh, cool! Now I see. Nice idea! I like the concept a great deal! Mike C's design is certainly worth exploring. The caped letter A and flattop letter U are sweet. And I don't see anything wrong with the letter M either. It adds that extra "monster touch."

Wait a minute, could the letter M be turned into a bat? I think it definitely lends itself to that. Just a thought.

And the slogan idea on the backside of the shirt is a good one too. Me Wanty!

Salute!
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: BaronLatos35 on November 30, 2009, 10:13:07 AM
Great artwork Mike. Thanks for providing the sketches.

I like them both, but the Wolf Man M says "monster" to me. Yes, it could be a number of monsters/creatures/things and it fits with our Monster army. I can see how the mummy M is instantly recognizable as well.

Either one I would buy.
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Tom Smith Monsternut on November 30, 2009, 10:19:47 AM
What about.. " I'm a UMA Monsterkid ! " or just  Monsterkid ! as a slogan ?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2514/4146843057_50a90681f2_o.jpg)
Or

             (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2791/4147572954_28651410b6_o.jpg)

" Friends good ! " or  "We never drink wine !"  or " The way we walk is thorny ,through no fault of our own "  :)


You could do a couple of different slogans and multiple shirts ! even one in B&W with a glow in the dark UMA logo.
If you get enough pre orders that is.
I would buy one of each :)


Tom
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 30, 2009, 10:36:11 AM
Quote from: raycastile on November 30, 2009, 04:15:54 AM
The furry "M" still doesn't do it for me.  Yes, it is better than the first try.  But I still see something off-message in it.  I think of Gossamer from Looney Tunes, or King Kong, or something other than the Wolf Man.  I think it's because the Wolf Man doesn't have a monopoly on fur.  On the "U," the right angles, stitches and electrodes say "Frankenstein."  The cape says "Dracula."  But the fur could be a number of different things.  King Kong, Bigfoot, Fozzie Bear, Gossamer, Chewbacca, and so on.  The bandages, on the other hand, are the calling card of one character – The Mummy.  Yes, the Invisible Man has bandages, but they are not falling off like that.  The fur might say "monster," but the bandages say "Mummy."

Fair enough, though I would suggest that in the context of the other two letter characters it's obvious what it's supposed to be. Of course I am the guy who drew it so "obvious" to me may not be saying much.

But again, I like the Mummy 'M'.

If we can settle on a slogan for the back, I'd love to try a Wolfman treatment for that, and get 'em both in there. I like the 'monsterkid' idea from Tom, so in lieu of anything else right now, I can work with that.

Then again, I'd love to see other ideas and sketches... this entire approach isn't exactly what Elisabeth initially suggested and may be utter crap for all I know. Without more images to bounce off each other, we're missing good input.

Could this part of the thread be turned into its own thread to get more attention from some of the artists on board?



Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 30, 2009, 10:52:31 AM
I like the 'Friends Good', Tom! And the color, thank you!
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Elisabeth on November 30, 2009, 11:08:53 AM
I vote for "Friends...Good"
Elisabeth ededed
Title: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: fmofmpls on November 30, 2009, 12:35:37 PM
"Friends good" is very good! I like that!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: fmofmpls on November 30, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: mike c on November 30, 2009, 10:36:11 AM
Could this part of the thread be turned into its own thread to get more attention from some of the artists on board?

Done. And thank you Mike C.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on November 30, 2009, 02:21:49 PM
Excellent, thank you General.

I'm really liking that phrase and I think it ought to be just writing (none of my monsterizing). Not even in quotes, just find a nice font and tag it Friends... good!. Simple and clean, and exactly (in my opinion) what the UMA is about.

The front is still up for grabs, though, and should be; maybe there's a drippy glow letter one like Elisabeth first suggested. I like Tom's color ideas too.

Bring 'em on!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: BlackLagoon on November 30, 2009, 02:32:16 PM
Love all the artwork and input...what  if you had the UMA on the front and  how about something like this on the back...

"Marching For Monsters Since...."



exactly when did this beast come to life?
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Elisabeth on November 30, 2009, 02:48:05 PM
To me..., i think of two specific dates:  1...  The first date of shooting in 1931 of the original FRANKENSTEIN, and/or the date of the first issue of FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND.

Elisabeth ededed
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: BaronLatos35 on November 30, 2009, 03:00:52 PM
I like the Friends...Good line.

Like Mike C said, its what the UMA is all about.


Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Bogey on November 30, 2009, 09:43:44 PM
Quote from: BaronLatos35 on November 30, 2009, 03:00:52 PM
I like the Friends...Good line.

Like Mike C said, its what the UMA is all about.




Hear!  Hear!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: toysoldierman2001 on November 30, 2009, 09:52:46 PM
Instead of useing the name Universal Monster Army on the back we could use United Monsters Association? Its just an idea what do the rest of you think about it?
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: BlackLagoon on November 30, 2009, 10:11:38 PM
I just want a Mondo Trasho t-shirt

(I'm also being a wise a$$)  ;D
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Tom Smith Monsternut on November 30, 2009, 10:12:17 PM
The UMA will always be Army no need to change that in my opinion. C:)
Tom
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 30, 2009, 10:56:17 PM
Quote from: toysoldierman2001 on November 30, 2009, 09:52:46 PM
Instead of useing the name Universal Monster Army on the back we could use United Monsters Association? Its just an idea what do the rest of you think about it?


I thought we were going to just say "UMA" on this shirt and leave it at that.  Not spell it out at all.  That should take care of any IP concerns.

I like "Friends...good," but it is a little too sentimental for my cold-hearted tastes.  But it works.  I can go with it.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: coughcool on November 30, 2009, 10:59:15 PM
The updated logo's look great. We have some very talented board members

I not sure if this has been explored . But the old UMA shirt's if you can't sell them can you give them away for a donation or a free will offering ? Or do you have to destroy them. Just wondering. If this has be brought up before I apologize.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on November 30, 2009, 11:05:49 PM
The updated logo's look great. We have some very talented board members

I not sure if this has been explored . But the old UMA shirt's if you can't sell them can you give them away for a donation or a free will offering ? Or do you have to destroy them. Just wondering. If this has be brought up before I apologize.  

     COMPLETELY hypothetical thinking here... but I know somebody who would gladly take a free
T-shirt.  This same character, in a completely unrelated act is likely to make a donation to a worthy cause.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on November 30, 2009, 11:15:11 PM
Quote from: coughcool on November 30, 2009, 10:59:15 PM
The updated logo's look great. We have some very talented board members

I not sure if this has been explored . But the old UMA shirt's if you can't sell them can you give them away for a donation or a free will offering ? Or do you have to destroy them. Just wondering. If this has be brought up before I apologize.


We're not supposed to discuss the details of the agreement.  But the answer to whether we can give them away is...NO.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: coughcool on November 30, 2009, 11:28:30 PM
Quote from: raycastile on November 30, 2009, 11:15:11 PM

We're not supposed to discuss the details of the agreement.  But the answer to whether we can give them away is...NO.


Sorry I meant well.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 01, 2009, 12:59:56 AM
I've loving the new T-shirt design ideas.  I'm absolutely in to purchase whatever gets produced.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: fmofmpls on December 01, 2009, 08:33:11 AM
Quote from: coughcool on November 30, 2009, 11:28:30 PM
Sorry I meant well.

No harm done Fritz. And yes, we certainly know you meant well too. It's just as Raymond has already stated, we can barely discuss the previous t-shirt without placing ourselves at harms reach. That was a chapter in UMA history that's buried 6' deep - much like a blood-sucking vampire with a stake through its heart and a "do not disturb" sign hanging from it's neck.  ;)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: michblk on December 01, 2009, 09:23:56 AM
I hope this isn't a stupid question, but should I quit wearing mine at conventions and stuff?  Not sure if it would bring unwanted attention to the group.

BK
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: CreepyJeff on December 01, 2009, 02:16:18 PM
Hey Brian - any previously purchased (and in your possession) may and should be worn with pride.  The cease and desist dealt with future sales and the unsold shirts.  For the record, all of the unsold shirts have been destroyed by yours truly.  

On a happier topic, KEEP THE UMA SHIRT DESIGNS COMING.  I think we're all digging the UMA letters on the front and Friends...good on the back.  But I would love to see more artistic renditions of the letters UMA.  In the near future, we can have a pool of designs as "finalists" and then take a vote on the most popular.  
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 01, 2009, 08:26:49 PM
Quote from: CreepyJeff on December 01, 2009, 02:16:18 PM
KEEP THE UMA SHIRT DESIGNS COMING.  I think we're all digging the UMA letters on the front and Friends...good on the back.  But I would love to see more artistic renditions of the letters UMA.  In the near future, we can have a pool of designs as "finalists" and then take a vote on the most popular.  

    I'm just brain storming, so forgive me if my ideas aren't complete... but I'm just going to throw out some ideas and maybe 1 of them works for somebody... or maybe 1 of them in turn triggers somebody else to come up with the mother of ideas...

    I was looking at bat pictures/ images.  They come in all sorts of shapes, depending on the angle and the position of the wings, etc.....  Some of them could form the letters U, M and A.

    I was also looking at the American Sign Language finger-spelling alphabet...  you could use the finger spelling hand signs for the letters U, M and A.  The hands could be MONSTER hands, e.g., Frankenstein's Monster's hand signing the letter 'A'... and the Wolfman with 'M' and Dracula or the Mummy or the Creature with 'U'.

    I also thought of stacking the letters U, M and A in a VERTICAL line, and make them form Frankenstein's Monster-------the U would look like Mike C.'s 'U' with flatop hair and bolts and scars (it would be the head)... the M could be the torso, and if modified correctly would serve as a chest and arms (you could add little green hands at the bottoms of the 'arms')... and the A would be the legs with boots added to the bottoms of the 'legs'.

   Then you could splash 'It's ALIVE!' next to the letter-made monster on the front and put the 'Friends... Good' quote on the back.

    Please, anyone, feel free to do sketches and run with any of these ideas.  Mike C. has done an excellent job illustrating thus far.  I'd be honored if he (or anyone) took a crack at doing a rough draft of any of these ideas.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on December 01, 2009, 09:52:21 PM
Sean, I like the idea of a vertical UMA resembling a Frankenstein caricature.  So long as it was very abstract, no eyes, nose or mouth.  Just stylized letters giving the impression of a standing figure.  It might be something that seems better in the mind's eye than in reality, but I'd like to see someone with design skills give it a try.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on December 01, 2009, 10:44:23 PM
I have always been wary of vertical text on clothing unless it's on a sleeve or something (design classes are always finding logo ID problems with it), but I really like the Frankenstein UMA idea, Sean, very nice image. I'll do some sketching on it a bit later... this is why I love input and brainstorming, so many cool ideas!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Bogey on December 01, 2009, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: Sean on December 01, 2009, 08:26:49 PM

    I was also looking at the American Sign Language finger-spelling alphabet...  you could use the finger spelling hand signs for the letters U, M and A.  The hands could be MONSTER hands, e.g., Frankenstein's Monster's hand signing the letter 'A'... and the Wolfman with 'M' and Dracula or the Mummy or the Creature with 'U'.


This might be kind of cool using the old Don Post Frankie hands, or are those off limits as well?
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Fester on December 02, 2009, 12:36:26 AM
Many years ago, on a planet far away, I left home with a BA degree.  Eventually I ended up in Gradual School, where I gradually realized I had too much school.  That place was Washington State University--mascot: the Cougar. 
In the 1930s, a student devised a logo utilizing a Cougar made of W, S, C.  When it became a university in 1950 the college rotated one of the letters to make a U.
This is their current logo:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2712/4152408392_da8a26d5d8_o.png)

Maybe someone can make a monster out of UMA.
I'd try, but all I can draw is flies!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on December 02, 2009, 03:55:26 AM
I keep wondering if we really want to put any catch phrases from a Universal film on these shirts.  You wouldn't think we could get in trouble over "Friend...good," but who knows.  I wouldn't put anything passed the Universal lawyers.  I don't want to give them any ammunition to hit us again.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: monsterphile on December 02, 2009, 06:31:30 AM
I made a homemade shirt before, although I used the wrong type of iron-on paper, so it didn't turn out quite right.  Apparently, there's a different one for dark shirts.  Anyway, I used a lower case text, something old-fashioned.  I think it was called Diploma maybe.  It said "got monsters" like the "got milk" ad campaign.  Just throwing in another idea.  I sometimes wear it when I go to yard sales.  Comes in handy when they ask what kind of stuff I'm looking for.  Sadly, they never seem to have much though...
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 02, 2009, 09:00:35 AM
Here's a bat shape that could easily be modified for the letter 'M'


(http://thm-a02.yimg.com/image/63c2f2ca4ab2b340)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 02, 2009, 09:11:48 AM
Modify this image and you have your letter 'A'



(http://thm-a03.yimg.com/image/aa26a1d25f72c6e2)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 02, 2009, 09:14:48 AM
Modify these bat shapes and you could have the letters 'U', 'M', 'A'


(http://thm-a03.yimg.com/image/aca3b54c09fdeba4)  (http://thm-a02.yimg.com/image/63c2f2ca4ab2b340)  (http://thm-a03.yimg.com/image/aa26a1d25f72c6e2)  
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 02, 2009, 09:30:58 AM
Quote from: mike c on December 01, 2009, 10:44:23 PM
I have always been wary of vertical text on clothing unless it's on a sleeve or something (design classes are always finding logo ID problems with it), but I really like the Frankenstein UMA idea, Sean, very nice image. I'll do some sketching on it a bit later... this is why I love input and brainstorming, so many cool ideas!


    Oh, that's GREAT, Mike.  I'd love to see your creation of this!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on December 02, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
Well, hate to say it Sean, but after spending a fairly silly amount of time on it I am thinking that either this is one of those ideas that sounds good but is impractical on paper, or I simply haven't the talent to make it look right.

Drawing and erasing and on and on, there is no way I can think of to make a vertical UMA look like Frankenstein's Monster without either screwing up the letters to the point of unreadability, or adding so much detail to make it look like a monster that we're back in the same old legal boat.

I don't have any pics to show because I never saved the attempts, they were that rough. If someone else would like to try it, please do. As I say, it might just as well be my own skill that's the issue.


Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: ARTMAN666 on December 03, 2009, 08:39:15 AM
Just thought i would add my 2 cents to this, i had a few minutes before i started work today and came up with these, very simple but i was going for a more classy elegant look, although i really do like whats already been suggested, the more ideas the better(http://ny-image0.etsy.com//il_fullxfull.107157852.jpg)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 03, 2009, 08:49:30 AM
Quote from: mike c on December 02, 2009, 11:00:13 AM
I don't have any pics to show because I never saved the attempts, they were that rough. If someone else would like to try it, please do. As I say, it might just as well be my own skill that's the issue.

  That's too bad.  I've seen some of your work, Mike---so I doubt it's your skill that's the problem.  Maybe it's one of those fun ideas that just cannot be applied to our satisfaction, like has been intimated already-------but PLEASE, if someone else wants to give it a go, have at it!  I just appreciate being part of the process here for a common goal.  I am grateful that you gave it your best, Mike and honored for your consideration.  We'll keep plugging away as a group and we'll hit gold, I'm sure.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 03, 2009, 08:59:08 AM
Quote from: ARTMAN666 on December 03, 2009, 08:39:15 AM
Just thought i would add my 2 cents to this, i had a few minutes before i started work today and came up with these, very simple but i was going for a more classy elegant look, although i really do like whats already been suggested, the more ideas the better(http://ny-image0.etsy.com//il_fullxfull.107157852.jpg)

That's some cool stuff, Artman... I don't know if the bosses can allow us to have the WORD 'Universal' as part of the design, though.  Maybe they can comment on this.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on December 03, 2009, 09:31:42 AM
Very clean, nice looks Artman, but as Sean said, we can't have the word Universal anywhere on the shirt. I like the batwing one best!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: ARTMAN666 on December 03, 2009, 10:11:35 AM
Does that mean that nobody else can ever use the word "universal" for anything. but of course we can remove that
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Herr Vogel on December 03, 2009, 11:01:19 AM
I love the "bat wings" design.  How about that without Universal Monster Army?
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Tom Smith Monsternut on December 03, 2009, 11:53:44 AM
WE can always change the name of the group to United Monster Army ? >:D
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: kklloo on December 03, 2009, 11:59:47 AM
   Love the design with the bat wings. Truly awesome! Also love the previous design as mentioned before by Mike C, especially the one with the bandages on the M.
   I do not think Universal owns the Word Universal but if you pair it up with Monster there may be an issue and they can make a case out of it.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on December 03, 2009, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: ARTMAN666 on December 03, 2009, 10:11:35 AM
Does that mean that nobody else can ever use the word "universal" for anything. but of course we can remove that

The UMA can't use Universal Monsters on t-shirts to sell. Per lawyers from Universal. Hence the simpler design thread begun by Elisabeth.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: fmofmpls on December 03, 2009, 12:27:44 PM
Wow! That bat design is nice and very elegant - and still foreboding!  :o

Me Wanty! Well done Artman (Mike H. I believe?) !!!!!



Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: CreepyJeff on December 03, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
Kickass efforts, everyone!  Artmann666 - thank you for the submissions!  I too really dig that UMA with the bat wings!

One comment about concerns over copyright infringement and any new t-shirt design concept we agree on.  If the design is not UNANIMOUSLY considered safe and non-infringing, we plan on getting a blessing and approval from the Universal Studios lawyers. 

We have been allowed to continue our existence as Universal Monster Army including our website so it would be a shame not to be able to feature our website link or group name on the shirts. 

But like Mike pointed out, sales of shirts (even as a non-profit fund raising concept) featuring the words Universal and Monster will likely not be allowed (without of course securing a formal license). 

I just want to encourage one and all to keep up the great ideas and aside from obvious images, use your imagination and have fun with this!  The moderators and admins at the UMA will handle any of the legal concerns.  Thanks!

Creepy Jeff

Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Elisabeth on December 03, 2009, 03:13:57 PM
Something I was thinking of...  We probably shouldn't use anything that might be construed as a "quote" from a movie...but what if we removed
the quote marks and reversed the words?

aka:  Good....Friend!

what thinkest thou?
Elisabeth ededed
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Tom Smith Monsternut on December 03, 2009, 04:01:04 PM
How about  UMA " 2264 Monsters and growing ! " :P
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2613/4155744109_24717c3821_o.jpg)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: toysoldierman2001 on December 03, 2009, 04:26:08 PM
How about useing the words United Monsters Association? on the shirts?
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: kklloo on December 03, 2009, 04:30:17 PM
   How about " The UMA Salute!"
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Tom Smith Monsternut on December 03, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
United Monsters Association ? It sounds like a seniors group  ::)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Paul L on December 03, 2009, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: Tom Smith Monsternut on December 03, 2009, 11:53:44 AM
WE can always change the name of the group to United Monster Army ? >:D
I like this, or simply The Monster Army.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: fmofmpls on December 03, 2009, 05:10:48 PM
The idea of changing the group name to "United Monster Army" is one I'm only willing to consider in case of a complete nuclear meltdown. In other words, should we ever find ourselves in an unfortunate legal situation regarding our actual name (not t-shirts), it would be at that time, and only at that time, that such a back-up plan would be implemented. I would not be willing to use the United name just for the sake of a shirt.

And for the record, the "United Monster Army" domain name was one I that secured a while back in the event of a legal confrontation regarding our name. Universal or United - The UMA shall never die!  ;)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: BlackLagoon on December 03, 2009, 05:17:19 PM
Fantastical artwork ARTMAN...the batwings are the way to go!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: fmofmpls on December 03, 2009, 05:20:38 PM
Quote from: CreepyJeff on December 03, 2009, 02:43:52 PM
But like Mike pointed out, sales of shirts (even as a non-profit fund raising concept) featuring the words Universal and Monster will likely not be allowed (without of course securing a formal license). 

Not so sure about that Jeff. Don't get me wrong, I see the reason for such a concern, but the legal troubles we found ourselves in was a result of the images used on our last shirt. The name itself was never even mentioned as an infringement.

At this point, I'm still leaning towards Artmann's Bat logo design (with the group name) and the slogan "friends good" on the back. All which still may require approval pending production?

Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 03, 2009, 07:07:03 PM
How about a catchy slogan like:  'U.M.A.'.... Howling at the Moon and Rescuing Cats Since 2002! ;D
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 03, 2009, 07:08:42 PM
How about:  'U.M.A.------Restraining Ourselves From Eating Your Children Since 2002!!'  ;D ;D ;D ::)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on December 03, 2009, 10:29:21 PM
The bat logo is pretty cool.  It's also very serious.  I lean more toward the whimsical design of the letters looking like monsters.  But I could go for the bat logo.

I'd rather just use the acronym UMA on the shirt instead of the entire name.  Though I don't think it is as big a deal on the bat design, since there is nothing there that even remotely resembles a Universal character.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Unknown Primate on December 04, 2009, 12:17:08 AM
Got out my Sharpies & did another take on Mike C's design.  Just another idea.
(http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo79/TheUnknownPrimate/Picture348.jpg)
(http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo79/TheUnknownPrimate/Picture350.jpg)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on December 04, 2009, 01:54:10 AM
I like it, Primate.  The cape could be bigger or wider, and I'd prefer a red lining.

The Wolf Man image on the back could be problematic.  It's obviously the Universal Wolf Man.  Even though it's a silhouette, I think it's pushing it.  We need to play it safe.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 04, 2009, 08:19:47 AM
I think it's awesome.  I don't disagree with Ray's tweeks---but it's awesome.  You must be exhausted from killing that deer in San Antonio, and still you produce work like THIS? ;D

It's going to be hard for me to favor a design over this one (compliments to Mike C. as well for it).

But PLEASE... keep the design ideas coming!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: ARTMAN666 on December 04, 2009, 09:37:17 AM
Thanks for the positive feedback everyone, here are a few edits on the batwing design(http://ny-image3.etsy.com//il_430xN.107435247.jpg)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: ARTMAN666 on December 04, 2009, 09:43:15 AM
Hey Unknown Primate, i do like what you did with the concept, looks cool
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Tom Smith Monsternut on December 04, 2009, 12:46:15 PM
I really like the last red version !
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Unknown Primate on December 04, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
My wife thought the cape I drew looked like a weird hairstyle, LOL!  It's definitely not as good as Mike C's.  I originally was going to go with red lining, and that probably would look better anyway.  ARTMAN's concepts are awesome, though.  I've done 30 or 40 t-shirt designs, mostly for weightlifting/powerlifting gyms and my stuff is always very cartoonish.  ARTMAN's design is really cool, powerful & foreboding.  Awhile back, I drew up a UMA logo (just for fun) with a Harley-Davidson shield & bar vibe.  Talk about licensing violations!

Either way, I love the different takes.  Keep 'em coming, guys & gals!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: mike c on December 04, 2009, 05:15:40 PM
Outstanding U.P., love the look. It's getting hard to choose now for me, hahaha! Artman's red font UMA logo looks a bit Aurora-ish, which I find very cool too...

If I may enter my two bits here, I would suggest that the letters UMA do not need and shouldn't really have any text below them. No matter how the letters are dressed up or styled, batwings or not, etc., I think it's very clean and cool to only have them[/i], and no other writing on the front.

Just my opinion.

I'm loving the ideas.

Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: The Creeper on December 04, 2009, 05:16:37 PM
The designs are great fellas!  I don't know which one I like the most!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: CreepyJeff on December 05, 2009, 01:37:53 PM
Taking Mike C's concept and turning the letters vertically as the UMA monster. (This is pretty crappy as I don't have the talent that most of you all have but you get the concept.  Obviously we wouldn't feature Dr. Pretorius nor Dr.  Frankenstein but rather a couple of similar characters.  And I thought for the saying on the back perhaps:  Crazy are we?
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2605/4160927878_b44a5cf1dd_o.jpg)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 05, 2009, 01:48:24 PM
Jeff, whether or not anybody likes it----I just want to say thanks for putting it together visually for us.  I described it---and Mike C. spent some time trying to apply it, but didn't like what he saw to the point where he didn't save any of his work.... I really appreciate the effort----you took the elements I described and applied them so at least we could see it.

I really like the 2 gentlemen you selected to 'pitch' the idea;  Universal's own version of Larry Tate and Darren Stevens  ;D

You did a fine job---everything I could have asked for.

Thank you again, Jeff.... and also Mike C. again for taking a whack at this initially.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on December 05, 2009, 02:20:33 PM
I think Jeff's design shows that it is a viable idea.  I think we should further pursue the vertical figure design until we arrive at a "finished" version.  Then we can judge its merit against the other ideas on the table.

I like the serious, gothic bat design.  But I also like the funny ones.  I like the idea of not taking ourselves too seriously.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Unknown Primate on December 05, 2009, 06:55:50 PM
Yet another hidden talent from the amazing CreepyJeff!  Very cool, guys!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 05, 2009, 07:01:46 PM
Quote from: raycastile on December 05, 2009, 02:20:33 PM
I think Jeff's design shows that it is a viable idea.  I think we should further pursue the vertical figure design until we arrive at a "finished" version.  Then we can judge its merit against the other ideas on the table.

I like the serious, gothic bat design.  But I also like the funny ones.  I like the idea of not taking ourselves too seriously.

    I agree with Ray to further pursue the vertical design... as well as producing more ideas.  The more the better. 
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: MrTinkertrain on December 07, 2009, 05:23:43 AM
Here are my two contributions


(http://s994.photobucket.com/albums/af61/Mr_Tinkertrain_/UMABat1.jpg)


(http://s994.photobucket.com/albums/af61/Mr_Tinkertrain_/UMABat2.jpg)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Fester on December 07, 2009, 12:09:53 PM
Not bad.

I like the images . . .

But do we really want to run the risk of a letter from Lions Gate's lawyers?
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on December 07, 2009, 01:20:32 PM
The "Gods and Monsters" line sounds cool when Ernest Thesiger or Ian McKellen say it, but it sounds kind of pretentious when anybody else says it.  I'm not enthusiastic about using that line.

The bloody wings kind of remind me of Monsters HD.  I prefer the wings alone over the version with the head.

The bloody wings makes it a little more accessible to a wider horror audience, but it also makes it seem very vampire-focused.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: CreepyJeff on December 07, 2009, 02:21:32 PM
How about a line:  "FOR THE LOVE OF MONSTERS"
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Unknown Primate on December 07, 2009, 08:12:08 PM
* JUST FOR FUN *   With apologies for the likenesses that are supposed to be our General & CreepyJeff, which I did hastily (and from memory!).  Plus, the pic is a little fuzzy.  Oh well, hope you get a kick out of it.  BTW, MrTinkertrain, great job!
(http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo79/TheUnknownPrimate/Picture520.jpg)
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: CreepyJeff on December 07, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
That is WONDERFUL, U.P.!!!!  In fact, the scientist on the left is a dead ringer for Terry Ingram and the one on the right sans the glasses and about six inches could be Coffin Ray!  Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on December 07, 2009, 10:33:46 PM
Jeff, you know the one on the right is supposed to be you, right?  I think the picture is adorable.  The UMA looks alive and the likenesses of Terry and Jeff are excellent.  They capture their personality.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: BaronLatos35 on December 07, 2009, 11:18:24 PM
Hey UP, I like it. Very cool.

We have some great artists in our Army. Thanks to everyone for posting their ideas.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: CreepyJeff on December 08, 2009, 01:21:23 AM
Quote from: raycastile on December 07, 2009, 10:33:46 PM
Jeff, you know the one on the right is supposed to be you, right?  I think the picture is adorable.  The UMA looks alive and the likenesses of Terry and Jeff are excellent.  They capture their personality.
Well I'm a dope!  I zipped right past U.P.'s description and dove right into the artwork!  I'm touched and flattered to be included in your design, U.P.! 
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 08, 2009, 01:59:21 AM
There is depth to the monster and yet the integrity of the letters 'U.M.A.' is intact.

Maybe the guy on the left could be holding a TAB? ;D

In all seriousness, great job building upon what is already a collaborative effort for this particular design.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: ARTMAN666 on December 09, 2009, 10:52:54 AM
it all looks great to me, great job everyone, i really like the bat wings but without the head, very cool
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: fmofmpls on December 12, 2009, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: Unknown Primate on December 07, 2009, 08:12:08 PM
* JUST FOR FUN *   With apologies for the likenesses that are supposed to be our General & CreepyJeff, which I did hastily (and from memory!).  Plus, the pic is a little fuzzy.  Oh well, hope you get a kick out of it.  BTW, MrTinkertrain, great job!
(http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo79/TheUnknownPrimate/Picture520.jpg)

I love it! Hilarious and well done too! Thanks Unknown Primate!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: horrorfreak100 on December 13, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
so any news on which design won? lol the sooner the better so i can buy and wear the shirt lol. great job everyone, all the designs looks absoultley phenomina!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: raycastile on December 13, 2009, 07:49:59 PM
We're still soliciting for ideas.  Spread the word and keep them coming.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 13, 2009, 09:44:58 PM
Quote from: horrorfreak100 on December 13, 2009, 04:59:30 PM
so any news on which design won? lol the sooner the better so i can buy and wear the shirt lol. great job everyone, all the designs looks absoultley phenomina!

    I know I'm getting myself a few no matter what we decide to do.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Gene_Shaw on December 17, 2009, 04:14:50 PM
Absolutely brilliant designs, everyone!

Would anyone mind if I took a swing at designing one or two?
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Herr Vogel on December 17, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
Go for it, Gene.  I can't wait to see what you come up with.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: monsterphile on December 17, 2009, 06:34:26 PM
Quote from: Gene_Shaw on December 17, 2009, 04:14:50 PM
Absolutely brilliant designs, everyone!

Would anyone mind if I took a swing at designing one or two?

Everyone is welcome to come up with ideas.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Gene_Shaw on December 17, 2009, 06:45:42 PM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2dhsa35.png)

Still pretty rough, but I'd like to hear some opinions on it.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Sean on December 17, 2009, 10:30:12 PM
Love the big paws/ claws and I always love a full moon.  Good elements.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Unknown Primate on December 18, 2009, 12:38:35 AM
Hey Gene, I like it!  Cool concept & great artwork!
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Herr Vogel on December 18, 2009, 01:47:34 AM
Very cool, Gene.
Title: Re: UMA Logo Concept Design
Post by: Gene_Shaw on December 18, 2009, 04:13:49 PM
Thanks everyone. (:
Here are some color variations. (Sorry it's huge)

(http://i49.tinypic.com/vq62s4.png)