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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2022, 11:50:34 AM »
Or the most likely scensrio.  Early repops like this set on ebay.   

https://www.ebay.com/itm/295285338972?hash=item44c060b35c:g:kYAAAOSw6~JjTxqF&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoPm0ntLEob8i7dN9tv70Qv2ddFlQAYN3jI%2FCYBjIiBn69Afzf0hdmmEMi4rzrr2CPHoz2l%2B6CxccoXzGzNRN7jAoF2RP1bnBb9JdKVO59UCg0JH9lxkm9iDd%2FTymxWeJ98c%2BAU80RneDCKP0ffu0xEEDnq9pDeJPsygb1duJYK9Wz7mUCmY47E65GmSpbekkeIzzg%2FEc2OO6MXS%2BeEL3LlE%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR8L9xNH9YA

Interesting! That would mean that the seller's description was a flagrant lie:

Quote from: tad24debi
Item specifics

Condition:   
Used: An item that has been used previously. See the seller’s listing for full details and ... Read moreabout the condition   
Brand:   
Louis Marx & co.
Year:   
1963   

Custom Bundle:   
No
Theme:   
Universal Monsters   
Country/Region of Manufacture:   
United States

Modified Item:   
No

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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2022, 11:59:13 AM »
Interesting! That would mean that the seller's description was a flagrant lie:

Or, that he (like many sellers) was fooled by the 1963 date on the bottom.
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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2022, 05:49:36 PM »
Or, that he (like many sellers) was fooled by the 1963 date on the bottom.

This. ☝️

Almost every listing for date stamped  Marx figures claims "vintage 1963""
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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2022, 11:01:38 PM »
I don't readily let retailers off the hook for the "ignorance" excuse. It's too easy to claim.

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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2022, 03:21:00 AM »
I don't readily let retailers off the hook for the "ignorance" excuse. It's too easy to claim.

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The same could be said about longtime collectors that  pass  stuff off as something its not......😉
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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2022, 12:39:07 PM »
Not entirely. I'm inclined to give long-time collectors more of a pass on errors because they truly love their stuff and aren't merely out to flip "product" at a profit.

And if that's a shot at someone else, you can take your attitude and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine.

Here I've been assessing the evidence presented by forum members with an open mind and as neutrally as I can. You however seem determined to scoff at any indication that Marx may have for whatever reason ever produced the figures in more than the (teal) blue and Popsicle orange colours. All evidence should be assessed objectively. And the testimony of long term collectors and posters on this board has much more credibility than that of unknown eBay sellers.

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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2022, 02:37:59 PM »
I would not soley go by the info in threads here.        Most of the old time and current hardcore collecors dont frequent this board anymore.   Most are on FB now.  In fact most have not even visted here in years bevause folks would constantly doubt them and fill threads with pointless conjectures.   
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The agreed upon consensus.is Orange and Teal whenever discussions are had elsewhere online (Facebook groups etc...)  in recent times and with the most up to date findings from longtime collectors who focus on marx figures.

Thats why I scoff. 


My comment was a general statement.  Just because someone has collectrd something for a long time does not mean what they say is gospel.      What was their focus, how often do they still  participate in the hobby.   New info comes to light all the time, just look at the anchor hocking glasses.      If you arent in the thick of it you will misd stuff.   At one point this board was the end all for info.    Its not anymore.


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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2022, 05:45:49 PM »
New info comes to light all the time, just look at the anchor hocking glasses.

What's the new info on Anchor Hocking glasses?
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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2022, 05:47:39 PM »
At one point this board was the end all for info. It's not anymore.

If I have to go to FB to get it, then I don't want it.
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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2022, 06:35:46 PM »
If I have to go to FB to get it, then I don't want it.

You are missing out.    There are ways to get on without adding personal info or even a picture.   Lots use it for hobby only stuff, myself included.  Its easy to avoid the "social media" aspect.

Instagram and Twitter are still big nopes from me though.   
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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2022, 07:02:27 PM »
Very interesting! So, AH is '67. instead of '63.
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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2022, 11:25:33 PM »
I would not soley go by the info in threads here.... Just because someone has collectrd something for a long time does not mean what they say is gospel.

No, of course the word of longtime collectors on this board is not "gospel". It does however have more than a bit of credence. It's the age old legal concept of "burden of proof". Unless I have good strong reason to think otherwise, I believe that these longtime collectors know what they're talking about.

The agreed upon consensus.is Orange and Teal whenever discussions are had elsewhere online (Facebook groups etc...)

New info comes to light all the time....

You realize of course that your second statement contradicts the first. The agreed upon consensus should be amenable to change in light of new info. What new info? Well old time collector, monster enthusiast and UMA member Jeffs60s (I actually invited him to join this board back in 2014) remembers buying a green Hunchback at Newberry's in Portland, Oregon (as well as pink figures!). Here's his reply to Zombiehorror:

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Thanks for your question, it's a good one. The colors that I can recall were a sort of neon. I had some figures that were orange and some that were a bright pink color. I always kept re-buying them, but I did get a hunchback that was blue one time, and also a green one.... The bright colors may have been a special issue for a time, but I can recall them vividly.

He reports having both a blue and a green Hunchback which was his favourite figure. (On the pink though where his memory is more vague I'm sceptical. He may be mixing up Universal monsters with Nutty Mads.)

Then of course Zombiehorror reports having a lime green one that once sported a Meijers price tag. Why would Zombiehorror be trying to deceive anyone on this board?

Most of the old time and current hardcore collecors dont frequent this board anymore.   Most are on FB now.  In fact most have not even visted here in years bevause folks would constantly doubt them and fill threads with pointless conjectures.

Yes, pointless conjectures on what new information could indicate! Such a terrible thing sharing info with hardcore monster enthusiasts on UMA and trying to sort out what it might mean! Better to stay on that refuge of scammers, scoundrels, teenage girls and the grandmas trying to stay current with their grandkids, i.e. Facebook, where nobody cares enough to challenge your thinking on such arcane topics as Marx Universal monster figures.

Look, this is the bottom line. You're arguing that no Marx Universal figures could have been distributed in the United States into the early 1970's in any colours but teal blue and Popsicle orange. "No" though is a very tall order. I understand that these figures were sold in five-and-dime stores for perhaps ten years. So Marx must have done many production runs of these figures through the 1960's. And do you think that the foremen/plant managers at Marx cared enough to stick scrupulously to colour guidelines? Of course not. I mean they were producing cheap kids' toys. Who cares whether some of the "wrong" colour got out? (Let alone got imported under the table from Japan, Hong Kong or Plastimarx in Mexico.) The trick was to keep production costs down. So statistically it's very likely that some small quantity of other colours, e.g. lime green or Popsicle blue, hit retail shelves. And it seems that a very few of these still pop up occasionally.

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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2022, 01:44:45 AM »
No, I said the only agreed upon 60s colors are teal snd orange.   Never mentioned anything about the 70s.

Well Ive been asking to see that auction pic with the so called sticker.   


Collectors make stuff up all the time.   Freddie told Nebula he bought the "popsicle" blue Wolfman in the 80s, yet in the Marx thread says something totally different.....I get he is your buddy so which is it????    Im sure he was an adult in the 80s.







You even said it yourself.



So again....thats why I scoff.

You must have never used FB groups  because opinions get challanged all the time.   Without screen names to hide behind if it's unpopular.
Keep living in your echo chamber of the same 5 or 6 people because you are one of the reasons OG members no longer post here.     
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Re: Freddie Poe's Popsicle Blue Mummy and Wolfman Marx Figures
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2022, 12:30:19 PM »
Well Ive been asking to see that auction pic with the so called sticker.


Zombiehorror posted all kinds of pictures of his very vintage looking not quite lime green Frankenstein figure right here:

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=1070.390 

And "so called sticker"? You realize of course that your choice of words insinuates that Zombiehorror is simply lying for no apparent reason. Why is it that you're so eager to launch completely unprovoked personal attacks on other board members?

Collectors make stuff up all the time.   Freddie told Nebula he bought the "popsicle" blue Wolfman in the 80s, yet in the Marx thread says something totally different....





You even said it yourself.



Plastic Nebula corresponded with only Freddie's son during the auction which would have been how and where Nebula got the impression that Freddie had bought both figures in the early 1980's. I was simply repeating what Nebula had said in his opening remarks. Here though is Freddie's post from 11 July 2014 in which he fully elucidates which figure came from where:

thanks Horror Hunter...shown is the orange frank with date... then my (i call them Popsicle blue) wolfman & mummy shown along side a teal mummy for color comparison. then shown are the dated bottoms with correct markings....the light colored Mummy was brought from someone in england and the wolfman i have had for over 35 years......the dated orange frankie i got from a uma fiend!


So the Wolfman figure was original Freddie vintage which is so much the better for Nebula!

I get he is your buddy....


Yes. I have friendly relations with many board members who don't go out of their way to insult me.

So again....thats why I scoff.


That plus the fact that you don't hesitate to be flat out rude.

You must have never used FB groups  because opinions get challanged all the time.


I'm not on Facebook. I have no use for any of the mass market social media sites.

Without screen names to hide behind if it's unpopular.


You sound like that actor who quit this board a couple of years ago because he couldn't abide dissenting opinions on Hugh Hefner, Forrest J. Ackerman and collecting in general.

Keep living in your echo chamber of the same 5 or 6 people....


So now you're dissing this whole board? Tens of thousands of posts by hundreds of dedicated monster fans of various stripes and you sneer at it as an "echo chamber" just because some of us are open minded to the possibility that some Marx figures could have shown up in American retailer bins in unusual colours before 1970? Nice.

...because you are one of the reasons OG members no longer post here.


Once again you're very quick to launch personal attacks when disagreeing about some arcane monster-related issue.

But I wonder if I should be complimented. Please quote me some of those references from Facebook and elsewhere of people avowing that they're so intimidated by the fearsome Hepcat's claws that they won't post on UMA.

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