Author Topic: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!  (Read 658 times)

Hepcat

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2021, 12:59:01 PM »
The six books in question weren't exactly the good doctor's most familiar.

But like I said, McElligot's Pool and On Beyond Zebra! are my two favourites on the basis of my own personal most cherished memories.

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2021, 01:27:47 PM »
Exactly. It isn't "cancel culture" or censorship, it's respect.

Nonsense. You know full well that "cancel culture" refers to people/organizations striving to remove imagery which anybody for whatever reason may deem offensive. That's the precise meaning of the term and the Dr. Seuss decision is a perfect example of cancel culture.

POC & LGBTQ people have been "canceled" for decades, centuries even.

"Cancelled?" Really? To be honest I'm not interested in arguing the details of this question. So long as you're not arguing for the passage or existence of laws giving more favoured treatment to any one group on whatever basis including historical I'll not argue. (And what's this very awkward newfangled "people of color" expression all about?)

How much longer should they continue to endure insensitivity, discrimination & violence??

Hold it right there! I saw you palm that card. Through the crude device of juxtaposition, you've attempted to equate insensitivity with violence. Well there's a vast chasm between the two. I should be free (of government coercion) to be as insensitive as I want (I'm under no obligation to be pleasant to others) and I will fight to defend that right. But no, I do not have a right to violence or to initiate force against any other individual. So your attempt at equating insensitivity and violence is at best intellectual dishonesty. At worst it's support of government mandated sensitivity. (And yes, I can give examples of such.)

Life's been pretty good to you if you're actually feeling a sense of loss over pancake syrup & Dr. Seuss.

Actually life's not that easy for any of us regardless of race. Yes, I was born a white male. But I recall no instance whatsoever where this automatically opened any doors for me. To get good marks at school I had to demonstrate my learning in exams. Being white didn't mean I was simply "passed through". Being white (with a name most linguistically challenged Anglos found impossible to pronounce) didn't help me to land jobs either. These days though, I can provide multiple examples of being discriminated against by government bodies because I'm a white male.

And as for life being "pretty good", have you been living on Earth this past year? And no, cancel culture has not just been an irritant (e.g. the loss of Dr. Seuss books, Uncle Remus and Brer Rabbit material both of which I treasured as a kid), but I've actually been emotionally devastated. I don't know whether you're a sports fan, but if you are you can understand identifying with favourite sports teams. Well last July I lost my beloved gridiron football team, the Edmonton Eskimos, which I embraced more than sixty years ago. I was devastated. I was filled with fury and hate for those who agitated for an end to my Eskimos and the sense of loss and emptiness I still feel won't disappear for many years. And I've now lost my favourite American League baseball team, the Cleveland Indians, as well.

What troubles me most these days is that those who decide to feel offended by whatever somehow feel that it's society's or someone else's responsibility to make changes so that they no longer feel offended. It's as if "the offended" somehow gain a more priviledged position because they've suffered "offence". What I don't understand is why those in a position to make the decisions don't respond with a shrug and the response "So? You're entitled to your feelings and I'm entitled to mine. You go on with your life; I'll go on with mine." My own more typically blunt response would be "Tough!"

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2021, 03:34:15 PM »

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2021, 04:26:20 PM »
Yes,  I absolutely totally agree with Hepcat with his comebacks on this subject.  We need to get a grip on this because I fear it's not going to get any better.  Yes, I know what Mike has said, UMA is really not the place for these opinions, but, for crying out loud, this is now the world we live in, and even though we all love our monsters, there is no denying that a lot of this crap is surely taking a toll on us all,  there's hardly a day  that goes by now where a totally stupid or moronic statement is made or some totally absurd bill is trying to be passed.  Never in my life would I have thought I'd see the day where this nonsense would have caused such a barrier with our lives.  There are much bigger things down the road to be worried about.  This site is surely about monsters, but in the back of everybody's mind these frustrations mount, and it's tough to keep a lid on it.

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2021, 04:44:24 PM »
An older friend of mine (who sadly is no longer with us) was a WW2 veteran. He taught me a valuable life lesson. "Shrug stuff off like water off a duck's back". I thought that's how most people lived their lives, and that I was just wound too tightly. As I grew older, I applied his one sentence piece of advice to great success to my mental and emotional well being. Not to let the world's  "stuff" get too ingrained into my day to day life. Life's too short. Then a funny thing happened last year. Someone I considered a friend here at the UMA essentially accused me of being a racist in a private message. It bothered me. At first I just kind of poo pooed it. Then it started to anger me. I showed him a picture of my father and my best friend, and that ended the debate over race. The damage was done though. Someone/something is working hard to make people hate each other. This is supposed to be The United States. Division is bad. Common ground is good.  Here be monsters....the good kind. That's why I come to the UMA.

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2021, 05:20:36 PM »
My final thoughts on the subject.  What we are seeing today with cancel culture, outside of being ridiculous on so many levels, is really dangerous.  In fact, it reminds me quite a lot of McCarthyism in the 50's.  This idea that you need to cancel or try to erase anything you deem "insensitive" or "offensive" or "disagreeable" on it's face is completely un-American.  Where does it all end?  Do we cancel or erase all movies or TV shows that portray Native American Indians as savages?  Or should we cancel or erase all episodes of All in the Family due to some of the anti-Semitic language of Archie Bunker?  Or should we cancel or erase all episodes of The Jeffersons due to George Jefferson's constant use of the offensive term "Honky"?  Or should we cancel or erase all Looney Tunes cartoons featuring Speedy Gonzales or Pepe Le Pew for their stereotypical characterizations of the Mexican and French cultures?  Or should we cancel or erase episodes of Three's Company for John Ritter's take on being a gay man?

I think and hope you all get the point; there is no end to what can be deemed "insensitive" or in bad taste.  Obviously, things were very different 20/50/100/300 years ago and many of the things we see, hear, and read from those eras are products of those times.  The only way we can evolve as a people and a nation is to learn from the past, and not try to erase history like it never happened.  If we do that, we are doomed to repeat it.     

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2021, 06:27:28 PM »
I wasn't going to say anything more here but some of the discussion has now degenerated from underlying philosophical principles to blatant political shots:

In short, if you can't see how conservatives have forced their moral code on society then I can't help you.

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2021, 06:32:44 PM »
The only way we can evolve as a people and a nation is to learn from the past, and not try to erase history like it never happened.  If we do that, we are doomed to repeat it.     

History is not being banned by moving towards a more racial/cultural sensitive future no matter what work of fiction is being "banned".

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2021, 07:09:07 PM »
In short, if you can't see how conservatives have forced their moral code on society then I can't help you.

I neither see how conservatives have forced their moral code on society nor did I ask for your help. In fact, my bottom line when it comes to politics is my opposition to force. I'm strictly about voluntary relationships and the freedom to choose. So simple. You live your life, and I'll live mine. You make your choices; I'll make mine. How can you disagree?

But why did you introduce the entirely political subject of "conservatives" into this discussion anyway?  Why were you compelled to widen the subject beyond Dr. Seuss books to politics in general? I introduced the subject of the Dr. Seuss books because I remember taking delight as a kid in Dr. Seuss books in general and three of these books in particular. And now they're deemed "offensive"? This to me is exasperating silliness of the highest order.

And while the people who made this decision are absolutely acting within their rights, their actions nonetheless betray the mentality of book burners. Granted, book burners are also acting within their rights if they own the books they're burning, but they still deserve the approbation and scorn of the prudent man sector of society.

So, yes, it seems that the Dr. Seuss library is now under the control of book burners. And that's very sad, particularly because of my fond memories of Dr. Seuss books.

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History is not being banned by moving towards a more racial/cultural sensitive future no matter what work of fiction is being "banned".

Of course history is not being "banned" by the book burners. But it is being swept under the carpet. And there's never a good enough reason to do so, whether that be "racial/cultural sensitivity" or any other.

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2021, 08:09:28 PM »
Ha. For a guy that "wasn't going to say anything more here" it doesn't appear that you can stop.

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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2021, 08:25:08 PM »
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Re: Six Dr. Seuss books to be removed from publication!
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2021, 08:39:17 PM »
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