Universal Movie Monsters-Marx

[fmofmpls]

Terry, and while we're driving around partying, we can toast fake Bike Buddies on the exhaust manifold! 

Now your talking! Bike Buddy bandits on the loose burning up the road. Lock up your women and children. Soaky tags will be the least of their worries when we're done. 

[Mike Scott]

I wouldn't bid on a rare item on ebay without a photo.

Are you not, then, encouraging the posting of photos of rare items on the internet, so that the fakers can get ahold of them?

[Monster Bob]

You bet. In low resolution.

[Mike Scott]

In low resolution.

Like the photo of the Soaky tag.

[Monster Bob]

And I can put 20 photos of a Hasbro Mummy game in an ebay auction, and you still couldn't produce a convincing fake.

But flat paper or cardboard? Impossible to tell real from fake in an ebay photograph. Even the binder art. you can go to Office Max, get a black binder, insert art, and not be able to tell if its real or fake in an ebay auction. And unless you were a player in said auctions, you wouldn't care one way or another. I guarantee if it were your dollars at stake, you'd care quick.

[Dr.Terror]

I guess buyers will just have to be more careful in the future when buying tagged soakies.  Thats what happens when folks spend $$ on an old piece of cardboard.  In the mean time I'm just as happy with my free Soaky Tag.

I don't care how old the cardboard is, Im only interested in the image printed on the cardboard.  

High end collectors have ruled to roost for so long esp with vintage monster collecting, I really don't care if my repros affects that small circle of elite collectors

Every monster fan should be able to enjoy this stuff, not just the folks with the $$$ to buy it.

[Monster Bob]

I guess buyers will just have to be more careful in the future when buying tagged soakies.  Thats what happens when folks spend $$ on an old piece of cardboard.  In the mean time I'm just as happy with my free Soaky Tag. 

Ugh. 

I don't care how old the cardboard is, Im only interested in the image printed on the cardboard.

High end collectors have ruled to roost for so long esp with vintage monster collecting, I really don't care if my repros affects that small circle of elite collectors

Every monster fan should be able to enjoy this stuff, not just the folks with the $$$ to buy it.

Wow. That's a healthy attitude. Like I said earlier, it affects anyone that bids in auctions that rely on photographs to sell the product, not just 'that small circle of elite collectors' that bid on higher end stuff.

Oh, to add: I wouldn't consider a tagged Soaky a "high end" monster toy at $100-$200;  more like average for vintage. Most new collectibles (hello Sideshow) are higher than $100; usually alot higher. I would venture to say every "vintage monster collector" here has bought something for $100, therefore this is a concern for most persons here that buy or will buy old monster toys at some point. Kind of the main reason this board exists, or so I thought.


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[Dr.Terror]

Then buyers need to be careful and ask questions.


There has always been this snobbish attitude towards repros or recasts  which I don't understand. 

[fmofmpls]

Let's just call this thing a draw. Both sides have very valid points. I enjoy it all. I don't care what it is, how much it costs, where the hell it came from, who owned it before me and who might own it after. It's all good as long as I'm alive. I'll gladly help anybody out with anything that I have or own.

I also want to make perfectly clear that the UMA in no way, shape, or form, condones fraudulent behavior. We ask that you the members enjoy responsibly and with much moderation. This means that we are to be equally passionate in policing our hobby as we are in spreading the wealth around. If you see an auction that is clearly in error, it is our duty to inform the seller as well as the entire community. Just as Bob had done with those faux Bike Buddies a while back. We need to be on the lookout for one another. We're in this thing together. We may not always agree on certain matters, but that's okay. In fact, it's even healthy.

Let's all have a group hug. I gotta go to bed, and this time I intend to. I don't want anybody fighting while I'm sleeping either. A General needs his beauty sleep.

[Dr.Terror]

If the repro thread is for members only, once the pics are added just delete the original thread.


and besides the Candy boxes haven't hurt anyone.

[Monster Bob]

When it is clear that the seller's intent is to deceive, it is a problem for all buyers.

I personally have no problem with a reproduction done right, and clearly marked as so. (EX.- the new Big Frankie) The problems arise when easily faked and garage repros are represented as real by people who know better, later down the line.

And then there's the image thieves. In my case, I have had the best in the business request photographs of this or that, which I supplied, only asking for credit for the photo. I've had these same people not only fail to put in the photo credit, but claim the piece is out of their collection. And I am talking some of the 'top dogs' in the general toy collecting field. If that doesn't frost your ass, I don't know what would. 

[Mike Scott]

And I can put 20 photos of a Hasbro Mummy game in an ebay auction, and you still couldn't produce a convincing fake.

Wanna bet?

Of course, if I didn't want to go to all that trouble, I could just take those pics and put up my own auction and take your money and send you nothing!

[Dr.Terror]

And then there's the image thieves. In my case, I have had the best in the business request photographs of this or that, which I supplied, only asking for credit for the photo. I've had these same people not only fail to put in the photo credit, but claim the piece is out of their collection. And I am talking some of the 'top dogs' in the general toy collecting field. If that doesn't frost your ass, I don't know what would. 

That is lame. Especially if they made money off it.    Were some of the pics in the MTC issue given the wrong credit?

[fmofmpls]

And then there's the image thieves. In my case, I have had the best in the business request photographs of this or that, which I supplied, only asking for credit for the photo. I've had these same people not only fail to put in the photo credit, but claim the piece is out of their collection. And I am talking some of the 'top dogs' in the general toy collecting field. If that doesn't frost your ass, I don't know what would. 

I personally know the feeling. I had a beautifully painted Aurora Bride Of Frankenstein kit that I was commissioned to paint for a mutual acquaintance years ago (you know him Bob), and this friend went ahead and entered the model in one of the modeling contests on the circuit. He ended up winning 1st place with my painted model! And no, he never gave me credit at all. He just kept quiet and said thank you to all those who were congratulating him! I was pissed! But I had some small comfort in knowing my work had won first place and not third. Now that would have really burned me. Frosted ass and then some.  

[Dr.Terror]

All this talk of frosted ass is making me hungry...Gawd..what am I saying.