My Thoughts on 'White Trash: The Movie' AKA 'Halloween' (2007)

[Anton Phibes]

They do. For now...

Watch The uncanny with Peter Cushing much?,lol

[AlwaysWitty]

my honest opinion on a film

[Chakor Channing]

Alright, this does it!  Unless someone actually brings up something worth talking/arguing about, this is my last reply to this darn thread.

Since I've gone through this entire thread and read some of the things that BBW wrote for a second time, I'm going to throw in my proper response.  BBW stated that I "disrespected the film as a work of artistic expression".  Alright, here's the problem with that statement in particular: He talks as if the film being a work of artistic expression is a fact, when in reality it's all just a matter of opinion.  The same goes for my thoughts on the film.  It's a matter of opinion.  I'm actually impressed and, dare I say, blown away by the fact that BBW wants to defend works of artistic expression.  I find that to be an admirable quality of a person's moral character (not that I'm in any position to judge that, according to the snob who wrote reply #54 to this thread).  However, as you all know, I didn't view RZ's Halloween remake as a work of artistic expression, based on the 25 minutes that I was able to actually watch.  The fact that it was so bad to me that I could only watch 25 minutes of it should say something.  I viewed it as a cash-grab and a major insult to the original film.  Even if Michael Myers had been a mere human who was brought up in a dysfunctional family thus turning him into a serial killer, the film would have better IMO if said dysfunctional family had been rich snobs or something else of the like, and not distasteful white trash.

In addition, here's another two cents from my wallet.  I view the films that I actually enjoy as works of artistic expression as well, but I find it rather hard to have more respect for peoples' opinions when they've only watched the same films that I enjoy once or twice and then say that a film that I despise is better.  But it's still just their opinions, so I'm not going to get my head in a twist.  Bottom line: I also find it disrespectful to claim that a film in which I despise is better than a film that I enjoy based on one or two viewings of it, and that's also disrespecting a work of artistic expression IMO.

As for violently threatening to assault Rob Zombie...  I think the reason why no one other than BBW has touched base on that is because he is the only person who is taking that statement seriously.  Granted I'd be lying if I said that I didn't want to beat RZ with a baseball bat if he actually remade anything that I like and it turned out to be a disaster, doing so would require me to waste more of my time than I have already.  If someone remakes a film, we still have the DVD copies of the originals.  DVD copies of the originals aren't going to disappear just because someone remakes the film.  In addition, no one is obligated to watch a remake, whether they actually expect the remake to be good or not.  I'm going to ask everyone this: If you had a film that you loved with all of your heart that has essentially become the air you need to live and breath, and then your least favorite filmmaker remade it and said remake turned out to be an atrocity in your opinion, what would you do?

I'm honestly lost on what that gif is supposed to mean.

That's it for me.  In the words of Willy Wonka, "Good day sir(s)!"

[Mike...In 3-D!]

I'm going to ask everyone this: If you had a film that you loved with all of your heart that has essentially become the air you need to live and breath, and then your least favorite filmmaker remade it and said remake turned out to be an atrocity in your opinion, what would you do?

Honestly? I wouldn't do anything because it's just a movie and it doesn't effect my life past the 2 hours I would spend seeing it. It wouldn't change the original in any way. In no way would I be obligated to see it, buy it, rent it or talk about it ever again. I know how this is how I would react because Rob Zombie remade Halloween in 2007. The original is one of my favorite movies of all-time. His version did nothing for me and I never have to watch it again or spend time talking about it unless I choose to. Rob Zombie didn't come into my house, break my copies of the original and slap my girlfriend. He just made a movie.

Watch The uncanny with Peter Cushing much?,lol

I've never actually seen The Uncanny!

[Anton Phibes]

I've never actually seen The Uncanny!

Here kitty,kitty......

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1qulcx_the-uncanny-1977_shortfilms

[Monsters For Sale]

Alright, this does it!  Unless someone actually brings up something worth talking/arguing about, this is my last reply to this darn thread....

Promises, promises...

[AlwaysWitty]

He talks as if the film being a work of artistic expression is a fact, when in reality it's all just a matter of opinion.

It's a film, depicting a fictitious story using sound and imagery to convey meaning. It is a work of artistic expression. That is an objective fact, not an opinion.

I viewed it as a cash-grab

I personally disagree. As would Rob, I think. The very fact that the film is so divisive and so different from past films in the series would suggest that it was a personal project for him, not just a quick buck.

That said, it is worth mentioning that Rob dealt with studio meddling quite a bit during the making of both of his Halloween films.

I find it rather hard to have more respect for peoples' opinions when they've only watched the same films that I enjoy once or twice and then say that a film that I despise is better.

Firstly, you didn't even watch Rob's Halloween all the way through. You barely watched a quarter of the full running time.

Secondly, I don't care if your favorite movie is Citizen Kane and I'm saying Bride of the Monster is a better film. It's still my opinion. You literally just put it down, for everyone to see, that you can't respect an opinion that's different from yours.

I also find it disrespectful to claim that a film in which I despise is better than a film that I enjoy based on one or two viewings of it, and that's also disrespecting a work of artistic expression IMO.

Again, you literally only watched 25 minutes of the film, per your own words, so not only are you an elitist snob, you're a hypocrite.

As for violently threatening to assault Rob Zombie...  I think the reason why no one other than BBW has touched base on that is because he is the only person who is taking that statement seriously. Granted I'd be lying if I said that I didn't want to beat RZ with a baseball bat

I'm going to let that stand by itself.

[Anton Phibes]

The devolution of this thread into fighting/trolling/annoyance/being annoyed is, in my considered opinion, the reason why fewer and fewer folks frequent the forums these days. Even Hannibal lecter doesn't like it when people are rude. But he eats them....so that's a little extreme.

[Chakor Channing]

IMO this is worth discussing, so I'm not breaking any promises, MFS. 

It's a film, depicting a fictitious story using sound and imagery to convey meaning. It is a work of artistic expression. That is an objective fact, not an opinion.

Since that's the case, then so are all of the things that I like.

I personally disagree. As would Rob, I think. The very fact that the film is so divisive and so different from past films in the series would suggest that it was a personal project for him, not just a quick buck.

Remember that this is coming from the same man who claimed to hate remakes.  He had no problem with remaking Halloween, but his direct response to being offered to remake TCM was "Those movies are perfect - you're only going to make yourself look like an a**hole by remaking them."

That said, it is worth mentioning that Rob dealt with studio meddling quite a bit during the making of both of his Halloween films.
Firstly, you didn't even watch Rob's Halloween all the way through. You barely watched a quarter of the full running time.

Practically everyone deals with studio meddling.  It's part of the process of making a film.

Secondly, I don't care if your favorite movie is Citizen Kane and I'm saying Bride of the Monster is a better film. It's still my opinion. You literally just put it down, for everyone to see, that you can't respect an opinion that's different from yours.
Again, you literally only watched 25 minutes of the film, per your own words, so not only are you an elitist snob, you're a hypocrite.

So what?  My opinion on Rob's film automatically has no value or merit because it was so bad for me that I could only watch 25 minutes of it?  I sort of envy those of you with the ability to watch the film in its entirety.

I'll leave everyone with this documentary by Horror is Dead.  It's lengthy, but it's an interesting video.

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[Chakor Channing]

The devolution of this thread into fighting/trolling/annoyance/being annoyed is, in my considered opinion, the reason why fewer and fewer folks frequent the forums these days. Even Hannibal lecter doesn't like it when people are rude. But he eats them....so that's a little extreme.

People are way worse on Facebook, so I don't know where they think they're going to go to avoid annoyance and trolling.

[the_horror_man]

So what?  My opinion on Rob's film automatically has no value or merit because it was so bad for me that I could only watch 25 minutes of it?  I sort of envy those of you with the ability to watch the film in its entirety.

Actually, yes, because it is not an informed opinion. If you watched the whole movie and stated your opinion. Then it could be discussed. Basically this accounts for everything in life. Certainly not because I said so, it is just a fact. If there is an accident. Cops don't show up on the scene and ask, just tell me about this part of it. Another example is court cases. All facts must be presented. Other examples are if you want to do your job or career well.

If you eat in a restaurant and order chicken prepared one way. Then you say the restaurant was awful. How do you know that a steak may not have been good or another kind of chicken or pork chops might have been delicious.

There is a saying. "You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts?

thm

[Anton Phibes]

People are way worse on Facebook, so I don't know where they think they're going to go to avoid annoyance and trolling.

Home, Chakor, they can stay home. Where reside their collections, a good book, television, dvds, etc.  Anywhere but to a place where folks are supposed to share common interests and community....but argue instead. Once that stuff starts....people leave. I know for a fact its why at least 3 members just lurk at best....or have left altogether who used to be quite active.

[Chakor Channing]

Actually, yes, because it is not an informed opinion. If you watched the whole movie and stated your opinion. Then it could be discussed. Basically this accounts for everything in life. Certainly not because I said so, it is just a fact. If there is an accident. Cops don't show up on the scene and ask, just tell me about this part of it. Another example is court cases. All facts must be presented. Other examples are if you want to do your job or career well.

If you eat in a restaurant and order chicken prepared one way. Then you say the restaurant was awful. How do you know that a steak may not have been good or another kind of chicken or pork chops might have been delicious.

There is a saying. "You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts?

thm

Hmmm...  On the bright side, I guarantee all of you that I'm not alone in this.  There are hundreds of people who've been extremely put-off (for lack of the better terminology) by some of Rob's films and have stopped watching them before they could finish.  I will say this though: Based on what BBW explained about the film and its plot in his first reply to this thread, it hasn't raised my hopes or expectations for the film at all.  I'm never watching it again.  But by all means, keep the fandom of Rob Zombie going...  I guess.

[the_horror_man]

Hmmm...  On the bright side, I guarantee all of you that I'm not alone in this.  There are hundreds of people who've been extremely put-off (for lack of the better terminology) by some of Rob's films and have stopped watching them before they could finish.  I will say this though: Based on what BBW explained about the film and its plot in his first reply to this thread, it hasn't raised my hopes or expectations for the film at all.  I'm never watching it again.  But by all means, keep the fandom of Rob Zombie going...  I guess.

Oh, I don't doubt there are many people who don't like Zombie's music or films. However, this is the case with everything in life. As I mentioned earlier, I loved the Devil's Rejects. It is in my top 10 all time favorite Horror/violent films. I did enjoy Halloween, but it is certainly not one of my favorites and Halloween 2 was not good, in my opinion. 

Recently, I watched "31". It had some good parts, but wasn't that great overall. I was going to watch it a second time to see if it grew on me like Devil's Rejects. However,  I never got around to it. I think the parts that I thought were good in "31", were only good because they were similar to The Devil's Rejects.

thm

[Mike...In 3-D!]

Hmmm...  On the bright side, I guarantee all of you that I'm not alone in this.  There are hundreds of people who've been extremely put-off (for lack of the better terminology) by some of Rob's films and have stopped watching them before they could finish.  I will say this though: Based on what BBW explained about the film and its plot in his first reply to this thread, it hasn't raised my hopes or expectations for the film at all.  I'm never watching it again.  But by all means, keep the fandom of Rob Zombie going...  I guess.

See, that's the thing. That last statement is where you lose me. So what if Rob Zombie's fandom keeps going? You don't have to be included. You can just ignore it. I don't like Rob Zombie's movies and I don't intend to see any more of them, but it won't bug me if he keeps making them. If his movies are enjoyed by others, great. I have no problem with his success. If his movies make more and more money and gain popularity, that doesn't mean my favorite film makers will have to stop making movies.