My Thoughts on 'White Trash: The Movie' AKA 'Halloween' (2007)

[Chakor Channing]

One thing that I forgot to mention in the original post that started this thread was that Rob Zombie's Halloween was extremely offensive to me.  As silly as that may sound, I found it offensive.  The way Rob portrays essentially all of the characters in his films as white trash is something that I find deeply unappealing and disgusting, hence why I never wanted to willingly watch this disaster or any of his other stuff.  Unless someone is going to pay me $100 for it, I'm not giving another film written by Rob Zombie a watch.

[Monsters For Sale]

I hate that as well. It's as if all these directors are prudes who think sex is evil and therefore the practitioners should be punished.

Funny, I've never thought of it that way.

It just seemed like a good excuse for catching people undressed, when they are likely to feel more vulnerable, without always having to resort to another shower scene. 

Also a way to exploit the idea of instantly taking the characters from one of life's most pleasurable situations to life's worst by being savagely killed in some very nasty way - like being rapidly dismembered while still screaming.

[long live kong]

'Horror clichés' such as the rutting couple getting wasted are what a lot of horror fans find endearing about slasher films and trash cinema, especially those who grew up renting VHS tapes from video stores....you would spend ages pouring over the lurid covers before picking a title like Frankenhooker and then laugh at the movie with your friends. Occasionally you would find a great movie and often they would be crap, but you'd still get a kick out of watching them and the clichés became part of the charm.

[Chakor Channing]

Funny, I've never thought of it that way.

It just seemed like a good excuse for catching people undressed, when they are likely to feel more vulnerable, without always having to resort to another shower scene. 

Also a way to exploit the idea of instantly taking the characters from one of life's most pleasurable situations to life's worst by being savagely killed in some very nasty way - like being rapidly dismembered while still screaming.

I second that.  I never thought of the overuse of sex in horror movies to mean that the directors/writers thought that it was a bad thing and thus the practitioners should be punished.  If anything, I thought that people like Rob Zombie overused sex in horror films because they can't get enough of it.  In Rob's case, it's very obvious that he wants to appeal to the audience who are too lazy to look through Playboy magazines for that sort of entertainment because we have two shots of his wife's ass in The Devil's Rejects for no reason, Michael Myers killing everyone either while or right after they're done having sex in his Halloween remake, and a pile of naked women in The Lords of Salem.  IMO the way Rob does this is disgusting, unappealing, and it just makes me sick.  I definitely agree that anyone with respect for themselves should take a shower after watching his disasters.

[AlwaysWitty]

Michael Myers killing everyone either while or right after they're done having sex in his Halloween remake

Actually, there are only six people he attacks/kills who took part in a sex scene. Judith and Steve, Lynda and Bob, and Annie and Paul. The only added copulation is Annie and Paul. Judith's boyfriend wasn't killed in the original, however, and in the remake Annie survives the attack.

Other than them, the uncut version features Michael killing a pair of orderlies after they rape an inmate, which precipitates his escape scene in that version. This scene I actually do object to as it's ultimately in rather poor taste and it doesn't feel right in a Halloween movie. I wish I had the theatrical version which features an entirely different escape scene, and a much more effective escape scene at that.

He kills many, many more people than just them. Which you'd know if you watched more than 25 minutes of it without fast-forwarding. By the way, if this is the only film you've ever watched (only 25 fast-forwarded minutes of) how could you judge The Devil's Rejects and Lords of Salem without having seen them? You've judged these scenes without any actual context as to what's actually happening in them. Lords of Salem at the very least should seem obvious enough as the idea of witches taking part in their rituals in the nude is a very old one.

It sounds to me like you're a bit of a prude. In addition to being the kind of person who threatens people with acts of violence.

No, I'm not letting that go.

[Chakor Channing]

While I may not have seen any of his films other than the atrocity in question, do I really need to watch the nude scenes which I've mentioned to know that I would hate them?  In horror films, ALL nudity is the same to me.  It's lame.  It's boring.  It's not needed.

As you all know by now, I have certain "rules" as to where I think nudity does and doesn't belong.  Aside from perhaps The Lords of Salem, I don't think nudity belongs in ANY scene from ANY of Rob's films.  In the instance of his Halloween remake, I think he was very clearly looking for as many opportunities for Michael to kill people while naked as he could, which I find disgusting and offensive.  I must have picked up the theatrical version (thank God for that), as I don't remember there being any such disgusting scene as the one you described.

If people think I'm a prude for being disgusted with Rob's use of nudity, then so be it.  I will remind everyone that part of why I'm disgusted with Rob's use of nudity is because NONE of the actresses that he has in his films are attractive.  They all look like the run-of-the-mill tramp who you'd pull out of a drug store...  Save for his wife, I suppose. 

[Monsters For Sale]

C'mon, guys:

We don't need to call names or belittle anyone else's opinions in order to justify our own.  Everyone is entitled to his/her own likes and dislikes.

Me:  I like naked people.  Seems natural to me.  A "pile of naked women" sounds like the sort of thing I'd like to see.  But the few Rod Zombie movies I have seen, I did not care for.  I am not anxious to see any more of his films.  That's just me.

If you are a fan of his movies, I hope you continue to enjoy them.
 

[AlwaysWitty]

In the instance of his Halloween remake, I think he was very clearly looking for as many opportunities for Michael to kill people while naked as he could

Again, only six characters in the film participated in a sex scene prior to Michael attacking them, with the majority of characters being attacked in entirely different circumstances. You're acting like everyone he killed was naked when that's simply not the truth. You're a prude, that's how you feel, I don't care, but suggesting that there are more sex scenes than there are brings the discussion into the realm of facts, not opinions, and on this you are objectively wrong.

We don't need to call names or belittle anyone else's opinions in order to justify our own.  Everyone is entitled to his/her own likes and dislikes.

I swear I'm living in some kind of Twilight Zone episode where I say one thing, and everyone else is hearing a completely different thing.

I don't give a rat's ass how he feels. I'm happy to discuss why I disagree without any quarreling at all. Where I take issue is with his condescending attitude, his constant suggestion that his opinions are facts, and the barrage of insults he is constantly leveling toward people who don't feel the same way he does. And the big rotten cherry on top of all of this is:

HE
THREATENED
TO
ASSAULT
SOMEONE.

Now have I finally made myself clear or are we going to continue pretending that somehow I'M the one who can't handle his opinion when I've said over and over and over again that that is not the case?

[aura of foreboding]

Pretty sure we could all use this right meow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsysNml153M

[The Red Death 30]

Im on here a LOT, don't usually say much.  I don't know why anyone let's them self get drawn in by this troll.  He's done nothing since he showed up but post continual threads that are meant to be nothing but argumentative egging. 

[Monsters For Sale]

Pretty sure we could all use this right meow...

I've never understood why otherwise rational people tolerate cats.

[aura of foreboding]

I've never understood why otherwise rational people tolerate cats.

That's where you have it backwards.  People don't tolerate cats.  Cats tolerate people. 

[CreepyCharlie]

Brand new here.  I have to say, entertaining thread but Zombie's wife is NOT hot.  She's just above average. She looks like every other groupie I've ever seen but it doesn't matter what any of us think about his wife. It's HIS wife.  As for the over use of nudity in horror movies, I agree that more often than not it is gratuitous at best. Sometimes it fits. Sometimes it's just an excuse to show T&A.  I'm not at all a prude but it would be nice if they didn't insult our intelligence by using so much of it when they lack in other places. That's just lazy.

[Chakor Channing]

Im on here a LOT, don't usually say much.  I don't know why anyone let's them self get drawn in by this troll.  He's done nothing since he showed up but post continual threads that are meant to be nothing but argumentative egging.

According to Wikipedia, the definition of an internet troll is, essentially:

...a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.

First and foremost, you obviously don't look at the "Masks and Busts" and "Modern Monster Toys" sections.  To say that I do nothing but post arguments is an instance where you are obviously wrong, as I post plenty of stuff in those sections.  I'm extremely insulted by the fact that my honest opinion on a film is considered trolling.  Arguing about films by Rob Zombie is something that is annoyingly unavoidable, as I've seen people break down into huge arguments on almost every single topic about a Rob Zombie movie on this board and many others.

If you have a personal vendetta against me, tough for you.  Or are you "too good" to even be bothered with acknowledging my existence from here on?

[Mike...In 3-D!]

That's where you have it backwards.  People don't tolerate cats.  Cats tolerate people.

They do. For now...