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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2015, 09:03:34 PM »
Why, Monster Bob? Do we all really believe if no one discusses it....we might get it for $1?

I collect autographed items. So does my buddy Mario, and tons of other folk on these here mighty fine boards.  Many times I have lost things to him or someone else with deeper pockets. many times, others have lost to me....if I wanted the item badly enough and didnt mind selling pints of plasma to cover said item.

As was stated....does anyone think, in this day and age, that they are going to get a Colin Clive autographed photo for 50 cents if....**shudder** there isnt anyone talking about it?

Dealers are more saavy, collectors are more knowledgeable, and  everyone thinks everything they have is the next million dollar painting for antiques roadshow. The days of granny pulling a whole run of  pristine mint Famous Monsters of Filmland out of the attic, and sellling the whole box for $1 are pretty much non existent nowadays.

If anyone can cite a recent example to me where a blackout occurred on discussing an item, and they actually scored it for some ridiculously low amount....I might eat my words. But, honestly, nowadays people are too educated.

i have seen a fella on ebay who is probably a member here (who shall remain nameless). His auction/BIN prices are inflated above the educated collector's value. Then there are the morons who think everything that says Frankenstein or CFTBL is immediately a $500 item.

I have seen people pay out the nose to be the first guy on the dealer room floor at horror cons and toys shows to score....absolutely nothing they couldnt have scored for the exact same price by simply paying normal admission. 20 years ago, a friend of mine found a Gigantic Frankenstein, complete, in a coffee maker box at a flea market. For $15. I own it now. I didnt get it from him for $15. Check ebay sometimes for the ones listed for sale. Those days are rare now, if not altogether non existent.

If its a rule for the board....then the mods can handle it. Its their  board, and its a privilege to visit here not a right. But if its not a rule....I am not going to be told by another member what I can and cannot discuss about monsters. Just because it might make someone who has some twisted sense of logic angry. Simply because they think I am going to ruin their ability to "get a deal".  ::) ::)

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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2015, 09:31:35 PM »
It has nothing to do with "getting something for $1". It is like wearing blue jeans to a black tie affair. It's just poor taste. And truthfully, many of the high prices everyone whines about here are a direct result of the information average schmoes read... right here... on this very board, before popping their stuff on ebay to sell it. That "coveted" head bucket and its meteoric price rise in the last few years was a direct result of discussions held right here.

So what does this free insight do for the average monster collector, other than cause higher prices? Nothing.

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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2015, 09:50:22 PM »
Why not just shut the site down then if we have to regulate what can and cannot be discussed in the realm of horror? Not simply among our own ranks...but now we have to "fear" anyone with a search engine at their disposal? Anyone with a library card and 15 minutes can educate themselves on just about any toy. There are tons of Distinctive Dummies figures I do not own. Should I not discuss when a figure suddenly breaks the 1k mark just because some dork might find our discussion when he googles?

You do realize anyone, can, at any time....search completed auctions on evial bay. Then, anything that shows green means it sold. Then they set their price based on these completed listings. I doubt it has as much to do with folks searching this forum listening to a bunch of us old guys sitting about reliving our childhoods.... as it does simply searching completed listings. :angel:

I get it. Folks don't want the competition on a precious bauble they desire for their collection. If somebody wants to get that special monster hand puppet, Pez dispenser or toilet paper holder...they don't want someone else fighting them for it. To say its poor taste to discuss a topic, simply because someone else's special interest isn't being protected is just absurd.

Poor taste or not (in your opinion), if it isnt against forum rules...then I am not going to allow someone else to "shame" me into being censored. Nor to dictate to me what topics I can discuss (particularly in this realm). There's more than enough of that going on nowadays. 8). I will follow the forum's official decorum. Other than that, I am disinclined to comply with the opinions and requests of others as if they were some sort of gospel.





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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2015, 09:56:35 PM »


Honestly, I really don't care what you talk about.

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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2015, 10:08:21 PM »
Everyone should post what they want to. If it's wrong for the site the mods will handle it.

Members don't have the authority to dictate what other members are allowed to post. Only mods have that authority.
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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2015, 11:55:27 PM »
 Are you kidding me? I'm offline for a few hours and this s**tstorm starts without ME being behind it for once. For the record, I stand with Anton & Horror Hunter on this one. I definitely will wear blue jeans to the black tie affair.

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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #36 on: July 25, 2015, 12:32:23 AM »
WOW!!!  Hold it, hold it guys!!  In response to Monster Bob, I can clearly see exactly where he is comming from. no real need to "bash to oblivion" his thoughts on talking "live-ongoing" auctions on e-bay.  If you don't like someones opinion, and, by law, we're ALL entitled to our own (by the way),  then let him know, which, you already have!!  I can also see the others points too, talking about pieces still "up for grabs".  If they want to talk about it, well then, so be it!!  I talk about fond memories a lot here, it's just me, this is a forum about monsters, right??  The younger crowd doesn't know what it was like "back then".  Now, if someone is "watching" an item on e-bay, or wherever, for that matter, and lets say it's YOU,  all of a sudden, the piece is talked about here, now, EVERYBODY knows about the piece!!  So, with that being said, is there anything "wrong" with this??  It all depened on the individual, and honestly, yes, everybody, who is "sharp" enough, can and will do searches. Will that "hamper" your ability to buy it, maybe yes, maybe no.  No one "likes" to be told what to do, OR say, for that matter, but everyone has their own opinion, which we can all share!! No one here is actually telling anyone what to, and not, to do, it's all opinion.  At least, I think it is!  No one here is thinking that they are going to "score" a big collection for "nothing" here on e-bay, to even say or mention that is un-justifiable. Years ago, well, maybe yes, when e-bay was in it's infancy, but, not anymore!!  E-bay has "grown" into it's own huge self, we have all looked at it, we do look at it, and as long as it's still here, we'll always look at it, "scouring" the pages for "deals", hoping to land one!!  Sometimes it happens, but not often.  I have to agree with Bob here though on this one, any thoughts, "let-em rip!!

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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2015, 02:00:40 AM »
I think it's "not cool" to post "hidden" auctions. If there is a Frankenstein bucket listed as "Orange grumpy plastic face," with a $1 starting bid, that is a hidden auction. Yes, someone might get it for dirt cheap. You're not doing anyone any favors by posting it in a public forum. You're just ensuring that it sells for top dollar, just like every other Frankenstein bucket. So instead of a member here possibly obtaining an item he might otherwise never be able to afford, you are ensuring that item remains out of his reach.

If the listing is not hidden, I don't have a problem with discussing it here. Yes, discussion can drive up the price. But the listing is out there in plain view for all to see, so I can't really cry foul if someone draws attention to it.

That said, I don't see the point in posting about an auction unless there is something unusual about it. If someone found an ebay listing for a Frankenstein bucket molded in green plastic, that would be unusual and worthy of discussion. It would be a new discovery in the hobby. But if it's just your regular old orange bucket, I don't know why you would post the listing. Anyone looking for it can find it (if it isn't hidden). So what's the point?

We've all seen these buckets. We know what they go for. If someone wants one, they can search ebay for a few months and find multiple examples from which to choose. It's not a big deal. And as for the price, they have been holding steady for a few years. I haven't seen a dramatic increase recently. Minty ones have been $500-$600 for years. I don't remember the last time I saw one with a strap and nice paint sell for $200 or $300. Those days were over long ago. So I don't even get the fascination with the price. As scarce 60s monster items go, they are not THAT expensive. In a time when Distinctive Dummies figures can sell for over $1,000, what is the big deal about an iconic 1960s toy selling for $500? There are 1970s Mego carded action figures that sell for $10,000 and up. There are all kinds of toys in every genre that sell for multiple thousands of dollars. There are monster movie posters that sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars. So a $500 Frankenstein bucket just doesn't seem so miraculous.
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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #38 on: July 25, 2015, 08:40:17 AM »
WOW!!!  Hold it, hold it guys!!  In response to Monster Bob, I can clearly see exactly where he is comming from. no real need to "bash to oblivion" his thoughts on talking "live-ongoing" auctions on e-bay.  If you don't like someones opinion, and, by law, we're ALL entitled to our own (by the way),  then let him know, which, you already have!!  I can also see the others points too, talking about pieces still "up for grabs".  If they want to talk about it, well then, so be it!!  I talk about fond memories a lot here, it's just me, this is a forum about monsters, right??  The younger crowd doesn't know what it was like "back then".  Now, if someone is "watching" an item on e-bay, or wherever, for that matter, and lets say it's YOU,  all of a sudden, the piece is talked about here, now, EVERYBODY knows about the piece!!  So, with that being said, is there anything "wrong" with this??  It all depened on the individual, and honestly, yes, everybody, who is "sharp" enough, can and will do searches. Will that "hamper" your ability to buy it, maybe yes, maybe no.  No one "likes" to be told what to do, OR say, for that matter, but everyone has their own opinion, which we can all share!! No one here is actually telling anyone what to, and not, to do, it's all opinion.  At least, I think it is!  No one here is thinking that they are going to "score" a big collection for "nothing" here on e-bay, to even say or mention that is un-justifiable. Years ago, well, maybe yes, when e-bay was in it's infancy, but, not anymore!!  E-bay has "grown" into it's own huge self, we have all looked at it, we do look at it, and as long as it's still here, we'll always look at it, "scouring" the pages for "deals", hoping to land one!!  Sometimes it happens, but not often.  I have to agree with Bob here though on this one, any thoughts, "let-em rip!!

I have no problem with Bob. I have no problem with Ray's example of "grumpy orange face bucket". I think Ray summed it up perfectly. I dont stumble across hidden auctions anyway. I type in what I am looking for when I search. Not "warewolf" when I am hunting a Lon Chaney Wolfman item. That being said, if something strikes my tastes to talk about it....I will. Without being censored by someone out there on this earth who might say "Dangit! I wanted that set of Mon-stirs! they were the yellow ones! Now Anton has drawn everyone's attention to it--  nobody knew until he opened his mouth."  Yeah. Sure. Maybe in 1988. 8). Oy. ::) ::)




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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2015, 11:37:17 AM »
OK, enough said.  However, I need to point out, what started this posting might have been wrong information.  That particular bucket head was listed at a "buy it now" price of 625, I don't think it ever was listed for 225, or something. It was on several times, with a firm buy it now price. The 550 price was "offered" when a "best offer" was added to the listing. As for the person stating that it must have been a "steal" because it was sold, well, no, 550 was an "offered price", which was fair.

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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2015, 05:51:07 PM »
I think it's "not cool" to post "hidden" auctions. If there is a Frankenstein bucket listed as "Orange grumpy plastic face," with a $1 starting bid, that is a hidden auction. Yes, someone might get it for dirt cheap. You're not doing anyone any favors by posting it in a public forum. You're just ensuring that it sells for top dollar, just like every other Frankenstein bucket. So instead of a member here possibly obtaining an item he might otherwise never be able to afford, you are ensuring that item remains out of his reach.

I agree. I'd rather a monster loving fellow UMA member get a great deal than some Ebay seller who cares so little about anything he's selling that he doesn't even know what he's selling gets a great price.

In fact, I rather resent non-monster toy enthusiasts using this board to gauge the market for what they're selling. Quite simply, I'm an enthusiast/collector. I don't have the time of day for anybody in it for just the money, and that's putting it far more politely than I'm customarily inclined.

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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2015, 06:29:58 PM »
Quote from: raycastile on Today at 02:00:40 AM

I think it's "not cool" to post "hidden" auctions. If there is a Frankenstein bucket listed as "Orange grumpy plastic face," with a $1 starting bid, that is a hidden auction. Yes, someone might get it for dirt cheap. You're not doing anyone any favors by posting it in a public forum. You're just ensuring that it sells for top dollar, just like every other Frankenstein bucket. So instead of a member here possibly obtaining an item he might otherwise never be able to afford, you are ensuring that item remains out of his reach.
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I agree. I'd rather a monster loving fellow UMA member get a great deal than some Ebay seller who cares so little about anything he's selling that he doesn't even know what he's selling gets a great price.

In fact, I rather resent non-monster toy enthusiasts using this board to gauge the market for what they're selling. Quite simply, I'm an enthusiast/collector. I don't have the time of day for anybody in it for just the money, and that's putting it far more politely than I'm customarily inclined.

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And as long as you brought that up, million dollar companies that display their wares here, auction and otherwise, could throw a bone to this group, and help pay for its very existence. If you know what I mean.



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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2015, 06:47:20 PM »
Yes, I know precisely what you mean.

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Re: Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2015, 06:55:10 PM »
Here's what I think.

I think we should close the UMA and all other collector sites, burn all price guides and collector books, close ebay and then we can get everything we want at garage sales for 25 cents!
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« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2015, 07:31:37 PM »


Yes, but I am serious.

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