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MonsterBoy7

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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2012, 11:04:37 AM »
Who was that Hammer?

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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2012, 11:35:54 AM »
again it is pointless to name names.  the guilty party knows who he is. and I think he realizes the crapstorm he created and how it backfired on him.
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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2012, 04:32:58 PM »
[admin]Lets not even go there. Asking for names and naming names in the forum will NOT be tolerated here. Take that business off site and talk amongst yourselves. I'm not going to let this discussion go south. And when things do head in that direction .. that's when I pull the plug.[/admin]
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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2012, 04:59:06 PM »
It was kinda funny when I got taken to task a bit by Barry at Factory Entertainment for buying the Haunted Studios and Dimensional Designs Dracula rings. They half-hinted that Haunted Studios' Chris Lee ring was keeping them from putting out a licensed Hammer/Lee Dracula ring.
 
Now, Factory's being accused of ripping off CineArts' Frankenstein bust for their own, upcoming Lights & Sounds Electronic Frankenstein bust. Can one licensee rip off another? I guess if Universal allows it, they can. (Honestly, while the sculpts are very similar, I don't believe Factory ripped off CineArts' bust. The original, fan-made piece might have used a CineArts bust as its base, but the production model has noticeable differences.)
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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2012, 05:53:49 PM »
...Now, Factory's being accused of ripping off CineArts' Frankenstein bust for their own, upcoming Lights & Sounds Electronic Frankenstein bust...

I think "accused" is a rather strong word. Some people have suggested they look similar. If 3 people made life size sculpts of Abe Lincoln I would expect them to look similar as well. I've seen both busts in person, and I don't think one is a direct copy of the other at all.

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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2012, 06:57:46 PM »
I think "accused" is a rather strong word. Some people have suggested they look similar. If 3 people made life size sculpts of Abe Lincoln I would expect them to look similar as well. I've seen both busts in person, and I don't think one is a direct copy of the other at all.
But the accusation has been made, in Factory's own thread on the bust, no less. I've already said I don't believe it, but at least one person does and has publicly stated so.
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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2012, 07:15:25 PM »
Lets not even go there. Asking for names and naming names in the forum will NOT be tolerated here. Take that business off site and talk amongst yourselves. I'm not going to let this discussion go south. And when things do head in that direction .. that's when I pull the plug.
had n't planned on naming names Terry, for reasons which Iposted previously. Monsterboy seems to have his agenda. this has been a civil dsicourse for the most part. I did recieved a nasty email from a frustrated individual who I believe does troll this board from time to time. But as a wise man once told me, he who angers you, controls you. 
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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2012, 10:01:51 PM »
But the accusation has been made, in Factory's own thread on the bust, no less. I've already said I don't believe it, but at least one person does and has publicly stated so.

I understand that, but I don't think that really counts as a formal accusation.
If I said "I think Bobby Brown killed Whitney Houston" it would be irresponsible for people to thereafter say "Bobby Brown, who has been accused of killing his ex-wife..."
My point being an accusation by an unnamed person on the internet carries less weight than someone officially stepping forward and making an informed claim based on facts other than looking at a photo of an unfinished product.

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Re: Unlicensed vs Licensed Products
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2012, 11:15:19 PM »
Then there's the nature of the accusation. No one's accusing them of murder. I'm not even sure it would be theft for one licensee to use another licensee's sculpt as a "template" for a new sculpt. To just reuse the same sculpt, without compensation, WOULD be theft, but is CineArts still around, even? I don't collect busts, so I honestly have no idea. Would they pursue action against Factory if that had been the case?
 
Now, a friend of mine is a big H.P. Lovecraft fan. He's commissioned a jeweler to make him replicas of the pinky rings worn by Dean Stockwell as Wilbur Whateley in "The Dunwich Horror" (1970). While unlikely, the jeweler could, conceivably, start turning out repros of these rings and sell them. Would my friend be liable if the copyright holder (MGM or Turner, I believe) took action? No, I believe only the jeweler would be. The first set of rings would constitute an artistic creation. And, while it varies, he might get away with the first 10 or so repros. But, once he makes set #11, it's copyright infringement!
 
However, as george has pointed out, it's up to the copyright holder to take action. Some companies won't bother. Others will pounce like a freakin' leopard on a gazelle! A couple of years ago there was a company making really beautiful, 1/18-scale "space swords" that were similar to ones that came with action figures based on a popular series of space fantasy films. These weren't repros, but original designs. I bought a few of them to go with custom action figures I made. Then, BAM! Out of the blue, they get a C&D letter from the copyright holder. Not only did they have to stop making their "space swords," they had to basically shut down their company. (I received one of the last batches of swords they sent out prior to getting "the letter.") They've since re-established themselves, making small-scale replicas of more Earthly weapons.
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