Walking Dead Season Two

[frankenstein73]

My moneys on shane,dudes gotta go.

[Sean]

They really do! One season on the farm is enough. And that means Glen will stay behind, or Maggie will leave with him, which she won't do without her family. If Glen or Maggie gets killed, problem solved!

Herschel goes out all day, looking for more lost cattle.  He gets in a scrape and gets infected somehow.  Herschel returns late, walks in the house as a zombie------they blast him and have no reason to stay on the farm anymore... as maybe it gets overrun by zombies and they have to move and there is nothing there keeping them.  The family can't bear to stay.  Something like that.

BTW, how in the hell did a zombie eviscerate a cow?  The cow's hide is too tough and the cow wound move away.  It wouldn't stand there as a walker tried chomping it.  I was watching a video of a healthy hippo being ganged up on by several lionesses.  They had to give up.  They couldn't penetrate the hide.  Grown lionesses.  The walker would be relentless, but it couldn't be there trying all day without being seen------so the walker must have done that in relatively short order----------which is unrealistic, if at all possible.

[zombiehorror]

----------which is unrealistic, if at all possible.

Ummmm...the show is called Walking Dead, reality is out the door.....LOL!??!

[The Invisible Woman]

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/03/the-post-apocalyptic-morality-of-the-walking-dead/253986/

This is a pretty interesting article that may benefit this discussion. What do you guys think?

[Moonshadow]

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/03/the-post-apocalyptic-morality-of-the-walking-dead/253986/

This is a pretty interesting article that may benefit this discussion. What do you guys think?

Thanks for sharing this. I think it brings up a good point about Rick. Regardless what you may think of him, he does take responsibility for his choices.

Rick has taken a lot of flak not just here but everywhere. While it's easy to declare him wishy-washy, the fact is he's torn between holding onto his humanity versus protecting his family. Personally,  I respect that, and I can understand and forgive some of the choices he's made. In contrast I have no respect for Shane, who has given up any semblance of humanity -it's all about his survival, pure and simple.

[Sean]

Ummmm...the show is called Walking Dead, reality is out the door.....LOL!??!

OK, lemme try to explain it THIS way:

Reality---relative to what we experience daily---IS 'out the door' with a show about the walking dead... but the producers of this fantasy have established 'standards' for it's fantasy characters.  The walker that apparently disemboweled the 1,200 lb cow alone, with his bare hands,  could not muster the power to pull his feet from LOW shin-deep mud EARLIER IN THE SAME EPISODE.  Alpha predators with significantly more speed, power and agility than any walker (from what the producers of the show have represented them to possess) can't rip large prey's underbellies open WHILE THEY'RE STILL ALIVE----they'd be trampled to death... and walkers drop like Humpty Dumpty from a single blow to the head.

It's incongruous for a frail zombie who was stopped (un)dead in his tracks because his tootsies were stuck in mud barely above his ankles-----to be shredding apart 1/2 ton livestock while it was ALIVE, better than a lioness could.

'K? 

[Sean]

Thanks for sharing this. I think it brings up a good point about Rick. Regardless what you may think of him, he does take responsibility for his choices.

Rick has taken a lot of flak not just here but everywhere. While it's easy to declare him wishy-washy, the fact is he's torn between holding onto his humanity versus protecting his family. Personally,  I respect that, and I can understand and forgive some of the choices he's made. In contrast I have no respect for Shane, who has given up any semblance of humanity -it's all about his survival, pure and simple.

Right or wrong, Rick is pulling that trigger on Randall if Carl doesn't walk in.  Then he does an about face.  Complete reversal.  So in the span of 5 seconds, he made 2 decisions on the same life and death situation that are COMPLETELY opposite from one another.

That's quite possibly a good quality for a human being.  But it's unquestionably a BAD quality for a leader-----not that he didn't kill Randall------but that he thought about it long and hard, decided he was going to do it/ had to do it, then allowed Carl's walking in to COMPLETELY change his mind.

You send Carl out of the barn and kill Randall.  OR, you never get  to the point where you have him blindfolded in a barn with your gun to his head in the 1st place.  Something (Carl's suprise entrance) totally unrelated to whether you should kill Randall or not------decided Randall's fate.  BAD leadership.  And I like Rick, but leaders can't be wishy-washy.  Not like that.  It will catch up to the group you're leading.  JMO.

[frankenstein73]

Its like this, when you watch a scary movie and a parts coming up where you know something bad is going to happen and you think to yourself, "don't open that door Are you crazy? Can't you see what's going to happen to you if you do?" To the guy who's about to open that door...... But they have to open that door Or it would be a pretty boring movie.this Randall situation is going to be a big part in the future of rick, Shane, Carl, and probably everyone else involved IMO. The" door " has to be opened and it has to be that way. It's setting up the rest of the story. And rick isn't wishy washy, he's being human. We make mistakes,second guess ourselves,change daily to our life experiences. That's what separate us from the animals, and zombies. And as for a cow getting eaten, I've seen zombie/ shark attacks in Zombie movies!  a cow is possible.

[Sean]

Its like this, when you watch a scary movie and a parts coming up where you know something bad is going to happen and you think to yourself, "don't open that door Are you crazy? Can't you see what's going to happen to you if you do?" To the guy who's about to open that door...... But they have to open that door Or it would be a pretty boring movie.this Randall situation is going to be a big part in the future of rick, Shane, Carl, and probably everyone else involved IMO. The" door " has to be opened and it has to be that way. It's setting up the rest of the story. And rick isn't wishy washy, he's being human. We make mistakes,second guess ourselves,change daily to our life experiences. That's what separate us from the animals, and zombies. And as for a cow getting eaten, I've seen zombie/ shark attacks in Zombie movies!  a cow is possible.

1)  Wishy-washy is HUMAN.  But it doesn't make for a good leader.  You want the right decisions made without the flip flopping.  The term wishy-washy, as it pertains 'indecisive' describes Rick pretty well. Decisiveness is a trait a good leader must have.  Rick is indecisive.  That's an obstacle for him being a good leader.
2)  I'm not talking about ANY 'zombies' ripping cows apart.  I'm talking about 'The Walking Dead' zombies doing it. I swore I was clear about that.  The same zombie with the egg shell skull who couldn't even get his feet out of the mud isn't ripping a 1,200 lb cow's stomach open while it's still alive. 

[Sean]

Its like this, when you watch a scary movie and a parts coming up where you know something bad is going to happen and you think to yourself, "don't open that door Are you crazy? Can't you see what's going to happen to you if you do?" To the guy who's about to open that door...... But they have to open that door Or it would be a pretty boring movie.

Charles Grodin's character in the 1976 King Kong was a douche.  If he WASN'T, the big ape doesn't leave the island.  Charles Grodin being a douche MAKES the rest of the movie possible.  I get it.  BUT.... Charles Grodin IS a douche in that movie.  We wouldn't say he's NOT a douche because he has to be that way for the movie's plot to unfold.  Gosh, I typed 'douche' alot here. Douche, douche, douche...

[Unknown Primate]

I don't think that frail-ass zombie could even milk a cow!

I also think Randall is bad-news ...

[frankenstein73]

Charles Grodin's character in the 1976 King Kong was a douche.  If he WASN'T, the big ape doesn't leave the island.  Charles Grodin being a douche MAKES the rest of the movie possible.  I get it.  BUT.... Charles Grodin IS a douche in that movie.  We wouldn't say he's NOT a douche because he has to be that way for the movie's plot to unfold.  Gosh, I typed 'douche' alot here. Douche, douche, douche...

You seem to get very defensive  and snarky when people don't agree with your view, ive noticed it in other threads. maybe you don't feel you do. Or I'm misinterpreting it. But I think everyone can have an opinion here,without it turning ugly. As for the zombie cow debacle, IMO... zombies are driven by bloodlust, and seem to get a surge of adrenaline when they have the opportunity to kill. And that gives them more strength And the ability to overcome their prey. He got out of the mud because Carl came by and got him exited.  Started the drive in him back up. Otherwise it would have just stayed there and rotted. As it was walking it found the cow, at night, sleeping, you can walk up to a cow at this time and tip it over, so i will buy into it. Its not ideal and definately not completely believeable,but entertaining. As for rick being a good leader, he cares about everyone in the group, who else in the entire group does? Is anyone else more qualified, Or able to?  Hershel kept zombies in the barn,Shane kills people to save himself, Dale( was) to soft. Glen doesn't know what to do ever, so who is better? JMO.

[Unknown Primate]

I'd eat a cow - matter of fact, I have! 

[Sean]

You seem to get very defensive  and snarky when people don't agree with your view, ive noticed it in other threads. maybe you don't feel you do. Or I'm misinterpreting it.

Yes. 

[frankenstein73]

Glad to see you are proud of that. I don't appreciate being called a douche, as I'm sure that is how you meant it to sound. Easy to say hiding behind your computer. This is a great site and I don't think that's the way people handle themselves here. I feel we all should be able to have an opinion and if we disagree, do it in a respectful manner without resorting to childish remarks and name calling. There are many other sites on the internet that thrive off of know it all's and people who like to argue just to argue. Save it for them.