SDCC Factory Entertainment Frankenstein

[Count_Zirock]

Thanks for sharing those pix, Relic. A few of those are a lot cooler, but I can see the headaches involved in trying to mass-produce those.

[Hellbilly1965]

I cant make myself belive a word "factory" has said... EVERYONE, that i have talked to about this agrees... this is a retooled cinearts bust....hard to find? have you heard about thailand pal? recasters come up with some of the lamest excuses!

[Hellbilly1965]

I think pics of both should be sent to Miles.. lets see what he has to say!

[Gillfan]

Hellbilly- You are way out of line.
We have no reason to not believe Factory Entertainment or their talented, well known, award winning, sculptor.
None.
If you have some actual, fact based evidence, please share it.

[Hellbilly1965]

sure thing....Ive gotten way better pics of BOTH...please use your eyes my friend.http://www.michael-myers.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=90429&p=870332#p870332 this is very clearly the same exact sculpt..with some kinda crap on it to hide the detail....

Im outta line?

[Hellbilly1965]

and please look at several markings that are the exact same.. in the exact same location..as a sculptor myself, the VERY first thing i thought when i seen this bust.."Thats a cinearts bust"...the evidence is CLEAR! Im waiting to hear from Miles Teves on this as well. then we'll see who is outta line here.

[hammerfan]

sure looks like the CineaRT frank to me.

[Gillfan]

If I gave 2 talented sculptors known for doing accurate and lifelike sculptures the exact same reference photos and told each to sculpt the subject, I would expect two sculptures that would like very very similar.
As a professional sculptor yourself, why does this surprise you?
If somebody hired you to sculpt Abe Lincoln from a photo would you put his mole on the other cheek o your bust didn't look like everyone else's?
If you were sculpting Scarface (the old mobster) would you move the scar and ignore the photo reference?


I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just saying I see no credible reason to doubt a well known sculptor or an established manufacturer.
I do however think it is pretty easy for someone to anonymously post libelous accusations on a website.

[Hellbilly1965]

Factory stated....."Douglas is not a professional sculptor or inventor"...end quote

Miles teves sculpted a portrait. Hilderbrandt did not..he made something that is an exact (with intintional alterations) copy of the cinearts bust.
the pics are very clear. the details of the original are there, but has been "muted" with something. it has been altered.

If hilderbrandt just wanted to trick out a cinearts bust with a cool base.. then cool.... BUT, dont DEFACE and original work of art... then try to claim it as your own!!!! thats just terrible...

and Gillfan...everyone hates it when something like this happens... should we ignore it?

[Gillfan]

You didn't answer my question.

[Hellbilly1965]

The new pics i posted are more than clear.
I think ive proven my point...and really dont feel the need to beat a dead mule.


"the proof is in the pudding"...or "pictures" in this case.


Shame, shame.....we know your name.

[Factory]

Factory stated....."Douglas is not a professional sculptor or inventor"...end quote

Miles teves sculpted a portrait. Hilderbrandt did not..he made something that is an exact (with intintional alterations) copy of the cinearts bust.
the pics are very clear. the details of the original are there, but has been "muted" with something. it has been altered.

If hilderbrandt just wanted to trick out a cinearts bust with a cool base.. then cool.... BUT, dont DEFACE and original work of art... then try to claim it as your own!!!! thats just terrible...

and Gillfan...everyone hates it when something like this happens... should we ignore it?

Hellbilly1965. We would politely ask you to stop making potentially libelous comments on a public forum.

We would also ask you to refrain from sending offensive emails to our associates.

You are entitled to your opinions, of course. But you are making unfounded and false accusations. Please be assured that we will vigorously protect our interests and the interests of all parties concerned as required.

This is a an officially licensed  Universal product, we are an official licensee. As we have repeatedly said this piece is not a recast or a copy of any previous work. It is original work sculpted by Mr Douglas Hildebrandt. I am not sure how many times we need to repeat that. You have not been involved in the production of this piece in any way and to the best of our knowledge you have no relationship to any party involved in its creation. We applaud your vigilance in protecting  IP, we agree with you on that point 100%. But we are a professional company that produces licensed products, we are not a recaster who sells product in a clandestine manner. In this case you are mistaken. You are basing your opinions on a series of images only. Have you actually seen our prototype in person? It is easy for anybody to compare photos of a product, and it is also easy to produce images that appear to support an argument or an agenda. Supermarket tabloids are expert at that. 

I am not sure what you deal is with Douglas, or us. You almost appear to be waging a vendetta? There is really no need to be so rude. You can contact us directly to express your concerns and we would have expected you to have done that by now instead of attacking us publicly without fact or merit.

We don't want to threaten or anger anybody and many other posters have already raised the voice or reason in this debate (thank you all) but this needs to stop, take a deep breath and then lets continue in a professional manner.

Regards

Barry

Factory Entertainment

[Hellbilly1965]

Ive emailed no one... I told Douglas through ebay  that his work was not an original sculpt...

please save all the long winded rant please.

[Toy Ranch]

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[Count_Zirock]

sure thing....Ive gotten way better pics of BOTH...please use your eyes my friend.http://www.michael-myers.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=90429&p=870332#p870332 this is very clearly the same exact sculpt..with some kinda crap on it to hide the detail....

Im outta line?

The sculpts are similar, but nothing you've posted at Michael-Myers.net is any more convincing than what you've posted here. You've made your accusations, and they were addressed. Apparently, not to your satisfaction. This smacks of someone trying yet again to stir up the recaster controversy pot, just for the sake of doing it.