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Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2015, 04:46:40 PM »
This thing is amazing!! This was one of my favorite Aurora models when I was a kid and to have one in solid bronze for that price is outstanding! Totally blown away!!  :o

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Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2015, 05:02:08 PM »
How cool is that? Congrats on an awesome find!
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Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
« Reply #47 on: April 25, 2015, 11:44:39 AM »
Thanks Guys!  :)
I'm  hoping it makes print in James Burrells' ( Rue Morgue) book he's producing.
I'm still trying to find the origins on this Bronze Beauty...

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Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2015, 12:16:12 PM »
It used to belong to Perseus of ancient Greece. It was given to him along with the helmet of invisibility and the shield he was supposed to guard well, because it would guard him. Only the Forgotten Prisoner survived. It was discovered in a warehouse by James Warren and Forrest Ackerman during the late 1960's. Next to the Ark of the covenant and an ancient fertitlity idol. Placed there by one "Dr. Jones". First name illegible.

Seeing that Aurora was making models at the time, those two rascals went to the company to talk with Bill Silverstein. Aurora reverse engineered the bronze beauty into a plastic model mold. The original bronze was then stolen and taken by Mercury. It resided on Mt. Olympus until recently.  Bubo the mechanical owl became tired of everyone giving the metallic skeleton all of the glory that belonged to him. He was still wounded from being relegated to joke status in the Clash of the Titans remake. It was just too much. So, late one night, he took it an hid it deep within the Maze of the Minotaur. The Minotaur found it, and bit into it. Unfortunately, Minotaur has sensitive teeth. Upon breaking a molar, he threw the thing in a fit of rage. It circled the earth for quite some time. Then, due to the forthcoming end times prophecied in Thundarr the Barbarian,  (its 2094, not 1994 as originally suggested), it lost its orbit and landed at a flea market. Once there, a Johnny Cash impersonator who also sells occupied japan era porcelain on the weekends discovered it. He polished it up with Eye of Agamotto cleaning fluid...and promptly put it on ebay.

McDee--you acquired it as cheaply as you did because those in the know realize Bubo is a force to be reckoned with when irate. Thats why so few of us were willing to bid. So, while you may think you have acquired something wonderful....beware. Bubo has Cthulhu and a Rancor on speed dial. I can end this curse for you. All it requires is a sacrifice. If you are willing to sacrifice your Retro Resin Fly Monsters fo the Movies kit....I can make the whole thing go away and keep you safe. Think it over. 8)


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Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
« Reply #49 on: April 26, 2015, 06:08:56 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D
     Well that's the Best story I've heard yet....(and the only story)
Although it does sound probable I think I'll keep looking... Whoever made this did an excellent job of it and obviously must have had the desire to hang on to it...Unless the person is deceased and someone inherited his or her estate and didn't realize what they were looking at,...... but still, you don't make something like this and not show it off.
It sure looks like it came straight out of the Aurora molds and if I were to hazard a guess on its age, I'd guess 40 + years...

Oh... Anton..I've been married twice so don't tell me about being cursed  :o ;D
I keep the Bronze Forgotten prisoner right beside the Retro Resin Fly Monsters of the Movies kit.... to keep the curses in check lolol
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« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2015, 09:00:26 PM »
Hiya, Mcdee!

I remember your mentioning this piece over on the HobbyTalk Modeling Forum.  In my work at the Toledo Museum of Art, I've learned a little (very little) about the lost wax casting process and can offer some insight into how your Forgotten Prisoner might have been made.  I think the artist who made it cast the model pretty much this way:
    • First, he'd have used a flexible molding compound similar to the self-hardening impression material that dentists use.  He would simply have cast all the parts of the unbuilt kit - maybe didn't even separate them from the sprues.
    • Then, he'd use the molds to copy the kit parts in the casting wax used for bronze casts.
    • Next the artist would cast the wax duplicates of the kit parts int the molding compound used for casting bronze.  It goes on in liquid form and then is hardened with heat.  This is when the wax is "lost" - that is, heated sufficiently to run out of the mold.  If the parts were cast while still on the sprues, the sprues might have served as channels to help the wax escape from the molds; kind of injection-molding in reverse!
    • Finally, the artist would recast the parts in molten bronze.  Once released from the molds (which can only be used once, since they must be chipped off the castings) he could assemble the parts by welding them.  The process wouldn't have been unlike assembling the plastic parts, just much hotter.

    I noticed how finely the details of the model were reproduced; there's a little bit of flash evident on the front rib cage, for example.  If someone had cast the kit as a buildup, I would think he'd have had to fill in the voids like the inside of the skull and hollow chest.  Your model looks like it was assembled from individual parts, and  a high quality assembly job at that.

    Since it does appear to have been assembled like a model, I would advise against picking it up by anything other than the base.  In fact, I suggest you have it mounted on a solid trophy base so it doesn't need to be handled at all.  It'd be a pity to break a part off, and an expensive job to repair the model.  Your bronze Forgotten Prisoner is clearly the result of a lot of skill and labor; I think you've gotten the deal of a lifetime in its acquisition.  Congratulations!
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    « Reply #51 on: April 26, 2015, 09:31:27 PM »
    ;D ;D ;D
         Well that's the Best story I've heard yet....(and the only story)
    Although it does sound probable I think I'll keep looking... Whoever made this did an excellent job of it and obviously must have had the desire to hang on to it...Unless the person is deceased and someone inherited his or her estate and didn't realize what they were looking at,...... but still, you don't make something like this and not show it off.
    It sure looks like it came straight out of the Aurora molds and if I were to hazard a guess on its age, I'd guess 40 + years...

    Oh... Anton..I've been married twice so don't tell me about being cursed  :o ;D
    I keep the Bronze Forgotten prisoner right beside the Retro Resin Fly Monsters of the Movies kit.... to keep the curses in check lolol
    Cheers
    Mcdee


    The only way the Curse of Bubo can be averted is by sacrificing the Retro resin Fly M.o.M. kit.... to me. >:D. Seriously though, I hope you are able to find out everything you can about this unique little gem. The sacrifice can be diverted if you can find me one of those kits at an affordable BIN as well. So, there is some hope for us both, lol.

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    Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
    « Reply #52 on: April 27, 2015, 12:35:23 AM »
    Mark I believe you hit that nail right on the head. I often wondered why the head and chest cavities weren't solid, but your explanation of the parts being cast while still disassembled makes sense. That must have been some undertaking (pun not intended, but in this case, very apropos )  That's why I can't understand how it has remained unknown, even the seller hadn't a clue as to any history on it...I do keep it in a glass case and has only been handled by myself when taking photos. Mind you it is not what I'd consider fragile either, built very well and strong....but no sense in tempting the fates  ;)....
    Anton I will indeed keep my eyes open for any Retro Resin Fly kits that happen to buzz into view!
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    « Reply #53 on: April 27, 2015, 07:25:27 AM »
    Mcdee,

    Yeah, I'd be tempted to think that this might have been some metal working student's class project, except that the bronze model looks to have been as well assembled as a plastic one made for an IPMS contest.  It looks to me as though the artist had a great affection for the Aurora kit and therefore put a lot of work into his bronze recast.  No doubt about it, you have a real treasure there!
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    « Reply #54 on: April 27, 2015, 09:54:21 AM »
    Thanks Mark and by the way...
    Welcome to the UMA ! Great to see you here !
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    Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
    « Reply #55 on: April 27, 2015, 07:07:39 PM »
    So I've noticed.  When's somebody gonna show me the secret handshake??  :)
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    « Reply #56 on: April 27, 2015, 08:55:27 PM »
    When's somebody gonna show me the secret handshake?


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    Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
    « Reply #57 on: April 28, 2015, 08:16:34 PM »
    Thanks, Mike...I was afraid it was going to go something like that.
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    Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
    « Reply #58 on: April 28, 2015, 08:27:48 PM »
    I'll extend a welcoming laurel and hardy handshake as well...on one condition: leave the micro-gauger at the door, thanks.

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    Re: Bronze Forgotten Prisoner ...Info???
    « Reply #59 on: April 28, 2015, 08:36:29 PM »
    >In my work at the Toledo Museum of Art<

    Mark, a hearty welcome from this Defiance native!

    Very fond memories of the museum, which I led little mini-tours through as a High Schooler. It's a world-class place, that I was just speaking to another actor about last week (she's from Toledo.) Special faves of mine there were the mummy case, the El Greco paintings, the Franklin bust, and the Lincoln "Council of War" statue.

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