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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2018, 11:33:20 AM »
He was right about this. The Stones didn't have to follow the Beatles into the putrid psychedelic era. Pretentious, soulless, lacking in balls...what else?

Granted I much prefer the output of the Beatles from the 1963-66 years to their output from the 1967-70 years. But a lot of good music came out of the "psychedelic" era however defined. Among the bands I really like from that era are the Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Jimi Hendrix Experience, Spirit, Vanilla Fudge and Pink Floyd. Of course with the possible exception of the Doors I don't necessarily like everything those bands recorded.

With respect to Their Satanic Majesties Request specifically though, it was about the fifth Stones' album I bought but the first one I bought upon its release. Admittedly it was certainly the Rolling Stones' most experimental and thus controversial LP. It was critically panned for the most part upon its release and for years thereafter. Parts of it were painfully maudlin British dance-hall send-offs, e.g. Sing This All Together and On With the Show while other parts were nothing but self-indulgent, navel gazing crap, e.g. Gomper. The problem was that the band was not only distracted by the legal problems emanating from their drug busts, but they also lacked any semblance of the discipline required to do their jobs. Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and Brian Jones just wandered into the studio whenever they felt like it and they brought an entourage of girlfriends and hangers-on with them. Their manager and producer Andrew Loog Oldham found the job of getting the band members to focus and apply themselves in the studio to be completely beyond him and simply quit in disgust. In Mick Jagger's own words:

Quote from: Mick Jagger
There's a lot of rubbish on Satanic Majesties. Just too much time on our hands, too many drugs, no producer to tell us, "Enough already, thank you very much, now can we just get on with this song?" Anyone let loose in the studio will produce stuff like that. There was simply too much hanging around. It's like believing everything you do is great and not having any editing.

Indeed! Artists in any field need occasional or even frequent doses of discipline, whether self-imposed or externally imparted. Otherwise self-indulgence tends to creep into the mix with disastrous results.

But the LP still contained a bunch of really good tracks, ones I still very much enjoy today:

She's a Rainbow
2000 Light Years from Home
In Another Land
The Lantern
Citadel
2000 Man

I therefore think that Their Satanic Majesties Request is the Stones' most underrated album.

Gimme "Exile on Main St." anytime.

I also bought Exile on Main Street upon its release and I was very much disappointed. I found it muddy, disjointed, overwrought with blaring annoying horns and rather than simply singing the songs, Jagger was playing games with his voice throughout trying to sound black or something. "Oh cut out the posturing Mick and just sing the song!" It's a double LP and I like a whopping total of one song, that being Torn and Frayed! I therefore have to say it's the Stones' most overrated album. Moreover Exile also served to usher in a three album nadir for the Stones which included Goat's Head Soup and then It's Only Rock 'n Roll.

In any event, here's how I rate the Stones' albums from the 20th century:

1. Flowers
2. December's Children
3. Rolling Stones Now
4. Sticky Fingers
5. Beggars' Banquet
6. Let It Bleed
7. Their Satanic Majesties Request
8. Some Girls
9. Steel Wheels 
10. Between the Buttons(U.S. release)
11. Voodoo Lounge
12. Dirty Work
13. Out of Our Heads
14. Tattoo You
15. Black and Blue
16. Emotional Rescue
17. Aftermath(U.S. release)
18. Bridges to Babylon
18. England's Newest Hitmakers
19. 12 x 5
20. Exile on Main Street
21. Goat's Head Soup
22. It's Only Rock 'n Roll
23. Undercover

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2018, 12:05:03 PM »
 We have completely opposite tastes. I hate every song on SMR except Citadel. I never considered Hendrix or the Doors psychedelic. They were  rock bands with an artistic edge. Sorry, but Sgt. Peppers kitchen-sink overproduction killed it for me. The White Album completely made up for it. THAT was brilliant. My favorite band, of that era, was the Velvet Underground.  They were innovative without being overbearing. Then, the Stooges, the MC5....all the way to Patti Smith, the Ramones, the Clash, Sex Pistols, Misfits, White Stripes (talk about stripped down). Of course, Dylan was the master of gimic- free production values. He would walk into a studio, and wind up with a masterpiece in a week or so. I must admit, all this talk is futile. Music, like politics and religion, are what many people are obsessively passionate about. You will always like what represents your mindset, and I will go back and blast my Ramones records. Fair enough?

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2018, 12:15:21 PM »
Btw, Mick Jagger "trying to sound black or something" did not start with "Exile". You must have missed their first albums. The early Stones were ALL about black R&B, blues, soul, etc. Also, I thought the first few Beatles were too light and "boy-bandish" for me. I'll trade their hand-holding yeah, yeah, yeahs for the Kinks' "You Really Got Me" or the Who's "My Generation".

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2018, 12:56:47 PM »
Btw, Mick Jagger "trying to sound black or something" did not start with "Exile".


You're right. His clowning around with his voice first cropped up on some of the tracks from Beggars Banquet. It wasn't too bad yet though.

You must have missed their first albums. The early Stones were ALL about black R&B, blues, soul, etc.


I did not miss those albums. I had them all before Beggars Banquet was released. And yes, the Stones covered lots of R&B, blues and soul songs on those albums. But Mick Jagger just sung them straight. He wasn't constricting his vocal cords trying to sound like some other guy. Listen. His singing is honest and straight forward in these early covers:

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Fortune Teller

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Congratulations



Under the Boardwalk

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Off the Hook

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You Better Move On

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #94 on: January 10, 2018, 01:05:12 PM »
I never considered Hendrix or the Doors psychedelic.

That's because you decided a priori that you don't like psychedelic music. Therefore since you like the Jimi Hendrix Experience and the Doors, they can't be psychedelic in your mind.

Well more so than any other band, the Jimi Hendrix Experience defined psychedelic rock in 1967. And the Doors were close behind. So you like some psychedelic music. Live with it.

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« Reply #95 on: January 10, 2018, 01:09:50 PM »

Well more so than any other band, the Jimi Hendrix Experience defined psychedelic rock in 1967. And the Doors were close behind. So you like some psychedelic music. Live with it.

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I will not (just threw away all my Hendrix and Doors albums because of you).

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« Reply #96 on: January 10, 2018, 01:12:57 PM »
We have completely opposite tastes.... The White Album completely made up for it. THAT was brilliant.

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We really do have different tastes! I absolutely despise the Beatles' White Album! Most of it is middle-of-the-road pop pablum. It's full of maudlin British dance hall send-offs and painful self-indulgence. It's dead last on my list of Beatles' albums.

My three favourite Beatles' LPs are:

1. Rubber Soul
2. Beatles '65
3. Help(U.K. release)

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #97 on: January 10, 2018, 01:24:12 PM »
You are simply insane. Even Manson loved the White Album. You just prefer lightweight music. Who wouldn't love "Helter Skelter", Happiness is a Warm Gun", "Back in the U.S.S.R.", etc.?  The Beatles early sound was just too "girly" for me. Google "self indulgent" and you get pictures of the "Satanic Majesty's" and "Sgt. Peppers" lp covers.

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #98 on: January 10, 2018, 02:22:36 PM »
It's interesting as well that most appraisals of Their Satanic Majesties Request conclude with this or a similar statement:

Quote from: Wikipedia
Following the album's release, the Rolling Stones abandoned their psychedelic style for a stripped-down return to their roots in blues music.

It's one of those inaccuracies that's so frequently repeated that it acquires a life of its own. Worse yet it comes to be regarded as true!

But the Stones absolutely, positively did NOT return to their roots as a band playing stripped down blues after their release of Their Satanic Majesties Request!

1. Yes, their 1968 LP Beggars Banquet contained a number of very bluesy tracks, e.g. Prodigal Son, Stray Cat Blues, Parachute Woman, etc. But the following tracks from 1968 were easily trippy enough to have been on Their Satanic Majesties Request:

 Sympathy for the Devil
 Salt of the Earth
 Child of the Moon

2. And stripped down!!! What was so stripped down about their next three LPs? What was so stripped down about You Can't Always Get What You Want with its full-fledged boys' choir and all the (dreadful in my opinion) horns that started to appear on Sticky Fingers? In fact up to and including their 1969 tour the Stones appeared as a six piece with Ian Stewart off to the side on keyboards. Beginning in 1972 though they were forced to become a travelling circus with three or four horn players, about three backup singers and two keyboard players one of whom was manipulating the keys of a mellotron.

So stripped down blues after Their Satanic Majesties Request my ass! I want to strangle the dilettantes and merely casual Stones' fans who parrot this preposterous lie. I'd love to see a stripped down Stones band in concert these days, but methinks all my hope's in vain.

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #99 on: January 10, 2018, 02:33:26 PM »
The Beatles early sound was just too "girly" for me. Google "self indulgent" and you get pictures of the "Satanic Majesty's" and "Sgt. Peppers" lp covers.

When it comes to self-indulgent, the 8:22 in length Revolution 9 from the White Album takes the cake.

You just prefer lightweight music. Who wouldn't love "Helter Skelter", Happiness is a Warm Gun", "Back in the U.S.S.R.", etc.?

While Helter Skelter does have an edge, that's about all it has. And the rest of the White Album is maudlin and/or lightweight, especially in comparison to their earlier gems such as Rubber Soul and Revolver.

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #100 on: January 10, 2018, 03:06:54 PM »
Most of the Stones songs you mentioned (wjth the exemption of the heinous "Child of the Moon") were not psychedelic.  At one point, both bands discovered Dylan. He was the catalyst for the more intellectual approach to lyrics. The Stones best albums started with "Let it Bleed" and ended with the brilliantly alive "Some Girls". You never mention anything past the sixties. How about Bowie (caution, some horn use), Lou Reed, Clash, Sex Pistols. As a matter of fact, "Never Mind the Bullocks" is an example of perfection in rock n roll production. Chris Thomas sharpened the band into a sharp knife cutting through the excesses of the stale prog-rock flab. Why do you think that everybody is wrong, except yourself? Btw, "Flowers" was just an outtakes and b-sides  album released in the U.S.  to cash in on their success. Still, it was much better that SMR.
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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #101 on: January 10, 2018, 03:30:53 PM »

So stripped down blues after Their Satanic Majesties Request my ass! I want to strangle the dilettantes and merely casual Stones' fans who parrot this preposterous lie. I'd love to see a stripped down Stones band in concert these days, but methinks all my hope's in vain.

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I hope that I'M not being called a "casual Stones fan". I've owned every record from the first to "Tattoo You" (plus many bootlegs and singles). I've seen them live on many occasions starting with the '72 Exile tour. This is my 50th year as a Stones fan. You just may be the stick in the mud listening only to the mono stuff. I loved that and the harder edged 70s material. Mick Taylor was my favorite "fifth Stone".Their last album was a straight blues album. Even you might like it. My favorite British invasion band, though, were always The Kinks. Try to find one psychedelic bandwagon track on any of their albums.

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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #102 on: January 10, 2018, 03:35:53 PM »
Btw, what is your hang up with horns? Were you abused by a tuba as a child.
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Re: What are your dozen favourite tracks by the Rolling Stones?
« Reply #103 on: January 10, 2018, 04:21:56 PM »
You are simply insane.

Btw, what is your hang up with horns? Were you abused by a tuba as a child.

What the bloody hell is this? Why the personal insults when we're simply airing different opinions about music?

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Typically I don't like horns in rock music because I find them too overbearing in the context of rock.

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« Reply #104 on: January 10, 2018, 04:31:50 PM »
You never mention anything past the sixties.

Oh come on! My personal Forty Licks selection that I posted on the first page of this thread had lots of tracks on it from after the sixties. Here's the present version:

Tell Me
It's All Over Now
Heart of Stone
The Last Time
Play with Fire
(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction
As Tears Go By
19th Nervous Breakdown
Paint It Black
Mother's Little Helper
Lady Jane
Out of Time
Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, Standing in the Shadow?
Let's Spend the Night Together
Ruby Tuesday
Backstreet Girl
We Love You
She's a Rainbow
2000 Light Years from Home
2000 Man
Jumpin' Jack Flash
Child of the Moon
Sympathy for the Devil
Stray Cat Blues
Honky Tonk Women
Gimme Shelter
Midnight Rambler
Wild Horses
Brown Sugar
Bitch
Miss You
Beast of Burden
Shattered
She's So Cold
Start Me Up
Harlem Shuffle
One Hit to the Body
Mixed Emotions
Love Is Strong
Doom and Gloom

How about Bowie (caution, some horn use), Lou Reed, Clash, Sex Pistols.

And never is a long time. Yes, I really like David Bowie, and I like Lou Reed and the Sex Pistols as well. I dislike the Clash though because I think they betrayed the nihilist spirit of punk by injecting a political element into their music.

Here moreover is a very quick list of other (largely) post-sixties rock artists I really like:

Jethro Tull
Blondie
Led Zeppelin
Pink Floyd
Roxy Music
Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Santana
B-52's
Alice Cooper
Supertramp
Patti Smith Group
King Crimson
Gowan
Mott the Hoople
Goddo
Ramones
Bif Naked

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