UFOs for REAL?

[Sean]

George Taylor said it best:  There's GOT to be something better than man.

[FACTO2]

Yeah, but he blew up the planet.   

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Yeah, but he blew up the planet.   

no that's Tim "the toolman" Taylor 

George Taylor was killed at the Alamo..

[Mcdee]

Let me ask you this Mcdee....do you believe in Sasquatch? or Loch Ness? or even Perhaps the Werewolf of Wisconsin?
or what about the many sightings of alleged Ghosts?

Why would you throw in to a rather spirited discussion, all these other Paranormal possibilities...? This is known as trying to derail a conversation concerning UFO's, the topic at hand. I'm surprised you didn't throw 'Elvis sightings' into the mix  . Now don't get me wrong here,I keep an opened mind on many subjects and I'm sure there is compelling evidence in all the subjects you are trying to interject here. But having said that, let's return to the Topic of this Thread.
I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the testimony of such credible wittnesses only on the premise that I didn't like what they were saying, as John said "Sorry, but I'm going to side with the military people who have come forward to tell what they've seen." Both American and Soviet Astronauts have stepped forward and said the same thing that these gentlemen have disclosed, and as time marches forward I believe more and more testimony will be divulged to us. I DO consider the source of this material to be essential to the formulation of my opinion...and these wittnesses are pretty impressive...
Mcdee

[Toy Ranch]

[admin]Everyone, please be respectful of the beliefs of others.[/admin]

[Sean]

Wasn't Nude on the Moon a documentary?  There's your proof right there...

[Sean]

I just know that I'm not smart enough/ informed enough to rule it all out of hand.  PLENTY of stories seem ridiculous to me, YES... but do I honestly think I KNOW enough to dismiss everything out of hand? 

[BaronLatos35]

We haven't even been outside our solar system let alone our own galaxy yet and there are millions of solar systems/galaxies.

It is presumptuous to think there is no other intelligent life.

[Toy Ranch]

We haven't even been outside our solar system let alone our own galaxy yet and there are millions of solar systems/galaxies.

It is presumptuous to think there is no other intelligent life.

[admin]This is the type of statement I was specifically addressing (and there have been others). What is presumptuous according to your beliefs may not be that at all if you hold other beliefs. I do not want to lock this thread, but will do so if this topic can't be discussed without ad hominem attacks against those whose beliefs and/or opinions may not mirror yours (and in this instance, the term "yours" is not specific to BaronLatos35, but applies to everyone). Again, please be respectful of others and their beliefs and opinions.[/admin]

[Jscareshock]

Toy Ranch, you make some good points there.  We do have to respect each other's beliefs to get along even if we don't agree with them.

That is what i like about the UMA.  it is unique in that way unlike other monster websites!

[BaronLatos35]

I was not attacking anyone or their beliefs. I understand tone may be difficult to discern in text, but I assure you there was no negative vibes from my end.

I was not trying to offend anyone or their beliefs, I was just adding my thoughts in a discussion.

[Toy Ranch]

I was not attacking anyone or their beliefs. I understand tone may be difficult to discern in text, but I assure you there was no negative vibes from my end.

I was not trying to offend anyone or their beliefs, I was just adding my thoughts in a discussion.

[admin]"Tone" is not the issue. Websters defines presumptuous as: : overstepping due bounds (as of propriety or courtesy) : taking liberties Dictionary.com defines it as: 1. full of, characterized by, or showing presumption or readiness to presume in conduct or thought. 2. unwarrantedly or impertinently bold; forward. 3. Obsolete . presumptive. What you are saying is that anyone who doesn't agree with you is being presumptive. Someone else's beliefs may preclude the existence of life, or sentient life, outside our Earth, and unless it is discovered and absolutely proven to exist, their beliefs are totally valid and not presumptuous at all. If you were to say, "I believe that the Universe is so vast, it's virtually unfathomable that life doesn't exist elsewhere," then you are speaking of your own beliefs. If you make a statement that anyone who doesn't agree with you has a flawed thought process in this regard (which is the gist of your statement, and some others in this thread), you go past stating your opinion about the topic, and into expressing your opinion about the opinions of others. When you do that, anyone who doesn't believe that there is life elsewhere in the universe is insulted. Then they either go off feeling sad/mad/whatever, or they attack you for insulting their opinion, and it escalates from there. Respecting the beliefs and opinions of others doesn't mean not stating yours, it means that you should stay on the topic and not on the opinions and beliefs of others. [/admin]


And having said all that, I do it too sometimes, and I'm really NOT trying to pick on you, Baron.  I don't believe you were intentionally being provocative.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Why would you throw in to a rather spirited discussion, all these other Paranormal possibilities...? This is known as trying to derail a conversation concerning UFO's, the topic at hand.
Mcdee

My point is this Mcdee....you talk about credible witnesess like these Military officers, yet there are also sightings of all the Phenomenas
I listed, that have Military officers as witnesses too.
My point is, like Bigfoot...NO one will believe til there is BODY PROOF, heresay dont cut it. 

[Toy Ranch]

My point is this Mcdee....you talk about credible witnesess like these Military officers, yet there are also sightings of all the Phenomenas
I listed, that have Military officers as witnesses too.
My point is, like Bigfoot...NO one will believe til there is BODY PROOF, heresay dont cut it. 

Erm...  you don't have to have proof of something to believe it, Doc.  You have to have proof to know it.

[Opera Ghost]

Erm...  you don't have to have proof of something to believe it, Doc.  You have to have proof to know it.

Religion is an example of something which is faith based.