UFOs for REAL?

[Inkfink]

I want to believe too but, until I see some good evidence, UFOlogy is modern day mythology. It does say something that credible people are coming forward though.

If ET is real, a possible reason why the government isn't disclosing could be ET is so advanced ET regards us as we regard ants... Or they exist in a fundamentally different reality than ours (dimensional beings). Either way the government is powerless against them. To announce that would undermine the power of the government.

[FACTO2]

If ET is real, a possible reason why the government isn't disclosing could be ET is so advanced ET regards us as we regard ants...   

I think this is Hawking's view as well.  Nice planet.  Good location.  Lots of Sun.  Lots of water.  Why let an alien race that could wipe us out in the blink of an eye know we're here?

[Inkfink]

I think this is Hawking's view as well.  Nice planet.  Good location.  Lots of Sun.  Lots of water.  Why let an alien race that could wipe us out in the blink of an eye know we're here?

But I have a feeling ET knows where we are.

Maybe Lovecraft wasn't writing fiction.

[MDG]

If ET is real, a possible reason why the government isn't disclosing could be ET is so advanced ET regards us as we regard ants... Or they exist in a fundamentally different reality than ours (dimensional beings). Either way the government is powerless against them. To announce that would undermine the power of the government.

I've never seen the explanation of how the government got the aliens to go along with the idea of staying hidden.

[Wicked Lester]

From what I have read over the last 30 years the U.S government is one of the few powerful ones that totally deny any existence of "life out there".

You REALLY think that Egyptian slaves built the pyramids on their own with the massive mathematical formulas/time and energy needed to do this?

That is only a drop in the bucket. 

[Inkfink]

I've never seen the explanation of how the government got the aliens to go along with the idea of staying hidden.

That's the thing. The aliens do whatever they want. The government is aware of their existence and are powerless to do anything about it. That is what the government is keeping secret. There is no communication between the government and the aliens. The ball is really in the alien's court if they decide to make themselves known. When that happens, there's not much the government can do.

Image we're an ant hill. One day the lawnmower will come.

Of course, that's assuming the aliens are real.

[Fester]

Actually, the Pyramids were not built by slaves.  That was an early 19th century supposition by Bible "scholars" who were trying to define what the Children of Israel were doing while enslaved in Egypt. The surviving Egyptian records make no mention of Israeli slaves.

We know enough from the ancient Egyptian records that the Pyramids were built by construction crews fed and paid by their government. Archaeologists have even found graffiti left behind by construction crews saying the Egyptian version of:  "Our team is Number One!  The other crews suck!" There are the remains of massive work camps including apartments, bakeries, breweries, and markets that supported the construction crews.

The skills needed to create those structures require little more than high school level math.  The necessary geometry was well known then.  And the Egyptians were master surveyors.  They had to be: every year, after the annual flooding of the Nile, they had to redraw property lines.

The incredible amount of precision often cited by the Art Bell/GeorgeNoory/AM radio "experts" is not so extraordinary.  We really have no way of knowing precisely the dimensions of the pyramids, because today, all that remains is the inner construction.  The smooth limestone casing is long gone, "precise" measurements are unlikely at best.  

Also: most people into the Pyramid -Alien connection never mention the earlier style pyramids which clearly demonstrate the evolution the structure.  The earliest were step pyramids, which look like a series of boxes stacked upon each other.  And they never mention the Bent Pyramid. Pharaoh Sneferu, about 2600 BC, ended up with a defective one: The lower part of the pyramid rises from the desert at a 55-degree inclination, but the top section is built at the shallower angle of 43 degrees, lending the pyramid its very obvious "bent" appearance.  Guess the Aliens blew that one!

[Wicked Lester]

Fester,let me ask you one question. Back a few years ago on I believe the history channel there was a challenge for top engineers and modern high tech equipment crews to try to duplicate the accuracy of the ancient pyramids. They came kinda close but couldn't match it. Why not if the math involved is low level college and the equipment is top notch verses manual. I'm interested in your answer but doubt I'll ever be convinced that the ancient Egyptians didn't have some "help"

[Fester]

Here goes.
Consider the source:  the History Channel has spread more BS to the masses than any other means save perhaps the internet and Coast To Coast AM.  I do not recall seeing the program in question,  however, judging from what usually airs on the History Channel, the program probably started out with a premise and selected "facts" to support their premise (the definition of pseudoscience).  Several years ago, NOVA, a science program on PBS, created a fine model of a pyramid using the same type of stone and hiring a dozen or so Egyptian stone masons to use some rope, copper and stone tools,  and a few ramps made of dirt.

I would suspect the History Channel's high tech construction crews could not have replicated a Medieval cathedral or a Minoan Tholos tomb or even a first century Roman aqueduct.  If they are experts in 21st  century construction techniques (concrete, steel, re bar, etc) there is no reason that they could understand First Millennium BC stonework.
The Math involved was being taught by Pythagoras of Samos around 500 BC.  And it was old then--Sumerian texts from the 3000 BC discuss it.

The real problem I have with the Ancient Astronaut explanation is the implication that Human beings are too dumb to have accomplished anything significant without some space alien turning up and showing them how.  I find that condescending attitude insulting to our entire species.

[FACTO2]

Archaeologists have even found graffiti left behind by construction crews saying the Egyptian version of:  "Our team is Number One!  The other crews suck!"  /quote]

See, that's what happens when you hire non union workers.   

I'm sorry for the joke but this seemed to be getting rather heated.  Thought the joke would allow everyone to let off some steam.   

[FACTO2]

Hmm, Wonder how I screwed that up.  Was supposed to be Fester's quote with a response.  It must have been aliens.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

Actually, the Pyramids were built by the Children of Israel, and other slaves...

There Fester I fixed yer post, it had a few mistakes, but now it's 100 % right on in my Book. 

[Gillman-Fan]

As far as I'm concerned, UFO's don't necessarily have to be of alien origin. Plenty of terrestrial weirdness being worked on by various governments/military entities.

Alien life forms most certainly exist. It's simple math when you consider the size of the Universe. Aliens could be living among us right now and not be visible due to the limited spectrum of light we can see.

[Fester]

Hmm, Wonder how I screwed that up.  Was supposed to be Fester's quote with a response.  It must have been aliens.

NO DOUBT!

Now for some strange reason, I'm in the mood to watch me some Egyptians and Aliens!

I've got it!  I'm firing up the popcorn popper (proof of Alien Technology-- did you ever see an "Orville Reddenbacker" in person?) and heading off to watch The Fifth Element.

[Dr.Teufel Geist]

NO DOUBT!

Now for some strange reason, I'm in the mood to watch me some Egyptians and Aliens!

I've got it!  I'm firing up the popcorn popper (proof of Alien Technology-- did you ever see an "Orville Reddenbacker" in person?) and heading off to watch The Fifth Element.

Stargate with Kurt Russell would be closer...