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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2010, 06:59:15 PM »

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A rock hard stalactite I believe. Now, considering the low esteem in which Shatner's co-stars held him, how likely do you think it is that the CREW on Star Trek hated him enough to pull this awesome gag on him during filming?? LOL!!!

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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2010, 07:04:53 PM »
A rock hard stalactite I believe. Now, considering the low esteem in which Shatner's co-stars held him, how likely do you think it is that the CREW on Star Trek hated him enough to pull this awesome gag on him during filming?? LOL!!!

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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2010, 07:37:48 PM »
I'm not wanting to spoil anyone's beliefs here, as I LOVE the whole Sasquatch mythos and part of me hopes it's all true, but I've spoken to both Joe Dante and William Stout about the Patterson Bigfoot footage, and it's my understanding that it was an in-joke/hoax put together by some young Hollywood film makers at the time. They all agreed to keep it a secret for an undetermined period of time. My understanding is that John Chambers ( make-up designer for "The Planet of the Apes") was involved in creating the suit and future director John Landis was there during the shooting. Forry Ackerman knew about the whole thing and took the secret to his grave, but he gave a wink and a nod to Bill Stout at a party when asked about the truth of the matter.

Now, I wasn't there, and I'm no authority on the footage. There are a lot of stories surrounding the footage. I'm not even sure I should be talking about it, but since I'm really nobody and don't really know anything except things I've heard at conventions and at parties, I don't think my comments here will change anyone's mind on the subject.

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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2010, 07:42:06 PM »
I'm not wanting to spoil anyone's beliefs here, as I LOVE the whole Sasquatch mythos and part of me hopes it's all true, but I've spoken to both Joe Dante and William Stout about the Patterson Bigfoot footage, and it's my understanding that it was an in-joke/hoax put together by some young Hollywood film makers at the time. They all agreed to keep it a secret for an undetermined period of time. My understanding is that John Chambers ( make-up designer for "The Planet of the Apes") was involved in creating the suit and future director John Landis was there during the shooting. Forry Ackerman knew about the whole thing and took the secret to his grave, but he gave a wink and a nod to Bill Stout at a party when asked about the truth of the matter.

Now, I wasn't there, and I'm no authority on the footage. There are a lot of stories surrounding the footage. I'm not even sure I should be talking about it, but since I'm really nobody and don't really know anything except things I've heard at conventions and at parties, I don't think my comments here will change anyone's mind on the subject.

Long live Bigfoot!

I would like to hear some more. Can you P.M. me....and tell me a few?
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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2010, 07:50:04 PM »
I'm not wanting to spoil anyone's beliefs here, as I LOVE the whole Sasquatch mythos and part of me hopes it's all true, but I've spoken to both Joe Dante and William Stout about the Patterson Bigfoot footage, and it's my understanding that it was an in-joke/hoax put together by some young Hollywood film makers at the time. They all agreed to keep it a secret for an undetermined period of time. My understanding is that John Chambers ( make-up designer for "The Planet of the Apes") was involved in creating the suit and future director John Landis was there during the shooting. Forry Ackerman knew about the whole thing and took the secret to his grave, but he gave a wink and a nod to Bill Stout at a party when asked about the truth of the matter.

Now, I wasn't there, and I'm no authority on the footage. There are a lot of stories surrounding the footage. I'm not even sure I should be talking about it, but since I'm really nobody and don't really know anything except things I've heard at conventions and at parties, I don't think my comments here will change anyone's mind on the subject.

Long live Bigfoot!

Allow me to re-kindle your hopes.......John Chambers has stated many times that the hoax is on Dante and Stout.

HOLLYWOOD'S CLAIM ON PATTERSON BIGFOOT FILM DENIED
"Planet of the Apes" Special Effects Designer Says He Didn't Do It

The November 1, 1997 edition of CNI News carried a story alleging that Oscar-winning Hollywood special effects wizard, John "Planet of the Apes" Chambers, was responsible for creating a costume featured in the famous Bigfoot film footage shot by Roger Patterson in 1967. The claim for Chambers' authorship of the alleged costume was attributed to respected film director John Landis and was reportedly supported by numerous artists within the special effects industry.

However, new information from Brian Penikas, Creative Director for a company called Makeup & Monsters, puts to rest the theory that Chambers had any hand in the Patterson film. Penikas writes:

"Recently my crew and I were involved in a surprise 75th birthday tribute to Mr. Chambers, for which 9 of us recreated a parody skit re-enacting characters from the Ape movies. Mr. Chambers and the rest of the guests, many of whom were survivors of the Apes saga, were wonderfully surprised.

"I had only met Mr. Chambers briefly prior to the surprise party, and the opportunity to discuss the "suit" rumor was not high on my agenda... This past Saturday [October 25, 1997], however, the cast of the Apes birthday skit went back (sans costumes and makeup) to visit with Mr. Chambers and his wife... [This] was our chance to truly and finally confront Mr. Chambers about these rumors and stories about him being involved in the Patterson film project.

"Mr. Chambers told his story, on video tape, to us to set the record straight. I now have pictures of the suit that Chambers did make and you can rest assured that it is NOT the famous Patterson Bigfoot. In fact, it's not a suit AT ALL. It is an 8 foot tall plaster dummy of actor Richard "Jaws" Keil that was built (in 4 days) as a prop for a travelling carnival to be billed as "Bigfoot's Body" or some such sideshow attraction, and was apparently displayed in a coffin. That's all. Just a solid, 800-pound prop.

"Mr. Chambers did say (in regards to the Patterson footage) that he and his crew wished they had done it, because they would have done it differently. I believe his exact words were, jokingly, 'We could've done better.'

"So there you have it... We can all smile with relief that the Patterson footage is still the most convincing proof of our great folk legend's existence, and that it still has not been debunked.

"I want that film to be real just as much as the next guy," Penikas said in conclusion.
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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #20 on: August 27, 2010, 07:52:17 PM »
Forever Linked to Bigfoot: John Chambers Passes Away
by Loren Coleman


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John Chambers, who once created a Bigfoot carnival prop and was rumored to be behind the Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot footage, died of diabetes complications, 25 August 2001, at the Motion Picture and Television Fund retirement home in Woodland Hills. He was 78.

For years, a rumor had circulated that Chambers, famed Academy Award-winning Hollywood special effects man, manufactured the suit allegedly worn by the Bigfoot pictured in the famed Patterson-Gimlin Film which spawned renewed interest in the creature.

The controversy peaked on the thirtieth anniversary of the filming when press accounts from around the world recycled this rumor without benefit of a personal interview with Chambers. Typical of the headlines is one that appeared in London's Sunday Telegraph for October 19, 1997: "Hollywood admits to Bigfoot hoax." The article, timed to the anniversary of reads in part: "A piece of film, which for 30 years has been regarded as the most compelling evidence for the existence of Bigfoot, the North American 'abominable snowman', is a hoax, according to new claims. John Chambers, the man behind the Planet of the Apes films and the elder statesman of Hollywood's 'monster-makers', has been named by a group of Hollywood make-up artists as the person who faked Bigfoot.

"In an interview with Scott Essman, an American journalist, the veteran Hollywood director John Landis...said: 'That famous piece of film of Bigfoot walking in the woods that was touted as the real thing was just a suit made by John Chambers.' He said he learned the information while working alongside Mr Chambers on Beneath the Planet of the Apes in 1970."

But the truth of the matter apparently lived beyond the Hollywood rumor mill.

On October 26, 1997, California Bigfoot researcher and nurse Bobbie Short interviewed Chambers, then living in seclusion in a Los Angeles nursing home. The make-up artist insisted he had no prior knowledge of Roger Patterson or Bob Gimlin before their claimed Bigfoot encounter on October 20, 1967. He also denied having anything to do with creating the suit, and blamed the Hollywood rumor mill. Chambers went on to say that he was "good" but he "was not that good" to have fashioned anything nearly so convincing as the Bluff Creek Bigfoot.

As stated in the press at the time, the well-known movie director John Landis claimed that Chambers not only made the Patterson suit but helped make the film. For just as long people have pointed to Landis as the one from whom they heard the story, not Chambers. But Chambers himself said the only Bigfoot he made was the "Burbank Bigfoot," a large stone prop intended to imitate a real Bigfootlike creature and used for a carnival tour. Some even speculated that Chambers was involved with constructing the Minnesota Iceman, shown in Midwestern state and stock fairs by Frank Hansen, beginning in 1967. The Burbank Bigfoot, however, appears to be the only "Bigfoot" Chambers ever created.

During his 30-year career, Chambers worked on several movies and television shows, including TV's "The Outer Limits," "The Munsters," "Lost in Space" and "Mission Impossible." Chambers was responsible for putting the pointy ears on "Star Trek's" Mr. Spock. His makeup and prosthetics film credits included "National Lampoon's Class Reunion" (1982), "Halloween II" (1981), "The Island of Dr. Moreau" (1977), "SSSSSSS" (1973), "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" (1973), "Superbeast" (1972), "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" (1972), "Slaughterhouse-Five" (1972), "Escape from the Planet of the Apes" (1971), "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" (1970), "Planet of the Apes" (1968), "The List of Adrian Messenger" (1963), and "Showdown at Boot Hill" (1958).

John Chambers is best known, however, for designing the anthropoids in the original "Planet of the Apes." When he worked on "Planet of the Apes" in the 1960s, Chambers recalled in a recent Assoicated Press interview how he spent hours at the Los Angeles Zoo doing research.

"It was the best way I could think of for capturing the elastic facial expressions of the apes," he said.

The Associated Press noted that his preparation led him to develop a new type of foam rubber that was easier to work with than the material commonly used at the time. He also created facial appliances that could be attached to actors' faces to form primate features. For his efforts he became only the second makeup artist to receive an honorary Academy Award. A competitive category for makeup was established in the 1980s.

Considering the timing of the filming of the Patterson-Gimlin footage in 1967, many skeptics of the film naturally looked to Chambers as the source of the fully-haired upright primate in the film. Critics of the film's debunkers would later point out that the original "Planet of the Apes" costumes were not full-body suits, but mostly rigid facial and upper torso gear.

Intriguingly, Chambers' first of only a few acting appearances was in a 1971 movie about a California Bigfoot that terrorized co-eds. The film, "Schlock" was directed by John Landis, who also played the film's very thin Bigfoot. Chambers played the National Guard Captain in the film. Chambers' student, Rick Baker, who one day would create Harry in "Harry and the Hendersons," did the makeup and created the Bigfoot in Schlock.

John Chambers' name will forever be linked to Bigfoot, no matter the realities behind the rumors.

© 2001 Loren Coleman

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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #21 on: August 27, 2010, 07:52:58 PM »
Allow me to re-kindle your hopes.......John Chambers has stated many times that the hoax is on Dante and Stout.

HOLLYWOOD'S CLAIM ON PATTERSON BIGFOOT FILM DENIED
"Planet of the Apes" Special Effects Designer Says He Didn't Do It

The November 1, 1997 edition of CNI News carried a story alleging that Oscar-winning Hollywood special effects wizard, John "Planet of the Apes" Chambers, was responsible for creating a costume featured in the famous Bigfoot film footage shot by Roger Patterson in 1967. The claim for Chambers' authorship of the alleged costume was attributed to respected film director John Landis and was reportedly supported by numerous artists within the special effects industry.

However, new information from Brian Penikas, Creative Director for a company called Makeup & Monsters, puts to rest the theory that Chambers had any hand in the Patterson film. Penikas writes:

"Recently my crew and I were involved in a surprise 75th birthday tribute to Mr. Chambers, for which 9 of us recreated a parody skit re-enacting characters from the Ape movies. Mr. Chambers and the rest of the guests, many of whom were survivors of the Apes saga, were wonderfully surprised.

"I had only met Mr. Chambers briefly prior to the surprise party, and the opportunity to discuss the "suit" rumor was not high on my agenda... This past Saturday [October 25, 1997], however, the cast of the Apes birthday skit went back (sans costumes and makeup) to visit with Mr. Chambers and his wife... [This] was our chance to truly and finally confront Mr. Chambers about these rumors and stories about him being involved in the Patterson film project.

"Mr. Chambers told his story, on video tape, to us to set the record straight. I now have pictures of the suit that Chambers did make and you can rest assured that it is NOT the famous Patterson Bigfoot. In fact, it's not a suit AT ALL. It is an 8 foot tall plaster dummy of actor Richard "Jaws" Keil that was built (in 4 days) as a prop for a travelling carnival to be billed as "Bigfoot's Body" or some such sideshow attraction, and was apparently displayed in a coffin. That's all. Just a solid, 800-pound prop.

"Mr. Chambers did say (in regards to the Patterson footage) that he and his crew wished they had done it, because they would have done it differently. I believe his exact words were, jokingly, 'We could've done better.'

"So there you have it... We can all smile with relief that the Patterson footage is still the most convincing proof of our great folk legend's existence, and that it still has not been debunked.

"I want that film to be real just as much as the next guy," Penikas said in conclusion.



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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #22 on: August 27, 2010, 07:56:34 PM »

John Chambers
Born    12 September, 1923
Died    25 August, 2001
Gender    Male
Roles    Creative Makeup Designer
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First Production: Planet of the Apes

Last Production: Battle for the Planet of the Apes


John Chambers (born in Chicago, Illinois) was a famous make-up artist who became a veteran in both television and film. One of the most imaginative and resourceful of makeup artists, Chambers was a graduate commercial artist, who also studied and worked in sculpture. In World War II, he learned techniques in plastic and rubber chemistry for prosthetic work, creating artificial eyes, ears, noses, etc., for returning veterans. After prosthetic lab work for the Illinois government, he went to Hollywood and worked at NBC-TV studios. He continued to do prosthesis work in his garage laboratory, and was involved with several hospitals and research centers in developing and lecturing on techniques of medical restoration. Known as the ghost laboratory man, he worked on many television series, including Outer Limits (the domed head for David McCallum in The Sixth Finger), The Munsters, The Invaders, Star Trek (the pointed ears worn by Leonard Nimoy), Lost In Space, and Night Gallery. For movies, he created the masks for The List Of Adrian Messenger, Tony Curtis' false nose in The Boston Strangler, Richard Harris' false chest in A Man Called Horse, and the dog's head and plaster casts for The Mephisto Waltz. Although he worked on some of the sleeper movies such as his first movie, Around the World in Eighty Days, Phantom of the Paradise and Halloween II, his work became known worldwide in the Planet of the Apes series of movies, for which he won a Special Academy Award. [1]


John Chambers was not involved in the initial stages of the developement of the makeup for Planet of the Apes - the early screen test made to convince the board of 20th Century Fox of the viability of an Apes movie featured makeup by Fox's Ben Nye, as Chambers recalled: "At Fox, they had done a little test with the first person who tried out, and that was Edward G. Robinson. He was fabulous as Zaius (Maurice Evans was marvelous in the final casting), and I loved the way he did it. The makeup was crude, but they had a semblance of what they wanted. That's how the one concept was started." "I was in Madrid, changing Bob Culp into a mandarin for I Spy, when Ben Nye called from Fox asking me to go to London to check out a system of making ape appliances which would allow facial manipulation. This was six months before the start of shooting. We then had to determine what the makeup concept would be." "When I went into it, the producer (Arthur P. Jacobs) and his associate (Mort Abrahams), had a concept of a neanderthal type, where he was fringing more on the human than the animal." "I read the script, and agreed with the director, Franklin Schaffner, that the apes should not be made to look like hair-faced human beings - they should be animals, apes, with perhaps some minor concessions here and there. In other words, we carried the evolutionary process only very slightly beyond what you might call 'basic ape'. To arrive at our final concept for the three ape types - chimpanzee, orangutan, and gorilla - we resorted to a good deal of sculpture. We would take a basic human head in plaster, and then in clay, model on this head our ape variations. We came up with things looking like the Neanderthal Man and so forth, which we discarded. The concepts were too ambiguous - they lacked the strength of the animal face and personality. We needed the pleasantness, yet the strength, of the animal without being too grotesque."[1]


Tom Burman, Chambers assistant during the planning of Planet of the Apes, claims he was working on a sculpture in a back room of the makeup lab when Fox executives were viewing John Chambers' ape sculpts. Unhappy with Chambers' presentation, they were leaving when they saw Burman's work. He wasn't very experienced at sculpting, and as a result it was a very 'human-looking' ape, but that was the look they liked. After banning Burman from the lab for a week, Chambers grudgingly allowed him to come back, and Chambers, Burman and Dan Striepeke decided that the fact that these apes had evolved beyond present-day apes was the reason they looked the way they did. Chambers began experimenting along lines that had been previously used by Jack Dawn when creating the characters for The Wizard Of Oz; to turn Bert Lahr into the 'Cowardly Lion' demanded that Lahr would still have complete use of his face for comedy effects, while the entire shape of his head was altered and exaggerated. Dawn had solved the problem by designing a single appliance that fitted over Lahr’s brow-ridge, nose and cheeks, enabling Dawn to insert freckles, whiskers, lion-like jowels and a cat-like nose all with one appliance. Chamber's earliest efforts began with a series of life-masks. For some reason it was felt that oriental features would best fill Chamber's requirements, and so the first actors he fitted were orientals. Over a life-mask, Chambers began to design, in clay, a single appliance much like that used by Jack Dawn.[2] Chambers was the first makeup artist to budget a feature motion picture for $1,000,000.


Even with the backing of a major studio, Chambers was absolutely determined that the ape makeup should be as perfect as it could be, using his extraordinary attention to detail to avoid the possibility of it becoming a comedy sci-fi film. "We had to invent a manner of makeup which allowed the dialogue to sound natural - and not as though it was coming from a cavern somewhere inside the ape's body. Our final concept involved our modifying the simian wrinkles so they did not appear too grotesque. It wasn't that we wanted to beautify it, but also we did not want it so grotesque that it would distract from the story." "When I sanctioned to do the first film, I had to have conditions... I felt there were areas where I had to maintain director and camera control. We had to confer if I felt the shot was not good for the makeup. If the acting or the shot, no matter how good it was, wasn't done properly for the makeup, it would have to be redone. There were very few faults in the makeup on the first one because I was on the set every day." "Before production, I was training people to [apply the makeup] in six hours, then five hours, down to three-to-three and a half. Then, I knew that anywhere from two-to-three hours, some of the makeup men would be finished, and I said, three hours for each makeup. If I saw anyone rushing, they had to curtail that. I maintained quality as much as I could in the first one. I kept an eagle-eye control."[1]


On Beneath the Planet of the Apes, Chambers had the extra task of creating the makeup of the radiation-scarred mutant humans. Director Ted Post was apparently responsible for the final makeup concept for the mutants in the film. After the studio spending thousands of dollars and several artists trying to find the right look for the mutants, Post remembered a drawing from a medical text entitled 'Gray's Anatomy', in which was printed a vivid picture of a man's head, with the top layer of epidermis removed. For some reason, he never forgot that picture and suggested the idea to Dan Striepeke and John Chambers, who said: "This was a full, soft foam-rubber head appliance, and I used silicone adhesives to blend it out. In the ape appliances, there were small pieces, a chin, a muzzle, and a forehead, and the rest was face hair and a wig. It took more time to blend the edges there, but the mutants were already made up, and the only extra makeup we used was around the eyes and mouth. So we took two hours, average, on those."[1]


Chambers was among those suspected of creating the Sasquatch in the famous Patterson/Gimlin 'Bigfoot' film from October 1967, but he denied this. The rumours seem to have originated with actor/director John Landis, who briefly appeared in Battle for the Planet of the Apes. Landis started out as a mail boy at Fox and used to visit Chambers in his lab, and he then cast Chambers in his sci-fi spoof directorial debut movie Schlock (1973). Chambers had a cameo in one scene playing a captain of the National Guard, while future 'Planet of the Apes (2001)' makeup artist Rick Baker played one of the many National Guardsmen. Baker impressed Chambers with his makeup work on that movie, where he created the ape-like 'Schlockthropus', played by Landis himself. Chambers did in fact create the 'Burbank Bigfoot' - a large plaster prop intended to imitate a real Bigfoot-like creature for showman Jerry Malone's carnival tour - from a body-cast of actor Richard Kiel while working in partnership with 'Don Post Studios' in the 1960s. He also advised showman Frank Hansen to take his 'Ice Man' concept to Howard Ball and Werner Keppler, and engineered and designed a gorilla for a wax museum in Canada during this time, all of which may have contributed to the well-known rumour. Rick Baker, a close friend of John Landis, was also known to have informed people that Chambers was responsible for the Patterson/Gimlin 'Bigfoot' but has more recently admitted he was probably mistaken. (See also: ape costume expert Janos Prohaska's opinion of the famous footage.)
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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #23 on: August 27, 2010, 08:02:01 PM »
Scatter, thank you for posting this information. John Chambers was an Outstanding
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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #24 on: August 27, 2010, 08:25:21 PM »
Well, there you go. Good myths can never really be debunked. It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma. That's great journalistic information, Scatter. Thanks! Personally, I like the world better with some mystery still left in it anyway.

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« Reply #25 on: August 27, 2010, 08:59:05 PM »
Well, there you go. Good myths can never really be debunked. It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma. That's great journalistic information, Scatter. Thanks! Personally, I like the world better with some mystery still left in it anyway.

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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2010, 10:43:00 PM »
If anyone really wants to go in-depth on this, I'd recommend checking out this topic on the Bigfoot Forums: http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?s=07dca6f9bd16639e29d78cd1d6c19761&showforum=35.

Sculptor/efx man Bill Munns does some very intensive analysis of the Patterson footage. It's interesting stuff, although I'm still not convinced one way or the other.

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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2010, 08:46:51 AM »

What the **** is Capt. Kirk Holding?!? A (bleep)!!!!!

SERIOUSLY.  Why don't I remember this episode as being known as The Giant **** episode?  No wonder Kirk can go where no man has gone.  BOLDLY, no less.

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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #28 on: August 30, 2010, 11:36:47 AM »
Bigfoot is in Hollywood now.  I see him all the time in the Messing with Sasquatch Beef Jerky commercials...   ;D

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Re: Pattersons Bigfoot Exposed?
« Reply #29 on: August 30, 2010, 11:49:09 AM »
MY SIDE ...I LOVE TO SEE AND WATCH ABOUT BIGFOOT BUT THREW OUT THE YEARS NO ONE HAS BEEN ATTACK ....OR KILLED ...OR ANY TRACE OF BIGFOOT crap WOULD HAVE TO BE A GOOD SIZE PILE..... OR ANY DEAD BIGFOOT'S FAMILY......SO TILL THEN BIGFOOT IS DEAD........ICEMAN...........

 

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