Star Trek: Generations

Started by BlackLagoon, July 04, 2012, 08:56:43 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

BlackLagoon

This movie has been in rotation lately on HBO and quite frankly if they showed it every day I'd probably sit for a minute to watch some.

I absolutely love this film--I was never a hardcore Trek guy but I began to enjoy TNG a bit through middle school and afterwards. I can remember when this film came out and I thought the concept behind the Nexus was brilliant, Soran was a villian I had pity for and the idea of Kirk and JLP together was absolutely epic.

I still feel a bit bad for Soran....and I think there would be a good number of people who would knowingly stay in the Nexus.

Anyway I love this movie and it pretty much solidified me as a Star Trek fan...anyone else??
"I send my murdergram to all the monster kids, it comes right back to me, signed in their parents blood"

Zackuth

I've been a Trek fan since the 70's.  I think the film is great!!!  I have enjoyed, in varying degrees, all the Trek films.  Series wise, I think the best was DS9, and my least favorite series was Voyager.
"Listen to them; the children of the night.  What music they make!"  Dracula

CreepysFan

     ST:Generations was one of the films I did like.  I'd never have left the Nexus.  Kind of surprised Kirks paradise was a farm house, and not an inter-galactic harem.  Huge fan of original series, and like NG and DS9.  Hated Voyager and Enterprise.
" THIS BLANKET IS A NECESSITY.  IT KEEPS ME FROM CRACKING UP." - LINUS VAN PELT

monsterphile

I just rewatched this movie last week.  I liked it well enough, but think that Malcolm McDowell could have been used more effectvely as a villain.  I think it's main purpose as a film was to hand the movies over to the Next Generation cast.  There are episodes from all incarnations of Star Trek that I loved and some that were far from stellar (no pun intended).  I hope that the franchise continues because I love the whole Trek concept.  My Hallmark Star Trek starship ornaments are hanging above my head as I type this.


Rob

RedKing

Definitely a good movie and seeing Kirk and Picard together was a fanboy dream! I've been a Trek fan since the mid 70s when I saw the Filmation cartoon and later the Original series in reruns. I enjoyed all the series to a greater or lesser degree but TOS and NG are head and shoulders the best. The one thing I didn't like was Kirk's death, though luckily Shatner himself wrote a series of novels where Kirk is brought back to life by Borg nanites and lives quite a few adventures in the NG time period.
Crazy am I? We'll see if I'm crazy or not!

BlackLagoon

Quote from: RedKing on July 07, 2012, 04:53:37 PM
The one thing I didn't like was Kirk's death, though luckily Shatner himself wrote a series of novels where Kirk is brought back to life by Borg nanites and lives quite a few adventures in the NG time period.

I had no idea about that, that sounds awesome! I'd love Kirk side by side with the NG crew!
"I send my murdergram to all the monster kids, it comes right back to me, signed in their parents blood"

RedKing

They're great books and they feature not just the NG crew, but Spock, Dr McCoy(who is ancient), Scotty and various members from the other series. My favorite ones featured a 3 or 4 book arc involving the Mirror Universe where the evil Kirk had become Emperor but got the Earth fried by a Klingon/Cardassian alliance and now wanted to take over the normal Trekverse and kill Kirk.
Crazy am I? We'll see if I'm crazy or not!

BlackLagoon

I would love to see that adapted into a comic book. The new Star Trek comic sells pretty well but it seems like it takes off from the current rebooted movie, which I really enjoyed, I just wanted TOS in my comic.

There was a mini-series that I have that just ended, Star Trek meets the Legion Of Super Heroes...it was done in classic TOS fashion and the art resembled the original crew. Lots of fun....would've been great had they thrown TNG into the mix.
"I send my murdergram to all the monster kids, it comes right back to me, signed in their parents blood"

LP_Quagmire

#8
     To me, the NEXT GEN. movies represent a missed opportunity, with STAR TREK: INSURRECTION the only real winner in the bunch.  GENERATIONS might have had potential had it not been rushed into production so soon after the series left the air.  The real problem with the movie lies in its failed attempt to tie the old with the new; the opening scene when Kirk, Soctty, and Chekov arrive to celebrate the launch of a new Enterprise is rather impressive, and here at least, the classic TREK characters ring true.  By the time Kirk reappears with a half-hour to go however, he's unrecognizable; now he's living out his days chopping wood and playing house with the love of his life, the heretofore unmentioned Montoya (that's right, Edith Keelor and Carol Marcus have nothing on this offscreen firecracker!).  Worst of all, unlike Mr. Spock's demise in STAR TREK II, Kirk's death in GENERATIONS plays like an afterthought, completely devoid of the power and pathos of the Vulcan's dying moments.  Whereas  STAR TREK II builds to the loss of a beloved character, Kirk's demise feels perfunctory, a necessary occurrence to be dispensed with so the NEXT GENERATION crew can go about their business in a follow-up film unburdened by the history of the original series.   A shame!

     I've already noted my appreciation for STAR TREK: INSURRECTION.  For me, this third NEXT GENERATION movie is the one that best encapsulates creator Gene Roddenberry's vision of a bright and promising future, and the film that plays most like a NEXT GEN. episode.  Ironic then, that that comforting familiarity would result in a picture that was roundly criticized for being little more than a two-part episode blown up to feature dimensions, when such criticism is doubly true of the critically lauded FIRST CONTACT, which is little more than the episode BEST OF BOTH WORLDS scaled up for movie screens.  While many fans remember that episode as the high point of the NEXT GEN. series, fact is, The Borg were never more menacing than in their first appearance in the thrilling "Q Who?" That episode marked the first and only time we see the Federation lose, and with each successive appearance The Borg became a little less interesting and a little more neutered.  They quickly became the "go-to" villain whenever the show seemed to need a boost in the ratings, and without Jeri Ryan's sexy Seven of Nine it's unlikely STAR TREK: VOYAGER would have enjoyed a seven-year run.   FIRST CONTACT was also guilty of repeating GENERATIONS' gaffe of taking a character from classic TREK (Zefram Cochran) and rendering him virtually unrecognizable, both physically and behaviorally.  This allowed the writers to indulge in an unfortunate hallmark of NEXT GENERATION'S television run: off-setting a dramatically intense "A" story (The Borg), with a lesser "B" story (Cochran's), played largely for laughs.  Because of this, FIRST CONTACT has a very inconsistent tone, swinging wildly from dark, foreboding drama one minute to broad comedy the next.  Conversely, INSURRECTION is far less problematic in maintaining a consistent sense of drama once the real action starts.

     The less said about STAR TREK: NEMESIS the better...   
"From thy wedding with the creature who touches Heaven, lady God preserve thee..." -- Jeff Bridges in KING KONG