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Title: Whats wrong with these pictures.....??!!!
Post by: Nightmares in plastic on January 12, 2009, 06:20:36 PM

NEW REVELL FRANKENSTEIN RE-RELEASE

NEW REVELL DRACULA RE-RELEASE

Different head, diffrent hand - If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Rainer E.

Edit 1/27/2009: Looks like this Dracula head "replacement is history again:
Here is the link on the Revell website
http://www.revell.com/catalog/catalog/universal-monsters.html (http://www.revell.com/catalog/catalog/universal-monsters.html)
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Post by: Gasport on January 12, 2009, 09:48:34 PM
Frankenstein's right hand is turned and Dracula has a new head...I can understand Drac getting the oh, so common generic touch, but the Franky hand twist is just plain strange.
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Post by: Anton Phibes on January 12, 2009, 10:07:24 PM
That Dracula likeness is dead on, ain't it?  ::) ;D Glad they improved it. ::) ::)
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Post by: ChrisW on January 12, 2009, 10:28:55 PM
Oh...my....
Alright, they're too cheap to pay the Lugosi estate for using the likeness...
But...AAAARRRGGHHHH!!!!!!!! There are so many good sculptors that would LOVE to do the head for a reissue like this - why go with a comic book face?!?!?!?!
They did the same thing when they re-released Superman and Robin a few years ago...and lost the character completely...
Now, did they have to alter the original tooling to create this joke? and does that mean that the original Lemon-sculpted head is lost to the ages? Oh, please say it ain't so!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Gasport on January 12, 2009, 10:42:18 PM
Is THAT what they did to the Batman-Robin, Superman kits? Actually destroy the original mold in order to make a new head??
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Post by: CultTVman on January 12, 2009, 11:36:15 PM
Ohhh... that Dracula is so wrong on so many levels.   Another sad day in monsterdom.

Steve
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Post by: The Spangler on January 12, 2009, 11:56:22 PM
 Oh, thats Dracula?  I thought it was Shia LaBeouf, in some new vampire movie!
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Post by: Gasport on January 12, 2009, 11:59:26 PM
Seriously, I'm AMAZED that the company [ in this economy] went to all the time and expense to put out something so horribly wrong. WHAT were they thinking??
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Post by: mike c on January 13, 2009, 12:18:08 AM
Good lordy... the Dracula head is so out of proportion to the body it's absurd. Even if it happened to be a dead-on Lugosi likeness (and it sure the heck ain't!) it is still way too big.

Disappointing.

Wonder what the other two kits will be like... or are they pretty straightforward copies?

Mike C.
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Post by: Monster Bob on January 13, 2009, 06:02:55 AM

So look at the bright side...an instant business/selling opportunity for the resin guys to sell 'original Aurora' Lugosi-head recasts on ebay.  ;D



Oh...and what's with Frankenstein hand?... looks like he should come with a keyboard...
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Post by: Phantasm on January 13, 2009, 07:43:40 AM
Ha!  I was thinking that The Frankenstein Monster's hand was repositioned to put a yo yo in it like in the hot rod kit!
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Post by: Monsters For Sale on January 13, 2009, 02:02:38 PM
Seems like if they would reposition one hand, they would do BOTH.  At least that way he would lok like he was doing the "Lugosi grope".
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Post by: Anton Phibes on January 13, 2009, 04:38:56 PM
Buy these instead ;D


(http://www.monstersinmotion.com/catalog/images/classic/frankenstein_bw.jpg)

(http://www.monstersinmotion.com/catalog/images/classic/mummymoebius.jpg)


It's astounding to me that Universal apparently to this day doesn't realize it was the actors who made these roles. ::) ???
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Post by: Getter_1 on January 13, 2009, 06:05:04 PM
Balls.  Total balls.

Is Dracula missing his ring, as well?

I think I'll pass on these.  I was going to get them for my son to build but the Dracula is awful.  Maybe I'll buy a Frank but no friggin way for the Dracula
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Post by: fmofmpls on January 13, 2009, 06:51:41 PM
What a bone-headed decision to screw with something that didn't need screwin' with. I won't buy them. I'm insulted by their executive ignorance. Boycott these.   
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Post by: tv horror on January 13, 2009, 11:37:04 PM
My God! Granny Clampett as the count?  Are those morbius models really going to be issued, now they do look the business also someone mentioned the monster scenes dr Jekyll and hyde I WANT THOSE.
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Post by: Monster Bob on January 14, 2009, 09:34:13 AM

I wonder who they think their target audience is?  Kids don't build kits, and don't care about Dracula per se- in large numbers anyway. The old timers either already have the kit, or would opt for an earlier 'Lugosi' issue- like the Monogram, which is easily accessible on ebay and cheap enough.

So these things will sit on the shelf not selling, and Revell will conclude monsters don't sell, which will put a damper on their future interest in producing anything "monster". Hurrah.
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Post by: Richard on January 14, 2009, 09:38:53 AM
This is just too bad....what a poor-looking Dracula.
Oh,well~ after almost 50 years of first issue and reissues and reissues and reissues, I would think there would be enough of the original sculpt Aurora monsters in the world to take care of anyone who wants to build one.
Except for the completist, would another reissue of Aurora's Frankenstein, Dracula, Wolf Man, and the Mummy sell at all?
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Post by: Monster Bob on January 14, 2009, 10:41:46 AM
Buy these instead ;D


([url]http://www.monstersinmotion.com/catalog/images/classic/frankenstein_bw.jpg[/url])




The thing that's scaring me about this kit is the lack of seeing a prototype...just this same photo ad (while the Mummy ad shows the kit).

I kind of wish that instead of doing another Monster, they would produce a styrene kit of another Frankenstonian/Monster character. Heck, I'll take Minnie from BRIDE for starters...then Maleva(sp?) from THE WOLFMAN would be cool.
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Post by: ChrisW on January 14, 2009, 07:13:35 PM
Monster Bob - Frank is being careful in releasing images - Universal does not want any out there before approval of the final design is given.
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Post by: Cinemacabre on January 16, 2009, 11:26:02 PM
Yeah, these are dreadful but we have to skip these en mass... one or two of us passing won't work. If you don't like them - Don't buy them!
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Post by: CreepysFan on January 16, 2009, 11:44:24 PM
 Lucky I still have the originals from childhood, even if I didn't I wouldn't buy THIS Dracula.  I think tv horror nailed it: Clampett Dracula.  Does look like Granny.  The Mobius Frankenstein has my interrest, I also wish they showed a proto-type finnished image.
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Post by: Gasport on January 16, 2009, 11:55:48 PM
No WAY am i buying any of these...do you suppose they've ever even HEARD of Moebius or Polar Lights? If so, you'd think they would have known better than to peddle this kind of inferior crap. Maybe they're hoping these will appeal to kids , or something. The total lack of hobby stores or even model departments in chain stores reflect the fact that kids just aren't very interested in models these days. [which is a shame] On the other hand, when you do manage to find a store with a few kits in stock, they're usually just boring typical, generic car kits. Nothing like the stacks upon stacks of classic Aurora-Revell and Lindberg character kits that greeted me whenever i visited my local 5 & 10 as a kid.
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Post by: Universal Steve on January 17, 2009, 01:06:02 AM
This is horrible! Talk about destroying a classic. I am also glad I have the original Aurora and a spare Monogram and spare Polar Lights one. It looks like jr. has struck again. We are back to musical Dracula images. He is sacrificing his fathers memory for money. Nothing is sacred anymore.
Oh the pain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A sad day for modelers!
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Post by: Anton Phibes on January 17, 2009, 01:58:10 PM
Monster Bob - Frank is being careful in releasing images - Universal does not want any out there before approval of the final design is given.


I find it humorous that they want someone who actually cares about the film and its star to be sparse in releasing pictures before its approved,,,yet this hideous Revell Dracula head not only was approved but they seem proud of it. Ugh. The Dracula head looks like George Bush to me.
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Post by: Jim Bertges on January 17, 2009, 02:04:01 PM
Now I can understand how most everyone feels about the revision of the Dracula kit and I agree that it is a terrible thing to do and that Bela Jr.'s licensing fees most likely have a lot to do with Revell's decision, but and you knew there would be a "but" here, if we want to encourage Revell to continue to release these kinds of classic kits and perhaps venture into new figure kit territory we should not boycott this particular release. I'm not saying buy it just to buy the kit and stock it away somewhere. If you don't have the Polar Lights or Aurora Dracula, buy one, there are tons of original style heads available (even I have a couple in my spares box). If this release of these kits is even a moderate success, who knows what the folks at Revell will do next. They do own all the old, existing Aurora molds and with encouragement of a monetary nature they might get the idea that there is a demand for these old kits.
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Post by: Jscareshock on January 17, 2009, 04:49:23 PM
Guys, i will buy them.  FOr years I have wanted to do conversions and dioramas but was reluctant to deface the classic images we hold dear.  Now I can bend, shape, mold and disfigure to my heart's content.  And I thin it'd be cool to have an Aurora Dracula in a scene fighting this "new sculpt" Dracula.
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Post by: depressedlarrytalbot on January 18, 2009, 04:40:09 AM
Is there any chance these are just prototypey-thing images and the releases will have the original heads anyway? Lugosi box art aside, I never thought the Aurora bore a Lugosi likeness particularly. In fact, in my youth not yet having seen the man in the role, for this reason I even assumed it might be Carradine.

Did Polar Lights pay Jr. to use the kit "likeness" of old, or the original Aurora art? Did manufacturers like Monogram previously pay Jr for the kit when that alone was depicted, and the Aurora art wasn't used? ... ?   

I agree the Dracula brings to mind the revamped DC heroes kits of old. That second Superman looked like one of the Thunderbirds puppets, though I know some modellers actually preferred the new, 'spooky' Batman head. 

Either way, I will probably buy at least one of these. The variations are interesting enough to warrant that for me, simply because they exist. Plus, and again this is just me, but this Drac is no worse than a hundred other generic or semi-generic figural depictions of The Count.     
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Post by: Scatter on January 18, 2009, 01:02:19 PM
What a bone-headed decision to screw with something that didn't need screwin' with. I won't buy them. I'm insulted by their executive ignorance. Boycott these.   

You're preachin' to the choir Rev.......I'm not touching these, and I'm actually looking to begin doing models with my son. What idiots.
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Post by: Scatter on January 18, 2009, 01:10:59 PM
Now I can understand how most everyone feels about the revision of the Dracula kit and I agree that it is a terrible thing to do and that Bela Jr.'s licensing fees most likely have a lot to do with Revell's decision, but and you knew there would be a "but" here, if we want to encourage Revell to continue to release these kinds of classic kits and perhaps venture into new figure kit territory we should not boycott this particular release. I'm not saying buy it just to buy the kit and stock it away somewhere. If you don't have the Polar Lights or Aurora Dracula, buy one, there are tons of original style heads available (even I have a couple in my spares box). If this release of these kits is even a moderate success, who knows what the folks at Revell will do next. They do own all the old, existing Aurora molds and with encouragement of a monetary nature they might get the idea that there is a demand for these old kits.

How exactly has that policy of buying whatever is thrown at us benefited us thusfar?? We buy substandard, slipshod Universal video releases, and what do we get?? MORE substandard, slipshod Universal video releases. Rather than "Hey, there's a market out there, let's put out some quality product", we get "Hey,these fools will buy ANYTHING,so no need to nibble at our profit margins by releasing quality product."

Case in point, we're discussing "Kolchak" elsewhere on the MB. When the series was released, what was the result?? No extras,no expenditure on cleaning the images or enhancing the sound, not even a stinking documentary to accompany it. Nothing.

Normally I would agree with you, because your premise is logical and sensible. But Universal isn't as sensible as you.
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Post by: Scary Terry on January 18, 2009, 04:21:32 PM
Seems to me there ought to still be a lot of unused extra heads out there from the glow issues of these kits many moons ago.  Otherwise I say it's customizing time.  There are some good replacement heads already out there.  Maybe I'll try my hand at sculpting one, too....


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Post by: aurora1craig on January 24, 2009, 06:15:44 PM
Hi My 2 cents. If Revell is going to produce these again, If ya don't like don't buy, :o BUT I wouldn't DISCOURAGE others. ANY  :)Model Company STILL Producing kits is a National Treasure!!!
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Post by: Nightmares in plastic on January 26, 2009, 08:22:58 PM
looks like its history again:
http://www.revell.com/catalog/catalog/universal-monsters.html (http://www.revell.com/catalog/catalog/universal-monsters.html)

Rainer E.
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Post by: Anton Phibes on January 26, 2009, 09:23:24 PM
looks like its history again:
[url]http://www.revell.com/catalog/catalog/universal-monsters.html[/url] ([url]http://www.revell.com/catalog/catalog/universal-monsters.html[/url])

Rainer E.


Yeah...no more poopy George Bush head.(http://www.revell.com/catalog/images/products/85-6517.jpg)Is that a Creature snake scaling up the tree?
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Post by: Anton Phibes on January 26, 2009, 09:25:57 PM
Hi My 2 cents. If Revell is going to produce these again, If ya don't like don't buy, :o BUT I wouldn't DISCOURAGE others. ANY  :)Model Company STILL Producing kits is a National Treasure!!!

I don't think anyone would have had to try.  the horrible head they were going to use would pretty much discourage anyone all by its lonesome.  Luckily its now a non-issue.  Hurray for Bela! ;D
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Post by: Mike Scott on January 26, 2009, 09:38:47 PM
Why does it say "Lon Chaney, Jr. TM likeness" on the Wolf Man model? Looks nothing like him whatsoever!
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Post by: Anton Phibes on January 26, 2009, 09:53:57 PM
Why does it say "Lon Chaney, Jr. TM likeness" on the Wolf Man model? Looks nothing like him whatsoever!


LOL!  ;D ;D  You mean you don't remember the movie where Lon ran around in ripped up jeans and no shirt on?  And you call yourself a monster fan.  Everybody's seen that one. ::) ;)
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Post by: Universal Soldier on January 28, 2009, 03:12:27 AM
I never saw the poopy replacement head. Could someone put up a picture?
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Post by: depressedlarrytalbot on January 28, 2009, 05:48:55 AM
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Why does it say "Lon Chaney, Jr. TM likeness" on the Wolf Man model? Looks nothing like him whatsoever!

And if it comes to that - why no Karloff or Lugosi estate claim on the other two?
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Post by: Scatter on January 29, 2009, 05:22:05 PM
Hi My 2 cents. If Revell is going to produce these again, If ya don't like don't buy, :o BUT I wouldn't DISCOURAGE others. ANY  :)Model Company STILL Producing kits is a National Treasure!!!

If you wouldn't discourage others from buying, that's fine. Encourage them if you wish. That would be having your 2 cents and allowing others who disagree to have their own 2 cents as well.
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Post by: Getter_1 on January 29, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Where is Dracula's ring?!!?

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Post by: Anton Phibes on January 29, 2009, 07:56:44 PM
Where is Dracula's ring?!!?



QMX is at it again.... ;)
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Post by: Nightmares in plastic on January 29, 2009, 08:56:22 PM
Where is Dracula's ring?!!?

Even in the Luminator reissues the ring was just a lump of plastic due to the age of the molds - guess thats why it not used in the build up...

Read on another board that Revell states in their press kit:

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"Dracula has had a small face lift to meet updated licensing requirements".

So it looks like its a licensing issue that cause all the fuzz, but why - the head never looked like Lugosi to begin with.
It was the Boxart that drove Bela Jr. into that lawsuit, not the model....

Rainer E.
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Post by: tv horror on January 29, 2009, 11:49:07 PM
Aw shucks! Them there Revel people done gone and ruined my staking Granny Clampet, why do yee all  be thinking why I's do my whittling n that thar pouch? It's to stake that thar vermin from Hell.   

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Post by: Scheisseler on January 30, 2009, 03:04:22 PM
So it looks like its a licensing issue that cause all the fuzz, but why - the head never looked like Lugosi to begin with.

Just a guess, but it might be the fangs. The original Aurora kit -- like Lugosi himself in the original film -- didn't have them.
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Post by: fmofmpls on January 30, 2009, 05:45:59 PM
I have a two part silicone mold for popping out resin Aurora Dracula heads. I made it years ago when I was making fantasy Dracula Pez dispensers. I checked the mold today and it's still in plenty good shape. Should be able to pop out dozens upon dozens of heads. I can hook you guys up when the time comes.
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Post by: toysoldierman2001 on January 30, 2009, 08:17:30 PM
Thats great news boss! It seems like you always come through for us.In my opinion your a better General then Ike ever was! ;D
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Post by: Jscareshock on February 16, 2009, 11:49:16 AM
I went to the Revell website.  According to them the resissues (which they say aren't available yet) are licensed by universal, Karloff and Chainey.  So I don't know what's going on.
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Post by: aura of foreboding on April 29, 2009, 12:47:30 AM
Has anybody seen these in stores yet?  If so, any news on the changes?  If not, any idea when they will be coming?
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Post by: Creepazoid on April 29, 2009, 10:53:10 AM
here is the new Dracula on ebay

Item number: 270379518978   
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Post by: Monster Bob on April 29, 2009, 11:17:12 AM


Someone needs to buy one of these and actually check the head and see its been resculpted (which would be expensive). I think it would be hilarious if they just changed the box art and catalogs to sidestep copyright issues, then blow the kits out with the same old mold 'as was'. 
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Post by: Creepazoid on April 29, 2009, 11:53:42 AM
that would be funny (and sneaky)  :P
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Post by: Kenneth on April 29, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
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Someone needs to buy one of these and actually check the head and see its been resculpted (which would be expensive). I think it would be hilarious if they just changed the box art and catalogs to sidestep copyright issues, then blow the kits out with the same old mold 'as was'. 

I did pick up the Dracula and Frankenstein at HobbyTown USA. Mummy and Wolf Man are released next month.

The head sculpt of Dracula has been changed. It looks like the picture on the box...fangs and all.  The little mouth-piece from the original sculpt is included on the sprue too, but there is no use for it. Everything else looks the same. It is molded in medium gray plastic. It has the Universal Pictures license stamp on the bottom of the base, as well as the Revell.

Frankenstein is the original sculpt.....except his right hand is palms down as on the box. I would post a picture of these but I can't locate my camera cable...

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Post by: depressedlarrytalbot on May 01, 2009, 10:14:40 AM
There's a reasonable b&w close-up of the head in the new AMAZING FIGURE MODELLER.
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Post by: Mcdee on May 03, 2009, 06:47:38 PM
NEW DRACULA HEAD!....A HUGE SUCCESS!

Just picked up the New Dracula reissue...and wasn't quite sure how I
would like the new head...
But they've changed it again!!!
and for the better!...
What do you guys think?....
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(http://i563.photobucket.com/albums/ss74/FRANKENSTIEN53/lol001-1.jpg)
A HUGE IMPROVEMENT!!!
Mcdee
(yeah...it was a slow Sunday)

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Post by: hammett1 on May 04, 2009, 11:52:35 AM
LOL ;D  This one is certainly much scarier.  David
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Post by: poseablemonster on May 04, 2009, 12:14:42 PM
That's one way to appeal to the younger generation.
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Post by: Getter_1 on May 07, 2009, 12:59:40 AM
I bought a Dracula kit.  It's the fang head only, which I'm sure you all knew.  I had to know.  Now I sort of regret it.  I'll never build it... I have a couple of long box versions and a Monogram kit in the garage. 

Oh well. I had to know. 

:)
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Post by: ChrisW on May 08, 2009, 09:45:39 PM
What can I say?

McDEE, YOU'VE DONE IT AGAIN!!!!!   ;D
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Post by: Mcdee on May 08, 2009, 10:50:03 PM
 ;D Thanks Chris...and don't you think the New Frankenstein begs to be playing with a Yo-Yo... ;D
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Post by: Scatter on May 11, 2009, 05:50:36 PM
SACRILEGE!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!
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Post by: AuroraFan1 on May 12, 2009, 10:37:00 PM
Hello All!

Setting up as a new member, and just received qty 2 each Frankenstein Models in the mail.

Yes, the right hand is palms down, however just a quick fix ( Will use my Monogram reissue to compare as I go ) and all should be good as new.

Great to have Frankie back  and will buy more for conversions ( Bama Head , etc.).

Mummy and Wolfman look untouched ( Press releases), however Dracula ( have plenty of Monogram,  Long Box re-release, etc ) so will only procure for conversions.
 
It is good to be a member!
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Post by: ChrisW on May 13, 2009, 07:56:56 AM
;D Thanks Chris...and don't you think the New Frankenstein begs to be playing with a Yo-Yo... ;D

Hey McDee, if you remember that's exactly how the Frankenstein Fliver is set up! I wonder if someone at Revellogram saw the fliver reissue and got confused...
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Post by: Mcdee on May 13, 2009, 09:00:55 PM
Yeah Dan that's the first thing I thought of when I saw this pose...I'm buying one just to do it up that way
Mcdee