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Title: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 22, 2012, 11:12:59 PM
I just read an article about a guy slapping a ten year old knocking out a tooth for misbehaving in Titanic 3D.  Apparently the guy asked him and his buddies to quiet down and they mocked him so he slapped the kid.  Of course he is in all kinds of trouble although if you ask me the kid probably deserved it. 

It made me think though, are movie theaters dying? 

I used to be an avid movie goer like most on here but not long ago I was charged ten bucks for a small drink and small popcorn.  I was in shock and not the good kind.  I could eat at a buffet for that price!  Popcorn became a favorite movie snack because it was cheap and could be sold cheap and I mean soda, well that is a very cheap drink when it comes from a fountain.  That experience truly demoralized me.  We all know that movie theaters gouge people through the eyeballs for drinks and snacks so that incident made me stop completely buying anything when I go to a movie.  But that is one of those things I enjoyed about going to the movies, having a favorite snack and drink while enjoying the film.  I also used to go see movies many times each.  I am ashamed to say that I saw Forest Gump over twenty five times in the theater during its first run.  I also saw Toy Story that many times perhaps even more.

Now, I carefully consider each movie I might want to attend to determine if I can wait to rent it from Red Box.  I used to live in movie theaters and now I am lucky to attend five in a year.  I used to see that many in a week.  Wife and I do rent a lot of movies from Red Box and every now and then I purchase one but theaters are getting my dollars only in extremely rare cases anymore.  I also don't enjoy the movies as much because of no snacks or drinks.  I refuse to be gouged anymore.

Another problem with theaters is that they will not expell someone for bad behavior. 

When I take the time to leave my seat, find and wait for a manager to meet me, take the time to explain what someone is doing like talking on the phone, texting, or letting their kid run amok in some cases in movies and at show times that kids should not be in,  Queen of the Damned comes to mind at the 8pm showing, then I expect those patrons to be asked to leave for my trouble.  Managers are cowards, and will usually only send a teenage usher in to "watch" them to make sure they don't do it again.  What good does that do?  I want vindication that the patron in question "knew" what they were doing, knew what the rules are and chose to break them anyway and then gets expelled for it.  Managers are not "cops" they don't have to "witness" the infraction.  Lord knows that once and usher is standing there the patron then won't do anything wrong because they are being watched.  Often times you see them with a smirk on their face because they know they got away with their bad behavior.  Isn't my word that "I" witnessed the behavior good enough, what am I a liar just trying to get someone thrown out because I am a sadist.  I mean, really? Really? 

If Managers would find the gumption to just ask them to leave and get a security guard to escort them out then we would all feel a sense of vindication knowing that people are going to have to behave or pay the price.   Managers are just too stupid to comprehend that the patrons they are loosing are us, those who attend movies constantly and have supported movies all our lives.  Kick out the riff raff and let those of us who know how to behave and have discipline sit back and enjoy the show. 

What happens far too often is they "offer" to refund us "our" money as if we are the problems.  What good does that do?  I am not refunded for my gas, my time and effort to leave the house, wait in lines and patronize their theater.  Those who misbehave should be expelled pure and simple and taught a lesson.  I would expell them without refund too for that added lesson. 

Also, here is another part of the equation.  Actors who demand 10 to 20 million dollars per picture.  Let me ask you, could an actor who gets paid only 1 million do just as good a job, maybe even better and still make a quality picture while saving the other 19 million or putting it to better use? 

I believe actors are pushing themselves out of jobs and destroying the movie industry.  Give me back the old days when studios had contract players.  They gave great performances, studios could make great films on a budget and entertain us. 

I am no film historian but weren't movie theaters a source of entertainment for the common man?  The rich folks went to shows on Broadway and other higher class theaters while the "common, working people" went to movies?  Wasn't that how it all got started? 

Now it seems that live performers are considered second tier or second rate while movie stars are the golden child's.  There are so many actors, yet undiscovered that are just as or more talented than so many in Hollywood, I mean Angelina Jolie, why is she so high paid?  They are all struggling to get there and would take so much less money to make movies, do just as good and deliver just as good or better performances.  I know, sure, they don't have the "name" for the box office draw but really, does that make "that" much difference.  If a movie saves literally millions on a cheaper actor then spends more of that money on "better" marketing (Dark Shadows) and better special effects or even a better script (Dark Shadows) then won't the industry fair better? 

Is it just me or do you all see the winds of change coming? 

Are theaters and perhaps even movies destined to end or at the very least have a revolution? 

In our lifetimes, do we see the end of this form of entertainment coming? 

I can only speak for myself and wife, that we now own one of the largest screen TVs, about to buy an even bigger one, have our own much more confortable seats, can view films in our own house, eat popcorn that costs less than a dollar or nachos, pizza or whatever other kind of food strikes our fancy, rent movies for a dollar, buy or own them from the five dollar bin, or enjoy our beloved classics, pause them when nature calls, or someone tries to sell us something we don't want, enjoy the movie with one of our sweet pets sitting on our lap with our most comfortable clothes and slippers on and get so much more out of the experience and entertainment than the theater can "ever" offer. 

Are theaters now obsolete because of that? 

I know I am not the only one who is opting for the best in home theater entertainment.  Plus, at home, I can play around with a lightsaber, phaser, Wolf Man or Frankenstein action figure or any other silly thing I want while watching my movie without being laughed at or ridiculed.  I can be a kid again for a few moments and regress to happier times when I did not have bills to pay or adult worries.  Isn't that what movie entertainment is supposed to be about? 

I believe, that even if Hollywood had a revolution and changed right now, over night, it may be too late.  We already own the big TVs, home theater dolby digital sound systems, have loads of DVD's in our collections and have tasted how sweet watching movies at home is over dealing with the riff raff who still go to movies just to cause trouble or can't afford the babysitters to leave the kids at home for grown up movies.  Maybe it is just too late. 

One last question, for those who like to speculate, what does our "future" hold for film entertainment?  Are we all going to be watching 3D, 4D or 6D holograms some day?  Or are we all going to be watching movies on our Ipods, or pads, whatever those are called?  Are we all going to have 100 inch TV's, real home theaters, are houses going to have theater rooms build right in like a living room or kitchen?  What does our "future" hold for us?
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Sly Wolf on May 22, 2012, 11:51:13 PM
Very true, I only go there few times each year and would rather watch old movies instead. petty much people going there are interested in seeing known actors and ignoring whole point of the movie or something. Worse of all, remakes, ugh.

Sad thing I do find old movies to be much more interesting to watch now instead of newer today movies, I'll rather spend my five bucks on DVDs or VHS tapes those days now.

However I still do enjoy some newer ones such as Kung Fu Panda 2, District 9, Rango, Sherlock Holmes, Fantastic Mr. Fox, Hugo, and RED. I always stay away from remakes unless it's good for some reasons.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 23, 2012, 04:27:20 AM
In the past 5 years, I've seen exactly that many movies in theaters. It would've been as high as 8, but my mother has had health issues. I've seen "Star Trek," "The Dark Knight Rises," "Dark Shadows," "The Wolfman," and "Iron Man 2." I had wanted to see "Sweeney Todd" and a couple of others, but that was during a period when Mom needed almost round-the-clock care.
 
In the '70s & '80s, I probably went to the movies every other weekend-- around 26 movies a year. I started cutting back in the '90s. Saw maybe a movie a month. Had a job, my dad had had a stroke, etc, etc. When we first moved to NC from NJ in '99, I was down to maybe three movies a year. By 2005, it was probably just twice a year. Once my mom couldn't drive anymore, it became harder for me to find the time to "get away," even for a couple of hours.
Another problem is the medication I take for my blood pressure contains a diuretic. So, I can't sit through these 3+ hour epics without having to get up at least once to take a whiz. There aren't any intermissions anymore (last film I remember having an intermission was Roman Polanski's "Tess"), so I just wait for stuff like LOTR or PJ's "King Kong" to hit homevid. Also, that means no snacking or drinking during films anymore.
If the movies are depending on me to survive, well, THEY WON'T! But, they aren't making movies for me, anyway. They're making them for teens and twentysomething knuckleheads who text and Twitter and have to make sure they make a big scene about the simple act of plunking their a**es in some seats. That's why I either go to weekday matinees or the 10:30pm show on a school night.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Howler on May 23, 2012, 06:41:49 AM
    I completely agree. i don't go nearly as much as I use to and I never buy anything from there no matter how hungry or thirsty I may be. Theaters were once very cheap and for the "common" person. That's how they survived during the great depression, they were air conditioned and were cheap enough that almost every one could still afford them. I also hate the fact about people that pay that much to get into the theater and then talk through the whole movie. Hey buddy i didn't pay money to listen to your dumb ass talk through the movie. Stay at home and talk. When I was in college i worked at a second run theater and we kicked people out that caused trouble. Too many people lost their back bones these days. Oh you don't want to lose them as customers? Well what about the twenty other people that were annoyed by them and had their movie outing ruined by them. Not to mention that most of the movies we are paying these high prices for are just average and mostly unoriginal.

 it's still early and I'm babbling now.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Monster Bob on May 23, 2012, 06:52:01 AM


My main bitch is the new "digital film" format. Hell, my plasma big screen looks more film-like than what is being shown at the multiplexes anymore. Plus I can pause, go to the bathroom, and drink adult beverages freely and at will. Win win win!
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: MDG on May 23, 2012, 07:44:39 AM
I'm long-past the period when I have to see something as soon as it opens, but movie theaters will probably be around to fill the role they have since the 50s, which is basically a place kids can go to get out of the house on Friday night (before the TV age, it was more likely to be a mixed-age group and not just weekends).

Other than that, the fact that new movies are pretty much in constant release (theatrical, second run, DVD, cable, streaming) there's not much of an incentive to go out to the movies beyond the social event. The exception is when i go to Eastman House to see something rare or even an older movies I've seen before, but with an appreciative audience.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Sean on May 23, 2012, 08:48:20 AM
All social outlets in public places are dying.  People are digging deeper into their cocoons.  I wonder what we'll be like in another 20 years.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Haunted hearse on May 23, 2012, 08:57:18 AM
I guess I'm in the minority here, as I take my Wife and Daughter once a week to the Carmike Cinemas in Wilson.  Last film I saw yesterday was the Avengers.  Wouldn't have been nearly as good seeing it at home on television.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Moonshadow on May 23, 2012, 09:45:14 AM
I don't think there's any chance of theaters dying out, although I could see the number of theaters diminishing. We have a ton of theaters here in Phoenix and I've rarely seen a sold out show, regardless of the film. There's just too many to choose from. But then the whole city was over-built before the economic boom dropped.

I still enjoy seeing a film like Avengers on a big screen, with the Dolby sound and all. That being said, the general lack of courtesy evident in all aspects of life has certainly infiltrated the theaters too, and now we have to contend not only with people talking during a film, but with people texting during movies. If I see one more bright little phone screen during a film I may lose my mind.

That being said, we have a big screen TV, blu ray player, and our own popcorn machine, so watching DVDs at home is a major source of fun for us. As others have said, you can eat and drink whatever you want, dress how you want, and you don't have to put up with any fools. Almost as bad as the talking and texting in movie theaters are the people who douse themselves with perfume or cologne. WTH?
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: ParasiteHilton on May 23, 2012, 10:21:18 AM

My main bitch is the new "digital film" format. Hell, my plasma big screen looks more film-like than what is being shown at the multiplexes anymore. Plus I can pause, go to the bathroom, and drink adult beverages freely and at will. Win win win!

Not only that but I love sitting in the back row and hearing the "flicker" of the film projector. I am thankful there are some theaters around here that still show classics projected with film.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Dr. Jitters on May 23, 2012, 10:44:59 AM

My main bitch is the new "digital film" format. Hell, my plasma big screen looks more film-like than what is being shown at the multiplexes anymore. Plus I can pause, go to the bathroom, and drink adult beverages freely and at will. Win win win!

Yes, that "win win win" for you is "lose lose lose" for theaters.  Not that I blame you, it's just the way it is with this technology/digital age.  It's just a fact of our times.

One of the message boards I read is for independent theater owners and they're going through tough times.  A bunch of theaters will close in the near future because they can't afford to convert to digital.  Already theater owners are having a tough time getting 35mm and it will quickly get worse.

For a long time the main profit for owners comes from the concession stand.  I don't knock them for charging higher prices.  It's how they pay their bills.  I don't go to the theater very often, so when I do I just enjoy the event with popcorn, soda and candy.

I figure that mom & pop theaters will have to adapt somehow, and they'll have to continue to focus on the younger demographic and young families.  There may be many great old theaters for sale very soon! 

Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Monster Bob on May 23, 2012, 11:24:32 AM
It's all good, because most of what I watch is the old stuff, which is very seldom shown in theaters (and  never in multiplexes) anyway.

We have a 60 year old theater near me, which is where I go to see the few new movies I want to see (they are still film, not digital, though they have the capability if needed). They charge $6/adult regularly, $5 on Sunday. Why on Earth would I go anywhere else?! They do from time to time show "classic oldies" for little (like $1) or nothing. That's when I go nuts at the snack bar, figuring they have bills to pay. Last summer at a fest they showed Elvis Presley's GIRL HAPPY free as a Sunday matinee. There were maybe 20 people in the theater. It was AWESOME, to say the least.

Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Flower on May 23, 2012, 11:28:21 AM
I love movie theaters ..

LONG MAY THEY REIGN!

But I would love lower popcorn prices ... ;D
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 23, 2012, 11:49:40 AM
I agree with Flower. I still love going to the movies. I've cut way back on the popcorn and other treats though because of the egregious prices theatres charge these days.

What I really miss are the old neighbourhood theatres. The massive cineplexes these days just aren't my style. I also miss the weekly newsreels on the big screen. And drive-ins too which I take it are a dying breed.

 :(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 23, 2012, 02:07:39 PM
Dr. Jitters - "For a long time the main profit for owners comes from the concession stand.  I don't knock them for charging higher prices.  It's how they pay their bills.  I don't go to the theater very often, so when I do I just enjoy the event with popcorn, soda and candy."

I understand where you are coming from on this, however, let me add that since there are other problems that have diminished audiences, movie theaters have decided to gouge those remaining patrons enormously.  Profits they used to make in volume they are now trying to make on those few devoted souls left who still patronize their theaters.  You can't do that.  You are making those loyal to theaters pay for their dreadful mismanagement to stay open. 

What they need to do is lower their prices, take care of those who misbehave, offer special showings of older movies, have Saturday festivals with not only older films but also add cartoons and other special programs like newreals to spruce things up and then weather the storm.  In time, "maybe" the audiences will come back and they can then make their money on volume again instead of gouging. 

If they don't do that then with more expensive digital projectors, less people attending, less people seeing films multiple times, less people buying concessions, less people coming due to misbehaving others it is only a matter of time they will have to face the music and close down.

In my humble opinion they need to change quickly and drastically to save their industry now or it may already be too late.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on May 23, 2012, 03:09:19 PM
It's all good, because most of what I watch is the old stuff, which is very seldom shown in theaters (and  never in multiplexes) anyway.

We have a 60 year old theater near me, which is where I go to see the few new movies I want to see (they are still film, not digital, though they have the capability if needed). They charge $6/adult regularly, $5 on Sunday. Why on Earth would I go anywhere else?! They do from time to time show "classic oldies" for little (like $1) or nothing. That's when I go nuts at the snack bar, figuring they have bills to pay. Last summer at a fest they showed Elvis Presley's GIRL HAPPY free as a Sunday matinee. There were maybe 20 people in the theater. It was AWESOME, to say the least.

My friend, I wanna live where YOU live. The King on the big screen for ANY price is worth it.........for FREE??  :o

I used to ADORE going to the movies. Especially the Drive-In of course, but I haunted many a multiplex in my day. Now? Nope. Just some select films that demand the big screen. Can't afford to go with any frequency any more. And when I DO go, I wear cargo pants with many pockets hiding my snacks.  ;D

Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Dr. Jitters on May 23, 2012, 04:21:42 PM
Dr. Jitters - "For a long time the main profit for owners comes from the concession stand.  I don't knock them for charging higher prices.  It's how they pay their bills.  I don't go to the theater very often, so when I do I just enjoy the event with popcorn, soda and candy."

I understand where you are coming from on this, however, let me add that since there are other problems that have diminished audiences, movie theaters have decided to gouge those remaining patrons enormously.  Profits they used to make in volume they are now trying to make on those few devoted souls left who still patronize their theaters.  You can't do that.  You are making those loyal to theaters pay for their dreadful mismanagement to stay open. 

What they need to do is lower their prices, take care of those who misbehave, offer special showings of older movies, have Saturday festivals with not only older films but also add cartoons and other special programs like newreals to spruce things up and then weather the storm.  In time, "maybe" the audiences will come back and they can then make their money on volume again instead of gouging. 

If they don't do that then with more expensive digital projectors, less people attending, less people seeing films multiple times, less people buying concessions, less people coming due to misbehaving others it is only a matter of time they will have to face the music and close down.

In my humble opinion they need to change quickly and drastically to save their industry now or it may already be too late.

Hey Wolfman, pal.  For the most part, I agree with you.  There are some theater owners who are trying desperately to hang on and are raising concession prices which affects their loyal customers.  That's a tough way to run a business and it may be hurting them in the long run.  There are other theaters that haven't raised prices for admissions and concessions and are also hanging in there and getting by with some cleverness.  It's a tough call and tough times for them.  Most independent theater owners make a modest amount of profit and some even have other jobs they do to make ends meet.

I love the idea of showing older movies, having festivals and cartoons and special showings.  Guys like us on this forum would love it, but the general population wouldn't respond much I don't think.  From a business standpoint it would probably be a mistake.  To make the most of when they're open they'd probably have to pick the most popular current titles available and rely on good marketing.  Maybe you're right though, there could be a time when a certain program could work -- Halloween?  There's a time frame when business drops off and they'd be smart to have a game plan set up for those times.

The other big factor affecting theaters is the shrinking window between the release date of the movie and the release of the DVD or digital download option.  They've even released both on the same date in some cases!  That's really the death knell of the movie-going experience.

I'm thinking that you're right, too.  The example of this thread points to it.  Maybe a movie house could focus on the "old-fashioned" experience of the theater.  If it were geared towards the growing demographic of baby boomers who will be nostalgic for the experiences they had going to the movies "in the old days".  :)  It might work in a large, populous area.  If it were me, I'd probably go that route, and also have bands play on the stage occasionally, lease it out to groups in the morning hours, etc.   But as far as first run movies go, the times they are a-changin'.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Dr. Jitters on May 23, 2012, 04:32:08 PM
For what it's worth, here's a message board I read to live vicariously through others travails:
http://www.bigscreenbiz.com/Forums/The-Lobby/ (http://www.bigscreenbiz.com/Forums/The-Lobby/)
I don't post there though.

Note the thread about used 35mm equipment being picked up for scrap.  :(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Sly Wolf on May 23, 2012, 04:38:54 PM
Can't afford to go with any frequency any more. And when I DO go, I wear cargo pants with many pockets hiding my snacks.  ;D

LOL, that's awesome! I should do same thing when I go to the movie theater next time!
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Street Worm on May 23, 2012, 05:29:35 PM
Last time I went to a movie theater was when I took my kid to see 'Spawn' on his birthday in '97
and before that, maybe another ten or so years...

I used to go all the time in the '60s & '70s.

besides the price & the crowds I think the older I get the less I like
leaving my house (unless I'm getting paid)...
I don't mind waiting to see the latest flick in the comfort of my living room now a days.

Used to get dropped off here every Saturday when I was a kid-

(http://gallery.unrealspawnboard.com/albums/userpics/10006/strand.png)  ;D
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 23, 2012, 05:52:57 PM
Used to get dropped off here every Saturday when I was a kid-

([url]http://gallery.unrealspawnboard.com/albums/userpics/10006/strand.png[/url])  ;D

The Sanford Theater in Irvington, NJ, was my Saturday dumping grounds. Mom would drop me off, and I'd see a triple-feature. Wild stuff, too, like all those K. Gordon Murray Mexican kiddie-flicks: "Little Red Riding Hood Meets the Monsters," "Puss 'N Boots," "Santa Claus vs. The Devil," etc. And Rankin/Bass films like "The Day Dreamer," "Willie McBean and His Magic Machine," "Mother Goose On the Loose," and "Mad Monster Party." I can't believe back then how kids 6-12 years old were just dropped off by themselves for 5 hours, and nothing ever happened! Today, parents would be arrested for neglect, child endangerment, and whatever else they could think to charge them with.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 23, 2012, 06:00:26 PM
Another idea that would help theaters is to use fan groups and reenactors to set up displays and live demonstrations for movies of their genre.  For example, when 13th Warrior came out I met with a local theater manager to set up a Viking display with my group of Viking reenactors "FOR FREE" to help suppor the film.  He declined.  Live action anything always helps out not just promoting the film but the theater as well.  It provides more entertainment for the patrons "FOR FREE".  It is an unused resource.  I was used to set up a display for Return of the King and it was very well received by the public.  Our Historical group also set up for Saving Private Ryan and that too was very well received.  We had WW II vehicles, uniforms, weapons, tents and all sorts of other items on display.  I can also set up Victorian for films like Dark Shadows, The Wolfman, From Hell and The Woman in Black.  Star Trek and Star Wars fans sometimes set up to support those films but are not used often enough.  Managers are just not taking advantage of what they can get "FOR FREE" in their areas.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 23, 2012, 06:11:21 PM
Used to get dropped off here every Saturday when I was a kid-

([url]http://gallery.unrealspawnboard.com/albums/userpics/10006/strand.png[/url])  ;D


Where was this? Is the Strand still in business?

 ???
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: general gruesome on May 23, 2012, 07:33:05 PM
I was always a fan of movie theaters, I mean who isn't? but I always was really into drive-in theaters the most
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 23, 2012, 07:39:49 PM
Drive-Ins are another example of theaters that went the way of the Dodo.  I know there are none in anywhere near my home vacinity.  Not sure how many are still alive in the US anymore.  I always enjoyed them except for those lousy speakers that hardly ever worked.  Plus, I was too young for the Drive - In make out experiences so I only got to watch the movies.  Godzilla and Planet of the Apes always played well in Drive - Ins.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: general gruesome on May 23, 2012, 07:44:59 PM
There are a few drive-ins where I live, but most are gone. I like the classic and original drive-ins, like the ones that were built and opened in the 1940s and 1950s, something about that era and the times, I really like
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Flower on May 23, 2012, 07:46:24 PM
My parents used to go here on dates and took me there as a baby/toddler ...

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Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: general gruesome on May 23, 2012, 07:49:46 PM
That is really cool!!
My parents used to go here on dates and took me there as a baby/toddler ...

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Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 23, 2012, 08:00:31 PM
I am really digging those nostalgic pictures you are all finding and posting.  Great memories.  Shame that is all they might ever be is memories.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 24, 2012, 02:11:58 AM
One more thing.  After responding to another post on here I was reminded of the whole 3D ploy and gimmick.  The film industry knows it is failing and is pulling out all the gimmicks to try to make a buck.  I refuse to pay the higher ticket prices of 3D.  If a film is only released in 3D then I will wait for it to come out at Red Box. 

So after thinking some I can truly say, that although some of my fondest memories are of great movies seen in movie theaters with lots of enjoyment and entertainment I am now ready for theaters to completely fail and be wiped out.  My fond memories are in the past completely.  I have experienced no joy in the past seven to ten years watching a film in the theater.  Wolfman not included.  I was serving overseas and just grateful to be able to see that film in a theater at all.  Especially after being kept waiting so long for its release "AND" scheduling my vacation so I would be home when it was first supposed to come out only to be very disappointed and having to go back overseas by the time it was "really" released.  Dreadfull mismanagement all the way to pure incompetence has finally convinced me that theaters should die.  I don't want to see the film industry vanish.  Rather, I want them to be taught a lesson in dollars and cents.  I want actors to go back to being low paid workers and film companies to make low budget productions where they have to use talent, resources, cleverness and ingenuity to create something out of nothing. 

Lets face it, our glorious memories of seeing Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Wars,  Gladiator, Lord of the Rings, and any other blockbusters you can name that gave us joy, pleasure, elation, fond memories of popcorn, sodas, Junior Mints and Milk Duds are in the past.  Most movies today simply disappoint.  Or we get gouged out of our hard earned dollars and in today's economy they are really hard earned. 

We have learned to adapt since we are adaptable creatures.  We now have Red Box, bargain bins at Wal-Mart, we don't have to wait long, we get to enjoy the movies in our own homes, eat what we want for a fraction of the cost and enjoy ourselves in many ways.  These are our new fond memories. 

Going to the theater now, at least for me does little but annoy me anymore.  I am just one of the first wave of folks who are fed up with those things we can't control such as the pricing, the quality of the films or of the actors, and the bad behavior of others who spoil our movie.  That first wave of us are building our own home theaters and leaving real theaters behind us in the dust of those wonderful old drive ins that have all but disappeared already.  The only thing we have control over is who we give our money to and how we spend it.  It is high time those living fat off our millions learn to listen to us, give us what we want or decline like the economy.   

We make our voices heard by expressing our displeasure over these things and over films like Dark Shadows but no one listens to us, they don't care as long as someone gives them the dollars they want they won't listen.  So let them loose their fortunes on bad business ventures, let them starve or not find a job, let our voices be heard through our lack of patronage until they have no choice but to listen and please the fans or parish and implode their industry.   

It is time the theaters die out.  Perhaps they won't with younger folks still going no matter what the cost, a months allowance, a weeks pay, a pint of blood.  But when our voices are mixed with the younger folks who become equally dissatisfied with the quality and what they get for their buck then the film industry will really have to listen or loose.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Street Worm on May 24, 2012, 09:17:35 AM
Where was this? Is the Strand still in business?

 ???


(Beautiful) Downtown New Britain, Ct.
Closed & torn down  :'(  in (I think) 1972

(http://gallery.unrealspawnboard.com/albums/userpics/10006/str2%20%282%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on May 24, 2012, 09:35:05 AM
Well, I don't want to see theaters die out. I'm one of those fortunate enough to live by a Drive In, and that's still a wonderful AND economical way to see a movie. Sadly, the generally horrendous quality of the movies these days keeps me from going more.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 24, 2012, 09:40:29 AM
(Beautiful) Downtown New Britain, Ct.


Are you a fan of the Rock Cats then? Here is a photo of my New Britain Rock Cats jersey:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/RockCatsJersey.jpg)

 8)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 24, 2012, 10:01:58 AM
So after thinking some I can truly say, that although some of my fondest memories are of great movies seen in movie theaters with lots of enjoyment and entertainment I am now ready for theaters to completely fail and be wiped out.  My fond memories are in the past completely. 

It is time the theaters die out.

I am really digging those nostalgic pictures you are all finding and posting.  Great memories.  Shame that is all they might ever be is memories.

You say it would be a shame that they may soon be relegated to being memories, yet you'd still like to see theatres die out. Do you not see the contradiction in your own words?

 ???

Going to the theater now, at least for me does little but annoy me anymore.  I am just one of the first wave of folks who are fed up with those things we can't control such as the pricing, the quality of the films or of the actors, and the bad behavior of others who spoil our movie.

You realize of course that your fondest memories of theatres are from the days when you were a kid and were the one misbehaving. Face it. You've just become an old curmudgeon. How do you think your sixteen year old self would react if he met you now? Would he not laugh and call you an old fart?

 ;D

...we now own one of the largest screen TVs, about to buy an even bigger one....

Are theaters now obsolete because of that? 

I know I am not the only one who is opting for the best in home theater entertainment.

No you're not. And I wish a pox on you and the rest of the home theatre crowd. Quite simply I'm an audiophile and you're the ones responsible for dumbing down speakers to the present slender shape that compliments wide screen TVs! The sound reproduction considerations of audiophiles have ended up a distant second to the home decor considerations of the mass market, in other words women. Aren't you proud? I hope they stop turning new movies into CDs until at least 25 years have elapsed and neighbourhood theatres pop up every few miles again and people start gathering there in the evenings to watch newsreels for a couple of bucks.

 >:(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: MDG on May 24, 2012, 11:31:59 AM
Hey Wolfman, pal.  For the most part, I agree with you.  There are some theater owners who are trying desperately to hang on and are raising concession prices which affects their loyal customers.  That's a tough way to run a business and it may be hurting them in the long run.  There are other theaters that haven't raised prices for admissions and concessions and are also hanging in there and getting by with some cleverness.  It's a tough call and tough times for them.  Most independent theater owners make a modest amount of profit and some even have other jobs they do to make ends meet.
Theatre owners basically make all their profit at the concession stand, whatever the model. up to 90% of opening week ticket  money goes to the distributor, and even second rum I don't know that that goes below 50%.

But it's a big reason why--in my experience--multiplexes don't really care if you hop to a second (or even third) movie on one ticket. They'd get a small portion of your second ticket, but everything from your second drink.

We have a few drive-ins around here (all at least a 45-minute drive, though), but I can't get used to seeing a "real" movie there. For me, drive-ins are for horror or exploitation triple features.

BTW, over the past 10 years or so, all of the first-generation multiplexes (4-8 screens, usually attached to a mall) around here have closed and have been replaced by 12+ screen venues with stadium-seating. There's one family owned nabe still open in the city (second-run, split into two) as well as a few in outlying towns. There's also The Little Theatre, which opened in the 20s and mainly shows foreign/art house. They have 5 screens, but have done it by building on, leaving the original auditorium intact. They have to operate as a non-profit, though.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Haunted hearse on May 24, 2012, 12:03:19 PM
I'll continue supporting Movie theaters, and if there is an historic theater where you live, please support them, especially if they are showing vintage movies.  I loved seeing Frankenstein and Dracula in the historic Pomona Theater, before I left So cal., and I've gone to a couple of shows here in Wilson, at the 1919 former vaudeville house that was saved by the community.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 24, 2012, 02:51:13 PM
Hepcat - "You say it would be a shame that they may soon be relegated to being memories, yet you'd still like to see theatres die out. Do you not see the contradiction in your own words?"

There is no contradiction.  I once enjoyed going to a theater immensely.  Even if the movies weren't great at least it was a cheap form of entertainment.  Theaters however have "chosen" to make it no longer a cheap form of entertainment.  If a family of four goes to the movies with a ticket price of 7.50 (and that is less than the 3D price)  That is 30 bucks just to get in.  Not long ago I ordered a small popcorn and small drink, the smallest size they had and the cost was 10 bucks.  Multiply that by four and now you have a total cost for a family of four to attend one movie of 70.00 dollars.  That is not cheap entertainment!  And, you would have to be blind and dumb not to see the inherent problem with the expense of what is supposed to be "cheap" entertainment for the common folks.

Hepcat -   "You realize of course that your fondest memories of theatres are from the days when you were a kid and were the one misbehaving. Face it. You've just become an old curmudgeon. How do you think your sixteen year old self would react if he met you now? Would he not laugh and call you an old fart?"

I did not misbehave when I was younger and going to theaters.  I learned at a very young age to behave myself in public.  I was even the one at home watching King Kong or The Wolf Man on TV telling everyone to be quiet because I could not hear it. 

Plus, I can't believe you did not think that comment through.  When I was in my teens I had no cell phone, could not text anyone and just because I was a loner spent most of my time in theaters by myself so there wasn't even anyone to talk to if I "had" wanted to talk.  So, no, I was not in any way misbehaving in a theater even when young. 

Also, it is not always the obvious misbehave I am referring to.  A woman's child began to cry during an adult time slot showing of Harry Potter.  It took awhile before she finally left the theater, then came back with the still crying child to stand in the corridor to see the movie.  We could all still hear the crying child.  Not the child's fault that it has stupid parents mind you but the rules clearly state no crying children.  She simply did not care and not only ruined the film for a lot of us but the stress level goes even higher knowing my Wife is severely agitated and I have a hard enough of a time getting her to go to the movies at all because of crap like that. 

Another woman brought a young child to an adult time slot of Queen of the damned and the child ran up and down the aisles playing while mom did nothing to make her sit or stop her from bothering other patrons.  Not the child's fault she has a stupid inconsiderate mother.

Another woman brought in a small child to see the showing of AVP.  Not a film for a young child by any means.  The woman's child ran off to play up and down the aisles like the other one except this child was only about 2 to 3 years of age.  In the dark theater she almost fell down some stairs leading to the lower seats and another patron had to run and catch her.  The mother "STILL" never left her seat even as the man brought the child back to her.  And, how did he know where the mother was sitting?  Because that was how disruptive the child was, everyone in the theater knew who's child she was.  Not the child's fault that she has a stupid ignorant clueless mother with no motherly instincts to protect the child.  This is the kind of mother that looses her child in a store and blames everyone else for her not watching her child.  This child might end up on a milk carton one day. 

I can go on and on endlessly.  Back when I was young and going to movies I saw people kicked out for lesser infractions.  Today, managers won't expell anyone for fear of loosing the bad behaving patron at the risk of loosing all of the good behaving patrons.  Just poor management with no intelligence. 

Even though I used to like and enjoy the movie theater experience the times have changed for the much much worse.  That is not a contradiction.  Would I still like and enjoy theaters if the cost was more inline with a bad economy, if the costs were designed more to bring in volume not gouge those few who are still going, if the managers made sure our theater experience was unhampered by ill mannered patrons, if theaters offered 3D only as an option and not be mandatory to see that particular film, then yes.  Theaters would deserve more of a chance.  However, we can't control any of those factors and they are not about to change so the end result is theaters should get what they deserve, to have to close down. 

I know some people are sympathetic to small town independent theater owners who are just trying to survive and I can appreciate that however there are very few of those kinds of theaters anymore.  Most have been replaced by large corporate chains.  Even those are starting to close down. 

I live in a large metropolitan area and we are down to only three movie theaters in our city.  All related to either malls or strip malls.  Two of those are not doing well.  Only one, an AMC is still thriving.  I have seen two theaters open and close in the same mall.  I have seen other drop to second run movies and still close.  Other have converted to cinema cafe's and those are not doing well either. 

Whether I wish it our not theaters are closing and my only point is they deserve it. 

I can buy popcorn and drinks for less than two dollars most anywhere.  I expect to pay higher at a theater.  Maybe five dollars which is more than double.  But ten dollars for the smallest size of both, that is pure ridiculous.  If other comparable industries charged quadruple the going rate for anything no one would buy it and they would go out of business in the blink of an eye.  I can even go to Bush Gardens and eat a decent meal for that kind of cost and that is a huge amusement park which always over charges for food. 

Would I like for theaters to stay open, have "reasonable" costs and make the experience enjoyable by control unruly patrons, yes.  Are any of those things going to happen, no.  End result, they deserve to go out of business.  They are the ones who have created the home theater market but making it so unappealing to go to theaters anymore.   The fun has left the building.  Disagree if you wish but it would just be an opinion not supported by the facts. 

 


Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Flower on May 24, 2012, 03:43:59 PM
There are some very cool old theaters in this link ... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/19/oldest-movie-theaters_n_768456.html#s160391&title=Old_County_Theater (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/19/oldest-movie-theaters_n_768456.html#s160391&title=Old_County_Theater)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 24, 2012, 09:18:36 PM
Those theatres are rad cool! I wish there were more like that in my neck of the woods.

This was my neighbourhood theatre in London where I used to take in Saturday matinee double features with a cartoon for $0.20:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/Hyland.jpg)

Here it is these days:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/hyland1.jpg)

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Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 24, 2012, 09:39:13 PM
I once enjoyed going to a theater immensely.  Even if the movies weren't great at least it was a cheap form of entertainment.  Theaters however have "chosen" to make it no longer a cheap form of entertainment.  If a family of four goes to the movies with a ticket price of 7.50 (and that is less than the 3D price)  That is 30 bucks just to get in.


Yeah, I agree. The prices these days are egregious. The cost of a regular feature at my neighbourhood (well two miles away} Beach Cinema is ordinarily $10.99 and $13.99 for a 3-D movie. We therefore only go on Tuesday evenings when the price drops to $6.50 for a regular flick. We walk down so transportation costs us nothing. Moreover, rather than hitting the ridiculously overpriced concession stand for popcorn and drinks, we go to the Harveys across the street for hamburgers, hot dogs and poutine or the Swiss Chalet for rotisserie chicken either before or after the movie. Best of all is when we have discount coupons from the paper for the grub at these joints!

A repertory theatre a little over a mile away from us that we also like to patronize is the Fox:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/Fox2.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/Fox1-2.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/Fox6.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/Fox4.jpg)

It screens second run and classic flicks at cheaper prices. Ticket prices are $10 for non-members and $7 for members with membership costing $10 per year. The 3-D surcharge is $2. We've seen Dr. Strangelove, Barbarella, From Russia with Love, the Graduate, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly, and It's a Wonderful Life in recent memory.

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Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 24, 2012, 10:44:58 PM
We have a theater one city over called the Naro that not only plays classic films, film festivals but also student film projects.  I was a technical advisor on a film that played there and the theater is still open and has been for many years.  Not sure how far back it goes but it has been there at least as old as I am, 49 years. 

I would not want to see that close down but really, they are a completely different venue and have been successful in that venue for a long time.  The city it is in, Norfolk Virginia is an artsy city anyway and supports opera, Broadway shows, musicals and of course this theater Naro. 

Although I love those old theaters, and love the nastalgia of them those are not usually the places you expect to find a first run film just released.  There was a wonderful old theater in Richmond Virginia where I saw two Harryhausen films and got to meet Ray Harryhausen himself.  The architecture of that theater is amazing and much like the Naro it is an artsy place now and does not show first run movies at all.  Many of those theaters we have our fond memories of, if they still exist are just that, historical relics that many are trying to keep preserved. 

I too have the ability and "have" filled my pockets with snacks from home not to save money but as my civil disobedience and my silent protest to the gouging.  Since being diagnosed diabetic, "IF" I attend a film I now take a large container of ice water to drink rather than the bucket of soda they offer. 

But I still protest and put up a fight against these theaters because although I can afford to go or buy whatever I want there are many who struggle daily with finances and the economy and I see no reason to gouge them just because they  want a little out of the house entertainment.  Theaters should be more sympathetic and remember their roots as cheap entertainmant for the common folk.  I feel that way about actors salaries too.  Demanding such high figures only adds to the dilema when really, how many millions do you need to survive.  Many actors also don't realize that by demanding those high salaries, we demand perfection from them.  If they would simply agree to lower pay then we would just enjoy them less critically even if they weren't perfect.  I am a fan of Johnny Depp as a rule but look at what happened in The Tourist.  His portrayal and that of Angelina Jolie plus the whole film got slammed.  Why? Was it that bad?  Or are we just expecting perfection because of the high cost of the film largely due to their demand for high pay. 

Although I find it hard to blame most actors, any of us, if truth be told would want the highest pay possible regardless if we really earn it.  They are no different.  But, that said, if I were in the industry myself I would be a vocal advocate for lowering pay demands so more films could be made without breaking the bank every time to do it.  They have all got to wake up and see the bad road their industry is going down and do something about it now before it becomes too late to turn back.

Sad part is, that i have loved going to the theater since I was a kid and would still go if not for some of the things mentioned even though I have an awesome home theater system.  Plus, I talked a friend into using some wasted space in his house to build a real movie theater.  He has a 102 inch screen, with special acoustical drywall in there plus Blu-ray and state of the art surround sound.  So any time there is a special film I want to see with more bells and whistles than even my home system I simply go to his house.  I have seen The Wolfman, the new Star Trek, The Dark Knight, and a number of others with him in his very swank and cushy home theater.  I would say that has been enormously fun except he does not like us to eat popcorn in there because he is afraid we will touch the leather seats with greasy fingers.  So back to my place where we can have not only popcorn but nachos, hot wings, pizza or anything else that tickles our fancy.  I can always buy new chairs but I am not going to let anything stand in our way of the most enjoyable movie experience I can muster up. 

What set me on this path by the way is attending the last few films I did sitting there with no snack, no drink at a mattinee thinking to myself how bad it sucked.  After seeing The Woman in Black I have not been back to the theater.  I would love to see Prometheus on the big screen but just won't do it, I refuse.  I also discovered after just receiving my DVD of Underworld Awakening that I enjoy it now "more" just sitting in a comfortable recliner, eating what I want to snack on and drink and although I do not have my big screen with me on this deployment I did buy a decent sized 39 inch for my room.   So I have had a blast watching everything from the Jetsons, to the Tarzan TV series, Star Trek Enterprise and some very good classic films both horror and science fiction without any of those annoyances that just irk me too much to enjoy a movie in a theater any more.

Will theaters eventually die, I think so.  I did not realize until today how many in my home city that already have.  I started thinking about how many were left and how many went out of business already and the number is staggering out of business.  At one time there were so many to choose from, now we are down to three and really only two, the third one is for a region way on the other side of town so they get the locals there and we are close to the other two theaters.  That is all that is left.  Two Regal Cinemas and one AMC.  Oh, and dig this.  The Regal closest to me renovated to add the curved screen and new seats but the geniouses did not realize by adding the curved screen (sorry, I forget what that is called and what it was for) they forgot to change the projector so now all the films are blurry around the endges.  Real smart huh?  The last film I saw there, and this tells you how long ago was Revenge of the Sith.  I thought Lucas just rushed it out and it was a terrible example of CGI.  I was wrong.  We saw it at Regal because we did a live display for the film of props and such and got to see the film for free.  I thought it was dreadful but then, on a whim decided to catch it at AMC.  Their screen and projectors are perfect and the film was technically great.  So it turned out to be the theaters big flub.  I have not been back since and did not even use my free passes.  I am stuck going only to AMC or nothing which these days it is nothing.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Street Worm on May 25, 2012, 06:06:39 AM
Are you a fan of the Rock Cats then? Here is a photo of my New Britain Rock Cats jersey:

([url]http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/RockCatsJersey.jpg[/url])

 8)


Had to look them up...lol-
I moved out of New Britain in '69 or '70, so they're a bit past my time there.
I'm pretty sure the big stadium where they play is where we used to watch
Fourth of July fireworks in the '60s, though-

Just a few wood bleachers there, then~  ;)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 25, 2012, 09:43:15 AM
...a friend ... has a 102 inch screen, with special acoustical drywall in there plus Blu-ray and state of the art surround sound.

I'm betting that he does not have state of the art surround sound. That would require five identical full range speakers which is the way to get the best sound. If he has derivative center channel and rear speakers instead of identical co-equal speakers, his audio is not state of the art.

 ???   
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 25, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
Theatre owners basically make all their profit at the concession stand, whatever the model. up to 90% of opening week ticket money goes to the distributor, and even second rum I don't know that that goes below 50%.

Now that's interesting. Does the percentage of the admission price going to the theatre increase after the first week then? If not, when does it increase? I'd much rather support the theatre than the Hollywood studios and the grotesquely overpaid movie stars.

And I really don't give a damn who the actors are playing in a flick. The only big name movie stars that might attract me to flicks are Godzilla, Rodan, Gorgo and Reptilicus.

 ???
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Opera Ghost on May 25, 2012, 10:49:38 AM
Now that's interesting. Does the percentage of the admission price going to the theatre increase after the first week then? If not, when does it increase? I'd much rather support the theatre than the Hollywood studios and the grotesquely overpaid movie stars.

And I really don't give a damn who the actors are playing in a flick. The only big name movie stars that might attract me to flicks are Godzilla, Rodan, Gorgo and Reptilicus.

 ???

In short yes, but studios make individual deals per Theatre chain, and film packages (they often commit to a film package which has an A status along with a lesser film). It is true that Theatre concessions is there primary, and there is a shift from opening weekend to subsequent weekends in the percentage of the take.

While this exists, as a part of the industry which is my livelihood, as a consumer and parent, we make more decisive choices surrounding our movie going compared to that of the the teens who are buying the majority of the tickets today. We have actually theatre locations due to the noisy and rude demographic at one location, to a more respectful crowd at another. As we have a 4 year old which we take to see some films, we take him to the first film of the day on weekends, where there are likely other kids his age, so his talking, albeit minimal if at all, is more accepted.

Cell phones/texting and rude teens/adults are never acceptable

The price of concessions is exorbitant in relation to the mark-up. We are lucky in that given that we do not attend movies more than once a month typically, I will splurge because it is a part of the movie experience. My personal philosophy in attending is if it will be a better experience in a Theatre vs my home theatre. I like to be immersed and taken out of my world for two hours. This is not possible typically at home.

Movie theatres in some cases are dying because the smaller owner/operators cannot keep up with the expense of the conversion from film to digital and 3D, however the larger chains are able to shoulder the expense with the finance deals in some cases worked out with banks and studios. Its is a shame too, that the littler venues suffer as they are often the most beautiful, not to mention historic. In LA, many (but not all) are lucky as the LA Preservation Society has jumped in and had many of these declared Historic, and in the case of "El Capitan", Disney funded the refurbishment to accomodate a venue for their premieres.

We have a few Drive-ins around the LA basin, and they survive by having other financial resources during the day such as swapmeet/fleamarkets.

Mostly, I would say that Theatres are evolving to that which they once were...Amusements...as 3D as we know it, is only a step in the continue evolution of the movie theatre.

OG
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Dr. Jitters on May 25, 2012, 11:23:19 AM
Hepcat wrote:
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The only big name movie stars that might attract me to flicks are Godzilla, Rodan, Gorgo and Reptilicus.

 :laugh:

I'll continue supporting Movie theaters, and if there is an historic theater where you live, please support them, especially if they are showing vintage movies.  I loved seeing Frankenstein and Dracula in the historic Pomona Theater, before I left So cal., and I've gone to a couple of shows here in Wilson, at the 1919 former vaudeville house that was saved by the community.

This is also another interesting effect that is happening more often now.  Communities coming together to save an old theater or joint-ownership by a community.    Someone else mentioned a theater becoming a non-profit and that's another way small theaters have survived.  "Socialism" at its best --   ;)  when the society works together for their own benefit rather than one individual's self-interest.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Fester on May 25, 2012, 12:02:51 PM
Somehow this seemed apropos.
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Seriously some places have succeeded in reducing this problem.

Alamo Drafthouse takes on texters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeMEr_vBzBk#)

Here is the whole message.   Warning! Plenty of NSFW words. This fool is peeved!

Don't Talk - Angry Voicemail (Uncensored) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3eeC2lJZs#ws)

If it wasn't a 2100 mile (one way) trip to that theater, I'd be a regular patron!
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Jim Bertges on May 25, 2012, 03:12:39 PM
As someone who has worked in both theatres and in the film industry I find this a very interesting topic of conversation. Yes theatres are changing and small, independent theatres are dying out. It's really all about money, studios are after a big opening weekend because the theatrical release of a movie is just a commercial for all the ancillary sales they'll be making down the road. A higher grossing movie will make more money on DVD, On Demand and streaming and it will sell more merchandise and it will generate a sequel which restarts the cycle. With any luck they'll have a franchise on their hands. Theatre chains are charging more for admission because fewer people are attending and in general a majority of the ticket sales goes to the studios, the studio percentage starts out really big the first weeks, then as admissions slow down, the studio share decreases and the theatre's share increases. As we all know the profit center of a theatre is the concession stand.

Something else that has changed over the years is the audience. Since studios are still aiming their output at that golden 18 to 35 demographic theatres are full of young folks who are used to sitting in their living rooms, talking, commenting and telling people on their TV screens how to behave. They don't know any better than to have some respect for their fellow movie goers because they think they're still in their living rooms. Theatres could curb this by simply sending an usher through the auditorium every 20 minutes or so just to express their authority. But they'd rather keep that manpower behind the concession counter.

Something that I haven't seen mentioned is one of the reasons the theatre going experience is such a memorable one. You are a part of a large group of people experiencing the same thing at the same time. It's that audience interaction with what's going on up on the screen and with each other that you'll never get sitting in your own living room. This is particularly true of comedies and horror films where things seem funnier or scarier when the whole audience is laughing or screaming at the same time. That's another reason theatres will never entirely disappear.

This thread has made me very nostalgic for the old days when I worked theatres, but I'll save that for another thread. I love those grand old single auditorium theatres large and small where Saturday afternoons were spent exploring worlds of imagination.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 25, 2012, 04:28:41 PM
Thanks for posting that voicemail Fester.  Illuminating.

That reminded me of the Twilight fan girl who thinks werewolves are not big scary monsters and that the Wolfman film was just copying Twilight.  Some people are so clueless it is amazing they manage to feed themselves or wipe their a**. 

This voicemail illustrates a number of issues besides the fact the girl is a blithering idiot. 

First, denial.  She did not know she was not supposed to text.  Of course, she did not read any of the warnings not to text as I am sure they are posted.  What happens when people are immature in the extreme is the denial of responsibility for their actions.  It is never "their" fault. 

This is illustrated by those who, when being rude and someone calls them out for it claims that person is being rude to them.  It is stupid and ridiculous but happens far too often in our society today because people are being raised to reach much less levels of maturity than in the past. 

Second, the rules don't apply to her.  How many adults in today's world think the rules don't apply to them.  Sure, we know we are not supposed to text and drive yet there are still those who think they can do it with their skill level and that those rules don't apply to them.  Then, when they kill someone it is everyone Else's fault but their own.  No responsibility for their actions and no remorse. 

Third, and I do apologize to those young people who are better than this but today's youth and even many adults are just not mature enough to handle technology and the discipline it requires.  If you own a cell phone, and we all do it takes discipline to leave it in the car when you enter the movie theater as I do "all" the time with no exceptions.  If you are attending a movie then you will be out of contact with others for a period of about two hours so you don't need that phone.  Train yourself to do the right thing.

I attended the sneak preview of Last Samurai.  There was a man sitting behind me in a pretty full theater.  His phone rang and he answered it before the film started so I said nothing.  Then the one and only preview started while he was still talking.  I still said nothing because it was a preview although I usually enjoy hearing them.  Finally, the movie began and he was still talking.  I can be quite mean and scary when needed although I am usually considered jolly.  I yelled with a theater trained projection "Get off the "expletive" phone, now!  Here is the funny part, ready for it, not only did he get off the phone but I saw about twelve other people grabbing their phones and quickly turning them off. 

The story illustrates that some people are simply careless.  Some "forget" to leave their phones in the car or "forget" to turn them off when the giant screen in front of them "tells" them to.  That is pure carelessness but "almost' forgivable, almost.  Then there are those who "know" what they are doing and simply do not "care" about anyone else around them, sorry but mostly the younger generation.  There are also those around, the peers who sit in silence suffering and annoyed who won't put "peer" pressure on the others to behave.  It is all of our responsibility to put that "peer" pressure on those misbehaving to straighten up or get out.  Fortunately I am big enough to back that up but I will also back up a lady or anyone else smaller who is brave enough to speak out so they will always be safe when I am around.  They never need fear retaliation when I am there and I know there are others like me out there.

Technology requires training to use and discipline to use it "properly".  Train yourself to do the right thing.  It takes discipline and training to pull your care into a parking lot and stop if you need to have a phone conversation.  In the Fire Department and the Military is the same way we "have" to train ourselves to do the right thing.  It does not always come easy or naturally but it is necessary.  Doing the right thing can be, leaving the phone in the car, turning it off, saying to someone else for not complying, not texting when it is not appropriate or even dangerous, using our technology the right way to make our lives better not the wrong way to make others miserable, annoyed or even hurt them with our carelessness. 

I applaud that theater for taking a stance.  If more did that then our movie experiences would be much more enjoyable.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Terry on May 25, 2012, 08:56:43 PM
The last movie I saw in a Theatre was " Patriot " with Mel Gibson, Going to the movies use to be fun, Not anymore, people are ignorant and loud, I wait until the movie I want to see is put on  DVD.  >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 25, 2012, 09:24:28 PM
I'm betting that he does not have state of the art surround sound. That would require five identical full range speakers which is the way to get the best sound. If he has derivative center channel and rear speakers instead of identical co-equal speakers, his audio is not state of the art.

 ???

Not really sure why you would say that "without" knowing what he has but ok.  SInce I am not an expert I wrote to see what he has and this was his response.

"Hi Rick,
This guy is not very knowledgeable about home theater audio. Having all identical full range speakers has nothing to do with state of the art surround. No more than having all the tires on your car made by the same company would make it a "state of the art" car. It just makes it more likely to sound balanced and matched all around. It is very expensive and problematic to have five or more "identical full range" speakers, especially the center channel, and I would guess that less than one in a thousand home theaters are so equipped. Many people have been using five or more identical speakers for home theater since home theater began. It's just that most of them use smaller "non-full-range" speakers, so it's nothing new. By "full range" speaker I mean that a separate subwoofer would not be needed as all the speakers go to perhaps 20 Hz or below. Most state of the art home theaters do not have large identical speakers all around, and even very few dealer's showroom setups have them either. "

I don't have anything like that myself because I won't run exposed wires to the rear of my room although I know a way using molding to hide the wires I am still studying my room to determine the best way to do it and keep the room looking good.  I have considered a sound bar because I have very limited space next to my TV for tower speakers.  Rear sound does not mean that much to me personally but it does to my friend who spent a great deal of money on his system not withstanding studying the equipment for a long time and using meters to test the sound and accoustics in all corners and area of his theater.  His home theater is the same quality you find in Hollywood mansions. 
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 25, 2012, 10:50:41 PM
Not really sure why you would say that "without" knowing what he has but ok.  SInce I am not an expert I wrote to see what he has and this was his response.

Well I did say I was betting and I was betting wisely by playing the odds.  Your friend himself says that not one in a thousand home theaters is equipped with five identical full range speakers.

This guy(Hepcat) is not very knowledgeable about home theater audio.

That's correct. I already indicated that I have zilch interest in home theater. My interest is in state of the art surround sound.

It(five identical speakers) just makes it more likely to sound balanced and matched all around.

Precisely. And having sound that's balanced and matched all around is a necessary condition for having a state of the art surround system. It's not of course a sufficient condition but it's certainly a necessary condition, just like having the right tires is a necessary condition for maximizing the performance of your sports car.

Having all identical full range speakers has nothing to do with state of the art surround.

Yes it does. After all, it's a necessary condition.

It is very expensive and problematic to have five or more "identical full range" speakers, especially the center channel, and I would guess that less than one in a thousand home theaters are so equipped. Many people have been using five or more identical speakers for home theater since home theater began. It's just that most of them use smaller "non-full-range" speakers, so it's nothing new. By "full range" speaker I mean that a separate subwoofer would not be needed as all the speakers go to perhaps 20 Hz or below. Most state of the art home theaters do not have large identical speakers all around, and even very few dealer's showroom setups have them either.

That's precisely correct. And that's why hardly any home theater systems are equipped with state of the art surround sound. The big screen part of a home theater system almost invariably entails compromise when it comes to speaker considerations.

And speaking of cell phones, I have that covered. Not a single soul has ever been disturbed by the ringing of my cell phone. And that's not because I have it set on vibrate.

 ;)


 
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Gillfan on May 25, 2012, 11:53:21 PM
I've got to agree with Wolfman, the theater experience is not getting better.
I attend the cinema about 110-160 times a year. Yes, I see about 2-3 movies a week.
On average I attend 1-2 industry screenings a week. Sadly, even there the behavior is slipping. Except for showings in the Producer's Guild theater, I have seen people talking on phones, and texting, and  even using i-pads which are insanely bright.
I've seen well known critics, people you know from tv and newspapers and magazines, behave horribly and rudely.

Now the really sad part, I attend live theater frequently as well and the behavior is getting worse there too. At a recent show a teenager attempted to play a game on his phone during the performance. People talk, people even try to use their phones. It's a sorry state of affairs.

All that said, I love the cinema so much I will keep going, but I will try to time my attendance to be with true fans. People who will be respectful of the craft. I will also hope that more theaters take the lead of the Alamo, and while I don't like beer and food-service during films, I do like much of what they do and thing the industry is better for it.

I just have to add that I'm old enough to have gone to Times Square theaters in the 70's -80's before the cleanup and even then, audiences were better behaved, except for the occasional sex and stabbing.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Flower on May 26, 2012, 07:58:11 AM
People should turn off all phones and devices upon entering theaters .. Now that I think about it, the theaters were telling patrons this but seem to have stopped in the past few years ...  >:(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 26, 2012, 03:06:05 PM
I can't believe back then how kids 6-12 years old were just dropped off by themselves for 5 hours, and nothing ever happened!

But something did happen. The kids had a good time and grew up right because they didn't have helicopter parents hovering over them all the time to stunt their interaction with their environment and thus their growth and development. These days of course the Society of Hysterical Mothers of America would hyperventilate at the thought of allowing kids to be kids.

 :o



Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Anton Phibes on May 26, 2012, 05:40:13 PM
I have a friend with Tourette's syndrome. He works a back breaking mover's job and has to pay child support because his ex wife cheated on him....and he wasn't ok with that. Imagine that.

When we go to the theater....he is better than people with no afflictions (he keeps it in check with nicotine).

One time when we went to see a flick....about 7 kids were at the theater with their mama. Mama and the kids wouldnt stop talking. So--my friend leaned over and said: "What was that last part--I didnt hear you." They looked at him and said :"What?!".  He then replied "well---as much as you are talking it must be better than the movie. Since I paid $8 to get in---I wanna be entertained. So  let's hear it."

They got up and left.

One time I was stressed over my job (and the resulting permanent nerve damage that came with an accident on said job). my brother came up from Kentucky and asked me to go to see "The Grudge".  While there---you couldnt even hear the movie over all the kids talking, texting, & screaming across the theater. Without even being aware I did it until afterwards I screamed at the top of my lungs to "SHUT UP OR GET OUT".

The result was a posse of hoodlums waiting outside of the theater, and my brother brandishing his bowie knife. He's also 6'5 and looks like a maniac. No further altercations.

Theaters area nightmare. Now the Rave is going to start serving mixed drinks. Which is gonna keep me from taking my kids there. Its bad enuff without kids getting sloshed on top of it. I wish they would pump them thru your house for the same price. I would pay it.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: 60sThru80s on May 27, 2012, 08:13:04 AM
I remember reading an essay about this by Harlan Ellison written a few decades before people were carrying cell phones into movie theaters. The complaint remains the same, and there is nothing new under the sun: people talking loudly to each other in the theater has the same root cause as people talking into cell phones in the theater. Some people just do not register in their own minds that they are out in public, not in their living room. If a spouse gets up in the middle of the film to go to the concession stand, the other spouse will yell out "hey, bring me back a soda" as if they think they are sitting on their couch and one of them is going to the kitchen, yelling "hey, as long as you're going to the fridge, bring me back a beer!"

It's like the movie theater is a "half-way house" between their own home and the outside world. They just don't consider themselves truly "in-public."
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 27, 2012, 10:44:24 PM
I was in one a few years back watching Gladiator with a friend at a mattinee when soneone actually thought they could get away with smoking.  As a Fire Inspector I could have shut down that theater until they ejected the person but since I was with a work out buddy we just stood up and threatened to beat their a**.  We did not smell it again but had we seen "who" it actually was copious violence would have ensued.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 28, 2012, 04:23:59 PM
When I was in High School, we had the coolest theater on the back side of Pembroke Mall.  It was a free standing structure that had two round theaters.  There was no center aisle in these theaters so all the seats were in long rows.  Made it difficult to get up and use the restroom but very cool none the less. 

I saw the first show on opening day of Empires Strikes Back there.  I also saw, opening day first show of Alien.  Good times. 

That theater was torn down to create an 8 theater cinema inside the mall.  The spot still stands empty and I pass it all the time.  A barren reminder of theaters perishing. 

The 8 theater cinema that replaced it closed down several years ago.  Now there is no theater in that mall. 

There is another mall called Lynnhaven that went up while I was in High School.  It had a six theater cinema inside and downstairs and a four theater cinema upstairs.  I saw numerous films at both but both are now closed down.  While these theaters were still open they build on the edge of their parking lot an 8 theater cinema.  Then the inside ones closed and shortly thereafter the outside one closed.  Then, a few years back they build another outside theater near their food court.  This is one of the few remaining theaters in the city.  It caters mostly to young teens and young adults.  Some time ago my wife and I attempted to see a film on a Friday evening, arguably one of the busiest times to go.  It was an unsuccessful attempt.  There were so many incidents of cursing, near fights, security guards trying to corral teens and kick some of them out that we abandoned the attempt.  We have not tried to see another film on a Friday or Saturday since.  Those days are definitely off limits to us even if we were to attempt to attend a film. 

On a road near our Ocean front tourist area there was a theater, twice in the same location.  Both times it failed and closed down. 

In an adjacent city there was a very cool 6 theater cinema with a Piccadilly Cafeteria inside Military Circle mall.  It was a fun time to see a film then hit the cafeteria since it was decorated like a medieval castle.  I saw Excalibur there many times during its first run always eating at the cafeteria afterwards.  This mall then build an outside 8 theater cinema, afterward closing down the inside theater.  This mall converted over time to an urban mall and everything that means.  With shootings, drug dealings and stabbings in the parking lots the outside theater soon closed.  This mall then build an inside theater again but has nearly the same resulting problems and violence inside.  My store was located originally just opposite the theater.  In the year my store was in that location I had numerous cases of vandalism to my property from the movie patrons. 

I relocated my store to another mall in another adjacent city, Chesapeake.  Inside this mall was a nice theater once where I saw the last showing on opening day of Return of the Jedi.  The theater was packed, every seat filled and we gave a standing ovation and everyone screamed in delight when Vader threw the Emperor off the throne room platform to save his son.  That was an awesome show.  Then that theater closed down shortly after and has now reopened with very limited success as a Cinema Cafe showing second run films. 

Another local theater in my home city closed down and has reopened as a second run Cinema Cafe owned by the same people.  Again, limited success even with showing Monday Night Football and offering free munchies. 

A cinema located a little further from the tourist area but on the same road had two theaters and originally offered first run movies but then was relegated to showing second run films for a dollar admission fee.  I saw Return of the Jedi there for the last time before that theater converted to a Vet office.

There is another history I will share of a theater that will interest monster fans.  We had a theater on the main strip of the tourist area next to the ocean front.  This was a very old theater in a historic style architecture.  They embraced that old style to the hilt and would have midnight creature features.  I saw Fantasm there with a double feature of The Fog.  The theater altered its lobby to look like a Gothic Victorian parlor.  How cool is that!  The theater did not survive long but then reopened as a Haunted House attraction for the tourists.  This was a favorite landmark for many years.  Finally and sadly, not too many years ago it was closed down and demolished.  When I was in Inspector class one of our instructors used that building as a teaching tool with a number of slides showing all the unauthorized alterations and code violations.  I had fond memories of that place and part of its charm was all those alterations.  Made it quite scary inside knowing how dangerous the building actually was.  None the less, its time has now passed.  I was very sad to see it go.  The parlor lobby had gotten even more monsterfied over the years to play to the tourists. 

We still have a haunted Pirate attraction and another Haunted House further down the Avenue but those have limited openings during tourist season.  My wife and I have attended both on a number of occasions for that cheap Halloween thrill. 

It was this thread that got me thinking about all the theaters I have seen come and go in our large metropolitan city and some of the adjacent cities.  Theaters have truly struggled to stay afloat and most have not.  I also see the current theaters declining.  Less showings, less matinees, problems with first run showings and audience behavior, these theaters all have expiration dates on the horizon. 

Just like diners on Route 66, we may one day remember those theaters as relics of a bygone era as we sit at home watching movies we streamed from the Internet.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on May 28, 2012, 06:02:29 PM
If theatres all close, big budget movie production will cease as well.

 :(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on May 28, 2012, 06:14:48 PM
If theatres all close, big buget movie production will cease as well.

 :(

Considering the product we're getting versus the expenditure, that seems like a bonus.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on May 28, 2012, 07:04:46 PM
I personally think they should go back to the lower budget studio format of making movies anyway.  They can re-use sets, costumes, and props over and over again.  Use contract players for the actors, and contract directors, writers and every other crew positions.  They should work hard to find every way to shave dollars off the production cost.  And, or, give more opportunities to the low budget independants.  As I predicted, that would mean those super mega high paid actors would be dinosaurs and extinct.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolf Man on June 04, 2012, 12:21:42 PM
This article recently came across the Internet about the dying Drive In Theaters.  It is very interesting and has some good nostalgic videos.  Check it out. 

Click here: Vanishing America: The Drive-In Theater | Gadling.com  (http://Click here: Vanishing America: The Drive-In Theater | Gadling.com)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: sixshooter on June 04, 2012, 02:46:19 PM
Here's one Theatre thats not going to die. check out the filmography.

   http://loewsjersey.org/alt/ (http://loewsjersey.org/alt/)

 
Lee
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: MoreGore on June 06, 2012, 03:17:08 AM
This article recently came across the Internet about the dying Drive In Theaters.  It is very interesting and has some good nostalgic videos.  Check it out. 

Click here: Vanishing America: The Drive-In Theater | Gadling.com  ([url]http://Click[/url] here: Vanishing America: The Drive-In Theater | Gadling.com)


Drive In Theater have been hurting for a long time now sadly. There is a real nice one in Ennis Texas outside of Dallas, I saw horror movie fest there 4 years ago it was great! Food is well priced reasonable.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on June 06, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
A recent development that I find grating in theatres is the "People" magazine type movie star promo loop that is now shown before the starting time of the scheduled movie. I'm not referring to the trailers for Coming Attractions but the loop shown beforehand. Pleeeaseeee! I don't give a damn about movie stars and I don't want to sit through an exposition about Hollywood films and the actors!

 >:(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Haunted hearse on June 06, 2012, 02:53:09 PM
A recent development that I find grating in theatres is the "People" magazine type movie star promo loop that is now shown before the starting time of the scheduled movie. I'm not referring to the trailers for Coming Attractions but the loop shown beforehand. Pleeeaseeee! I don't give a damn about movie stars and I don't want to sit through an exposition about Hollywood films and the actors!

 >:(
Actually, I perfer them to a blank screen, or what ever pop song is randomly chosen.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on June 06, 2012, 03:19:20 PM
I'd prefer newsreels but that's as likely as a cold day in hell. The Hollywood Studios of course prefer to promote their own.

 :(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on June 06, 2012, 03:26:25 PM
I'd prefer newsreels but that's as likely as a cold day in hell. The Hollywood Studios of course prefer to promote their own.

 :(

Newsreels?? Nah. I go to the movies to get away from that stuff. In the 30s and 40s they didn't have the information overload we deal with, and newsreels made sense. But classic CARTOONS?? I'm IN!!
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on June 06, 2012, 04:25:29 PM
Classic cartoons shown half an hour before the feature's starting time would be a smart idea for theater owners. If people arrived early to watch the cartoons, they'd have more time, and inclination, to hit the concession stand!

 ;)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: horrorhunter on June 06, 2012, 04:53:53 PM
Newsreels?? Nah. I go to the movies to get away from that stuff. In the 30s and 40s they didn't have the information overload we deal with, and newsreels made sense. But classic CARTOONS?? I'm IN!!
     I'm with ya, brother! Gimme some Bugs Bunny jerking those two hillbillies around by squaredancing them to death over those hills! Now that's entertainment.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on June 06, 2012, 05:01:13 PM
You know it brother!!

 (http://images.wikia.com/looneytunes/images/6/69/BugsbunnyHisteria!.jpg)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: horrorhunter on June 06, 2012, 06:45:17 PM
You know it brother!!

 ([url]http://images.wikia.com/looneytunes/images/6/69/BugsbunnyHisteria[/url]!.jpg)

     Yeah buddy. That's what I'm talkin' about! LMAO
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on December 04, 2013, 11:48:53 AM
I just found this picture of the Victoria Theatre of London, Ontario circa 1956 or so:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/Victoria_zps9166987c.jpg)

It was a classic grindhouse! It was the theatre where I saw Horror of Party Beach among other flicks.

 8)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Dr. Madd on December 04, 2013, 12:22:29 PM
Does anyone remember field of dreams? We need to be the ones to keep the theatres alive. If we use digital screens, they need to learn to make the movies look more like the old films, to keep alive the nostalgia.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Fester on December 04, 2013, 01:55:30 PM
Does anyone remember field of dreams? We need to be the ones to keep the theatres alive. If we use digital screens, they need to learn to make the movies look more like the old films, to keep alive the nostalgia.

Which Field of Dreams?
The Fantasy novel Shoeless Joe by WP Kinsella?
The fantasy movie Field of Dreams Starring Kostner, etal?
Or the movie set turned tourist destination, now corporate owned and about to become a 24 field commercial sports complex?
Who are "they" and why would they want to use modern technology top make movies look old?  The market isn't there.
Granted, movie theater attendance is at a 16 year low. 
But the movie makers are still raking in billions of dollars.
For better or worse, the old days of usherettes, newsreels, overtures, intermission carts, and no cell phones are gone. 
Maybe somewhere there might be a small movie house or restored movie palace that might on occasion run a classic picture.  But those places will always an exception--not the rule.
The Death Of Movie Theaters has been reported for many years.  I recall in 1973 seeing petitions posted in every movie theater in Salt Lake City (where I grew up) opposing "Pay TV."  Cable TV was just getting started in the region and everyone wanted to trade in their aerials and rabbit ears for HBO. And the movie houses were certain the end was nigh.   Guess what? There are more movie screens in Salt Lake Now than there were in 1973.
Here are some of the numbers:
I don't think theaters are an endangered species yet.

Drive-ins on the other hand . . .

http://www.the-numbers.com/market/ (http://www.the-numbers.com/market/)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: marsattacks666 on December 04, 2013, 06:59:53 PM
Definitely, the Drive-in is becoming scarce.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Monster Bob on December 04, 2013, 07:09:51 PM

Giant screen, 3D plasma keeps me home. Picture better that at my local digital theater. Hallelujah. 

Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: jimm on December 04, 2013, 08:07:12 PM
It's more a lack of anything worth seeing IMO....
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Haunted hearse on December 04, 2013, 08:10:25 PM
My family likes to go to our local theatre once a week.  If I still lived in So Cal, I definately would want to see films in the "El Capitan". 
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Fester on December 05, 2013, 12:36:42 AM
It's more a lack of anything worth seeing IMO....
That is why the last first-run movie I saw in a theater was Troy ::)
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: bigbud on December 09, 2013, 06:16:40 PM
Quote
People are digging deeper into their cocoons.  I wonder what we'll be like in another 20 years.

Maybe in our cocoons.....6 feet down....ha!
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: marsattacks666 on December 09, 2013, 06:21:39 PM
My family likes to go to our local theatre once a week.  If I still lived in So Cal, I definately would want to see films in the "El Capitan".


Good Theatre. The Egyptian Theatre, also cool.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: The Batman on December 09, 2013, 09:06:14 PM
My wife and I will still go to movies once in a while, ONLY when I know it's a LOUD movie.

Also see a show just before dinner, which almost always has the least number of people and talking idiots.

Only ONE theater we have been to recently enforces people getting thrown out for phone usage and they have a 2 min trailer about it, SHOWING someone being escorted out of the show.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on December 09, 2013, 09:25:57 PM
It's more a lack of anything worth seeing IMO....

Word.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on December 09, 2013, 09:26:52 PM
That is why the last first-run movie I saw in a theater was Troy ::)

Yeah...........seeing THAT would have put me off theaters too.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on October 14, 2017, 10:00:08 AM
If theatres all close, big budget movie production will cease as well.

Considering the product we're getting versus the expenditure, that seems like a bonus.

I personally think they should go back to the lower budget studio format of making movies anyway.  They can re-use sets, costumes, and props over and over again.  Use contract players for the actors, and contract directors, writers and every other crew positions.  They should work hard to find every way to shave dollars off the production cost.  And, or, give more opportunities to the low budget independants.  As I predicted, that would mean those super mega high paid actors would be dinosaurs and extinct.

I just don't care if a movie features big name actors or complete unknowns. In fact, I couldn't tell you what movies most of the "big name" movie stars played in anyway. To me they all might as well be unknowns.

I think that you have to be a star-struck Hollywood fanboy to care about big name actors. And I don't exactly hold Hollywood fanboys in high regard.

 cl:)

Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on October 14, 2017, 10:23:50 AM
All social outlets in public places are dying.  People are digging deeper into their cocoons.  I wonder what we'll be like in another 20 years.

Giant screen, 3D plasma keeps me home. Picture better that at my local digital theater. Hallelujah.

Yes, that's probably a major part of the reason why people have taken to cocooning more often these days.

My family likes to go to our local theatre once a week.

For better or worse, the old days of usherettes, newsreels, overtures, intermission carts, and no cell phones are gone.

Maybe somewhere there might be a small movie house or restored movie palace that might on occasion run a classic picture.  But those places will always an exception--not the rule.


It's precisely the neighbourhood theatres with those features that I miss. Those features made for a small-town community feel even in big city neighbourhoods. The massive multiplexes in suburban shopping centres just don't deliver the "going out to the movies" experience for me.

 :(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on October 14, 2017, 10:31:59 AM
i don't go nearly as much as I use to and I never buy anything from there no matter how hungry or thirsty I may be. Theaters were once very cheap and for the "common" person. That's how they survived during the great depression, they were air conditioned and were cheap enough that almost every one could still afford them.

I agree. And that ties in with movies being over-budgeted when it comes to how much the big name actors are paid. The movie studios as a result take a higher percentage of the box office receipts for first run movies these days leaving the theater operator to survive on concession income.

While I'm willing to patronize the concession stands at the surviving neighbourhood "repertory" theatres in Toronto, I resist doing so in multiplexes.

 :(
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on October 14, 2017, 10:39:26 AM
Plus I can drink adult beverages freely and at will. Win win win!

Indeed. Most young people just want to get bombed/plastered/zonked. They just don't appreciate the finer things in life:

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Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Monsters For Sale on October 22, 2017, 03:37:53 PM

For me, they died a long time ago. 

Too noisy, too dirty, too crowded, they don't play my kind of movies very often - and they are way too expensive for a single viewing.

I have a nice-sized TV (55 inches) and wait until any desired movie's Blu-Ray goes on sale.  I get as many viewings as I want, "making of" features, deleted scenes and commentaries - all for less than the price of a single ticket.  And food is whatever I want at bargain prices.

Show time is whenever the hell I want - even in the middle of the night.

No dressing up - or at all, if I want.  No driving and searching for convenient parking.  I always get the best seat in the house without talkers sitting behind me.  No one ever scrapes past me, making a mid-movie nature call.  (But I can put the show on pause, if I get the urge - or back it up, if I miss a line.)

I control the volume.  I don't have to go deaf unless I choose to.

Call me a curmudgeon, but I prefer to stay home.

Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Hepcat on October 23, 2017, 10:50:04 AM
Does your movie viewing room come equipped with the proper accessories for the full theatrical experience?

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Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: long live kong on October 23, 2017, 11:16:29 AM
For me, they died a long time ago. 

Too noisy, too dirty, too crowded, they don't play my kind of movies very often - and they are way too expensive for a single viewing.

I have a nice-sized TV (55 inches) and wait until any desired movie's Blu-Ray goes on sale.  I get as many viewings as I want, "making of" features, deleted scenes and commentaries - all for less than the price of a single ticket.  And food is whatever I want at bargain prices.

Show time is whenever the hell I want - even in the middle of the night.

No dressing up - or at all, if I want.  No driving and searching for convenient parking.  I always get the best seat in the house without talkers sitting behind me.  No one ever scrapes past me, making a mid-movie nature call.  (But I can put the show on pause, if I get the urge - or back it up, if I miss a line.)

I control the volume.  I don't have to go deaf unless I choose to.

Call me a curmudgeon, but I prefer to stay home.

Couldn't put it better myself!
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: BRICK on October 30, 2017, 06:02:39 PM
   I have probably only seen about half a dozen movies in a theater over the last 10 years. While there a still a number of films that I would LIKE to see when they first come out, there are very few movies that I NEED to see immediately. Although I still enjoy the theater experience (especially for comedies or horror films, where there is a group reaction); several factors limit my enthusiasm. Some of these include: the current price of movie tickets and concessions, quality and variety of the movies being released, movies are now projected digitally (I can tell the difference), image too dark because theaters have the bulb set to ďeconomyĒ in an effort to make the lamps last longer, sound too loud, dirty/sticky theaters, noisy/rude audiences, etc.

   Admittedly, I have a movie room with a Hi-Def projector and a 100Ē screen, so I can watch whatever I like, whenever I like. By the way, the newly restored Universal Monster sets on Blu-Ray are a real godsend in this department. When it comes to food, I can have the traditional popcorn/soda/hotdogs/pizza, or I could go fancy and have steak and lobster (okay, I havenít had those yet while watching a movie, but if anyone wants to bring them, you are invited for a film festival). The point is, Iím in control and I like that.

    However, I donít necessarily think that it is all gloom and doom for the theater industry; I think that they have the ability to re-invent themselves; but, to do so, they need to think outside the box. I have seen theaters advertise about renting out screens for parties or events, while this is a good first step, they could go MUCH further. I think that they should be showing older films on a regular basis, like what they did a few years ago with TCM and Frankenstein/BOF. They could go through AFI 100 top movies, showing a different one every week or month; or do an Oscar or different movie theme each month. Do surveys and find out what movies people would actually like to see. Bring back double or even triple features (i.e. show all three original Star Wars movies in a row). Have midnight cult movies on the weekends. Show William Castle gimmick movies, like House on Haunted Hill or The Tingler, complete with Emergo or Percepto.  Have raffles associated with the movie tickets; make movies fun again!

   Also, itís not just what they show, but how they show it. When I was growing up in Midland, Michigan, they had a restaurant called The Train Station. Basically, it was an old passenger train car that had been converted into a pizza parlor, and they would project old, silent 1920ís comedies (and the like) while you ate, and it was GREAT (like dinner theater). Walt Disney World has something similar with the Sci-Fi Drive-In. Iím not saying that every theater is going to tear out all their chairs and replace them with tables, but they do need to try different things to get people in the door. Most importantly, they need to offer value for your dollar; if a small popcorn and soda is now selling for $10, they canít hope to charge you $100, per person, for a sit down meal (unless, of course, itís steak and lobster [did I mention, I like steak and lobster?]).

   I had read that there was talk about offering ďsneak previewĒ packages for some blockbuster movies; whereby, you would get to see the movie either early or at its first showing. You would also get a souvenir kit with memorabilia from the film, which included a digital copy (when it became available) as well as refreshments during the showing. I would have splurged for something like this if they had offered it for TMCís Frankenstein/BOF! Speaking of memorabilia, remember when theaters used to sell movie programs at the concession stand? I would love it if they had a small Suncoast-style shop where you could buy movie collectibles. Not just that, make it so that you can reserve a DVD/Blu-Ray/Digital copy of the film right in the theater, and have those theater reserved copies sent out a week earlier than you could get them online or in stores (that would create some sales traffic).  Also, for added revenue, they could replace the video style arcades with the gambling style arcades (or maybe just add a laundromat in the back). As I said, it is possible for movie theaters to re-invent themselves, but they need to get innovative.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Wolfman on October 30, 2017, 06:27:35 PM
I rarely go to the movies anymore. Not enough good movies and too many obnoxious people keep me away. I like the comforts of watching at home.

JP
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on November 02, 2017, 04:14:04 PM
I still genuinely enjoy the theatre experience......but there is precious little I care to see. We still have a Drive In here, but itís been two years since there has been anything there worth seeing.

If they had a Classic Movie Wednesday or something, Iíd be a regular! But alas, even though I live in Satanís Waiting Room, packed to the gills with BlueHaired Palm Beachers barely clinging to life, they inexplicably refuse to cater to that market.......which renders their presence completely useless 😉.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Sean on November 04, 2017, 10:42:15 AM
I still genuinely enjoy the theatre experience......but there is precious little I care to see. We still have a Drive In here, but itís been two years since there has been anything there worth seeing.

If they had a Classic Movie Wednesday or something, Iíd be a regular! But alas, even though I live in Satanís Waiting Room, packed to the gills with BlueHaired Palm Beachers barely clinging to life, they inexplicably refuse to cater to that market.......which renders their presence completely useless 😉.

Seriously, I don't know what kind of ticket sales are typical for a Wednesday.  You'd think a multiplex could afford 1 screen to do classics.   I know I'd go. 
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Scatter on November 04, 2017, 02:18:32 PM
Exactly. One damn screen? Canít make that work? I walk in to screenings where there are 5 or 6 asses in the seats all the time. I know a classic series would outdraw THAT.
Title: Re: Are Movie Theaters Dying?
Post by: Sean on November 04, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
Exactly. One damn screen? Canít make that work? I walk in to screenings where there are 5 or 6 asses in the seats all the time. I know a classic series would outdraw THAT.

Absolutely.  Case in point, I took my 13 year old to see IT with her friend.  It was a 96-seat theatre with those big fat recliners----there were us 3 and MAYBE 8-10 other people.