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I'm putting all my doggy biscuits on the fella in the vest!!
no way. Classic Wolfman would use a rope a dope on him.
Quote from: hammerfan on April 29, 2010, 08:27:59 AM
no way. Classic Wolfman would use a rope a dope on him.
Nope "vest" boy would rip off classic Wolfman's arm and then use it to do a rope a dope on him!
Quote from: hammerfan on April 29, 2010, 08:27:59 AM
no way. Classic Wolfman would use a rope a dope on him.
I was about to say your dating yourself with this Ali reference....LOL....but we all get it, since we heard it originally!
OG
Yeah, Del Toro's WM would swat poor Lon's head off and go bowling with it.
You guys underestimate the power of the Lonster! LOL
Del Toro's Wolf Man whups Chaney's all day, every day.
Chaney has nothing to lose..... he just doesn't care! He would be all up on neo wolfman so fast and angry. Nilhlism and slacks will always beat a wolfman with Lucas hair and a vest :)
My moneys on Chaney Jnr. He's already duked it out with Frankenstein and Dracula. Plus he's much snappier dressed.
You take away the CGI effects for the new Wolf Man and my money's totally on Chaney Jr. And imagine if it was Chaney Jr the man in his prime versus Benicio Del Toro? Chaney Jr all day long!
Chaney is the man for sure, but all love for the original aside, the new wolf is just bigger, badder and stronger the Lon.
As much as I hate to admit it, the Del Toro Wolfman would rip the Chaney Wolfman to shreds.
The Del Toro Wolfman is all CGI and no real substance. The battle scenes look like something from a kid's video game. Anyway, this discussion will be pointless in a year or so after the remake is long forgotten.
I agree ...the only thing the new Wolfman has over the original is CGI and an ''R'' rating. Gives those things to Lon and LOOK OUT!
i dunno. might be a tie. ;D
Chaney's messing with the wrong Mexican!
Quote from: Gasport on April 30, 2010, 09:30:26 PM
I agree ...the only thing the new Wolfman has over the original is CGI and an ''R'' rating.
Which, in my book, gives Lon the win.
Now if Del Toro was as high as he was in Fear & Loathing, he might take Chaney...
***** A CHAINSAW IN MY HANDS AND THE NEW WOLFMAN IS MY DOGS TREATS ****** I PICK LON WIN OR LOSE......... HE'S OLD SCHOOL...........ICEMAN..........
Put a fifth of bourbon between them instead of dog bones , and DelToro is gonna look like a chihuawua with a shaved butt by the time Lon's done with him. ;D
It's the Lon Wolf Man all the way. Modern Wolfmen can die just by pulling their heads off. Pffft.
Quote from: Mord on April 30, 2010, 08:24:09 PM
The Del Toro Wolfman is all CGI and no real substance. The battle scenes look like something from a kid's video game. Anyway, this discussion will be pointless in a year or so after the remake is long forgotten.
For the people here, Wolfman 2010 will
never be forgotten! ;) Seriously, I loved this movie and I think the CGI was used appropriately. As Baker said, if they had CGI in the 40's they would have used it too!
And new Wolfman would wipe the floor with UPS shirt wearing Wolfman.
Quote from: Mord on April 30, 2010, 08:24:09 PM
The Del Toro Wolfman is all CGI and no real substance. The battle scenes look like something from a kid's video game. Anyway, this discussion will be pointless in a year or so after the remake is long forgotten.
UM, I really hate to burst your bubble here, but the Del Toro Wolf Man ONLY had CGI for the actual transformation from guy to Partial wolf, such has the hand, the feet and some of the face during the full transformation when he was strapped to that chair. but the final stage was all make-up even the hands and the feet were all make-up in the final stage, the only other CGI used was when the wolf man ran on all fours in some of the scenes, otherwise it was all Del Toro in complete Make-Up. And the final battle scene was all Del Toro and a Stunt Man on wires since Hopkins was to old to do the stunts himself, the only full CGI wolf was on Hopkins in his Transformation at the end Hokins did not want to where the heavy mak-up as he explains this an an interview, and Rick Baker is on record for stating the Mak-Up used on Del Toro as ALL make-up and prostetics and that there were only small ereas that GCI was used during the transformation, the director is on record as well as stating that there's very little CGI used on Del Toro otherwise it was all him.
Stars1100
I'm sorry, but Del Toro's performance lacked the depth and compassion that made Chaney's so memorable. I simply didn't care about lawrence Talbot and that's a major problem with a film like this. The film was completely forgotten ten minutes after I saw it. The original Wolfman has haunted me since I first saw it at the age of eight. No souless cgi effects could ever replace that. BTW, I'll trade you Rick Baker, Greg Niccotero, George Lucas, and the entire ILM ranch for one Jack Pierce.
Quote from: Mord on July 29, 2010, 01:35:46 PM
I'm sorry, but Del Toro's performance lacked the depth and compassion that made Chaney's so memorable. I simply didn't care about lawrence Talbot and that's a major problem with a film like this. The film was completely forgotten ten minutes after I saw it. The original Wolfman has haunted me since I first saw it at the age of eight. No souless cgi effects could ever replace that. BTW, I'll trade you Rick Baker, Greg Niccotero, George Lucas, and the entire ILM ranch for one Jack Pierce.
That's cool man you are entitled to your opinion not every one is going to like something, I did like this film on many levels but I would have to agree on the fact that Del Toro's portrayal was not up to speed of that of Lon Chaney He created that character and it became him his creation of the character made him a wounded soul and that showed on screen when Lon played him that's what was missing from Del Toro but overall the new version I though was done well and as I stated before Very little CGI was used. Below are some clips from Youtube showing Baker doing the Mak-Up.
Stars1100
The Wolfman - 2010 Trailer Exclusive Footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD5yPjhwzlk#ws)
The Wolfman - Rick Baker Featurette (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YoNmr35pnU&feature=related#ws)
There is only one Wolfman. Lon Chaney Jr. The Wolfman was his and his alone. No one will every come close to bringing the Wolfman to life. He knew how to bring out the emotions from the audience both sympathy and fright. He brought to life the legend. Let's see DelToro pull off the scene where Larry enters the church and everyone starts to turn around and stare at him and Sir John notices and turns around and sees Larry getting stared at. He couldn't come close to that emotional scene. That's the other thing, Sir John was helpful to his son. He wanted him to forget the nonsense. Not try to kill him as he killed the rest of the family in the Del Toro version. I did not like that at all.
You can't realyy top the classics, but Wolfman 2010 did address some problems the original had in story and character. Let's be honest even the best of the Universal Horror films had some lapses in plot, but that does not detract from the overall product. JJ and crew did not set out to re-make Wolfman note for note, why even bother? They are two different stories dealing with two sets of different characters that follow loosely the same general story.
Quote from: Universal Steve on July 29, 2010, 03:09:28 PM
There is only one Wolfman. Lon Chaney Jr. The Wolfman was his and his alone. No one will every come close to bringing the Wolfman to life. He knew how to bring out the emotions from the audience both sympathy and fright. He brought to life the legend. Let's see DelToro pull off the scene where Larry enters the church and everyone starts to turn around and stare at him and Sir John notices and turns around and sees Larry getting stared at. He couldn't come close to that emotional scene. That's the other thing, Sir John was helpful to his son. He wanted him to forget the nonsense. Not try to kill him as he killed the rest of the family in the Del Toro version. I did not like that at all.
You'll get no arguments from me on that, Chaney was the Man and always will be the man, I grew Up with this classic as my favorite and it still remains my favorite. It was Lon's Character and it was something that He made, created on his own, as for del toro's version it was a different movie and bares a little resemblance to the original one, yes i would have liked them to make a more closer version but they did not and this is what we got it was not bad but it was not great either I liked it on many levals but the original one will always remain the best.
Face Of the Screaming Werewolf (AKA La Casa Del Terror) 1964 Youtube Tailer.
You don't get to see much but It dose show that Lon did play the wolf for the last time in a feature film, after that it was in some comedy show I think route 66. I do have the clip of the actual transformation I will post at some point on Youtube and send the link here. This is just the trailer.
Stars1100
The Face of the Screaming Werewolf (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syPX6U_Kp_M#)
This so cool. Is this film available somewhere?
Why bother to remake it at all? The characters were all so cold and unsympathetic that I really didn't care what happened to them. The only actor to evoke any kind of feeling was Hugo Weaving and that wasn't enough to carry the film. My objections to the special effects weren't with the process so much as the end result. We don't need the Wolfmen flying around on wires like frickin' Peter Pan. It really killed the realism for me (I felt like I was watching the Incredible Hulk). Whatever percieved faults the original films may or may not have had cannot be corrected by slick, passionless product like this. I guess some people prefer Van Helsing and the Bredan Fraser/Rock Mummy films to the Karloff ones but I think they're in the minority in the UMA (at least I hope they are). Thanks for the great clip, Stars1100.
Quote from: Opera Ghost on July 29, 2010, 04:22:26 PM
This so cool. Is this film available somewhere?
If you go to the Lon Chaney Jr. Site You may be able to buy the movie from Ron Chaney and Family who run the site, I do know that they have an online store, so check, it may be under the title La Casa Del Terror, it was never released here in USA.
Stars1100
I have to go with the original. I saw the new WOLFMAN and it had nothing to do with the original, they just got the same names and then changed the entire story. Hollywood needs to stop making bad remakes of great movies.
Amen!
The original has 70 years experience, yet doesn't age, and besides---his hair is always perfect, thanks to Jack Pierce and a comb and not computer enhanced over Baker's already flawless make up. ;D. The winner: LON CHANEY
Quote from: Mord on April 30, 2010, 08:24:09 PM
The Del Toro Wolfman is all CGI and no real substance. The battle scenes look like something from a kid's video game. Anyway, this discussion will be pointless in a year or so after the remake is long forgotten.
Lon has come back from the dead. The clock is ticking on Del Toro to do so.
Quote from: Sean on September 14, 2010, 10:13:29 PM
Lon has come back from the dead. The clock is ticking on Del Toro to do so.
That's HUGE Sean. Great point!
Lon Chaney Jr. set the bar and is far as I'm concerned no one has surpassed it. Del Toro's Wolfman is good, but how can he live up to Chaney's. It was and is Brilliant! Del Toro's has no chance. Lon Chaney Jr. Knock Out First Round. >:D