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Title: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Anton Phibes on June 25, 2009, 04:58:54 PM
Reports coming in that Michael Jackson died of a heart attack at age 50? ???

http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/06/25/michael-jackson-dies-death-dead-cardiac-arrest/)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON??
Post by: Paul L on June 25, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
Wow! I JUST read on Netscape that he was hospitlized. Ed McMahon, Farrah, now Michael Jackson. I don't have a superstitious bone in my body, but this "comes in 3's" thing...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON??
Post by: Scatter on June 25, 2009, 05:20:16 PM
Wow..........that's a shocker. RIP.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON??
Post by: Halloween Jeff on June 25, 2009, 05:27:03 PM
     Yeah, ABC News is reporting he passed away after a cardiac event...



Bizarro Jeff
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON??
Post by: hammerfan on June 25, 2009, 05:40:44 PM
he's in a coma. not quite dead
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON??
Post by: fmofmpls on June 25, 2009, 05:43:14 PM
Wow. I am so bummed. I can't believe it. I'm not the least bit shy in saying I was (and still am) a big fan of Micheal's music. Yes, believe it or not.

Billy Jean is still one of the coolest songs ever.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En-cHBv7UpA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En-cHBv7UpA)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON??
Post by: Mike Scott on June 25, 2009, 05:47:31 PM
LA Times and NBC News also reporting that he has died.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON??
Post by: Scatter on June 25, 2009, 05:48:05 PM
This is going to be Elvis-like in proportions. Actually, larger because the media is much more pervasive than in 1977, though Elvis was even more of a cultural icon at his death.

I'm seeing the coverage and wishing this ease of information dissemination was available when Elvis died, because it's nearly impossible to get good quality captures of the broadcasts of his death.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: poseablemonster on June 25, 2009, 05:50:44 PM
Wow, what a sad day.  I liked the Jackson 5 stuff when I was a kid.  You can't deny his impact on pop culture and music.  A very talented guy, I'm sorry to hear of his passing.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 25, 2009, 05:53:23 PM
Talented indeed, as well as incredibly self destructive. And the thing about the self destructive is that eventually they all get their wish.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: hammerfan on June 25, 2009, 06:03:50 PM
YUP its official.  a mixed up kid  but a lot of talent
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wicked Lester on June 25, 2009, 06:08:00 PM
I dug the Jackson Five when I was a kid. Michael's early stuff like Thriller was HUGE as far as early music videos go and is still great today. Can't say I was a fan of his but he did have HUGE impact in the pop world and had a ton of talent. WOW! Three gone in a few days. :o
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: CreepysFan on June 25, 2009, 07:04:47 PM
 I grew up a huge Jackson-5 fan, though I never cared for the adult Michael's music much.  This is a shock.  The J-5 brought a little happiness my way, and may Michael find happiness in peace.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: CreepysFan on June 25, 2009, 07:12:44 PM
 Don't know how to post YouTube on here, but one of the most beautiful songs I remember from youth was the theme from "BEN" by Michael.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Paul L on June 25, 2009, 07:37:41 PM
Quote from: Scatter on June 25, 2009, 05:53:23 PM
Talented indeed, as well as incredibly self destructive. And the thing about the self destructive is that eventually they all get their wish.
I agree. The man cut a tragic figure for years IMO. With respect & sadness, I'm not surprised he didn't live long.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Cinemacabre on June 25, 2009, 07:44:18 PM
He gave us Thriller - an homage to what we hold dear. I wasn't a fan of his but I'm certainly a fan of that song and, even more so, that video. I thank him for that.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 25, 2009, 07:44:53 PM
Quote from: CreepysFan on June 25, 2009, 07:12:44 PM
Don't know how to post YouTube on here, but one of the most beautiful songs I remember from youth was the theme from "BEN" by Michael.

For my friend Creepy.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSqo17o2a1w
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: ChattyLMS on June 25, 2009, 07:48:13 PM
QuoteThis is going to be Elvis-like in proportions.
I think you are right.  I feel bad about his death.  I'm not sure if he ever really found himself.  I find it odd though that just a couple of years people wanted to put him in jail and there was a lot in the media saying that he was weird.  In any case, a sad life.  I hope he has a safe trip up to heaven
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: mike c on June 25, 2009, 08:04:13 PM
A genius performer, a shy kid, and in the last 15 years, an amateur human being. That's no insult to the man who's passed on... if I'D been raised by Joseph and Katherine, I'd be pretty messed up too.
I had the chance to meet him a few times in the late 80's/early 90's. Shy, wonderfully self-deprecating sense of humor, and something rarely mentioned even by his own publicists and biographers (unless they're discussing Thriller) but very much appreciated by those of us in the UMA: a serious serious MONSTER FAN he was. His collections of monster goodies was incredible. His love of horror movies, especially Universal Monsters and Romero's zombies, was something to behold (it's why he came up with the song and video for Thriller!).
I was (still am) repulsed by what he'd become in the last decade or so; no amount of love of his music will rid me of that. But the memories of a healthier, seemingly saner and decidedly more lovable Michael will last just as long.
Let the canonization begin. In death he will become the same as John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe, ELVIS... and rightfully so.
One thing he always wanted was to be known and remembered throughout the world even after his death.
He certainly achieved that.
As sorry as I am that the trip was so crazy, Michael, I am sorrier, but not terribly surprised, that it was so short. I hope you're at peace, and that whatever your human failings and sins were, you have left them in contrition in the hands of God.

The stars that burn brightest die soonest.


Mike C.


Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Paul L on June 25, 2009, 08:09:24 PM
I'd too heard somewhere that he was a big monster fan, that he used to attend conventions in disguise.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 25, 2009, 08:12:29 PM
Nicely said Mike C.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: ChrisW on June 25, 2009, 08:18:15 PM
Agree, a fitting memorial Mike.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Bogey on June 25, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
Well done, Mike.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Dr.Terror on June 25, 2009, 08:25:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36sKMwbwfWc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36sKMwbwfWc)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: avenger on June 25, 2009, 08:31:57 PM
This has been a sad week all round.So many talented people gone too soon.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Monster Bob on June 25, 2009, 09:24:04 PM


Another Famous Monsters Convention 1995 story.

The one night (Saturday?), there was a big celebrity dinner and costume contest at the Universal Sheraton, on the Universal lot. Al Lewis was the MC for the contest, and because it was Hollywood, there were some of the best monster costumes I had ever seen. There were celebrities galore wandering the room (Adam West, Vampira, FJA, Angus Scrim, Ray Bradbury, Ray Harryhausen, and dozens more notables that just 'showed up', and not part of the convention formal). 

Sometime during the costume festivities, from a side door, came in the most fabulous Nosferatu costume i had ever seen. He was very tall (like 7 feet), a fantastic likeness, and built like a Disney Park costume, quality-wise. Superior, bar none. There was a screen in the neck so the wearer could function. Of course, a 4 year old little girl, dressed as the Bride of Frankenstein (I think) won the contest, the 15 or so contestants standing on a riser/stage with Al.  Afterwards, they all came down and mingled with the crowd. I went over and checked out the Nosferatu close up, and I was amazed. A 5-10 thousand dollar costume I was thinking, and I think he came in 3rd or 4th! I did go up to him and congratulate him on the great costume, and I got a little knod, but no speech. He then disapeared for the night, literally sneeking out the same way he appeared.

There was an article in the LA Times the next day, all about the convention (which received a lot of press), and even brought up the celebrity-studded costume contest and even Nosferatu. As it turned out, the guy in the Nosferatu costume was a celebrity, too- it was Michael Jackson! 


Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: poseablemonster on June 25, 2009, 09:28:17 PM
Great story, Bob.  That one made me smile on this sad day.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Illoman on June 25, 2009, 09:43:00 PM
My two Michael encounters were these: I recall shamefully hiding a copy of his Thriller lp that I was buying for my girlfriend as a gift (hey, I was a *rocker*!!) lest anyone I knew should see me, and when the Thriller album came out we were forced at work to play the video over and over to promote it. One day I couldn't stand it any more, and took a knife to that videotape!!

Mike

RIP Michael!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 25, 2009, 10:11:18 PM
 Michael Jackson............the last picture.

http://www.etonline.com/ (http://www.etonline.com/)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: FACTO2 on June 25, 2009, 10:52:28 PM
A lot of tallent.  A lot of personal pain.  R.I.P., Michael.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Anton Phibes on June 26, 2009, 06:47:52 AM
Apparently, though not everyone that worked with him thought he was the greatest. Victoria Price's book about her late father (Vincent Price--who never spoke badly about anyone publicly)has a rather odd comment regarding Jackson that was attributed to Vince regarding his collaboration with him.  I don't know if I believe what she wrote or not (because it doesn't sound like VP to me), but give it a read. ???
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wich2 on June 26, 2009, 10:55:53 AM
Anton, I believe I know the quote.

And I heard it from a source who claimed to have heard it from a guy who was there when it happened in Tower Records between Landis & Price.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wich2 on June 26, 2009, 11:02:46 AM
And Mike C., very well said indeed.

A TRULY tragic story; so very, very talented and with so much promise - but a broken human being. Pedophilia, in all its forms, is one of the very darkest threads running through our fallen race.

With you, I (in the words of Abraham Lincoln), "commend him to the care of the Almighty."

-Craig
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 26, 2009, 12:13:57 PM
Not to seem nit-picky, but if the quote in question has already been published somewhere why not simply state what it is??
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Anton Phibes on June 26, 2009, 02:49:51 PM
Well, the main reason is because I didn't want to turn the thread into an "opinionated/Ed McMahon" type of controversy, ultimately upset some people, and get it locked.  Also, Vincent Price is someone I hold in high regard, as some still do for Michael Jackson (I am not among them, but will respect the dead, and sympathize with his family in their time of grief.) So, I will simply say "read the book."
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Dr.Teufel Geist on June 26, 2009, 03:01:19 PM
The only thing I will say is, I liked his Thriller album, actually still have the lp somewhere on my shelf.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Crazy1van on June 26, 2009, 03:31:25 PM
Michael was a showman and entertainer extraordinaire, in his day.  I saw him in concert back in '88, and even from the crappy seats it was a performance I'll never forget.  As the so-called King of Pop he helped tear down a few boundaries and racist views.  THRILLER is as much an anthem to our army as MONSTER MASH is.  I'm not in mourning, but I am sorry to hear of his passing, and my heart still goes out to those who do mourn him.  
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Anton Phibes on June 26, 2009, 03:44:06 PM
The thing that really unnerves me is this: when he died, there were tons of negative commenters (on the website I linked this article to) saying really horrible things.  I like Thriller (Vincent Price! John Landis! Monsters!), but I am not a fan otherwise....although Weird Al certainly wouldn't have had such a well to draw from if not for Jackson's hits.  But I am digressing.  Back to point.

The media is hypocritical at best.  They spent the last few years utterly tearing this man down...now he's a suddenly a beloved star again (instead of "that weirdo") just because he died.  Then you have the other extreme (the people I spoke about in the first sentence) who have no respect for the dead or his family's grief.  The only person I can think of that deserves such contempt even after death would be Adolph Hitler or someone of that caliber of  infamy. I suppose when OJ Simpson dies, the media will rally around him, even after all of the negative publicity. Media=hypocrites. Negative people posting vulgarities=shame on you.   :-\
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 26, 2009, 05:44:23 PM
Quote from: Anton Phibes on June 26, 2009, 02:49:51 PM
Well, the main reason is because I didn't want to turn the thread into an "opinionated/Ed McMahon" type of controversy, ultimately upset some people, and get it locked.  Also, Vincent Price is someone I hold in high regard, as some still do for Michael Jackson (I am not among them, but will respect the dead, and sympathize with his family in their time of grief.) So, I will simply say "read the book."

Understood and appreciated.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wich2 on June 26, 2009, 05:56:52 PM
Anton, you make some good points.

But what about balanced people, saying honest things - which as with all human beings, will include both good and bad?

To me, Truth can never be an insult; God knows, there's little enough of it in the world.

-Craig
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 26, 2009, 06:10:23 PM
Quote from: Wich2 on June 26, 2009, 05:56:52 PM
Anton, you make some good points.

But what about balanced people, saying honest things - which as with all human beings, will include both good and bad?

To me, Truth can never be an insult; God knows, there's little enough of it in the world.

-Craig

Agreed Craig. There should be a balance. I hate a whitewash of facts in biographies as much as I hate an intentional smearing based upon personal animus. And fortunately, I don't think with the group of people we have here that anything negative stated about anyone would ever grow into the sort of vulgar and abusive screed which so characterizes some corners of the internet.

Anton was also kind enough to write me privately and answer my question, which shows you the sort of person he is. He was just concerned about the integrity of the thread and the website. Thanks Anton!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: CreepyJeff on June 26, 2009, 10:56:31 PM
 I hadn't seen the full "Thriller" video in forever.  Searched for it on youtube and found an excellent quality version of it.  I forgot how well done it was and was delighted to share it with my daughter (her first time seeing it).  Rick Baker on special effects, John Landis direction and what the?  Our beloved Forry Ackerman sitting behind Michael and his girl friend in the movie theater scene.  That was special to see and I had no idea he appeared in this.  Vincent Price was never creepier in his narration.  RIP Michael - you made some great music and will always be remembered as one of the greatest performers ever. 
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 26, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
Quote from: CreepyJeff on June 26, 2009, 10:56:31 PM
I hadn't seen the full "Thriller" video in forever.  Searched for it on youtube and found an excellent quality version of it.  I forgot how well done it was and was delighted to share it with my daughter (her first time seeing it).  Rick Baker on special effects, John Landis direction and what the?  Our beloved Forry Ackerman sitting behind Michael and his girl friend in the movie theater scene.  That was special to see and I had no idea he appeared in this.  Vincent Price was never creepier in his narration.  RIP Michael - you made some great music and will always be remembered as one of the greatest performers ever. 

OK, I JUST WATCHED IT and didn't see Forry. ONE MORE TIME MICHAEL!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Crazy1van on June 27, 2009, 02:39:15 AM
This is a wax figure from the Guiness Book Museum in Gatlingburg TN
(http://faces.cohtitan.com/render/image/large/0/40814.jpg)
Seemed appropriate, given the nature of this board.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: CreepyJeff on June 27, 2009, 11:46:12 AM
Quote from: Scatter on June 26, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
OK, I JUST WATCHED IT and didn't see Forry. ONE MORE TIME MICHAEL!
Hi - here's the link from the version I watched on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyJbIOZjS8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtyJbIOZjS8)
Forry's in the row immediately behind where Michael and his girlfriend were sitting and you see him in his trademark black glasses wearing a leisure suit eating popcorn at the 4:10 mark of the video.   ;)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Creature Features on June 27, 2009, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: mike c on June 25, 2009, 08:04:13 PM
A genius performer, a shy kid, and in the last 15 years, an amateur human being. That's no insult to the man who's passed on... if I'D been raised by Joseph and Katherine, I'd be pretty messed up too.
I had the chance to meet him a few times in the late 80's/early 90's. Shy, wonderfully self-deprecating sense of humor, and something rarely mentioned even by his own publicists and biographers (unless they're discussing Thriller) but very much appreciated by those of us in the UMA: a serious serious MONSTER FAN he was. His collections of monster goodies was incredible. His love of horror movies, especially Universal Monsters and Romero's zombies, was something to behold (it's why he came up with the song and video for Thriller!).
I was (still am) repulsed by what he'd become in the last decade or so; no amount of love of his music will rid me of that. But the memories of a healthier, seemingly saner and decidedly more lovable Michael will last just as long.
Let the canonization begin. In death he will become the same as John Lennon, Marilyn Monroe, ELVIS... and rightfully so.
One thing he always wanted was to be known and remembered throughout the world even after his death.
He certainly achieved that.
As sorry as I am that the trip was so crazy, Michael, I am sorrier, but not terribly surprised, that it was so short. I hope you're at peace, and that whatever your human failings and sins were, you have left them in contrition in the hands of God.

The stars that burn brightest die soonest.


Mike C.




My thoughts to a tee, Mike. Thank you.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: preyer on June 27, 2009, 05:18:34 PM
not just 3, it's 4 if you count david carradine just a few weeks or so back.

i agree with you, wich, i don't like sugarcoating facts. when i saw 'reverend' al sharpton attempt to make MJ out to be some kind of saint or martyr, i was getting kind of angry about that (not to mention how he included himself in every sentence). he was one of the best entertainers in living memory, and even entertaining when he wasn't meaning to be. some praise he deserved, some of it's gratuitous platitudes by people who for some inexplicable reason are given a platform to speak on national t.v., and he was unfairly publicly lambasted at times when he just wanted to be left alone. so, no, i don't consider it an epic tragedy, but i do appreciate all the entertainment he provided and the good things his impact had on the world.

his was the kind of life only one person can live in history. just like there can't be another elvis or marilyn or lennon, there can't be another michael jackson. and that's not a gratuitous platitude, that's just the plain truth.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Jscareshock on June 30, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
I am still not convinced that this isn't some elaborate publicity stunt for his Come Back TOur.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on June 30, 2009, 01:07:28 PM
Quote from: Jscareshock on June 30, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
I am still not convinced that this isn't some elaborate publicity stunt for his Come Back TOur.

I think Elvis helped him do it.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Monster Bob on June 30, 2009, 06:30:18 PM



I'm not so sure MJ will join the ranks Elvis, Marilyn, and James Dean.

The only positive stuff about the guy I've heard has been in the media and on the internet. In talking with people about Jackson (and I talk to a ton of people everyday at work) the jibe has been a resounding 99% negative. Only one positive thing I've heard- one lady said, "He was such a great dancer when I saw him in '80s, before he started liking little boys." Well, if that's positive.  :-\


Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: fmofmpls on July 05, 2009, 08:35:34 PM
Not sure I agree Bob. This video put him in the ranks IMO. Mariyln, Elvis, James Dean, all had personal problems and big time chemical (medical, drugs, booze, etc) addictions too. I prefer to remember the artist for his art alone and not his flaws and shortcomings. To be honest, the above mentioned had made train wrecks out of all of their lives. It seems to go hand in hand with fame and fortune. Not always, but most of the time anyways.


http://media.imeem.com/v/QVhkKzIc9D/aus=false (http://media.imeem.com/v/QVhkKzIc9D/aus=false)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Monster Bob on July 05, 2009, 09:21:40 PM


Jackson was a freak, into self-mutilation and illegal sex with minors. I don't care how much talent he had, I don't care how much money he had, that he liked monster movies or anything else.

The Jackson ass-kissing I've seen non-stop on all the media (TV and internet) is disheartening and sickening, and shows where things are headed in this world.


Jackson's wranglings are a matter of public record, and here to view in these public domain documents-
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackocharge1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/jackocharge1.html)
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/021505mjgrandjury.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/021505mjgrandjury.html)
http://tinyurl.com/nx2gc9 (http://tinyurl.com/nx2gc9)

Secret rooms, bedroom doors with a dozen locks on them...I'm sorry, but if you are not guilty of something you are accused of, you will defend your innocence to the end at any cost- not pay off your accusers, especially something as touchy as sex with a 13 year old boy. I wouldn't give this guy a nickel or a moment of my time. Just picture for a moment it was your kid involved.




Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Monster Bob on July 05, 2009, 09:29:16 PM



And the latest from Land of the Freaky-

Jackson to be Buried without his brain??....


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/07/05/michael-jackson-to-be-buried-without-his-brain-115875-21495043 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/07/05/michael-jackson-to-be-buried-without-his-brain-115875-21495043)



Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on July 05, 2009, 09:32:47 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on July 05, 2009, 09:29:16 PM




Jackson to be Buried without his brain??....




He'll be buried as he lived.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Monster Bob on July 05, 2009, 09:40:55 PM
Quote from: Scatter on July 05, 2009, 09:32:47 PM
He'll be buried as he lived.


Scatter, now that's funny.



Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: fmofmpls on July 05, 2009, 10:53:21 PM
Just for the record. I'm not ass kissing MJ, and I'm not defending him either. I'm only trying to note his talent and his death. That's what this Cemetery forum is for, and that's what this thread is for. Nothing else. To continue to exploit the negativity at this memorial thread is every bit as disparaging to the thread as it is to the nightly news.

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Toy Ranch on July 05, 2009, 10:56:38 PM
Folks, please...  no spitting on graves in the cemetery. 

Everyone knows the good and the bad that's his legacy.  I know many have strong feelings about this kind of thing, but this isn't the place. 

Personally. I don't have much good to say about him either.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Dr.Teufel Geist on July 07, 2009, 11:42:39 PM
Not trying to stir the pot here, but since when does secret rooms and multi-locked bedroom doors make you a pervert?
I'm not saying MJ was a pervert or wasn't a pervert, cause I dont know, and as far as the media goes, they label everybody thats different, a weirdo.
I dont condone MJ actions, as for sleeping with kids in his bed, but tell me this, if he did these things he was accused of, why only
2 or 3 kids came forward, why not all of them, why you ask, cause those who did wanted money, why did he pay them off, to end it
How would you like to be labeled a kiddy perv?, I bet you would pay them off too, just to end it, so you could get on with what life you have now, due to the allegations.
Like Toy said, whether we hate or like, doesn't give us the right to spit on anyones grave.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Monster Bob on July 08, 2009, 06:13:37 AM
Congressman Peter King [NY]: Stop Coverage of Child Molester, Pervert, Pedophile Michael Jackson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RmneMDZlWQ#lq-lq2-hq)



Discussion over.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Toy Ranch on July 08, 2009, 07:22:50 AM
This is a more difficult situation that most in the cemetery.  We do not want to establish a precedent of trashing the dead in this forum.  On the other hand, someone whose star was as bright as Michael Jackson's, and whose issues were as serious and well-known, it's hard to discuss his life without bringing those up too.  But again, we all know them.  We don't need to argue them.  It doesn't have a useful purpose to do so, and turning this into a bash forum is corrosive to this community. 

Michael Jackson was incredibly talented, and deeply troubled.  Now he's dead and buried, and the show is over.  Hopefully he finds some peace in death that frequently eluded him in life.  If there are those out there today who consider themselves victims of Michael Jackson, hopefully they can have some peace with this too.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wich2 on July 08, 2009, 09:40:42 AM
Well said, Bobby. Your last two sentences has been one of my prayers...

As was evidenced very much in the Priest cases of the last few years, such wounds - even when only "second or third degree" rather than "first" - carry deep pain and are slow to heal.

On the part of both Victim and Perpetrator.

-Craig
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: The Drunken Severed Head on July 08, 2009, 11:41:29 PM
Quote from: Toy Ranch on July 05, 2009, 10:56:38 PM
Folks, please...  no spitting on graves in the cemetery.  

Everyone knows the good and the bad that's his legacy.  I know many have strong feelings about this kind of thing, but this isn't the place.  

Personally. I don't have much good to say about him either.

Me either. Yes, criticism of a public figure (outside of politics --no political debates, please) should be posted in a separate thread.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Fester on July 09, 2009, 12:40:23 AM
My two cents worth:

Julius Caesar
Act 2, Scene 3

ANTONY

    Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;
    I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.
    The evil that men do lives after them;
    The good is oft interred with their bones;
    So let it be with Caesar.

This will probably be the way most people will remember Michael Jackson.  The backbiting and gossip will probably outlive anything else.   Hang on, the Tsunami of exposees has not even started yet,  Enquiring minds Want to Know.

You know, Sometimes Willy the Shake was right on.

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wich2 on July 09, 2009, 09:11:02 AM
"You know, Sometimes Willy the Shake was right on."

'Purt near always, Fester.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Creature Features on July 12, 2009, 12:32:39 PM
There's been talk recently that Jackson's accusers admit to lying:

http://community.terra.com/comentarios/index/id/125262/user/muzikenterra/?title=Jordan+Chandler%2C+Michael+Jackson's+alledged+abuse+victim%2C+confesses+he+lied (http://community.terra.com/comentarios/index/id/125262/user/muzikenterra/?title=Jordan+Chandler%2C+Michael+Jackson's+alledged+abuse+victim%2C+confesses+he+lied)

Not sure if this is real or not...Anyone have any more details about this?
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Monster Bob on July 12, 2009, 02:38:48 PM

Well, it must be an 100% accurate report. In the headline of the article it says the kid's name is Jordan Chandler. In the text of the article it says his name is Justin Chandler.   :-\

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Creature Features on July 12, 2009, 03:14:37 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on July 12, 2009, 02:38:48 PM
Well, it must be an 100% accurate report. In the headline of the article it says the kid's name is Jordan Chandler. In the text of the article it says his name is Justin Chandler.   :-\



 Mistakes like that happen in print every day though...
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on July 12, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
My wife showed that to me a couple days after Michael died. It's been a couple of weeks now and so far no major news outlet has picked this up..............which is odd since I now know what side of his nasal cavity was collapsed, where Bubbles the chimp lives today, that he had skin cancer being treated on his chest, that he's half a billion dollars in debt, that he liked Kentucky Fried Chicken, that he was addicted to prescription drugs, etc etc etc.

In the full fury of a 24/7 MJ news cycle (and a very profitable one at that), to think this either hasn't come to the attention of the major media outlets, or that they don't deem it newsworthy to report because they don't think it will sell magazines, is incomprehensible.

To think that the LA District Attorney, who filed charges based upon this kid's testimony which led to a multi-million dollar settlement, and which now could lead to the absolute dissolution of the DA and bankrupting of Los Angeles in a counter suit filed by the Jackson Estate if this kid recants, and would inevitably lead to having the father of the boy arrested and tried for fraud, perjury, extortion, and filing false criminal charges, to think that they just happened to MISS this story over the last 2 weeks stretches credulity beyond the breaking point.

It's a load of excrement.

Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Creature Features on July 12, 2009, 09:29:57 PM
Quote from: Scatter on July 12, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
My wife showed that to me a couple days after Michael died. It's been a couple of weeks now and so far no major news outlet has picked this up..............which is odd since I now know what side of his nasal cavity was collapsed, where Bubbles the chimp lives today, that he had skin cancer being treated on his chest, that he's half a billion dollars in debt, that he liked Kentucky Fried Chicken, that he was addicted to prescription drugs, etc etc etc.

In the full fury of a 24/7 MJ news cycle (and a very profitable one at that), to think this either hasn't come to the attention of the major media outlets, or that they don't deem it newsworthy to report because they don't think it will sell magazines, is incomprehensible.

To think that the LA District Attorney, who filed charges based upon this kid's testimony which led to a multi-million dollar settlement, and which now could lead to the absolute dissolution of the DA and bankrupting of Los Angeles in a counter suit filed by the Jackson Estate if this kid recants, and would inevitably lead to having the father of the boy arrested and tried for fraud, perjury, extortion, and filing false criminal charges, to think that they just happened to MISS this story over the last 2 weeks stretches credulity beyond the breaking point.

It's a load of excrement.



Lol, i saw the Bubbles The Chimp expo as well.   ;D
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Paul L on July 12, 2009, 09:55:05 PM
I've been worried about Bubbles.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on July 12, 2009, 09:56:59 PM
He's been asking about you as well.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wich2 on July 12, 2009, 10:09:57 PM
Folks, in the name of balance -

- there are those who claim this revisionist is promoting an agenda, with less than perfect info.

For your own research:

http://tinyurl.com/nx2gc9 (http://tinyurl.com/nx2gc9)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on July 12, 2009, 10:15:10 PM
Quote from: Wich2 on July 12, 2009, 10:09:57 PM
Folks, in the name of balance -

- there are those who claim this revisionist is promoting an agenda, with less than perfect info.

For your own research:

http://tinyurl.com/nx2gc9 (http://tinyurl.com/nx2gc9)

I may be a bit slow, but how do the links address the veracity of the claim that the boy admitted he fabricated the charges?? Forgive me..............it's late.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wich2 on July 12, 2009, 10:45:07 PM
I thought the overall issue was the main point?

But here's your info on the veracity of this specific news story:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chandler.asp (http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/chandler.asp)
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Monster Bob on July 13, 2009, 08:16:17 AM



Told ya so!  ;D



Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on July 13, 2009, 04:22:11 PM
Me too!! Although I now hear that Bubbles was petted inappropriately.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: CreepysFan on July 13, 2009, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: Toy Ranch on July 05, 2009, 10:56:38 PM
Folks, please...  no spitting on graves in the cemetery.  
         
Very well said, Bobby.  This is suppost to be a place to honor the recent dead. The only bashing I like is at the Monster Bash.  Or toward's Scatter.  ;D
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Scatter on July 13, 2009, 04:53:56 PM
Quote from: CreepysFan on July 13, 2009, 04:46:43 PM
         
Very well said, Bobby.  This is suppost to be a place to honor the recent dead. The only bashing I like is at the Monster Bash.  Or toward's Scatter.  ;D

Someday you won't have Scatter to kick around anymore. Karen will protect me.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: Wicked Lester on July 13, 2009, 05:23:01 PM
The guy obviously had some talent and crazy quirks. He's been dead for like 3 weeks already. Get over it and move on.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: ChattyLMS on July 13, 2009, 05:43:20 PM
Well Wicked,
I don't intend any disrespect for the dead, but I think it's time for the media to let it go.  The kids need time to decompress.  It's going to be tough enough for them with the legal issues without having batted back and forth in the news.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: The Drunken Severed Head on July 13, 2009, 05:46:56 PM
Michael's life was understandably controversial. That cannot be denied. People have a right to their opinions.

But it looks like we're getting close to flaming each other. A word of friendly warning: That must not happen, or the thread will be locked. I may start editing people's posts, too, if anyone here flames another member.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: ChattyLMS on July 13, 2009, 09:17:01 PM
I'm sorry, Drunken.
I didn't mean to throw wood on the fire.  My apologies to all.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: The Drunken Severed Head on July 13, 2009, 11:55:28 PM
Oh, I wasn't fussing at any one person, Chatty. Just wanted to have no spats breaking out between anyone here; seemed to me I just needed to caution folks.



Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: ChattyLMS on July 14, 2009, 05:33:26 PM
Thank you, DSH,
Yes it surely can be a touchy topic.
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: hhwolfman on September 14, 2009, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on June 25, 2009, 09:24:04 PM

Another Famous Monsters Convention 1995 story.

The one night (Saturday?), there was a big celebrity dinner and costume contest at the Universal Sheraton, on the Universal lot. Al Lewis was the MC for the contest, and because it was Hollywood, there were some of the best monster costumes I had ever seen. There were celebrities galore wandering the room (Adam West, Vampira, FJA, Angus Scrim, Ray Bradbury, Ray Harryhausen, and dozens more notables that just 'showed up', and not part of the convention formal). 

Sometime during the costume festivities, from a side door, came in the most fabulous Nosferatu costume i had ever seen. He was very tall (like 7 feet), a fantastic likeness, and built like a Disney Park costume, quality-wise. Superior, bar none. There was a screen in the neck so the wearer could function. Of course, a 4 year old little girl, dressed as the Bride of Frankenstein (I think) won the contest, the 15 or so contestants standing on a riser/stage with Al.  Afterwards, they all came down and mingled with the crowd. I went over and checked out the Nosferatu close up, and I was amazed. A 5-10 thousand dollar costume I was thinking, and I think he came in 3rd or 4th! I did go up to him and congratulate him on the great costume, and I got a little knod, but no speech. He then disapeared for the night, literally sneeking out the same way he appeared.

There was an article in the LA Times the next day, all about the convention (which received a lot of press), and even brought up the celebrity-studded costume contest and even Nosferatu. As it turned out, the guy in the Nosferatu costume was a celebrity, too- it was Michael Jackson! 




Some how I missed this post. I am just now reading it. I to was at this con. My buddy was in the hot tub, with someone that said he was Jacksons Manager. He told me this the Night before the Costume contest. The night of the contest, I was a foot away from Him in the cool Nosferatu costume. He had never met Al Lewis and wanted to get close enough  to meet him and get his autograph. The funniest thing about this was that Linnea Quigley, Sang Thriller right before the contest.  Now she is a very pretty Lady, but man she butchered that song. (Forry did the Vincent price voice over and nailed it though).  I think it was funny that Jackson Had to  stand there and  listen  to it.  ;D
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: The Drunken Severed Head on September 18, 2009, 10:50:29 AM
"(Forry did the Vincent price voice over and nailed it though). "

THAT I would love to hear!
Title: Re: MICHAEL JACKSON
Post by: CreepysFan on September 19, 2009, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: The Drunken Severed Head on September 18, 2009, 10:50:29 AM
"(Forry did the Vincent price voice over and nailed it though). "

THAT I would love to hear!
     
  Same here.