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Title: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: roddmatsui on December 29, 2007, 03:06:53 AM
This is a film that is known as a "bad" film, but I have seen it many times and I always enjoy it.  Not only is it entertaining in a crazy early 70's way, but it features several interesting performers, including Lon Chaney Jr. and J. Carroll Naish, and original Universal mad lab equipment created by Ken Strickfaden.   It's got a biker gang led by Russ Tamblyn!  And a Forry Ackerman cameo to boot.  The Dracula in this movie (portrayed by Zandor Vorkov) was featured on the cover of Famous Monsters #89, a sought-after issue.  For fans of the Collegeville/Imagineering Halloween makeup products, Vorkov appears to be wearing their famous glow-in-the-dark vampire fangs in the Famous Monsters cover photo!
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: MegoGeek on December 29, 2007, 11:05:50 AM
I haven't seen this movie in eons.

I do remember it really creeping me out when I was young, not in a scary way but in a weird way. I was watching all the old B&W films back then so this modern color film gave me a weird vibe.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: roddmatsui on December 29, 2007, 11:39:00 AM
For movie fans who enjoy the rough-around-the-edges style of late-60's and early 70's horror budgeters, this one is really very watchable.  Can generally be bought for a dollar or two from Amazon or Half.com...I asked a couple of people I know to be patient and sit and watch it, despite their concerns about the obvious badness, and now they own copies of it.

Dracula and Dr. Frankenstein team up to revive the Monster...there is some business about the "Zorna comet" giving off some cosmic rays that facilitate the Monster's revival...during the mad lab scene, Dracula looks out the window and sees a flashing light bulb traveling across the sky.  "ZORNA COMET HAS RETURNED!" he shouts. 

It's almost like a Spook Show on film, if that makes any sense.  Ultra cheesy, blood and gore, questionable monster make-up.

Dracula magically appears in the car of Dr. Beaumont (Forry Ackerman). 

"Who are you?" Beaumont gasps.

"I am known as the Count of Darkness--Lord of the Manor of Cor-Pathia.  Turn here," Dracula says.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: Tom Smith Monsternut on December 29, 2007, 12:28:25 PM
It is pretty bad but fun never the less. ::)

Best..
Tom
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: raycastile on December 29, 2007, 02:40:00 PM
I selected Dracula vs Frankenstein as my Halloween night viewing this year.  I love that goofy movie.  It has a real trick-or-treat sensibility.  I saw it on TV as a child and was freaked out by it.  It seemed soooo scary back then.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: The Phantom Creep on December 29, 2007, 05:39:18 PM
This movie is great "bad" fun I agree. i was lucky enough to see a great print in the theater years ago at a multiplex in a mall!! Now THAT was weird.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: Mego73 on December 31, 2007, 06:46:11 PM
It's of the color monster movies I remember seeing on TV in the 70's (another is Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things). I think it's a hoot and Roger Engel (Zandor Vorkov's real name) actually did a good job with Dracula for being an amatuer actor to begin with. Actually have seen a couple of Al Adamson "classics" lately "Brain Of Blood" and "Horroe Of The Blood Monsters" through netflix.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: 1975 on December 31, 2007, 06:56:04 PM
I crank out my VHS of this every year, in the "Drive In Madness" tape Sam Sherman explains how this started out as a horror film called "The Blood Seekers" and mid way through filming they decided to add the classic monster element.

I love how Vorkov's makeup changes at the end becoming pancake white, I've heard this is because of reshoots.

A good friend of mine and I  used to love to do imitations of the Forry scene while on long car rides.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: raycastile on December 31, 2007, 09:46:11 PM
The release of the Mad Doctor of Blood Island soundtrack CD gives me hope that someday we will have a Dracula vs Frankenstein album.  I love that music, both the original score and the library cues.  Is anyone here friends with Sam Sherman?
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: hhwolfman on December 31, 2007, 11:02:53 PM
This Movie only showed at the Texas Theater in San Antonio. This was a very bad theater and bad part of Down Town. I remember seeing the previews, Then the Dreaded Texas theater emblem after. When you saw that, you knew,  Dad would not bring you nor anyone. It was only showing there, no where else.  >:( Finally got a copy 20 years later. I love it. Maybe it is just he nostalgic Factor. HHW
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: roddmatsui on January 01, 2008, 09:16:49 PM
Quote from: raycastile on December 29, 2007, 02:40:00 PMI love that goofy movie.  It has a real trick-or-treat sensibility.  I saw it on TV as a child and was freaked out by it.

"Trick or treat sensibility"...that's a very good way of putting it.  It's gruesome--or it's trying to be--but everything is so fake that I can't take it seriously.  When I was seven...well, things were different!
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: Grape on January 03, 2008, 12:30:55 AM
I saw this on latenight TV when I was probably about 14 and I remember being absolutely appalled by it. I guess with Dracula and Frankenstein in the title and Chaney in the cast I was expecting some sort of attempt to emulate the Universal classics. I do believe it was the worst film I'd ever seen at that time! And I remember that Chaney looks like Hell in it. Of course in the years since then I've lowered my standards considerably. I think I'll probably enjoy this if I ever get around to seeing it again.

Speaking of "Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things", is that the one where the two little kids turn their father into a zombie?



Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: The Drunken Severed Head on January 03, 2008, 05:52:44 AM
When I was your age, Grape, I saw in its release with FRANKENSTEIN'S BLOODY TERROR,  a Naschy werewolf movie with no Frankenstein! A double helping of disappointment!

I remember being glad that old stars were on the screen and getting work, but it was low-caliber work.

Worst. Dracula. Ever.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: Mego73 on January 06, 2008, 09:49:09 PM
Quote from: Grape on January 03, 2008, 12:30:55 AM
I saw this on latenight TV when I was probably about 14 and I remember being absolutely appalled by it. I guess with Dracula and Frankenstein in the title and Chaney in the cast I was expecting some sort of attempt to emulate the Universal classics. I do believe it was the worst film I'd ever seen at that time! And I remember that Chaney looks like Hell in it. Of course in the years since then I've lowered my standards considerably. I think I'll probably enjoy this if I ever get around to seeing it again.

Speaking of "Children Shouldn't Play with Dead Things", is that the one where the two little kids turn their father into a zombie?





Nope! This is it:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068370/

In particular I liked the stylized look of the Zombies in this movie. I'm probably reading too much into it because I liked the way the zombies looked "Halloweeny" and not realistic. It could be more of a budget choice than an artistic one.

Also this has good campy acting, especially by Alan Ormsby
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: neonnoodle on January 06, 2008, 10:23:54 PM
Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things has long been a big favorite of mine.  I mentioned it in this interview here...

http://www.cinefear.com/rodd.html (http://www.cinefear.com/rodd.html)

And this year, I got to see it projected, in a real movie house in Hollywood...a faded, scratchy old print, but the audience members were all fans of the film.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: poseablemonster on January 17, 2008, 06:55:20 PM
Does anyone know for sure if there's a reason for Chaney not having any speaking parts in Dracula vs. Frankenstein, other than it just being written that way?  It was disappointing not hearing any dialog from him. 
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: Mego73 on January 19, 2008, 03:12:03 PM
He had throat cancer and could not talk well so that's why they made him mute.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: poseablemonster on January 20, 2008, 12:26:56 PM
OK, thanks.  I figured that there was a reason.  I really felt sad for him watching that film.  You get the impression he's not long for this world, and he wasn't.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: 1975 on January 21, 2008, 10:20:24 AM
Quote from: poseablemonster on January 20, 2008, 12:26:56 PM
OK, thanks.  I figured that there was a reason.  I really felt sad for him watching that film.  You get the impression he's not long for this world, and he wasn't.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious he's not well. It seems like almost all the greats have these moments. Karloff looks pretty feeble in those Mexican films he made right before the end and well, Bela's last moments are all too famous.
Title: Re: Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1971)
Post by: ProfGriffin on February 07, 2008, 10:28:33 AM
Yeah, Trick or Treat, spookshow mentality, that makes it infinately watchable.

It's like a 1970's neighborhood spook house, with colored lights, and costumes from TG&Y.
And Dracula talking in an echo chamber!!! LOL

Oh man, I need to watch this movie again.  Soon.