Universal Monster Army

I'm a huge fan of The Munsters and find the show very funny.  That being said, I think Rob Zombie will pay respects to the original show with a modern twist.  I don't think it will be ultra-violent like his other movies, however, I don't think it will be to family friendly like the original series.  Probably somewhere in between.  But with his well known love for the series, I think he's a perfect choice for it.  I'm not to fond of remakes, but I'm kind of interested to see how this goes. If Zombie makes a gory Munsters movie...so what?  Maybe it will intrigue a whole new generation to watch the originals.  Maybe it will draw a new crowd to the classic movies and shows.  I'm not a fan of remakes or recreations, and think we'd be better off without them.  But another part of me says "so what?", hopefully it will interest a new crowd toward classics.  Guess I'm trying to remain a little positive.

https://wcsx.com/2021/03/11/rob-zombie-munsters-movie-reboot/ (https://wcsx.com/2021/03/11/rob-zombie-munsters-movie-reboot/)

If this happens I highly doubt Universal will let RZ run wild with The Munsters; they'll keep him on a tight leash. I'm really not interested in Sheri Moon as Lily.

I'll try to keep an open mind, but I haven't liked his films so far.

Being a Rob Zombie fan, definitely looking forward to this Munsters' series.  Unlike that Munsters( Mockingbird Ln) pilot from 2012.

I'm sure it will be better than Tim Burton's Dark Shadows.  Somehow, taking a comedy and turning it into a serious picture or even a dark comedy seems much better than taking a serious subject and turning it into a comedy. 

You can't do "The Munsters" without Fred Gwynne and Al Lewis. Just doesn't work!

Quote from: Mike Scott on March 15, 2021, 12:36:33 AM
You can't do "The Munsters" without Fred Gwynne and Al Lewis. Just doesn't work!

I enjoy the Fox made for TV movies, both Edward Herrmann and Sam McMurray did Herman justice.  Likewise Robert Morse and Sandy Baron were good as Grandpa. Now if we're talking Sam Schuck and The Munsters Today....the less said the better.

Not a fan of Zombie.
If he touches The Munsters he'll ruin it.
I'm not into trailer trash horror at all.

According to Butch Patrick, who played Eddie, the Rob Zombie Munster film is just a rumor.

Quote from: Haunted hearse on March 24, 2021, 09:57:19 PM
....., the Rob Zombie Munster film is just a rumor.

That's pretty much what has been stated in anything I read about it. Seems unlikely that Universal could have kept this a secret or that they'd even want to; the first reports of it are a month or so before filming is set to begin....always seemed fishy. RZ is extremely active on Facebook/Instagram/Twitter though and you'd think if it weren't true he would have already addressed it and put the rumors to bed.

New reports indicate that RZ taking on The Munsters isn't a rumor but a done deal; the only unknown is whether it will be a Peacock exclusive or premiere in theaters.

Looks like we may have another "Mockingbird Lane". The makers of Pushing Roses" really liked the Munsters, but decided to make some changes which the thought were "improvements". That is my fear with Zombie's take. I like some of Rob Zombie films, but didn't care for his take of "Halloween". I really liked Zombie's Tide commercial. I honestly can't think of anything done by Rob Zombie, that is anything like the Munsters. Since someone brought up Tim Burton, his idea to make a Wednesday Addams series, shows that he really has no idea why the Addams Family has long been popular. That Zombie thinks his wife is perfect for Lily, is a big red flag for me, that I probably won't like his take on the Munsters, either.

Quote from: Haunted hearse on April 23, 2021, 10:56:33 PM
Looks like we may have another "Mockingbird Lane". The makers of Pushing Roses" really liked the Munsters, but decided to make some changes which the thought were "improvements". That is my fear with Zombie's take. I like some of Rob Zombie films, but didn't care for his take of "Halloween". I really liked Zombie's Tide commercial. I honestly can't think of anything done by Rob Zombie, that is anything like the Munsters. Since someone brought up Tim Burton, his idea to make a Wednesday Addams series, shows that he really has no idea why the Addams Family has long been popular. That Zombie thinks his wife is perfect for Lily, is a big red flag for me, that I probably won't like his take on the Munsters, either.

Sherri Moon Zombie's acting is truly awful. Her as Lilly Munster....ugh!

Quote from: Haunted hearse on April 23, 2021, 10:56:33 PM
Looks like we may have another "Mockingbird Lane".

Since 1313 Mockingbird Lane didn't wow anyone when it was released I'm not sure Universal would be looking to go that route but with RZ's name attached....maybe they would be.

I honestly don't see how any fan of The Munsters would want to ditch the classic makeup.  That's what makes the Munsters the Munsters... and not just some other monster family. 

Train wreck

I find no logic on this, cant see Rob Zombie in the comedy genre. Actually cant see him doing anything more than his House of the 100 Corpses, all of his movies have the same plot and atmosphere

Quote from: Akira-Devilman on May 28, 2021, 02:28:00 AM
I find no logic on this, cant see Rob Zombie in the comedy genre. Actually cant see him doing anything more than his House of the 100 Corpses, all of his movies have the same plot and atmosphere

I have to agree. The more it comes up, the less interested I am. RZ's not my cup of tea.

Quote from: Akira-Devilman on May 28, 2021, 02:28:00 AM
.....of his movies have the same plot and atmosphere

House of 1,000 Corpses, RZ's Halloween/Halloween 2, 3 from Hell and 31 all have pretty much the same atmosphere but Devil's Rejects and Lords of Salem are quite different. Plot wise I guess since all slasher films are relatively the same plot then you could say they are all similar and of course five of them are part of franchises (3 Firefly films and two Halloweens) so they are obviously going to have commonalities in their respective storylines. I was really looking forward to RZ's Broad Street Bullies film to see him do something different but the film fell through; I'm not a fan of his Halloweens, 31 or 3 From Hell but have enjoyed the rest of his efforts.

Rob Zombie has finally confirmed his involvement in the project.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2021/06/the-munsters-movie-rob-zombie-universal-1234770945/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadline.com/2021/06/the-munsters-movie-rob-zombie-universal-1234770945/amp/)

Noooooo!!!

JP

Rob Zombie's Herman, Lily and Grandpa

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That guy playing Grandpa taking part in the project tells me there was at least a decent script to start with. Hopefully he comes on over to this thread and gives us some behind the scenes info.

I honestly feel a bit better about this now.

Quote from: John Pertwee on October 18, 2021, 08:10:09 AM
That guy playing Grandpa taking part in the project tells me there was at least a decent script to start with. Hopefully he comes on over to this thread and gives us some behind the scenes info.

I honestly feel a bit better about this now.

Grandpa is one of us.  :)

BK

Does Dan have a mustache?

Quote from: aura of foreboding on October 18, 2021, 09:55:01 AM
Does Dan have a mustache?

Yes, mustache and sideburns; I'm really digging Daniel's Grandpa's old world vibe. Jeff Daniel Phillip's Herman is hard to get a feel for with that face he's making; looks like your average guy you'd see in Frankenstein monster make-up on some packaging in the Halloween aisle. Sheri's Lily seems serviceable but she just doesn't have that exotic vibe like Yvonne De Carlo has, although Lily is depicted more "Morticia" than "Lily Munster" in tv/movies following De Carlo's last appearance; see The Munsters Today, Here Comes the Munsters, The Munster's Scary Littke Christmas

I do not like Rob Zombie films.  I hope he doesn't ruin the Munsters

Quote from: LaettnersLegacy on October 25, 2021, 03:36:21 PM
I do not like Rob Zombie films.  I hope he doesn't ruin the Munsters

He can't ruin them any more than The Munsters Today did; we'll always have the originals.

Quote from: zombiehorror on October 18, 2021, 06:55:56 AM
Rob Zombie's Herman, Lily and Grandpa

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They all look good except Herman.  What's with the scowl?  I take it this won't be a comedy, rather something darker?


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Quote from: BigShadow on October 25, 2021, 09:43:52 PM
They all look good except Herman.  What's with the scowl?  I take it this won't be a comedy, rather something darker?

I think it's an attempt to do this classic Herman look

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That's the expression that people will have when they see this remake!

Hello all,

Sharing this here. I know I've been away for a while but staying very busy, as you can imagine.

https://rue-morgue.com/the-count-speaks-daniel-roebuck-on-rob-zombies-the-munsters-and-more/ (https://rue-morgue.com/the-count-speaks-daniel-roebuck-on-rob-zombies-the-munsters-and-more/)

Perhaps a little perspective would help.

I didn't know you were playing "Grandpa" in the new "Munsters" movie?! How cool! Must be a dream come true?  :)

Thanks for sharing that, Danny! Congrats on the gig; I'll check it out for sure upon release.

Quote from: gracebuster on November 12, 2021, 09:19:37 PM
Hello all,

Sharing this here. I know I've been away for a while but staying very busy, as you can imagine.

https://rue-morgue.com/the-count-speaks-daniel-roebuck-on-rob-zombies-the-munsters-and-more/ (https://rue-morgue.com/the-count-speaks-daniel-roebuck-on-rob-zombies-the-munsters-and-more/)

Perhaps a little perspective would help.

I can't wait to see how it turns out.  Congratulations.

Thank you for sharing, Mr. Roebuck. Cannot wait to see the new Munsters' film.

Quote from: gracebuster on November 12, 2021, 09:19:37 PM
Perhaps a little perspective would help.

Read the interview earlier this week. I'm looking forward to your interpretation of Grandpa and seeing RZ's vision of the Munsters.

I had reservations when I first heard about the Rob Zombie "Munsters". However, the more I learn, the better I like what I'm seeing. I know "Mockingbird Lane", has it's fans, but I'm glad Herman will be back to looking like the iconic Frankenstein Monster. The Facade of their home and the bland surrounding neighborhood look fantastic. Unlike the Tim Burton "Wednesday" series, this will focus on the entire family, and not focus on Kat from "Casper", going to knockoff Hogswart. I look forward to seeing this, when it comes out.

Thank You. Monster kid to monster kid, it will be so much fun. Rob's appreciation and love for the series is boundless, as is my own.

Quote from: gracebuster on January 11, 2022, 10:26:36 AM
Thank You. Monster kid to monster kid, it will be so much fun. Rob's appreciation and love for the series is boundless, as is my own.

🤘🏻

Herman's fur is giving off Son of Frankenstein/Jack Davis art vibes. The views of the house interiors that have been shown feel more Addams Family than Munsters to me.


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Quote from: zombiehorror on April 05, 2022, 01:56:10 PM
Herman's fur is giving off Son of Frankenstein/Jack Davis art vibes. The views of the house interiors that have been shown feel more Addams Family than Munsters to me.

Well, a lot of people get the two confused, but the 1964 Munster house interior had a lot going for it, where as the Addams Family interior in the original New Yorker cartoons, and in the 1990s Sonnenfeld films had a less cluttered look. The Exterior, on the other hand is the best looking recreation I've seen, and even better, it will be surrounded by cookie cutter tract homes, so it will really stand out.

Quote from: Haunted hearse on April 11, 2022, 11:51:29 PM
Well, a lot of people get the two confused,....

I assume you are referring to normal people and not monster kids.

Quote from: zombiehorror on April 12, 2022, 07:53:39 PM
I assume you are referring to normal people and not monster kids.

Absolutely. There's a different aesthetic to the Addams Family, then the Munsters.  The clutter is similar to the clutter found in the Addams family TV series, which was nothing like the sparse interior of the new Yorker cartoons, which had little in the way of furnishings or other decor. The Munster set, also had a fair amount of clutter, so the Zombie interior set isn't that far off. I think the Munster set looks pretty good, except that they are something like Disney's Haunted Mansion, in that the interior doesn't match the exterior. That has never stopped the haunted mansion from being my favorite attraction at the Disney parks. It was also clear, that regarding the interior sets for the old TV series, there was no effort to have the interior sets match up with the facade on the back lot. But the exterior is gorgeous, and I like the look of the interior set, although I would have liked it to be a closer match to the interior found in the 1960s series. I think what really impressed me with the Munster House in Texas, was how they were able to do a good job replicating not just the interior, but recreating the interior to fit inside the recreated exterior.

My fellow monster kids, the last thing I ever want to be is a THREAD KILLER. I truly think its great that we can discuss all of the great monster topics on here. Also, I think divergent points of view are fun to explore. I am offering this video here as a bit of an explanation and an answering of a few questions. It's also on my own FB and The Haunted Mansion Fan page.

https://vimeo.com/699673778 (https://vimeo.com/699673778)

I hope it enlightens and entertains.

Quote from: gracebuster on April 21, 2022, 11:54:19 PM
I hope it enlightens and entertains.

I was enlightened and entertained by your video, but I still have one question about The Munsters movie. Will there be Eddie and Marilyn characters in it?

I'm not a fan of Zombie's work at all-- but I like Dan very much so I'm in to give this a shot.  Maybe this is finally the right project for Rob.

Thank you, Dan for your video. I am a fan of Rob Zombie, his music and a large portion of his films.
The Munsters in any iteration is always interesting to see.

Thank you my friends.I always appreciate the support. I am sorry that I cannot answer directly about the movie but I think all monster and Munster fans will enjoy it. I really do. Hopefully there will be a trailer soon.

Thank you for giving us a bit of a look at what is coming. We understand that you can't say much about the movie, but what you did say is pretty awesome. 
I am going into the theater with an open mind.

I'm looking forward to seeing the Zombie Munster film. I'm hoping that it is shown in the theater, since I don't have any streaming services.

Some of Robs films I find a bit nihilistic & bleak, & I'm trying to imagine his slant on comedy or slapstic, but it looks pretty cool from what I see & just read. Perhaps it will be a Munsters with a bit more 'Tooth' so to speak but keep faithful.

The lads over in Eastern Europe did, as usual, an excellent job on the house facade though, looks brilliant :)
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I wonder if they will use the Koach replica in the fim?  8)
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or the Dragula?  8)
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So which guy is Eddie Munster in the second picture?
....just kidding
I hope this will not turn out the way Sea Hunt and Dark Shadows did when they were " modernized"
RF

I just heard about this.  Dan is a great choice to play Grandpa.  I hope this does well. I want action figure/playset, cereal.  I see Sylvester McCoy is in this as well.  Nice.

There's a new image available on line today.  I viewed it on bloody disgusting.  It show Lilly visiting a kid's lemonade stand in front of the Munster house.

An official minute long teaser trailer had been posted online.  "Well now what?"

https://youtu.be/fAI1_0xnmL0

Grampa speaks! Dan Roebuck says his first few words as Grampa Munster in the new teaser trailer.

Looks fun! I'm in!

If you get the music, sets, costumes, characters and make up correct,  it's a positive achievement.
This isn't your father's Munsters.  Oh wait it is and that's how it should be.

Quote from: judd on June 08, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
...make up correct,....

My only complaint so far with that is that horrible black around Herman's eyes; no idea why anyone chose to go with such an unnatural look over a more subtle natural shading.

Quote from: zombiehorror on June 08, 2022, 10:02:13 PM
My only complaint so far with that is that horrible black around Herman's eyes; no idea why anyone chose to go with such an unnatural look over a more subtle natural shading.

When I think of natural, Herman Munster doesn't come to mind.

Quote from: Haunted hearse on June 09, 2022, 07:02:04 AM
When I think of natural, Herman Munster doesn't come to mind.

When I think of Herman Munster I don't think of him putting black eye shadow around his eyes and that's what Herman looks like he did in that teaser. Maybe there's a part in the film where he gets into goth rock? Or maybe it's a Norwegian metal based look.

I definitely have to agree about Herman's eye makeup.  It has bothered me since I first saw the initial photo, and it only got worse with each new picture.  But then I saw the black and white part of the trailer, and I said, "Wow, this doesn't look that bad."  But then they went to color, and I was like...  "Ugh."  But you know what?  I think it actually helps the actor replicate Gwynne's expressions better.  Gwynne's face was so unique, and his eyes were such a huge part of the character, and, at the very end of the trailer, you can see him almost nailing one of those classic Gwynne looks, something that would probably be hard without the makeup accentuating the eyes.  With everything else so meticulously detailed, it would be weird to think that they just chose to not do Herman's makeup right.  There had to be a reason, and I think this might be it.  Another thought is, recently Zombie said they were going for a more live cartoon look, and that exaggerated makeup just fits that better.  Either way, the parts of the trailer where there were actual clips were very well done, and I am looking forward to seeing The Munsters again. 

Looks like an origin story to me: suitcases abound, Herman in his SOF outfit, no Eddie or Marilyn in sight...   

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Trailer dropping Wednesday!

I saw the new trailer today. and I like what I'm seeing.

The new trailer looks like it will be a fun film.  Some of the hardcore fans make take exception.  There are differences but I think the spirit of the original series remains.  I guess the main difference is it is more colorful and over the top compared to the original.

The new trailer have this strong Willy Wonka filter on it...everything is neon and shiny, even in night time everything looks like a disco and i am not sure if i like that....the B&W part of the trailers looks soo good and on point but with the strong saturated colors it reminds me a 90s Power Rangers episode (and the tacky special effects doesn't help)

The Count is perfect...i didn't expect that, but the voices of Herman and Lily are soo jarring...Sheri Moon Zombie overacts too much here. I will watch it but i feel this movie really will blur the lines between love and hate

Some movies aren't released. They escape!

Easily the worst trailer for a major studio film in decades if not ever.

I genuinely feel bad for Dan. I know he tried.

Whatever they were going for they missed, by a mile. I know some people here may just have their "It's the Munsters I like it" blinders on and maybe some people were just happy that Herman isn't raping women and skinning them alive or whatever usual Zombie tropes there are, but no one can look at this and think it was good.

As a trailer it's amateurish, poorly shot, REALLY bad audio, incoherent and the acting looks like all the original actors died and have stunt doubles doing the lines.

The reviews for this trailer have not been good. I have never seen a trailer so universally panned. And not for the usual reasons. I've never seen so many people wonder why the cinematography looks so bad, or the audio is so bad or the acting so bad or seen so many people compare it to student films or porn parody.

Outside of the costumes, this looks about as bad as it can get.

Hopefully the movie is better than the trailer, but at this point, the trailer is so panned that it doesn't really matter. There's almost no chance this movie will recover from the bad press the trailer has got.

And as you know, more often than not, trailers are better than the movie. They're specifically cut to highlight the best of films.

I would not be shocked if this is the lowest grossing film of the year from a major studio, but given the very negative reaction from pretty much well, everyone, to this trailer, I almost wouldn't be shocked if this ends up dumped on Peacock and skips theaters altogether.

Just a different perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMaWV5HwgLs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMaWV5HwgLs)

The color palette is directly from Munsters Go Home, failed to mention that in the video.

Thanks Dan! I stand by my original thoughts, but I appreciate your enthusiasm. It's certainly infectious. I hope the film turns out better than the trailer because I love the Munsters and it sure seems like a lot of love was put into it.

Quote from: ODBJBG on July 14, 2022, 09:43:23 AM

Outside of the costumes, this looks about as bad as it can get.

Hey! He found something he liked about it!  ;D

Quote from: Mike Scott on July 14, 2022, 01:27:25 PM
Hey! He found something he liked about it!  ;D

Yeah the costumes weren't the problem with the trailer. I don't think anyone has said that TBH.

So, I did a thing...  I turned the color off on my computer, and I watched the trailer...  and I have to say it plays a million times better in black and white.  Like, all of the Transylvania scenes look GREAT.  The Mockingbird Lane scene didn't change much, but the rest of the trailer looked so much better.  Like, the lighting was obviously designed for a black and white film.  Like it's really, really hard to do lighting properly for a black and white film, but they did it in most of these scenes.  Personally, if I were Rob Zombie, I would have pushed out this trailer to get a lot of negative reactions from people to show Universal...  "Look, we have to change this to black and white."  And basically force their hand to release it in black and white.  Now, I don't know if that was the intention or not.  I don't know if there is a planned black and white alternate release, which explains the lighting and depth issues.  I don't know.  I do know that the main complaints about this trailer are aesthetic, and black and white would fix those complaints. 

My thoughts:  I thought Dan as The Count was PERFECT, like he is PERFECT for the role, and I enjoyed every single scene with him.  There were two parts in the trailer where I really felt Lewis and Gwynne were truly channeled, and I had to do a double take.  First, Grandpa's line, "I can whip you up a hubby down in the lab."  So spot on.  I, for sure, thought that was Al Lewis.  Next when Herman is standing in the doorway talking to Lily. 

We now get to see where the character cameos are being used, which is cool.  Obviously the Tin Can Man is the Justice of the Peace and Uncle Gilbert is at the movies.  I imagine most of these cameos will take place in short sequences like these.  I don't know what the script looks like, but -- to me -- most of these scenes in the trailer read like they are out of a montage sequence of Herman and Lily dating, like I can't imagine most of these as actual full scenes in the film.  And if they are, they ought to be cut into a single montage.  We get the point, they're in love.  Grandpa is trying to stop it, and that should be where the meat of the story is and what most scenes for this part of the script focus on.

One final note, it was only when I watched the trailer in black and white that I saw Grandpa's skeleton when he was zapped by lightning.  Even when I rewatched in color, it wasn't very visible.  Not sure if that means anything, but the film is clearly designed to be viewed in black and white regardless of what the official line has been about "color" and "live action cartoon".  Universal, be smart.  Release this in black and white.  Hopefully the scenes that aren't lit for black and white can be fixed to match the excellent black and white lighting in the rest of the film.   

Quote from: ODBJBG on July 14, 2022, 09:43:23 AM
I would not be shocked if this is the lowest grossing film of the year from a major studio, but given the very negative reaction from pretty much well, everyone, to this trailer, I almost wouldn't be shocked if this ends up dumped on Peacock and skips theaters altogether.

Everything I've read from the moment of this film's announcement wads that it would be a Peacock release, it was never intended as a theatrical release although now I've been reading limited showings in select theaters.

I hope it is released to theaters. I don't use any streaming services. I would be willing to buy it, should it come out on DVD of Blu-Ray.

Quote from: ODBJBG on July 14, 2022, 09:43:23 AM
Some movies aren't released. They escape!

Easily the worst trailer for a major studio film in decades if not ever.

I genuinely feel bad for Dan. I know he tried.

Whatever they were going for they missed, by a mile. I know some people here may just have their "It's the Munsters I like it" blinders on and maybe some people were just happy that Herman isn't raping women and skinning them alive or whatever usual Zombie tropes there are, but no one can look at this and think it was good.

It's not a bad take on the Munsters, if I say so myself. It also has nothing to do with having"It's the Munsters I like it" blinders on, when it comes to me. This isn't the worst take I've seen on the Munsters. You had "Mini-Munsters" for that. I also wasn't a big fan of "Revenge of the Munsters"(1980) Fred and Al were good in it, but the writers forgot that the Munsters were not the "Fred Gwynee and Al Lewis" comedy show. In that show, not only was it a lame plot about look alike monsters robbing banks for an Egyptian Pharaoh. Lilly and Eddie didn't have much to do in this failed pilot. At least in "Munsters Today", Eddie was given characted development and growth. So what will this film be about? It's about Lilly and Herman meeting and falling in love, and it looks like their moving to Mockingbird Heights. So it will be a story about the Munsters, and not a movie about a situation they get involved with it. They also are clearly the Munsters. With "Mockingbird Lane", they decided to ditch the famous Frankenstein Monster look created by jack Pierce, and Eddie Izzard played Grandpa as psychotic force of evil. It was well made, and well written, but it just wasn't the Munsters to me. At least Rob Zombie seems to have a a love of the original series. When it came to Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows" or Paul Fieg's "Ghostbusters" (2016), it was clear that those two films were made by people who had no love of the original properties they were based on.
   So, will Rob Zombie's film be popular or not? If it is, it will introduce new people like to the Munsters. If it isn't, well it will join other versions of the Munsters like Mockingbird Lane. Perhaps in another couple of decades, someone else will give us a new look at the Munsters. This is Rob Zombie's chance, and well see how well he does.

Here's one guy saying what I said about the black and white...  It's just such an easy fix.

https://youtu.be/x8wLmLPxZV0 (https://youtu.be/x8wLmLPxZV0)

And here's a version of the trailer in b/w and also fixes some of the jokes that didn't quite work...

https://youtu.be/eTyLDaXCXrY (https://youtu.be/eTyLDaXCXrY)

Maybe they could do a b/w version as an extra on the Blu-ray?

Watching it again I see serious detail in the sets, make up and costumes.  To my eyes it doesn't appear to be a cheap looking production.  The lighting is textured and not flat like typical kids shows/movies.  The colors pop.
I think it has an energy lacking in the other Munster's sequels/spinoffs.
Some of my non fan coworkers thought it was cute.
I understand not everybody will be pleased with this project but I'll go in with an open mind and try to enjoy the show.
Question: What time period do you think this story takes place in?

I think the reworked trailer looks better but simply putting it in black & white doesn't fix the issues that most people have with the trailer though, namely, the shoddy audio, cinematography and bad acting.

Reducing the garish colors helps in the sense that a lot doesn't look as cheap and the obvious green screen shots are slightly less obvious, but still, that stuff shouldn't be in a $40 million dollar movie to begin with.

I'll be curious if Universal doesn't do some tweaking based on the negative reception of the trailer... But again if you have to go in and fix the trailer, then you know, something's wrong.

IMO, black and white totally fixes the cinematography in a lot of the shots.  The issue, I believe, people had with the cinematography was the depth of the shots.  Like, I had a significant issue with that in color.  Now, I don't.  Not every single shot is fixed by this, but a lot are.  As for those Herman medium close up shots...  I don't know how they play into the film, so I can't speak to those...  Problematic alone?  Yes.  And the Mockingbird Lane scene...  Again, that probably just needs to be cut. 

Audio can easily be fixed in post.  Like, it's not unsalvageable at all.  And depending on your speaker quality, you may not have even noticed an issue, so it's fixable.  I haven't read more than a few comments (and I've read a lot of opinions on this) about the acting.  Everyone loves Dan. 

I think releasing this in black and white would be to the benefit of the film and Universal.   

Quote from: ODBJBG on July 15, 2022, 10:21:45 AM
I think the reworked trailer looks better but simply putting it in black & white doesn't fix the issues that most people have with the trailer though, namely, the shoddy audio, cinematography and bad acting.

To be honest, a lot of the negative reactions that people have to Rob Zombie's Munster movie, remind me of my reaction the first time I saw "Munsters Today".(1987-1991) It only took me one episode, to not want to watch the show. I guess 30 years can make a difference, because last year, I found a DVD set  on Ebay, and decided to give it a second look. I actually found myself enjoying it. It did lack the cinematic quality of the original TV series, and I don't think anyone will be as good as Fred Gwynee, Al Lewis, or Yvonne DeCarlo were playing Herman, Grandpa, or Lilly. However, for a sitcom about a family of monsters living in a spooky house, I did find myself enjoying it. You don't have to argue with me that it wasn't as good as the original, but for an 80s shot on video sitcom, I did enjoy it.  I actually like that Herman will go back to the Jack Pierce style of Frankenstein Monster with Herman, and that Grandpa will not be a psychotic and truly evil villain, which was the case of Mockingbird Lane. It was a well acted and well written show with great production values, but it just wasn't the Munsters to me. Unlike "Munsters Revenge", it will be about Herman, Lilly, and Grandpa; not just focusing on Grandpa and Herman on the run in a wacky crime comedy, with Lilly pushed to the background., so we could focus on the blossoming love affair with Marilyn and a detective. I'm not sure how good the Munster Movie will actually be, but I am seeing things I really like, and so I'm looking forward to it. If I like it at least as much as "Munsters Today", I know I'll enjoy it.

Let me start by saying Dan, you nailed it. You created your own version of the character that is also close enough to the original portrayal to not be jarring to watch. As for Herman and Lily, I just don't get it. They sound like they are putting on a goofy voice instead of embodying a character. I know that this could just be the scenes used in the trailer and they could settle into a normal cadence and rhythm at some point, but it seems like they chose to sound funny to try to be funny.
I really want to enjoy this, and see 3 or 4 more films made. I will watch it as soon as it is available, that's for sure.

Quote from: aura of foreboding on July 15, 2022, 02:20:24 PM
Audio can easily be fixed in post. 

Agreed and it should be. But the reality is, it should have been fixed for the trailer. Again... There are audio pops in the voiceover. That's total amateur hour.

Why the rest of the audio mix is so bad, is also puzzling. Again, that goes to the whole larger point, this trailer was dreadful. Even if the film is fantastic. Whoever put this together should be fired.

Because either the film is just THAT BAD and this was the best they could do with what they were supplied, or the person putting it together was COMPLETELY incompetent.

Quote from: aura of foreboding on July 15, 2022, 02:20:24 PM
I haven't read more than a few comments (and I've read a lot of opinions on this) about the acting. 

The acting was one of the chief complaints. Not sure where you've looked, but I've seen honestly probably hundreds of comments about it. Because to the layman that's the stuff that stands out even moreso than the bad cinematography, sound, etc. Again, most people like Dan, but Sherri does not come off well in this trailer and she's front and center. Herman isn't featured as much, but he's not doing a lot either and everything else is just passing moments so it's hard to really judge so people mostly grade on what they see the most of and that's Sherri.

Quote from: Haunted hearse on July 16, 2022, 10:57:10 AM
To be honest, a lot of the negative reactions that people have to Rob Zombie's Munster movie, remind me of my reaction the first time I saw "Munsters Today".(1987-1991) It only took me one episode, to not want to watch the show. I guess 30 years can make a difference, because last year, I found a DVD set on Ebay, and decided to give it a second look. I actually found myself enjoying it.

I quite liked Munsters Today, but I know a lot of people didn't. Most even diehard Munster fans will dismiss it even today, despite it's great lengths to stay true to the original vision, same humor style, etc. It's not perfect, but it's a fine successor to the original given the constraints.

TBH though, I don't think that's the case here. It's not like it's just diehard Monster fans dismissing this. It was pretty much everyone who dismissed this based on the trailer, whether they were familiar with the property or only had a passing knowledge.


Anyway, I hope it turns out well. A lot of the promo shots looked good, I know a lot of the folks involved are big fans and wanted to do something good... But this trailer was bad, like, really bad. The intentions may be good, but the road to hell is paved with them and all that.

I guess we'll see in September!

Quote from: ODBJBG on July 16, 2022, 08:47:01 PM
Agreed and it should be. But the reality is, it should have been fixed for the trailer.

I have some thoughts on this.  They just wrapped filming like a few weeks back, and they are pushing out the film in two months...  I heard somewhere on YouTube it was a 10 month shoot...  That was really shocking to hear.  And now everything seems to be rushed to meet that September deadline.  Two months for post is kind of scary...  So everything is being rushed...  And, unless Zombie is going to try to use this negative publicity to negotiate big changes with the studio (a la the black and white thing... or maybe more time?), I am not sure what is going on.  Is it Universal demanding marketing start now?  Is it Universal pushing this as a September release?  Did Zombie just go way over on production time and we're facing the consequences of this now?  Is Zombie trying to push stuff out right now that doesn't look great to negotiate with Universal, and it's early enough that he has time to make the changes he wants?  If you think about how the teaser was done in black and white, and people didn't have a problem with it...  But then the trailer was in color, and people were like "NOOOOOOOO!"  It kinda makes you think there's a strategy here on Zombie's part.  But this final idea is all just wishful thinking on my part.  But it's good to have hope, I suppose.

Quite honestly, there is a problem with the trailers that is really significant.  I have not been able to figure out the titling on everything but the logo...  Like it's been so bad in both trailers.  "Now in Living Color..."  "Greatest Love Story Ever Told..."  The fonts, the styling, the animation...  is soooooooooo incredibly awful.  Like, it is just horrible.  And so maybe all these issues are just with the people editing the trailers.  Maybe the film is gonna be great.  But the trailers aren't?  That's another hope... 

QuoteThe acting was one of the chief complaints. Not sure where you've looked, but I've seen honestly probably hundreds of comments about it. Because to the layman that's the stuff that stands out even moreso than the bad cinematography, sound, etc. Again, most people like Dan, but Sherri does not come off well in this trailer and she's front and center. Herman isn't featured as much, but he's not doing a lot either and everything else is just passing moments so it's hard to really judge so people mostly grade on what they see the most of and that's Sherri.

As I have watched more trailer reviews and read more comments, I am seeing more comments on the acting. 

One thing brought up in one review was the fact that the family dynamic is gone from this, which makes it a lot more Addams than Munsters...  This is more like a Gomez and Morticia story than a Munsters story, which really focused primarily on Herman and Grandpa and the family as a whole.  I know the folks concerned about Sherri can't hope for much here in terms of focusing less on Lily, because Sherri is Rob's wife, but it would be cool if they could get a story that focused more on Herman and Grandpa's relationship rather than Lily and Herman's.  Like, I think a Munsters' Revenge approach would be perfect here for the commenters who don't like Sherri.   :laugh:

I am not going to judge any actor's performance based on a trailer, but I hope they have enough takes and enough footage to select the very best delivery and mannerisms.  My concern is that, because Sherri is married to the director, that we're not going to get the same push for "perfection" on set as we might without that relationship.  But I don't know anything about that.  Never met them or been on a set with them, so I can't speak to the professionalism.  But it's an arrangement that complicates a final product, but it's not impossible to pull off.  I am hoping for the best.  Yvonne De Carlo had an interesting way of acting.  Like it was unique.  But when I think of Lily Munster, I think of an almost curt matter-of-fact delivery, and Sherri is the opposite of that in this trailer.  Again, this is her interpretation of the character, but -- just like Fred Gwynne's voice and laugh -- you're gonna get obvious comparisons from viewers.  And so I hope the rest of the scenes will play a little differently. 

     

And it's straight to Netflix!  Wow.  What a rollercoaster.

Quote from: aura of foreboding on July 18, 2022, 02:42:32 PM
And it's straight to Netflix!  Wow.  What a rollercoaster.

Everything I read always stated this was always intended as a streaming release. It was assumed on Peacock since Universal is the parent company but looks like Netflix coughed up the dough to bring it to their service.

But... why?  Why is this on Netflix and not Peacock? 

Quote from: aura of foreboding on July 18, 2022, 05:30:30 PM
But... why?  Why is this on Netflix and not Peacock?

Money probably; it's always about the money. Must be more lucrative for Universal.

I wonder what it is that made Netflix interested in purchasing the distribution rights...  Maybe Universal was considering a theatrical release and then opted not to, resulting in them wanting to gain money some other way.  I wonder if Netflix having it will change any of the creative decisions (a la black and white).  We shall see what happens...   

Interesting. Looks like the Addams Family spinoff "Wednesday" will be on Netflix this fall as well.

I had hoped the film would receive a theatrical release.  Still Netflix is a popular streaming site and maybe it will get some decent exposure.

When I first heard Zombie was going to make this film, I thought it would likely be terrible.  The more I saw the more I thought it wouldn't be good, but for different reasons.  Initially I thought he'd mess it up like he did with the Halloween franchise, but I now see it being closer to the TV show, but being a prequel to it - showing how Herman became Herman, meeting Lily, falling in love, etc, etc.

When I saw the trailer, I figured the film was going to be a dud - both cinematically and financially.  I just can't see fans of the original really flocking to see this film - first - it just doesn't look funny to me.  Dan Roebuck looks and acts great in the scenes he's in, but the other actors - eh...just kind of overacting.  And modern, younger audiences - just can't see them wanting to see this.  So I thought it would hit theaters and be a financial bomb.

So putting it on Netflix instead - well, at least they'll make their money back.

That made for TV film with Edward Herrmann as Herman captured the flavor of the show, was made by people who loved the original show, and even that just missed the mark.  Something was missing.

You just can't capture lightning in a bottle.  It was a product of its time.  And that time is passed. 

But what if they did a cartoon?!

They'd have to add a dog...that talks. 

Quote from: MonsterBaker666 on July 19, 2022, 03:10:02 PM
They'd have to add a dog...that talks.

They already have a dragon and a cat.  I think a cartoon Munsters could work. 

Quote from: aura of foreboding on July 19, 2022, 03:50:35 PM
They already have a dragon and a cat.  I think a cartoon Munsters could work.

They tried doing a Munsters cartoon, and even had Al Lewis voicing Grandpa. Titled "Mini Munsters", it really wasn't very good. I'm fine with what Rob Zombie is doing, but considering what happened to She-ra, He-man, Powerpuff girls, and Thunder Cats, I really hope someone doesn't do an animated series. Especially, if we get Cal-arts style.

There appears to be quite a bit of discord over this project, however there are still others who see its merits. One such review was posted here:

https://www.cbr.com/rob-zombie-munsters-trailer-channels-original-series/ (https://www.cbr.com/rob-zombie-munsters-trailer-channels-original-series/)

I'm in this camp so far. The trailer made me think I'll like the film. I grew up during the era of the original run and the psychedelic 60's. I think the trailer does a nice job of emulating those times. I remember being worried about Young Frankenstein before its original release,  now it's one of my favorites. Hopefully The Munsters will follow suit.
RF

Quote from: Haunted hearse on July 20, 2022, 09:52:44 AM
They tried doing a Munsters cartoon, and even had Al Lewis voicing Grandpa. Titled "Mini Munsters", it really wasn't very good. I'm fine with what Rob Zombie is doing, but considering what happened to She-ra, He-man, Powerpuff girls, and Thunder Cats, I really hope someone doesn't do an animated series. Especially, if we get Cal-arts style.

Nobody wants CalArts.  Period.  But I think the Munsters, if done right, could be successful as a cartoon and really could reach a new generation.  But it would have to be done right.

New trailer for the DVD/BRD:

https://www.usatoday.com/videos/entertainment/movies/2022/07/20/exclusive-trailer-rob-zombie-munsters/10042888002/?fs=e&s=cl&fbclid=IwAR1Tkz12x5rV_QLPIKcaMMUYi_wNf148Tj2-t5xtWaN_j9qEmW02C4cJkgs#l5tqd26hqdu4jll7jgc (https://www.usatoday.com/videos/entertainment/movies/2022/07/20/exclusive-trailer-rob-zombie-munsters/10042888002/?fs=e&s=cl&fbclid=IwAR1Tkz12x5rV_QLPIKcaMMUYi_wNf148Tj2-t5xtWaN_j9qEmW02C4cJkgs#l5tqd26hqdu4jll7jgc)

Quote from: aura of foreboding on July 20, 2022, 01:45:18 PM
New trailer for the DVD/BRD:

DVD already?

Quote from: Mike Scott on July 20, 2022, 01:53:53 PM
DVD already?

Already.

Problem with reboots...they have to be good.  A Munsters cartoon...good idea BUT would you watch it with terrible animation, bad voice work and bad writing?  A live action reboot where they change all the characters...a comedy that isn't funny??? 

For a show to be successful everything has to click.

The original show was just right...the cast, characters, writing, b&w photography, set design...it all worked.  The Munsters Go Home movie didn't work for me...color...better in b&w.  The Munsters reunion film...something was just missing. 

And to me, this reboot is missing stuff.  The bright colors, the actors, the unfunny comedy...just not working.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't like a Munsters reboot, but this one just isn't working.

All, As a long standing member here, and someone with the honest to God inside scoop, I figured I would share a little bit. Ours is a unique fraternity, bound to one and other by this thing we love so much, Monsters. Thus I am speaking  to you, privately.
So first, the film was not a 40 million dollar movie. It was made on foreign soil for so much less than that and miraculously. It was NEVER going to be on PEACOCK. That was only a rumor. It was never going to be released Theatrically, that was a rumor. It was never going to be in B&W, another rumor. No major studio would allow a family movie to be made in anything but color in 2022. Arm chair quarterbacking won't change that.  It was made for Netflix and a day and date video release. Conceived for that from the very beginning. Netlflix is a HUGE thing, More eyes will be on it a one time than is ever possible with a theatrical run for a non tent pole movie.
Hope that clears things up. No conjecture needed. It wasn't dumped nor rushed. Everything is happening as it was planned and scheduled from the git go nearly two years ago. Universal doesn't listen to the internet carping because they are in the film business and not the FB business.
I think the film is a joyful romp. It will certainly bring new folks to the story and, in turn, perhaps back to the original series. Maybe some here won't like it because we are nostalgists and don't like things to be different. BUT maybe, just maybe, you will like it. A new and fun way to look at it. Colorful, just like MUNSTERS GO HOME. Silly, like the actual show was and filled with joy. Rob filled it with an amazing array of our favorite characters, ZOMBO, LESTER, UNCLE GILBERT, THE TIN CAN MAN. Even did an homage to the second year opening. No other version did any of that.   The  best news of all, the original series doesn't disappear. It'll be there, possibly discovered by a new generation, who had no idea what it was yesterday, but now maybe they will. Thanks for reading.

Thanks, Dan, for clearing all of that up.  I know studios and productions keep things under wraps and close to the vest, but there were a lot of information bombs dropped in the past week.  Pretty hard to take it all in.  It would have been nice to know a lot of this stuff sooner, but ours is not to reason why, I suppose.  So many YouTubers have been having a field day with speculation, way more than we have here, so more communication from the get-go would have been great on the part of Universal.  Then again, they probably don't really care all that much.  Not like we do... and, apparently, A LOT of the Internet.  It's kind of nice to hear how many people actually care about The Munsters!  If Universal doesn't listen to anything else, they ought to pay attention to THAT!

I read an article which featured an interview with Mr. Zombie, as you call him, a few months back, and he brought up the whole color and studio thing then.  It's just with so many people hopping on the black and white wagon across the Internet, it would have been nice for a studio to consider it, cause the first trailer looked great in black and white.  I can now see with the green screen backgrounds in the most recent trailer that black and white wouldn't work.  But it would have been cool.         

And, let me just say, your Grandpa is phenomenal.  I have enjoyed every clip of you in both trailers.  Not only is the acting on the nose, but the writing for the character also seems great!  Such a great homage to Al Lewis and the original show.  I am glad this most recent trailer features more interaction between Grandpa and Herman.  That's exactly what the doctor ordered.   H46j7

I've always been a Munsters guy.  Addams is great, but Munsters is where it's at.

Thanks, again, Dan!  :)

Can't wait till we can put all the speculation behind us, though you just put a lot of it to rest.

Thank you both.

When it came to "Young Frankenstein", I don't think many people know how hard it was for Mel Brooks to shoot that film in Black and White. The studios tried what they could to have that film made in color. They even claimed they wanted it shot in color for a foreign release, but in the states, would be released in Black and White. Brooks refused, because he knew if there was a color version, that would be the only one that would be released. In the end, Mel Brooks got his Black and White release. I love black and white films, would have enjoyed seeing Rob Zombie's film in B&W. However, the TV series was the only version of the Munsters to be shot in Black and White, and that wasn't for reasons of artistic integrity. It was shot in B&W, to save money on an already expensive television production. If the series had had a third season, that season would have been in color, since the public only wanted shows in color, and RCA wanted to sell color TVs. Starting with "Munster Go Home", every version of the Munsters has since been presented in color, because public demand calls for it. From what I've seen with the trailers, I'm convinced I'll enjoy this take on the Munsters, and I'm looking forward to buying the Combo pack, and seeing it.

Thank you, Dan. I am truly excited of Rob's vision of the Munsters.

Quote from: MonsterBaker666 on July 20, 2022, 06:38:27 PM
  A Munsters cartoon...good idea BUT would you watch it with terrible animation, bad voice work and bad writing?

You described "Mini-Munsters" a 1973 animated pilot for a Munsters cartoon, that only had Al Lewis doing the voice of Grandpa, from the original cast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inmwdTywh8o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inmwdTywh8o)

"Young Frankenstein...in black and white - no offense!"

Quote from: MonsterBaker666 on July 25, 2022, 10:36:21 AM
"Young Frankenstein...in black and white - no offense!"

Not a kid's film-  no offense😃



I for one am really looking forward to this. A tip of the hat to the old series, and pal Dan is Dear Grand Papaa. Does life get better? And, new fresh toys. In an old vein.

"Yeah, we could use some fresh blood around here..."
                        -Al Lewis as Grandpops Munster

Jeff Daniel Phillips Herman voice is just not connecting with me, it sounds like a mix of Gale Gordon (doing the, "Yes, may I help you?" line), Ed Wynn and possibly some Rip Taylor in there. I just don't get it? Is it supposed to be funny? Endearing? Grating? I know one has to bring their own take on a character but for me the voice doesn't work...at least not in the trailer.

Theouterhaven website has posted a review of the movie.  Summery is four and a half out of five stars.  I think the review reveals a bit too much of the plot so be warned.

Quote from: zombiehorror on July 26, 2022, 07:55:23 PM
Jeff Daniel Phillips Herman voice is just not connecting with me, it sounds like a mix of Gale Gordon (doing the, "Yes, may I help you?" line), Ed Wynn and possibly some Rip Taylor in there. I just don't get it? Is it supposed to be funny? Endearing? Grating? I know one has to bring their own take on a character but for me the voice doesn't work...at least not in the trailer.

I believe he supposed to be Teenage Herman, so puberty is making him talk like that.

Brian K

Quote from: michblk on September 20, 2022, 08:57:48 PM
I believe he supposed to be Teenage Herman, so puberty is making him talk like that.

Brian K

That is my assumption as well....my other assumption is someone thought that it would be funny.

I noticed the movie is available today on the spectrum cable on demand service for 6.99.  I plan on watching the film soon.

Saw it.  P U.

Lots of problems with it, but the main one is it's a comedy...that isn't funny.

Daniel Roebuck is good as The Count.  The rest of the cast...forgettable.  Some cameos by other celebs of the past, but they too are just forgettable after the "oh...that's...what's her name!"  wears off.  I can see rob Zombie was going for a look in the film with all the bright colors and such, but for me that was kind of distracting.  I'm not sure who he's aiming this movie at - it doesn't feel like the old TV show, and doesn't really look like it yet he keeps throwing in references to it.  It's also way too long.  I kept hoping it would be over soon enough. 

There's always a problem with these remakes - you just can't catch lightning in a bottle.  The original was a great show - it fit with the old universal monster movies - B&W, scary looking sets, good characters and the actors all fit the part.  This movie just misses ever mark.  We really didn't need a back story to the show.  And this back story just doesn't work. 

I just watched this. I really enjoyed it. Like a PG House of 1000 Corpses (which is my favorite Zombie flick).
Great for Halloween time, good fun.

Quote from: MonsterBaker666 on September 27, 2022, 09:25:05 AMWe really didn't need a back story to the show.  And this back story just doesn't work.

It isn't a backstory to the Munsters series since it doesn't even follow established lore/canon; this is RZ's own take on an origina story for his version of the Munsters. In the show Herman was created by Dr. Frankenstein (he also created Charlie and Johann) and Grandpa was friends with Dr. Frankenstein and present during Herman's creation. Also Herman fought for the U.S. in WWII meaning he at least had to have moved to the U.S. and become a U.S. citizen prior to 1945.

As a kid....I never got into the Munsters. I know, I know...blasphemy. I didn't "get it" at the time.

I thought they were making fun of the classic Universal Monsters.

My grandmother and my father taught me to treat those films as if they were a artistic masterpieces. So I did.  I still do.

Over the years, I have warmed up a tad to The Munsters.

I recently had the pleasure of meeting Dan again. He treated my wife and I as if we were the celebrities. He was the reason I watched RZ's Munsters.

If I closed my eyes, I could believe it was Al Lewis. Dan is amazing in his love letter to this show.

No matter your feelings on the finished product, it's obvious everyone involved was very enthusiastic, and believed in what they were doing.

It's obviously a loving homage to the classic show.

I also liked the fact that we finally get a reason why Eddie is a werewolf. It's a recessive gene that runs in the family on Lily's side,lol. Poor Lester. ;D

Watching it this afternoon, the show put a nice cap on a perfect Fall day. Some of the scenes were fun and I got a good laugh or two. Some other scenes didn't really work for me. I agree that the actor playing Grandpa nailed the role.  He really sounded and acted like I remember Al Lewis in the part. Zombie's daughter did a nice job as Lily, and the actor playing Herman also turned in a few good performances. The use of day glow color worked great in places, but was distracting in others. Nice to see Uncle Gilbert again and I liked the idea that he watches himself in the old CFTBL films.
That said, I dosed off in a few parts of the movie. No doubt the Octoberfest IPA I consumed played a part in that. However, combining this new Munsters project, a sunny warm day and some Fall foliage I really felt the day was a great kick start to my favorite time of year.
RF

Quote from: Rex fury on September 27, 2022, 06:01:25 PMZombie's daughter did a nice job as Lily,

Just a head's up, that's Rob Zombie's wife.

Quote from: Anton Phibes on September 27, 2022, 05:08:58 PM
I also liked the fact that we finally get a reason why Eddie is a werewolf. It's a recessive gene that runs in the family on Lily's side,lol. Poor Lester. ;D

That's pretty much been fan theory since forever given that Ly's brother was a werewolf; I don't believe it was ever mentioned in the original series though.

Quote from: Rex fury on September 27, 2022, 06:01:25 PM
I agree that the actor playing Grandpa nailed the role. 

The actor is Dan Roebuck, the UMA's very own "gracebuster".  :)

Quote from: zombiehorror on September 27, 2022, 06:22:46 PM
I don't believe it was ever mentioned in the original series though.

Which is exactly why I didn't know it, as it was never fleshed out or bothered with. Now it has been.

I feel Zombie wanted to actually film this in B/W

Quote from: marsattacks666 on September 27, 2022, 08:20:19 PM
I feel Zombie wanted to actually film this in B/W

Someone said on Facebook that Zombie did an interview and stated he did want to do it in b/w but Universal wouldn't greenlight that so if he had to do color he was going to crank up the pallette.

I just got done watching the movie; didn't hate it but didn't love it either. The beginning could use some re-editing and while some scenes had a classic Munster feel they were few and far between; for the most part it felt like RZ used the 60's Batman series as the template for this. Daniel Roebuck was great. I did end up mostly liking Jeff Daniel Phillips take on Herman but sometimes it bordered on parody. Sheri Moon Zombie was passable as Lily.

Lukewarm here. Didn't really hate it, but didn't love it either. As several have mentioned, Dan did a spectacular job as Grandpa. I thought the color lighting might have been paying homage to Basil Gogos. But after hearing what Rob Zombie said in his interview, guess I can't go in that direction. Would have been cool if that was his thought.

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I think this is the interview the Facebook poster was talking about but it doesn't appear that RZ even brought up shooting the film in b/w to Universal and just figured it would be a no from them.

https://collider.com/the-munsters-reboot-rob-zombie-color-film-comments/ (https://collider.com/the-munsters-reboot-rob-zombie-color-film-comments/)

Quote from: zombiehorror on September 27, 2022, 06:22:46 PM
That's pretty much been fan theory since forever given that Ly's brother was a werewolf; I don't believe it was ever mentioned in the original series though.

Lester made an appearance on the original Munsters series in the series in the episode "Herman's Rival" Herman made him a loan. He appears at the end of the episode, in the Gypsy Tea Room, where Lily has taken a job.

Thoughts:

It got better as it went along.  I did not like the beginning, and actually wanted to turn it off a few times, but I warmed up to it as it went along.  I chuckled a few times, mostly at Dan as Grandpa, but there were two times Herman made me laugh, and once with Lily at the very end.  Most of the humor didn't hit the mark, but there were times it worked. 

I have to say the color and depth were fixed from the trailer, but there was this weird gradient, almost pixelation -- as if from improper chromakeying -- that appeared on the actors' faces in a lot of this film, especially in the Transylvania scenes. 

A lot of people have complained about the ending.  I understood the ending, but it definitely could have been executed better.  Odd. 

There were so many anachronistic things in this film, and it really took me out of it.  This was clearly supposed to be set in the late '50s or early '60s, so why the weird anachronisms? 

I liked the origin stories for Spot and Igor.

I think zombiehorror kind of hit the nail on the head that this was not the Munsters and was definitely Batman-inspired.  Grandpa even did this:
https://youtu.be/RsYA8Gr5NTY?t=115 (https://youtu.be/RsYA8Gr5NTY?t=115) 

I don't hate this film.  Would I watch it again?  Probably not.  Was it offensive to the Munsters?  No.  Was it worse than any of the Munsters projects since the original series went off the air?  I don't think so.  What made Munster, Go Home and Munsters Revenge so watchable was seeing the original cast.  Would this film have been better with Fred Gwynne and Yvonne De Carlo?  Undoubtedly.  Would it have changed how I view it?  Undoubtedly.  Would I watch it again and again with them?  Probably.  That's the interesting thing about The Munsters.  It was the chemistry of the original cast that made it work, even when it didn't.  It was Fred Gwynne that made Herman so lovable, even when the scripts weren't very good.  Could we ever get any actors to fill the shoes of Gwynne and De Carlo?  I don't know.  Dan did a phenomenal job as Grandpa, so possibly.  But this is the film we got.  And it doesn't deserve the hate it's probably going to get. 

Quote from: Haunted hearse on September 27, 2022, 09:51:30 PM
Lester made an appearance on the original Munsters series in the series in the episode "Herman's Rival" Herman made him a loan. He appears at the end of the episode, in the Gypsy Tea Room, where Lily has taken a job.

I know Lester was on the original series, my point was I don't believe there was specific dialog about a recessive werewolf gene or why Lily was a vampire but Lester (and Eddie) was a werewolf. My assumption is that the show creators/writers wanted a werewolf on the show so theh threw in Lester and never in a million years thought the shows concepts would be being discussed years and years later.

I enjoyed it enough to pop it on in the background sometime in the future, but it won't get my full attention again. Like most of you folks I wasn't a huge fan but I didn't hate it. The only thing I couldn't stand was Sheri Moon Zombie's performance. The way she delivered her lines drove me nuts. It was gorgeous to look at and I found some high points. I wish it wasn't nearly two hours, because it didn't really need that much time.

Quote from: zombiehorror on September 28, 2022, 06:57:26 AM
I know Lester was on the original series, my point was I don't believe there was specific dialog about a recessive werewolf gene or why Lily was a vampire but Lester (and Eddie) was a werewolf. My assumption is that the show creators/writers wanted a werewolf on the show so theh threw in Lester and never in a million years thought the shows concepts would be being discussed years and years later.

I didn't even know Lester was on the original show. Like I said....I had a difficult time with The Munsters as a kid. Maybe I will go find that episode online.

Quote from: aura of foreboding on September 28, 2022, 02:37:15 AM

What made Munster, Go Home and Munsters Revenge so watchable was seeing the original cast.  Would this film have been better with Fred Gwynne and Yvonne De Carlo?  Undoubtedly.  Would it have changed how I view it?  Undoubtedly.  Would I watch it again and again with them?  Probably.  That's the interesting thing about The Munsters.  It was the chemistry of the original cast that made it work, even when it didn't.  It was Fred Gwynne that made Herman so lovable, even when the scripts weren't very good.  Could we ever get any actors to fill the shoes of Gwynne and De Carlo?  I don't know.  Dan did a phenomenal job as Grandpa, so possibly.  But this is the film we got.  And it doesn't deserve the hate it's probably going to get.

I don't feel that way about the original cast. For me Munster, Go Home is just a fun movie but Munsters Revenge isn't even saved by having the original cast. I enjoy both Here Come The Munsters and Munsters Scary Little Christmas despite the fact that Fred, Al, Yvonne, Butch or Pat aren't in them but on the other hand don't care for Munsters Today....and I doubt I would have changed my mind if any of the original cast were part of that show.

Quote from: zombiehorror on September 28, 2022, 01:29:03 PM
I don't feel that way about the original cast. For me Munster, Go Home is just a fun movie but Munsters Revenge isn't even saved by having the original cast. I enjoy both Here Come The Munsters and Munsters Scary Little Christmas despite the fact that Fred, Al, Yvonne, Butch or Pat aren't in them but on the other hand don't care for Munsters Today....and I doubt I would have changed my mind if any of the original cast were part of that show.

Fair.  But if you had someone more like Yvonne as Lily, would you enjoy this more? 

I think, more so than having the same actors like I said before, it's more about familiarity of the characters, and I didn't find Lily all that familiar here, either in writing or acting.  There were some familiar phrases written in the script for her, but, it just wasn't Lily.  Herman was written okay, but JDP didn't always deliver on the material in a way we, as Munsters fans, are familiar with.  And I think that's an inherent problem with remakes.  Either you go all in and try to re-create exactly what was in the original or you take it in a totally different direction.  Zombie tried to do the former, and we got this.  The NBC Mockingbird Lane (?) series did the latter, and it was awful as an attempt at The Munsters.  There are some remakes that actually work.  How and why?  I don't know.   

Quote from: aura of foreboding on September 28, 2022, 01:46:05 PM
Fair.  But if you had someone more like Yvonne as Lily, would you enjoy this more? 

No. I didn't have an issue with SMZ's Lily, although she was rather generic but the other portrayals of Lily (post Yvonne of course) have been too.

I enjoyed Mockingbird Lane was looking forward to where they would have taken it. Was it "The Munsters"? Definitely not but it wasn't trying to be; Rob's was trying to be but in my opinion it was a misguided attempt. It's like he watched episodes of the 60's Batman series (or maybe the movie from that era), Munsters Revenge and some Munsters Today while he was writing the script and thinking of what direction he wanted to go.

I don't understand the negative reviews at all-- Dan is fantastic, the movie is fun, it's far more fun than ANY other Munsters movie including GO HOME which is nearly unwatchable.   Is it the original show?  Nope.  But that TV Series remake tried to do an exact remake in the 80s or 90s and it was wretched.   This is a fresh take and while it's no BEETLEJUICE or even ED WOOD it was a really good Halloween movie and Zombie's affection fro the characters was readily apparent.

Thumbs up.

Most reboots/remakes are created by fans of the source material but regardless of intention there are always ones that are just misguided attempts no matter how much of a love letter it is to the original.

Munster, Go Home unwatchable?? How is it any different than watching episodes of the series? Besides of course Eddie and Marilyn's casting.

Munster, go home!(1966)
Is a totally funny film. Great plot and acting. The later Munster films are,  just okay. Munsters' revenge.....not the best, yet entertaining.

Your personal mileage may vary-- and no offense to those of you who like MUNSTER GO HOME-- I find it incredibly unfunny and the gags completely played out.   I never thought I'd miss a laugh track, but I did.

The original show had a lot of charm, but honestly it was Fred and Al's chemistry that made it work. 
Zombie's take doesn't try to mimic either Fred or Al-- each actor brings his own spin to it.  The fact that it had to be in color and Rob decided to go bonkers crazy with that color in the first ⅔ really worked.   It started to fall flat for me when they got to Karloffornia and everything was filmed straight.

I'd be happy to see a sequel (and I don't normally root for ANY sequels) if only to see Herman and Grandpa team up as their friendship grows.

Glad to see several people liked the new movie.
It was.... interesting. Hard to say if it was good or bad but I liked it.

Quote from: marsattacks666 on September 28, 2022, 10:37:44 PM
Munster, go home!(1966)
Is a totally funny film. Great plot and acting. The later Munster films are,  just okay. Munsters' revenge.....not the best, yet entertaining.

Agreed on Go Home, though I will say Here Comes The Munsters was quite a pleasant surprise. Few more passes at the script and it could have been as good as The Addams Family (1992).

Having seen it yesterday, and again today with the comentary, I genuinely liked it, and even enjoyed Sheri Moon Zombie as Lily. I wrote a blog about my thoughts on Rob Zombie's "The Munsters"
https://baronvonkrieger.tumblr.com/post/696689985194262528/rob-zombies-the-munsters

Honestly wasn't that bad. Granted, it being one of Universal's DTV films, it's rough but nowhere near as awful as people said it was. Considering it's seems to be quite the seller in terms of sales, hoping they're able to fix some of the issues they had here.

I do hope they film in the Universal Backlot in the sequel as well. Considering they had it for filming Distressed Housewives or some kind of soap crap, Universal can let Rob film in the classic street for one of their DTV films.

Anyone who thinks "Scary Little Christmas" is better than this though is koo-koo crazy.

Looking forward to watching it this weekend.

Quote from: MikeSTZillak on September 29, 2022, 10:59:16 PM
Anyone who thinks "Scary Little Christmas" is better than this though is koo-koo crazy.

I would gladly be put in an insane asylum over that opinion. Munsters' Scary Little Christmas is way better than RZ's attempt.

I just watched this and i am stunned the script was 5 pages long??? Theres no story here, no objective or antagonist, just a chain of scenes going nowhere.

I am really surprised people actually do liked the romance between Herman and Lily, it was the most bland and...unromantic thing i seen. I really wish Lily had someone else searching for her love or the Count do anything against Herman but nothing happend. I think that was bored me the most, the nothing happening in this movie and the fact they even put the ending in the trailer of some months ago. At least Monster Go Home had an adventure narrative and a conflict to tell...

Also waths whit Sheri Moon Zombie?? It looked like she was imitating Jack Sparrow instead of Lily.

I feel bad for Cassandra Peterson. She could have been a good antagonist who try to expell the Munsters from her comunity and yet they only give her 5 minutes on screen. I hope she didn't travel to Europe just for that.

Yeah, I've been thinking about it more...  and I have to say...  A LOT must have been cut out of this film, because I feel like there was very little character interaction once the story actually got going...  We spend so much time with Lily and Orlock, with the doctor and Floop, and yet we spend very little time with the main Munsters crew once Lily and Herman start dating.  Yeah, we see Lily and Herman, but where's Grandpa?  There should have been a lot more interaction between Grandpa and Herman after that first date.  Like there was this big set up for Grandpa to try to stop Herman, and then... nothing.  Furthermore, I didn't understand how Grandpa went from hating Herman to just being okay with him taking everyone to America.  Herman ruined his life, and he's just cool with it.  If there wasn't a lot cut out at this point, then I don't know what to say about the script.  I would have cut 60% of the first 30 minutes if I cut anything. 

I really like the idea of Cassandra trying to oust the Munsters.  That would have been a GREAT plot for this film. 

Quote from: Akira-Devilman on September 30, 2022, 08:31:46 PM
I hope she didn't travel to Europe just for that.

Assuming her trip was paid for, why wouldn't she go?

Quote from: Mike Scott on September 30, 2022, 09:52:10 PM
Assuming her trip was paid for, why wouldn't she go?

I am sure she had fun tough its a waste having her around for such a little while. Actually this applys to many characters as well that only vanished suddenly, and the Count too since like Aura of Foreboding said, he went from hating Herman to really like him and never once tried to get in the way of those two. The boring romance of Herman and Lily took too much screen time (and it would have been more interesting with the rest of the family participating).

I liked it. My daughter, who watched Munsters, Go Home pretty much none stop for a year as a toddler did too. Is it perfect? Lord no. It's probably honestly a bit too long. Maybe they cut the wrong stuff? But it was a fun watch. I was entertained, and that's what I pay the Netflix bill for. Daniel Roebuck was the best part, but I felt like the rest of the cast did a pretty good job. They evoked the characters pretty well without trying to just ape Gwynne and DeCarlo.

Let me start by saying that I liked all of Rob Zombie's movies and I've only seen about 10-15 original Munsters shows.  I went into this movie hoping for the best.  Sadly, after about 20 minutes, I wanted to turn the thing off.  It was boring and had zero plot.  I did like the various nods to classic horror movies, but that's about it.  Making it all the way through was a struggle, and when the movie was done I was sad that I just wasted an hour and a half of my night off.

I'm not a fan of RZ's earlier efforts, so I went into this with low expectations. Well, I liked it!! I loved the visuals/art direction, & the actors, Dan Roebuck specifically, were fine in their roles. It was fun & entertaining, a gift to monster kids, & a loving tribute to the original show.

Quote from: LundyAfterMidnight on October 02, 2022, 04:47:38 AM
I'm not a fan of RZ's earlier efforts, so I went into this with low expectations. Well, I liked it!! I loved the visuals/art direction, & the actors, Dan Roebuck specifically, were fine in their roles. It was fun & entertaining, a gift to monster kids, & a loving tribute to the original show.

Ditto, Lundy.  I enjoyed it very much.  I do agree there really wasn't a plot, but I liked the make-up, use of color, silly humor and characters. It did seem to be a kind of love letter to '60s monster kids.

I agree with Lunk and Lundy. Fun movie. Gorgeous to look at. Love his use of colors. Fun costume and set design too. I thought Sherri Moon Zombie was ok, but didn't stand out. Grandpa was great and Herman stole the show. I'd actually look forward to a sequel.

Just watched the film tonight.  That was well bizarre, weird, campy and a bit silly.  The plot did make sense but the could have been better constructed.  As a kiddie Halloween movie it was fine.  I enjoyed many of the jokes.  I like the use of color and the art direction. 

It was probably to off beat for many but I liked it overall.  The acting worked for the type of movie it is. 

Maybe it's the Mexican bottled coca cola or the microwave movie theater popcorn talking but overall I enjoyed it.  It is refreshing to see a comedy without below the belt humor, smarmy references or heavy scarcasm.  Fun entertaining movie for the family.  It wasn't too kiddish it had a slight edge to it.  Fun film.

Quote from: Akira-Devilman on October 01, 2022, 12:55:14 AM
I am sure she had fun tough its a waste having her around for such a little while. Actually this applys to many characters as well that only vanished suddenly, and the Count too since like Aura of Foreboding said, he went from hating Herman to really like him and never once tried to get in the way of those two. The boring romance of Herman and Lily took too much screen time (and it would have been more interesting with the rest of the family participating).

At the Wedding, the Count was going to say something, but a glare from Lily caused him to rethink that.

Finally watched this.

Went in really trying to give it a go. Put aside any preconceived notions and just enjoy this.

Yeah it was bad. Really bad.

Dan's great. Visually it looks much better than the trailer would have you believe.

But nothing else is good. Not funny. No heart. No charm. Herman is unlikeable. Not his performance necessarily (though I found that rather uneven) but the writing. Herman is an oaf sure, but a loveable one. Not this one.

Rob Zombie is not a good director. Might be a swell guy, but his stuff doesn't translate to the screen. He can make a cool looking music video but movies they are a lot more than that.

At the risk of belaboring this and hurting people's feelings, I'll just say yeah my least favorite Munsters thing ever, missing the mark not only for the Munsters but just a movie in general.

As a person who enjoyed it, one thing I'm getting, if you hated the previews, you probably won't like it.
If you do watch it, and after 10 minutes you aren't enjoying it, you might as well turn it off, because you likely won't like the rest of it.
I watched some feature length Munster films, once a day, before buying it. I thought it compared well to the four I did watch, and I preferred it to "Munsters Revenge", which although having most of the original cast, suffered from a storyline about Herman and Grandpa needing to clear their names from crimes committed by look alike robots. I like Bob Hastings, but his "Cousin Phantom of the Opera" was not one of my favorite of his roles. Rob Zombie's film was a better job of telling the story of Munsters coming to America, then "Here Come the Munsters"(1995).
Although I would have preferred black and white, I understand Rob had to film it in color. His color palate was inspired by Creepshow, and reminded me of a black light monster poster I had growing up.
The Film also reminded me of the Groovie Goolies with their bright colors and corny humor.
So for me, it was a fun watch, and considering all the trouble Rob Zombie went through making it, I'm glad I saw it, and it's in my media library.

Quote from: Haunted hearse on October 26, 2022, 09:14:10 PM
As a person who enjoyed it, one thing I'm getting, if you hated the previews, you probably won't like it.
If you do watch it, and after 10 minutes you aren't enjoying it, you might as well turn it off, because you likely won't like the rest of it.

I disagree with this, actually.  I think if you can make it through the first half hour, which has very little to do with The Munsters, you get some payoff in the rest of the film.  I actively wanted to turn it off in the first part.  I just wasn't getting into it, but it got better.

Quote from: aura of foreboding on October 27, 2022, 01:27:55 AM
I disagree with this, actually.  I think if you can make it through the first half hour, which has very little to do with The Munsters, you get some payoff in the rest of the film.  I actively wanted to turn it off in the first part.  I just wasn't getting into it, but it got better.

Too many people come into watching this film, knowing they're not going to like this movie, and as they watch how bad they think it is, they feel they are proven right. I went into the film knowing that it wasn't exactly going to be like the original series. The Previews I thought would have given a pretty good idea what to expect. The color pallet used, how silly it would be, and what to expect. I wasn't disappointed, and I liked what I saw. Another person on youtube despised what he saw with the previews. He said the only reason to watch it, was to hate watch it. The only reason to buy the DVD, if you were a completionist. You must be a really dedicated completionist to buy a film that you dislike. I love Dark Shadows, but seeing Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows" in the discount bin, still wasn't any reason for me to buy a copy of a film I'd rather pretend never existed. I know that film has fans, I'm just not one of them. For me, the film was pretty consistent throughout. I just don't see, that it got better as the film went on, because I was fine with the film through it's entire run time. For me, the weakest point of the film was the small animated segment where Lily, Grandpa, and Herman were traveling around Los Angeles. That however, didn't last too long, so for me, it wasn't a big deal.

Quote from: Haunted hearse on October 31, 2022, 10:00:33 AM
Too many people come into watching this film, knowing they're not going to like this movie, and as they watch how bad they think it is, they feel they are proven right. I went into the film knowing that it wasn't exactly going to be like the original series. The Previews I thought would have given a pretty good idea what to expect. The color pallet used, how silly it would be, and what to expect. I wasn't disappointed, and I liked what I saw. Another person on youtube despised what he saw with the previews. He said the only reason to watch it, was to hate watch it. The only reason to buy the DVD, if you were a completionist. You must be a really dedicated completionist to buy a film that you dislike. I love Dark Shadows, but seeing Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows" in the discount bin, still wasn't any reason for me to buy a copy of a film I'd rather pretend never existed. I know that film has fans, I'm just not one of them. For me, the film was pretty consistent throughout. I just don't see, that it got better as the film went on, because I was fine with the film through it's entire run time. For me, the weakest point of the film was the small animated segment where Lily, Grandpa, and Herman were traveling around Los Angeles. That however, didn't last too long, so for me, it wasn't a big deal.

For me, it was all about wanting to see The Munsters, and they were just AWOL from the start.  Just as with Munster, Go Home, I didn't care about scenes that didn't have the Munsters.  Just having Lily doesn't count.  We need the group, and their interactions.  I honestly feel like Munster, Go Home was a big factor in this film.  While Zombie ignored the whole backstory given in the movie, he re-created some of the scenes from this film.  I almost want to call it a remake, but that isn't quite right...  But it's definitely eerily similar, with Transylvania being swapped for England and then the timeline reversed. 

Quote from: aura of foreboding on October 31, 2022, 01:24:36 PM
For me, it was all about wanting to see The Munsters, and they were just AWOL from the start.  Just as with Munster, Go Home, I didn't care about scenes that didn't have the Munsters.  Just having Lily doesn't count.  We need the group, and their interactions.  I honestly feel like Munster, Go Home was a big factor in this film.  While Zombie ignored the whole backstory given in the movie, he re-created some of the scenes from this film.  I almost want to call it a remake, but that isn't quite right...  But it's definitely eerily similar, with Transylvania being swapped for England and then the timeline reversed.

I consider it an alternate universe Munster history, like Rob Zombie's "Halloween" was an alternate universe Michael Meyers story.  Even in the original series we had a lack of continuity. In "Treasure of Mockingbird Heights", having the Munster House being built over Captain Morgan's fort suggests the east coast. Yet other episodes suggest that Mockingbird Heights is out west, and in the episode that Herman tries out for the LA Dodgers, they apparently live in Los Angeles County. Having watched the previous Munster Feature length film, we also changes to the time line. The entire family, except Marilyn, came to America, yet I get from the series that Eddie was born in the states, after Herman had been a soldier in the army during the Second World War, and he married Lily long before he joined the Army. Eddie was unaware of his father being adopted by the Munster Family, yet for him to have inherited the title of Lord Munster, it's not clear when or how the Munster family adopted Herman, and why he and Lily never brought that up to Eddie, until Herman inherited the title. Both "Here Comes the Munsters" and "Munsters Scary Little Christmas" suggest Eddie lived all his life in Transylvania, till he left for the states, but the original story is clear that Eddie would have been born after WW2, and very likely in this country. Also, since Marilyn's parents were established in "Here Come the Munsters", why didn't they make an appearance in "Scary Little Christmas"? Didn't the Munsters move into the house that was still owned by Herman's sister and brother in Law? If this is a story about the Munsters coming to America, then it makes sense to me that Eddie isn't part of the family yet. Also, like "Here Come the Munsters", there must be a reason why the Count is staying with them. Losing his Castle due to his idiot son in law, is probably as valid as Dracula having his Castle taken from him, by the Romanian Government , like in "Love at First Bite". My guess is if Rob Zombie makes a second film, Eddie and Marilyn will be part of it.

Quote from: Haunted hearse on October 31, 2022, 07:01:53 PM
I consider it an alternate universe Munster history, like Rob Zombie's "Halloween" was an alternate universe Michael Meyers story.  Even in the original series we had a lack of continuity. In "Treasure of Mockingbird Heights", having the Munster House being built over Captain Morgan's fort suggests the east coast. Yet other episodes suggest that Mockingbird Heights is out west, and in the episode that Herman tries out for the LA Dodgers, they apparently live in Los Angeles County. Having watched the previous Munster Feature length film, we also changes to the time line. The entire family, except Marilyn, came to America, yet I get from the series that Eddie was born in the states, after Herman had been a soldier in the army during the Second World War, and he married Lily long before he joined the Army. Eddie was unaware of his father being adopted by the Munster Family, yet for him to have inherited the title of Lord Munster, it's not clear when or how the Munster family adopted Herman, and why he and Lily never brought that up to Eddie, until Herman inherited the title. Both "Here Comes the Munsters" and "Munsters Scary Little Christmas" suggest Eddie lived all his life in Transylvania, till he left for the states, but the original story is clear that Eddie would have been born after WW2, and very likely in this country. Also, since Marilyn's parents were established in "Here Come the Munsters", why didn't they make an appearance in "Scary Little Christmas"? Didn't the Munsters move into the house that was still owned by Herman's sister and brother in Law? If this is a story about the Munsters coming to America, then it makes sense to me that Eddie isn't part of the family yet. Also, like "Here Come the Munsters", there must be a reason why the Count is staying with them. Losing his Castle due to his idiot son in law, is probably as valid as Dracula having his Castle taken from him, by the Romanian Government , like in "Love at First Bite". My guess is if Rob Zombie makes a second film, Eddie and Marilyn will be part of it.

All good thoughts!!  I've tried to rationalize away some of these things myself.  But if everything just exists in a separate universe, it makes it easier... except the inconsistencies in the original run! 

In the original series it is established lily and Herman have been married for 100 years.  The new film doesn't follow the continuity of the original series

Quote from: Haunted hearse on October 31, 2022, 10:00:33 AM
Too many people come into watching this film, knowing they're not going to like this movie, and as they watch how bad they think it is, they feel they are proven right.

Nah. I can assure you, that is not the case with the vast majority of people who don't like it.

As most have pointed out and I did as well, while the trailer was comically abysmal, the problems with the trailer were not at all the problems with the movie. Both things are terrible and bad, but for vastly different reasons.

The trailer was poorly edited, with bad audio and looked really cheap.

The film doesn't look cheap for the most part, and it's edited in a coherent way (plot and pacing issues aside) and the audio mix is fine. It's just really poorly written, acted (with a couple of exceptions) and directed.

I don't think anyone felt vindicated or had confirmation bias. It's not a matter of if it was too close to the original series or not close enough. While I'm sure SOME people will never like anything short of the original, most were open to a new interpretation on some level. But it's just a bad movie, with almost zero humor (for a comedy), no drama, inconsistent plot points and characterizations.

I watched it with my wife who has zero preconceived notions about the film, had no idea who directed it and just wanted to watch a fun Halloween flick. She told me it was one of the worst movies we had ever watched (and boy does that cover a lot of ground) and she didn't like anything about the movie itself, characters, plot, pacing, etc. She had no issue with the FX or makeup or it not being closely tied to the original.

The trailer didn't poison the well because a lot of people would have given it a break if it cleared the low bar set by the trailer. It was just awful in ways people hadn't imagined and was probably worse than the trailer indicated because the trailer was almost Ed Wood level bad whereas the actual film doesn't even have that redeeming charm.

Quote from: ODBJBG on November 02, 2022, 11:29:13 AM

I don't think anyone felt vindicated or had confirmation bias. It's not a matter of if it was too close to the original series or not close enough. While I'm sure SOME people will never like anything short of the original, most were open to a new interpretation on some level. But it's just a bad movie, with almost zero humor (for a comedy), no drama, inconsistent plot points and characterizations.

For a film with  "zero humor", I found myself laughing in spots. From comments I've read, I'm not alone in liking the film. If enough people like it. it will no doubt get a sequel. If not enough people like it, no doubt eventually, someone will give us their take on the Monster Family from Mockingbird Heights.