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Title: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 15, 2017, 04:35:50 PM
Cryptids are unknown animals/beings that have no current zoological classification and may or may not exist. They come in many forms:

Humanoids: such as Bigfoot, yeti, most of the versions of Sasquatch and other anthropoids, dogmen, Reptilian bipeds, the Goatman, etc..

Sea or lake dwellers such as the Loch Ness Monster, Champ, Ogopogo, the Monterey Sea serpent,etc..

Flying creatures or humanoids such as the Mothman of Point Pleasant, the Jersey Devil, Thunderbirds and prehistoric flying reptiles,etc..

Other creatures that defy classification such as the Dover Demon, the Chupacabra,etc..

Whether local legends or part of folklore, these things have become part of the human experience to many people..

Anyone  have an interest in them or care to discuss?  :)

(http://orig08.deviantart.net/3d43/f/2016/214/f/6/postersmall_by_v_l_a_d_i_m_i_r-dacbhf7.jpg)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 15, 2017, 04:58:19 PM
An Artist's rendition

(http://img00.deviantart.net/b3a1/i/2011/178/9/2/project_cryptid_v_1_5_by_synapticboomstick-d1a4vii.png)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Remco Wolfman on October 15, 2017, 09:32:44 PM
Absolutely love Cryptids. I sometimes think about what it would have been like to live in a time and place when, if you walked a dark village road at night, in the back of your mind you were just a tad concerned that there may be vampires, werewolves, witches etc. out there lurking in the dark. At times you'll see authentic vampire kits go for auction and sell for large sums. I like to think about the ever prepared soul who carried such a kit with him in days of yore.

Cryptids hold just a bit of that same terrifying magic in the modern day. My family camps a lot and I had one of my kids ask if Bigfoot is real and I was happy to report ... "I'm not sure" (much to the irritation of my wife). I'm not saying Sasquatch & other cryptids exist. But I'm not saying they don't ... who am I to say.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on October 16, 2017, 03:37:41 PM
Lake Champlain and Lake Okanagan have hosted populations of fresh water sea monsters for eons.

Lake Champlain

Max. length 201 km (125 mi)
Max. width 23 km (14 mi)
Surface area 1,269 sq km (490 sq mi)
Average depth 19.5 m (64 ft)
Max. depth 122 m (400 ft)

The ones in Lake Champlain are collectively known as Champ.

Lake Okanagan

Max. length  135 kilometres (84 mi)
Max. width 5 kilometres (3.1 mi)
Surface area 351 square kilometres (136 sq mi)
Average depth 76 m (249 ft)
Max. depth 232 m (761 ft)

Those in Lake Okanagan are called Ogopogo.

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/e3/a7/a3/e3a7a3610ecd5d0dc575c021e08432f7--extinct-animals-prehistoric-animals.jpg)

The jersey of the Kelowna Rockets, of the major junior Western Hockey League, has for decades featured the prehistoric monster dwelling in Lake Okanagan named Ogopogo:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/AKelowna2.jpg) (http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/AKelowna4.jpg) (http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/AKelowna.jpg)

Ogopogo has been devouring careless fishermen and swimmers in the lake for thousands of years.

cl:)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: BRICK on October 16, 2017, 04:41:51 PM
I am quite interested in the field of Cryptozoology; admittedly, while I am more skeptical of the subject than I once was,  I do still try to keep an open mind. Growing up, I loved to watch "in Search Of..." or those Sun Classic "Shock-umentaries" of the 1970's. I can also remember when my first son was born and I would have to feed him in the middle of the night; to past the time I would listen to Art Bell and the paranormal radio show AM Coast to Coast. There were a lot of calls about ghosts and UFOs, but every now and then you would get a caller saying "...and that's when Bigfoot ran in front of my truck!"

Over the years, there has been a perpetual tug of war when it comes to evidence (i.e. look, it's real; no, this proves it's a hoax; wait, here's more proof of existence; nope, here is more counter-evidence; etc). I have to admit that National Geographic's research into Bigfoot, looking at where the joints bend in the Patterson film, is quite compelling.

In the end, I like to think we live in a world where wondrous things still exist, waiting to be discovered (like the Coelacanth). The sad fact is, however, that rather than discovering a bunch of new species, we are finding more and more animals that are on the brink of extinction, that are apt to become future cryptozoological specimens.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 17, 2017, 02:03:46 PM
The Mothman of Point Pleasant, W.Virginia is one of a select few cryptids that actually has a monument dedicated to it..

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/01/9b/27019b1a2d8a656c28f3c833d7b19170.jpg)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Count Zero on October 17, 2017, 03:27:52 PM
Quote from: BRICK on October 16, 2017, 04:41:51 PM
to past the time I would listen to Art Bell and the paranormal radio show AM Coast to Coast. There were a lot of calls about ghosts and UFOs, but every now and then you would get a caller saying "...and that's when Bigfoot ran in front of my truck!"

i love coast to coast! art bell & george noory... great stuff.
i still listen to this day.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Count Zero on October 17, 2017, 03:29:50 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/1xs2yj.jpg)
ever heard of the skunk ape?
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 17, 2017, 03:58:02 PM
Quote from: Count Zero on October 17, 2017, 03:27:52 PM
i love coast to coast! art bell & george noory... great stuff.
i still listen to this day.

Same here! Some great radio at night. Beyond Reality with Jason Hawes(from Ghost Hunters) is also on before it here..double dose of paranormal radio. :)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 17, 2017, 04:00:52 PM
Quote from: Count Zero on October 17, 2017, 03:29:50 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/1xs2yj.jpg)
ever heard of the skunk ape?

A strange thing about this photo is that the woman who took it submitted it anonymously..most people(when trying to hoax, that is) make sure that they get credit for the publicity side. This person wanted nothing to do with that and sent it to investigators with a bit of background story and not much about herself because she said that she found the creature disturbing. :o
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 17, 2017, 04:08:38 PM
This Friday, October 20, 2017, will be the 50th anniversary of this film footage and photos:

(http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/patterson_bigfoot_lg.jpg)

The Patterson/Gimlin film was taken on October, 20,1967 and has been hotly debated for decades as to whether or not it is evidence that Sasquatch exists..despite the many naysayers over the years, no one has ever been able to debunk the footage as a hoax.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 17, 2017, 04:12:20 PM
This photo allegedly showing Champ(the Lake Champlain Monster) was taken 40 years back in 1977..

(http://www.cryptozoonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/ChampMansi.jpg)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 17, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
The most famous cryptid photo ever was revealed to be a hoax back in the 1990's..dubbed "Surgeon's photo", this pic supposedly showed the Loch Ness Monster and was considered real by many investigators for decades, until a person who assisted the surgeon revealed that it was a toy submarine with a serpent-like head attached to it..several attempts to replicate it confirmed the story that it was easily able to be replicated..

(https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/nintchdbpict0002368798841.jpg?w=960&strip=all)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Remco Wolfman on October 17, 2017, 08:32:58 PM
Quote from: Count Zero on October 17, 2017, 03:27:52 PM
i love coast to coast! art bell & george noory... great stuff.
i still listen to this day.

I used to have to drive home from work very late at night. Always listened to Coast to Coast AM. I was always astonished at how much George Noory knew about the most obscure and bizarre stuff from the most obscure places in the US. He'd sometimes talk about random stuff from my area that I'd never heard of. Then I'd look it up. Sure enough, he was speaking authoritatively.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 21, 2017, 08:22:17 AM
Legend chart of cryptids in North America:

(http://assets4.bigthink.com/system/tinymce_assets/941/original/Monsters_in_America2.jpg?1421799253)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: BRICK on October 21, 2017, 12:30:18 PM
Great poster! While I realize that this logo doesn't have either Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster in it, I still love it!

(http://imageshack.com/a/img922/5189/QwScpf.jpg)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 21, 2017, 03:01:18 PM

When I was growing up, we had our very own local cryptid. My home town of Grimsby, in the North East of England was at one time Europe's leading fishing port, until the cod wars which led to it's decline. It was during the town's heyday that rumours of 'dock cats' began to emerge. Apparently stray domestic cats had bred in and around the docks, and with an abundance of fish to eat had become very large in size.
My father (who was a filleter on the docks) told me that one night working late he saw a massive cat, which looked almost twice the size of a domestic cat, carrying a huge dogfish in it's jaws up a vertical ladder on one of the pontoons. He also told me that a friend of his had come across a litter of kittens in an abandoned office and was attacked by their protective and very large mother. It captured my imagination and occasionally I would sneak into the old pontoons which were by then mostly derelict hoping for a glimpse of one of the beasts. I never saw any, but I came across many dead pigeons which I fancied were killed by the dock cats!
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Ludi on October 21, 2017, 06:27:22 PM
I must admit I am a believer in Bigfoot!   :)

(But not a believer in "Patty," who is a guy in a suit)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 21, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
Quote from: long live kong on October 21, 2017, 03:01:18 PM
When I was growing up, we had our very own local cryptid. My home town of Grimsby, in the North East of England was at one time Europe's leading fishing port, until the cod wars which led to it's decline. It was during the town's heyday that rumours of 'dock cats' began to emerge. Apparently stray domestic cats had bred in and around the docks, and with an abundance of fish to eat had become very large in size.
My father (who was a filleter on the docks) told me that one night working late he saw a massive cat, which looked almost twice the size of a domestic cat, carrying a huge dogfish in it's jaws up a vertical ladder on one of the pontoons. He also told me that a friend of his had come across a litter of kittens in an abandoned office and was attacked by their protective and very large mother. It captured my imagination and occasionally I would sneak into the old pontoons which were by then mostly derelict hoping for a glimpse of one of the beasts. I never saw any, but I came across many dead pigeons which I fancied were killed by the dock cats!

There have been many sightings of gigantic or "phantom" cats in England over the past few decades; some described as being like a panther or another great cat and others that are harder to classify and prey on other animals in the various areas that they have been seen in..
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 21, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
Quote from: Ludi on October 21, 2017, 06:27:22 PM
I must admit I am a believer in Bigfoot!   :)

(But not a believer in "Patty," who is a guy in a suit)

No proof of this has ever been established despite decades of rumor and conjecture, in fact, more anthropologists who have studied the film have concluded that no human wearing a suit could have replicated the walk as shown by the figure in the film..
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 07:25:14 AM
Quote from: Memphremagog on October 21, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
There have been many sightings of gigantic or "phantom" cats in England over the past few decades; some described as being like a panther or another great cat and others that are harder to classify and prey on other animals in the various areas that they have been seen in..
My brother swears that he saw a huge cat one night whilst out metal detecting in the countryside. He said it looked like a panther. The theory behind big cats in the UK (as you probably know) is that they are exotic pets that have been released from private menageries after the 'dangerous wild animals act 1976'.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: BRICK on October 22, 2017, 07:28:26 AM
Here is Frank Frazetta's beautiful take on the subject:

(http://imageshack.com/a/img924/3117/Fvs039.jpg)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 22, 2017, 07:30:42 AM
Quote from: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 07:25:14 AM
My brother swears that he saw a huge cat one night whilst out metal detecting in the countryside. He said it looked like a panther. The theory behind big cats in the UK (as you probably know) is that they are exotic pets that have been released from private menageries after the dangerous wild animals act was enforced in the 70s.

I can understand theories behind these sightings, however, it doesnt explain how these creatures are still being sighted decades later. We had a phantom cat sighting around these parts around five years back. It was a black panther(!) caught on film and footprints left, stalking an area just outside the Boston area and this went on for weeks. The animal was never caught and disappeared as suddenly as it entered the area..
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 22, 2017, 07:38:57 AM
Some artwork depicting the Mothman of West Virginia:

Eyewitness sketch:

(http://bh-s2.azureedge.net/bh-uploads/2015/11/Mothman.jpg)

Artist's depiction:

(http://img02.deviantart.net/3179/i/2011/360/9/e/mothman_by_pumpkinhead666-d4kbpsd.jpg)

Various versions based on eyewitness accounts:

(http://www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/thumbnails/mothman-sketches/867811-2-eng-US/Mothman-Sketches.jpg)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on October 22, 2017, 09:39:54 AM
Quote from: Ludi on October 21, 2017, 06:27:22 PM(But not a believer in "Patty," who is a guy in a suit)

Indeed. The advent of casual office dress has made it tough to believe these purported sightings of guys/men in suits.

:-\
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 10:32:16 AM
Quote from: Memphremagog on October 22, 2017, 07:30:42 AM
I can understand theories behind these sightings, however, it doesnt explain how these creatures are still being sighted decades later. We had a phantom cat sighting around these parts around five years back. It was a black panther(!) caught on film and footprints left, stalking an area just outside the Boston area and this went on for weeks. The animal was never caught and disappeared as suddenly as it entered the area..
I think the idea is that they have bred, although I'm not sure how a panther would cope with our winter? Still, there is a steady stream of sightings and some pretty compelling recent photos that suggest there are some big cats lurking around. (Of course, it's debatable wether they qualify as cryptids since most of them are reported as being animals recognised by science!).
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: BRICK on October 22, 2017, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 10:32:16 AM
Still, there is a steady stream of sightings and some pretty compelling recent photos that suggest there are some big cats lurking around. (Of course, it's debatable wether they qualify as cryptids since most of them are reported as being animals recognised by science!).

I guess it depends just how big the cats really are; after all, Thunderbirds cryptids are just dscribed as VERY large birds of prey. I might add that I DO believe in Thunderbirds; my reasoning is because somewhere on earth is the world's largest eagle, vulture etc. Just as if you met Robert Wadlow, you would believe in giants; if you saw one of these birds, you would have no doubt of the existence of Thunderbirds.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: StyreneDude on October 22, 2017, 12:06:43 PM
One of my favorite subjects...I'm a firm believer in Bigfoot since I had my own encounter 35 years ago. I've never seen another one since, but I know for a fact they're out there.

I was helping my dad cut firewood in Rock Creek, Ohio in the fall of 1982.  We were in a densely wooded area alongside some railroad tracks on land owned by my dad's work.  They gave him permission to cut wood there.

He had already cut down several small trees with a chainsaw, and was splitting them into smaller logs which I carried out of the woods and loaded into the back of our truck. On a return trip I saw something move directly in front of me and looked up to see a seven foot apelike creature watching me from behind a tree.

I screamed and ran as fast as I could to my dad. I told him what happened but he pretty much laughed it off and said I probably imagined it. I did not. That encounter has haunted me my whole life.
It fascinates me but also creeps me out knowing these creatures are out there just beyond our reach, watching us.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 12:34:09 PM

I love hearing people's first hand accounts of Bigfoot!

I always liked the scene on Beetlejuice when Barbera Maitland says to Adam "You have a photo of Bigfoot", and he replies "My photo of Bigfoot is a different story". I always wanted to see that photo!
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on October 22, 2017, 01:07:49 PM
Quote from: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 10:32:16 AM...although I'm not sure how a panther would cope with our winter?

English winters? Ffffttttt. Big cats would have no problem whatsoever with the relatively mild English winters. Snow leopards, Siberian tigers and Canadian cougars deal easily with far harsher winter weather conditions.

cl:)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 22, 2017, 02:17:23 PM
Quote from: StyreneDude on October 22, 2017, 12:06:43 PM
One of my favorite subjects...I'm a firm believer in Bigfoot since I had my own encounter 35 years ago. I've never seen another one since, but I know for a fact they're out there.

I was helping my dad cut firewood in Rock Creek, Ohio in the fall of 1982.  We were in a densely wooded area alongside some railroad tracks on land owned by my dad's work.  They gave him permission to cut wood there.

He had already cut down several small trees with a chainsaw, and was splitting them into smaller logs which I carried out of the woods and loaded into the back of our truck. On a return trip I saw something move directly in front of me and looked up to see a seven foot apelike creature watching me from behind a tree.

I screamed and ran as fast as I could to my dad. I told him what happened but he pretty much laughed it off and said I probably imagined it. I did not. That encounter has haunted me my whole life.
It fascinates me but also creeps me out knowing these creatures are out there just beyond our reach, watching us.

I love hearing about firsthand encounters like this; there have been far too many people in this country(not to mention, worldwide) who have had experiences such as this with some kind of primitive humanoid..not all of these are hoaxes, misidentifications of known animals or hallucinations. People are seeing and encountering something in the woods out there..
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
Quote from: Hepcat on October 22, 2017, 01:07:49 PM
English winters? Ffffttttt. Big cats would have no problem whatsoever withy the relatively mild English winters. Snow leopards, Siberian tigers and Canadian cougars deal easily with far harsher winter weather conditions.

(http://www.lonepinephoto.ca/image/24827/EASTERN_COUGAR_IN_WINTER_MASSEY.jpg)

cl:)

I know some cats can easily survive in freezing climates, buy would all big cats thrive and more importantly breed in colder climates? Would a lion for instance, normally found in hot regions like North Africa happily breed in a relatively cold climate like England? I suppose so, but it always struck me as absurd that a big cat normally associated with the searing heat of the sahara could happily settle and breed in the boggy moors of Yorkshire!
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Remco Wolfman on October 22, 2017, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
I know some cats can easily survive in freezing climates, buy would all big cats thrive and more importantly breed in colder climates? Would a lion for instance, normally found in hot regions like North Africa happily breed in a relatively cold climate like England? I suppose so, but it always struck me as absurd that a big cat normally associated with the searing heat of the sahara could happily settle and breed in the boggy moors of Yorkshire!

I can speak fairly authoritatively on this topic. Something like a jaguar (coloration can be spotted or a dark black pigment) could probably/maybe survive in a climate like The UK or in the US maybe Virginia. Their historical native habitat runs from the very southern tip of Brazil to Arizona, Texas and other Southern US states. Every now and then they still make their way into the continental US. Some parts of the territory mentioned above actually get quite cold and even has snowfall in winter months.

Could a Bengal tiger or lion survive in that type of climate. Maybe. Not thrive, but survive is possible.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Ludi on October 22, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
Quote from: Memphremagog on October 21, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
No proof of this has ever been established despite decades of rumor and conjecture, in fact, more anthropologists who have studied the film have concluded that no human wearing a suit could have replicated the walk as shown by the figure in the film..

Nonsense.  I have made fake animals and creatures for showbiz for 30 years, and I say it is a guy in a suit.

Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 22, 2017, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: Ludi on October 22, 2017, 06:20:54 PM
Nonsense.  I have made fake animals and creatures for showbiz for 30 years, and I say it is a guy in a suit.

It isnt nonsense when biologists and anthropologists have done study after study and proved that it cant be duplicated. I'm sure your credentials are no better than theirs,no offense..you can say what you like but you have nothing to prove it other than your opinion.  The studies and experiments outweigh that, I'm afraid. 50 years ago when the footage was taken, there was NO existing technology in special effects anywhere that could have produced this so-called suit, despite the third party claims(all of which have been disproven) to the contrary. You may have been making creatures for 30 years but I'm sure you could not duplicate this. Many have tried and not one single experiment by guys with suits has succeeded yet. The motion of the musculature and gait does not lend credence to any guy in a suit.  I'm sure that if it was truly a suit, with today's technology, it could have been duplicated and probably improved upon. Yet another reason why this does not hold water as it hasnt been done. You cant improve on nature with some character costume, no matter who designed it.  The laws of physics that were applied in trying to recreate the footage in a suit just dont hold water upon scrutiny.

Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 11:35:56 PM
Quote from: Remco Wolfman on October 22, 2017, 05:26:48 PM
I can speak fairly authoritatively on this topic. Something like a jaguar (coloration can be spotted or a dark black pigment) could probably/maybe survive in a climate like The UK or in the US maybe Virginia. Their historical native habitat runs from the very southern tip of Brazil to Arizona, Texas and other Southern US states. Every now and then they still make their way into the continental US. Some parts of the territory mentioned above actually get quite cold and even has snowfall in winter months.

Could a Bengal tiger or lion survive in that type of climate. Maybe. Not thrive, but survive is possible.
Cheers Remco Wolfman!
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on October 23, 2017, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 02:43:44 PMI know some cats can easily survive in freezing climates, buy would all big cats thrive and more importantly breed in colder climates? Would a lion for instance, normally found in hot regions like North Africa happily breed in a relatively cold climate like England? I suppose so, but it always struck me as absurd that a big cat normally associated with the searing heat of the sahara could happily settle and breed in the boggy moors of Yorkshire!

Actually lions in particular do quite well in more temperate climates. They could still be found in Greece and southeastern Europe in Roman times, and they absolutely thrive and breed vigorously in North American parks such as African Lion Safari here in southwestern Ontario:

African Lion Safari (http://www.lionsafari.com/home)

I believe that jaguars, leopards and cheetahs could/would quickly adapt to colder climates as well but admittedly I can't say I'm sure of this.

:-\
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on October 23, 2017, 12:32:12 PM
The Amur leopard is another big cat that does quite well in sub-Arctic environments:

(https://i1.wp.com/visitcryptoville.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/amur-leopard-in-snow.jpg)

:-\
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 23, 2017, 01:09:18 PM
Quote from: Hepcat on October 23, 2017, 12:32:12 PM
The Amur leopard is another big cat that does quite well in sub-Arctic environments:

(https://i1.wp.com/visitcryptoville.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/amur-leopard-in-snow.jpg)

:-\

My favourite big cat is the jaguar. Such an awesome beast.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on October 23, 2017, 01:34:34 PM
At 1500 pounds per square inch, jaguars have far and away the most bite strength of any big cat and their bite strength is behind that of only Nile crocodiles, saltwater crocodiles, American alligators and hippos (and ahead of sharks!). Jaguars use their bite strength to bite through to the brain cases of the crocodiles they hunt:

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JnUFharRPro/maxresdefault.jpg)

8)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 23, 2017, 01:44:29 PM

I rest my case!  8)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on October 23, 2017, 02:40:12 PM
Some sumptuous illustrations from 'The Spine Chilling Book of Monsters', which includes several chapters on various cryptids. This book was a favourite of mine as a kid, along with it's companion book 'The Spine Chilling Book of Horror'.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171023/e61f65c6eaa631a8381327eaffc4dba4.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171023/7ac61545d75db2570dcc6a622958241f.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171023/c8dd45d8e06fa575e98f7f21f1ac0985.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171023/94b2d4151831b036fa452030ecc3ecd1.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171023/b2ffb8e4e8f805890d7644fa69a12162.jpg)



Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Remco Wolfman on October 24, 2017, 11:51:06 AM
I picked the book "Monster Hunt: The Guide to Cryptozoology" up on clearance at Barnes & Noble a few years ago. It's a pretty awesome book:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4472/37872223682_acac72295f_b.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/37872222982_18252af67c_b.jpg)

It breaks up cryptids by continent:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4498/37193528284_30e4573749_b.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4490/37854690856_546ea40ebe_b.jpg)

And then by Cryptid located on that continent with between a couple and several pages on each creature:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4445/37645879900_bac03e8df8_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 24, 2017, 01:45:43 PM
Eyewitness sketch of the Dover Demon in 1977 at Dover, MA.

(http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/museum/Dover_demon.jpg)
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Post by: Memphremagog on October 24, 2017, 04:59:37 PM
Artist's depiction of the Lizard Man of Scape Ore Swamp, South Carolina.

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/6e/59/d2/6e59d2cad4a646ad2d2f8198537d2dbd.jpg)
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Post by: Memphremagog on October 24, 2017, 05:05:10 PM
Alleged photograph of a Wisconsin Werewolf or Michigan Dogman(aka bipedal humanoid canines)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Pn31wz5pAqc/UJLIH3ahkVI/AAAAAAABH9A/Wyv1TKv6y1c/s1600/20z9u8x.jpg)
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Post by: Hepcat on October 25, 2017, 03:49:30 PM
Quote from: long live kong on October 22, 2017, 07:25:14 AMThe theory behind big cats in the UK (as you probably know) is that they are exotic pets that have been released from private menageries after the 'dangerous wild animals act 1976'.

Unfortunately the Florida Everglades are now home to untold anacondas and Burmese pythons as a result of idiots who were keeping these constrictors as pets deciding to release these snakes into the wild when they grew to an overly cumbersome and unmanageable size.

>:(
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Post by: long live kong on October 25, 2017, 04:20:32 PM
Quote from: Hepcat on October 25, 2017, 03:49:30 PM
Unfortunately the Florida Everglades are now home to untold anacondas and Burmese pythons as a result of idiots who were keeping these constrictors as pets deciding to release these snakes into the wild when they grew to an overly cumbersome and unmanageable size.

>:(
Which brings us to another cryptid/urban myth...Aligators lurking in sewers!


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171025/5a9fa2ca175b08484384ed49ce52e4b2.jpg)



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Post by: Sean on October 25, 2017, 05:52:47 PM
Quote from: Memphremagog on October 17, 2017, 04:08:38 PM
This Friday, October 20, 2017, will be the 50th anniversary of this film footage and photos:

(http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/patterson_bigfoot_lg.jpg)

The Patterson/Gimlin film was taken on October, 20,1967 and has been hotly debated for decades as to whether or not it is evidence that Sasquatch exists..despite the many naysayers over the years, no one has ever been able to debunk the footage as a hoax.

True story.  My wife and I Honeymooned in the Great Northwest in 2003.  We trekked from San Francisco to Seattle over the course of 1 week before taking an Alaskan cruise for another week.  It was near dusk 1 day when we were driving from Northern California to Oregon and were in a low lying area when I felt compelled to get out of the car and walk around.  I wandered some distance from the car and looked around.  I got spooked.  The hair on the back of by neck stood up and I quickly walked back to the car.  I noted our location and when we got got home some 10-12 days later, I looked it up and realized I was in the area that the famous film was captured. 
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Post by: Sean on October 25, 2017, 06:05:46 PM
Quote from: Memphremagog on October 24, 2017, 05:05:10 PM
Alleged photograph of a Wisconsin Werewolf or Michigan Dogman(aka bipedal humanoid canines)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Pn31wz5pAqc/UJLIH3ahkVI/AAAAAAABH9A/Wyv1TKv6y1c/s1600/20z9u8x.jpg)

Looks like the werewolf on a cover of Creepy magazine.

(http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/creepy/4-1.jpg)
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Post by: Remco Wolfman on October 27, 2017, 11:25:02 AM
When I was in elementary school the orange Crestwood House Monster books were by far my most frequent checkout from the school library. I recently came across (and purchased) these "Search for the Unknown" Crestwood House books also written by Ian Thorne.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4495/37872221772_2fbb4a56e2_c.jpg)

The series also includes books on things like the Bermuda Triangle, UFO's,  and a few others. They have photo's and accounts and drawings. Pretty cool photo's and stories.
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4450/24051230718_c45d09384a_c.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4474/37872213902_437e4be758_c.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4479/37872215532_c6fbea404e_c.jpg)
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4452/37645881180_cc229af851_c.jpg)


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Post by: Memphremagog on October 27, 2017, 11:59:29 AM
I checked those same books out of my local library back in the '70's..loved reading them after school and on weekends.

The one book on cryptids that I read multiple times cover to cover and purchased  back in 1975 ,was this one:

(http://www.hembeck.com/Images/FredSez/MothmanCover250.jpg)

I still have that paperback after all these years..
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Post by: long live kong on October 27, 2017, 01:11:03 PM

Love that Loch Ness Monster book cover. I have family in Scotland, and although I've never visited Loch Ness, I did spend a week camping at nearby Loch Lomond. I remember going for a dip one afternoon and feeling very uneasy as the water got deeper, even though I personally don't believe there's anything bigger than a pike lurking in Loch Ness, nevermind Loch Lomond!
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Post by: Sean on October 29, 2017, 01:12:29 PM
We used to have the "Book Mobile" come to my elementary school in the 70s.  I made this book 1 of my purchases.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRwfC3gqrWUZiy0qp7CFN61K6si4hLdIp0z4ghqiMB-a0z7-sfnNA)
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Post by: Memphremagog on November 07, 2017, 03:41:06 PM
Nice artist conception of the Mothman:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/cryptidz/images/6/6b/Mothman-Cathy-Wilkins.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150822044001)
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Post by: AlwaysWitty on November 08, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
If anyone's interested, I've actually seen the Mothman. Saw it when I was 13, the night before my house burned down back in February 2004. And no, I don't live in West Virginia. Funny thing, based on where I live you'd think Champy would be the most likely cryptid for me to catch a glimpse of, but nope. No, I saw the Mothman. :P
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Post by: Scatter on November 08, 2017, 07:29:24 PM
Quote from: Memphremagog on October 22, 2017, 06:41:02 PM
It isnt nonsense when biologists and anthropologists have done study after study and proved that it cant be duplicated. I'm sure your credentials are no better than theirs,no offense..you can say what you like but you have nothing to prove it other than your opinion.  The studies and experiments outweigh that, I'm afraid. 50 years ago when the footage was taken, there was NO existing technology in special effects anywhere that could have produced this so-called suit, despite the third party claims(all of which have been disproven) to the contrary. You may have been making creatures for 30 years but I'm sure you could not duplicate this. Many have tried and not one single experiment by guys with suits has succeeded yet. The motion of the musculature and gait does not lend credence to any guy in a suit.  I'm sure that if it was truly a suit, with today's technology, it could have been duplicated and probably improved upon. Yet another reason why this does not hold water as it hasnt been done. You cant improve on nature with some character costume, no matter who designed it.  The laws of physics that were applied in trying to recreate the footage in a suit just dont hold water upon scrutiny.

This
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Post by: Kidagain on November 08, 2017, 08:05:26 PM
Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
If anyone's interested, I've actually seen the Mothman. Saw it when I was 13, the night before my house burned down back in February 2004. And no, I don't live in West Virginia. Funny thing, based on where I live you'd think Champy would be the most likely cryptid for me to catch a glimpse of, but nope. No, I saw the Mothman. :P
Sorry to hear about your house BBW but how cool is it that you saw the Mothman!
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Post by: AlwaysWitty on November 08, 2017, 08:53:34 PM
Quote from: Kidagain on November 08, 2017, 08:05:26 PM
Sorry to hear about your house BBW but how cool is it that you saw the Mothman!
Well, it may have saved my life, so I'd say that's pretty cool. And luckily my collection of Godzilla movies on VHS were safe and sound in the end!
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Post by: long live kong on November 09, 2017, 06:11:52 AM
Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
No, I saw the Mothman. :P

Tell us more BBW!
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Post by: Memphremagog on November 09, 2017, 12:45:18 PM
Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2017, 07:05:26 PM
If anyone's interested, I've actually seen the Mothman. Saw it when I was 13, the night before my house burned down back in February 2004. And no, I don't live in West Virginia. Funny thing, based on where I live you'd think Champy would be the most likely cryptid for me to catch a glimpse of, but nope. No, I saw the Mothman. :P

Really? That's something I would like to hear about.. :)
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Post by: Memphremagog on November 09, 2017, 01:08:58 PM
Wanted poster seeking the capture of the Jersey Devil after it supposedly rampaged through the Pine Barrens area of New Jersey circa 1887:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-G5KMvY-1VbY/UWuhqzWmLEI/AAAAAAAAA7c/Zkx0ZHy4m1E/s1600/Jersey+Devil+7.jpg)
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Post by: AlwaysWitty on November 09, 2017, 01:26:19 PM
It wasn't long after my birthday actually. Maybe a week or two. It was late, but I was wide awake watching TV in my room. I heard a noise outside and caught movement in the corner of my eye, out the window. I got up and went to the window and there it was.

It was doing the Spider-Man crouch, perched on a tree branch in the back yard. This is a tree that my sister and I and the neighbor's kids all used to play on together so I have a pretty good sense of scale about it, and this thing was easily bigger than a person, though it clearly had a somewhat humanoid shape.

A car drove by out in front, and for a moment the headlights illuminated its huge reflective red eyes. I remember thinking they were like reflectors on a bicycle. Afterward I tried to rationalize it that for some reason there was a bike in the tree and I just imagined the rest, but that didn't explain how once the car drove by it got spooked and lept from the branch, taking off with those massive wings and flying away.

I didn't get a whole lot of sleep that night. Even at 13 years old I knew better than to tell anybody about it or they wouldn't believe me. By then I was already on my journey to becoming the horror fan I am today, so I knew how that would go. The next morning, my grandma asked me if I wanted to go with her to the family headquarters (her mom's house, where a few of her siblings also lived and some of my cousins). Too scared to stay home, I went with her.

While I was at the family HQ later that evening (it was typical for us to stay all day like that sometimes), just chilling in my cousin's room watching TV in the dark, my cousins burst in and yelled, "Your house is on fire!" Sure enough, that night my house burned down.

Later on, some time in the next couple days, I found out some things. My grandpa came home to discover the fire had started after leaving to go to a local spring for water. Since he left and no one else was home, our two dogs were tied outside in the yard. But he wouldn't have left if I'd been home that day. So because I left to visit my cousins, my grandpa got bored and left, and he tied our dogs outside.

In other words, because I saw the Mothman, I wasn't in the house when the fire started. Nor was my grandpa, or our dogs.

I didn't know the Mothman was a famous cryptid until later. Me always being on the lookout for cool scary movies, another relative recommended The Mothman Prophecies. I always like to read up on the internet about things that interest me, so I got online to check it out. That's when I realized that what I saw was not a dream, or something I imagined in my head. I knew I'd seen the Mothman.

Now, the fire was caused by a really old, janky circuit breaker box in the basement that the electrician we hired had procrastinated on actually fixing or replacing. For all I know, if we had been home, we might have caught the fire and stopped it from burning the whole house down. Or maybe we would have all died. I don't know. I know some people think the Mothman actually causes disasters, too.

I prefer the less cynical option. I prefer to think that the Mothman was warning me, and in doing so it saved my life. I don't know if it's an angel, or an alien, or some other weird thing we can't comprehend yet. But I know it's out there. I've seen it.
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Post by: Kidagain on November 09, 2017, 01:43:10 PM
Thanks for the story BBW, I seem to recall that the Mothman appears before something tragic happens.
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Post by: AlwaysWitty on November 09, 2017, 02:44:56 PM
Quote from: Kidagain on November 09, 2017, 01:43:10 PM
Thanks for the story BBW, I seem to recall that the Mothman appears before something tragic happens.
Based on my research that seems to be the case. It's hard to tell what's truth, what's just superstition, and what's completely fiction, but I've heard stories that it's been sighted before all kinds of tragedies and accidents. Why this is, I can't even begin to hypothesize.
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Post by: Count Zero on November 09, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
i saw a shadow man when i was 8 years old living up in CT

it looks a lot like this sketch i pulled from a google search:

(https://i.imgflip.com/1z3ql4.jpg)

i awoke in the middle of the night - not sure what time. i got out of my bed & walked down the hallway into the living room...from there i turned the corner into the kitchen to find this this shadow against the far wall directly across from me.

i froze for a moment & then turned tail back to my bed. i hid under the covers petrified until i eventually fell asleep.

i had forgotten all about it up until about a decade ago. an episode of coast to coast jogged my memory.
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Post by: Memphremagog on November 09, 2017, 04:27:20 PM
It's interesting that you should depict the apparition that you saw as wearing a hat as these days the shadow people are sometimes divided into two catagories: one being the shadow person, the other being called Hat Man, Apparently the shadow being wearing a hat has been seen hundreds of times by witnesses who basically all give the same description of him, except sometimes he sports red, glowing eyes. Creepy, to say the least. :o
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on November 09, 2017, 07:49:08 PM
Quote from: Count Zero on November 09, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
i saw a shadow man when i was 8 years old living up in CT

it looks a lot like this sketch i pulled from a google search:

(https://i.imgflip.com/1z3ql4.jpg)

i awoke in the middle of the night - not sure what time. i got out of my bed & walked down the hallway into the living room...from there i turned the corner into the kitchen to find this this shadow against the far wall directly across from me.

i froze for a moment & then turned tail back to my bed. i hid under the covers petrified until i eventually fell asleep.

i had forgotten all about it up until about a decade ago. an episode of coast to coast jogged my memory.

I had a very similar experience once when I was in my early twenties. I awoke to see a 'shadow' of a man sitting at the end of my bed. I definitely wasn't dreaming, I was wide awake and hadn't been drinking. The room was quite dark but the shape of the figure was clearly defined. He was actually crouched as if sat on the end of my bed and looking down towards my bedroom wall, then it actually moved and appeared to look right at me. I kind of cringed with fright then and it seemed to just fade out. I'm not saying it was a ghost, it could have simply been a very vivid hallucination but it happened exactly as described.
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Post by: AlwaysWitty on November 10, 2017, 12:15:20 AM
Funny thing, I saw it too once. I always chalked it up to a ghost for a while, but I'm pretty sure it was a hallucination. Under sleep deprivation I've seen some really weird things. I once lied there in bed terrified that goofy retro robots were going to attack me, complete with flashing lightbulb eyes and accordion arms and everything. One time I thought there was a goblin sitting in my chair.

Until I saw The Mothman Prophecies I honestly worried that that's what that was. But then I thought about it, and realized...I got up from my bed and looked out the window, you know? No way I dreamed that.

But the shadow figure in the black suit? I might have dreamed that. Or not. I don't know. Sometimes I like to use "ghost" the same way I use "UFO". Perhaps I should call it an "Unidentified Humanoid Apparition" instead? A UHA? :P
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Post by: Memphremagog on November 11, 2017, 09:11:01 AM
Dubious photo purportedly showing the Goatman of Maryland in woods near Washington DC.

(http://www.cultofweird.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/maryland-goatman-photo.jpg)
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Post by: Memphremagog on November 15, 2017, 11:02:18 AM
http://youtu.be/6vm2CR2W6Iw (http://youtu.be/6vm2CR2W6Iw)

Interesting video showing footage of some familiar cryptids, although the vampire one is very dubious..
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Post by: Scatter on November 16, 2017, 09:13:54 PM
Yeah..... the fact that a video of a vampire made in the last decade isn't sparkling makes me suspicious
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Post by: Memphremagog on November 18, 2017, 03:44:00 AM
The fact that is looks a lot like video editing made me suspicious.
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Post by: Memphremagog on November 28, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Eyewitness drawing of the Flatwoods Monster, a being supposedly deposited after a UFO sighting in Flatwoods, West Virginia on September 12,1952

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/cryptidz/images/d/d2/The-Flatwoods-Monster.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110109192031)
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Post by: Memphremagog on December 17, 2017, 09:12:37 AM
A look at the cryptid action figure set from a few years back, featuring Sasquatch, the Mothman, Nessie, the Jersey Devil and the Chupacabra:

(http://www.roadsideresort.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/blog_inline/Crypto_Figures.jpg)
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Post by: Memphremagog on December 19, 2017, 06:04:37 PM
New book released this month chronicling new Mothman encounters and theories:

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51vbifbELQL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
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Post by: Drew Bludd on January 06, 2018, 11:53:53 AM
I once saw a cryptid.

I used to deliver newspapers and I could do my route any time between midnight and 6am.

One night (after the bars let out :( :o :-X ), my roommate and I started delivering around 3 in the morning.
In a nice, woodsy residential area with lots of houses but also a fair amount of trees and wildlife WE SAW IT


What can only be described as a llama or alpaca but with long, woolly, black hair running from one back yard, across the road, in front of my car, into another yard and disappeared into the woods.

NOW, I am willing to believe that maybe that thing escaped from a nearby alpaca farm but I never saw one with LONG dark hair and certainly never at 3 in the morning in a residential area.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on January 06, 2018, 05:20:13 PM
Quote from: Drew Bludd on January 06, 2018, 11:53:53 AM
I once saw a cryptid.

I used to deliver newspapers and I could do my route any time between midnight and 6am.

One night (after the bars let out :( :o :-X ), my roommate and I started delivering around 3 in the morning.
In a nice, woodsy residential area with lots of houses but also a fair amount of trees and wildlife WE SAW IT


What can only be described as a llama or alpaca but with long, woolly, black hair running from one back yard, across the road, in front of my car, into another yard and disappeared into the woods.

NOW, I am willing to believe that maybe that thing escaped from a nearby alpaca farm but I never saw one with LONG dark hair and certainly never at 3 in the morning in a residential area.

Whoa! I can just imagine you and your friend looking at each other - "did we just see a were-alpaca??!!" Very cool story!

I remember driving home from a weekend away once with my girlfriend and she suddenly jumped in her seat and swore that she saw what looked like a lemur or long tailed monkey clinging to a tree, which considering we were in Lincolnshire England was pretty far fetched! But she was sure she saw what she saw!
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Post by: Memphremagog on February 18, 2018, 08:17:04 PM
Mothman sightings began in 2017 in the Chicago area, they are said to be still continuing into 2018...


These are some of the locations of the sightings from last year:

(https://lightgateblogger.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/2017-09-11_8-20-58.png?w=600)
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Post by: Hepcat on February 19, 2018, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: Drew Bludd on January 06, 2018, 11:53:53 AMI used to deliver newspapers and I could do my route any time between midnight and 6am.

What can only be described as a llama or alpaca but with long, woolly, black hair running from one back yard, across the road, in front of my car....

Car?!!! What kind of newspaper boy uses a car on his paper route?

:o

Newspaper boys are supposed to use their bikes to deliver papers!

C:)

Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: long live kong on March 07, 2018, 02:36:18 PM
Quote from: Hepcat on February 19, 2018, 10:12:51 AM
Car?!!! What kind of newspaper boy uses a car on his paper route?

:o

Newspaper boys are supposed to use their bikes to deliver papers!

C:)

;D
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Post by: Hepcat on March 08, 2018, 01:06:33 PM
The first recorded sighting of Bessie in Lake Erie occurred in 1793 and have continued to re-occur fairly frequently but at random intervals ever since. Most of these sightings have occurred in the western basin of the lake close to the U.S. side.

(https://cdn.patchcdn.com/users/428568/2011/05/T800x600/5f9d0c6f64da2f8c95f89aff1a07de94.jpg)

Reported to be between 20 and 60 feet in length, Bessie is likely to be nothing other than a family of plesiosaurs.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/cryptidz/images/8/88/Sauro.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120405143651)

Lake Erie would be a particularly prospective environment for plesiosaurs since as both the southernmost and shallowest Great Lake, it's particularly nutrient rich and therefore hosts an abundance of fish life. (Lake Erie in fact supports a thriving commercial perch fishery from ports such as Port Dover and Port Stanley.) There would therefore be more than enough fish life in Lake Erie to support a colony of plesiosaurs. And of course nothing would prevent individuals of the species during the summer months from ranging north up the Detroit River into Lake St. Clair and then the enormous Lake Huron-Lake Michigan watershed.

The Cleveland Monsters of the American Hockey League got their inspiration from Bessie:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e6/Cleveland_Monsters_logo.svg/1200px-Cleveland_Monsters_logo.svg.png)

:)


Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on March 13, 2018, 08:30:13 AM
Here's a video dealing with Bessie of Lake Erie:

Bessie - Creative Crypto (https://youtu.be/yPwGrtXJSmI)

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Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on March 19, 2018, 02:51:32 PM
Here's another video clip about Bessie:

Bessie - Connect Paranormal (https://youtu.be/lZhNnsw5zsc)

cl:)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on April 19, 2018, 11:07:14 AM
The Western Interior Seaway, also known as the Cretaceous Seaway and the North American Inland Sea, was a large inland sea that existed from about 100 million years to 65 million years ago during the mid to late Cretaceous period. The Western Interior Seaway thus acted to split the continent of North America into the Laramidia landmass to the west and the Appalachia landmass to the east:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/Cretaceous_seaway_zpsoynxqr87.png)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/Cretaceous%202_zps3csnxz1g.png)

The Western Interior Seaway did of course teem with various fish and reptiles including vicious flesh-eating dinosaurs such as the tylosaurs pictured below:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/Tylosaurus-dinosaurs-22233445-500-335_zpsqgokkbc2.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/tylosaurus.adapt.945.1_zpsbcmwis1v.jpg)

By the end of the last Ice Age the Western Interior Seaway had shrunk down to Lake Agassiz which covered an area centering on Manitoba approximately 13,000 to 8200 years ago:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/lake_agassiz_zps29jy8339.jpg)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/lake-aggassiz2_zpswqthhgnb.jpg)

The retreat of the Wisconsin ice sheet enabled Lake Agassiz to drain into Hudson Bay leaving remnants such as Lake Winnipeg, Lake Winnipegosis, Lake Manitoba and Lake of the Woods:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/Manitoba-Map-Regional-Political-Province_zpsxwpudlxh.gif)

A rather sizable vestige population of tylosaurs though continues to survive in Lake Winnipeg and perhaps Cedar Lake as well:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/manipogoheader_zpse2pdyhte.gif)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/General%20Album%203001/manipogo_by_daizua123-dauumg9_zpsfbprlfle.png)

Sightings of Manipogo (as these tylosaurs are now known) are common. Manipogo is in fact much beloved by the people of Manitoba. Local residents are therefore understandably highly protective of their own local "sea monster" despite the occasional hysterical tourist demanding that something be done about the loss of her husband, child, dog, etc. Manipogo too needs to eat of course.

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Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on April 24, 2018, 02:00:24 PM
Here's a good scholarly video investigating the Manipogo phenomenon:

Manipogo (https://youtu.be/mOTeiIkPod8)

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Post by: Memphremagog on May 28, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
News articles regarding the initial Mothman sightings of 1966

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bldftVYjyTw/TJ_G8mr3lJI/AAAAAAAADDQ/YFUUKbpza3Y/s1600/News_Article1.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/08/f9/69/08f969b1edfdafa45b8f2d5f64dbf284.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0a/55/7b/0a557bf4f94c8b5829ead40bf100249a--mothman-marie-curie.jpg)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on August 24, 2018, 05:40:01 PM
Loch Ness monster seemingly photographed in sighting from last Friday(August 17,2018)

http://youtu.be/tEx7LOiToEk (http://youtu.be/tEx7LOiToEk)

This was at least the third sighting in the past few months...
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on August 25, 2018, 10:45:37 AM
Quote from: Memphremagog on May 28, 2018, 05:07:23 PMNews articles regarding the initial Mothman sightings of 1966

Red-eyed thing?

???

Probably just an over-refreshed local rummy.

;)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on September 04, 2018, 07:30:49 PM
Yet another strange sighting from the UK in the past month:

http://youtu.be/yt_GHw3_SgU (http://youtu.be/yt_GHw3_SgU)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on September 12, 2018, 08:39:16 AM
To dispel rumours that he(they?) are past their best-before date and are slowing down, Ogopogo surfaced to strut his stuff yesterday:

Ogopogo Surfaces! (http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/%e2%80%9cit-was-like-a-giant-snake%e2%80%9d-kelowna-man-captures-possible-video-of-ogopogo/ar-BBNd9sV?ocid=ientp)

You clearly can't keep a good plesiosaur down for long. (Many paleontologists though contend that Ogopogo is rather a remnant of the tylosaur species.)

Evidently Ogopogo was just frolicking in the sun as there were no reports of missing persons or pets in the Lake Okanagan area yesterday.

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Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on September 12, 2018, 08:53:10 AM
Quote from: Memphremagog on September 04, 2018, 07:30:49 PMYet another strange sighting from the UK in the past month:

Yeah, them royals they have over there are indeed strange. And frequently photographed, but don't ask me why....

???
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on October 05, 2018, 08:49:27 AM
Latest Ogopogo sighting from five days ago:

http://youtu.be/mMS0Q8U8X7A (http://youtu.be/mMS0Q8U8X7A)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on October 25, 2018, 09:31:06 AM
The local authorities are quite protective of the tourist trade. They are therefore careful to keep very quiet about the annual toll of victims taken by Ogopogo. While tourists are eager to visit and see the waters in which Ogopogo lurks, typically they also like to return to tell the tale to friends and neighbours.

(https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/fraserriverkeeper/pages/878/meta_images/original/ogopogo.jpg?1603492987)

:-\

Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on December 19, 2018, 07:22:57 PM
Latest Nessie sighting Dec.13,2018:

http://youtu.be/DTpu_agBwic (http://youtu.be/DTpu_agBwic)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on January 28, 2019, 10:38:52 AM
Here's a rare account from a person who saw Champ but lived to tell the tale:

The Haunted Sea (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/monsterxradio/2018/07/25/the-haunted-sea-with-scott-mardis--champ-eyewitness-william-billado-jr)

cl:)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on April 03, 2019, 08:35:23 AM
Here's a skeleton of one of Manipogo's ancestors that was found in 1974 near Morden, Manitoba in a farmer's field that was only a few thousand years ago at the bottom of Lake Agassiz:

(https://i.cbc.ca/1.2707287.1527970600!/cpImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/bruce-the-mosasaur.jpg)

I'd venture to say Grandfather Manipogo looked a lot more vigorous when still alive.

Manipogo - CBC News (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/lake-monster-manipogo-winnipogo-1.4681105)

cl:)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on April 08, 2019, 02:13:55 PM
Ogopogo sightings including one from 9 February 2019 are detailed on this excellent website:

Does Ogopogo (Still) Exist? (https://ogopogoquest.com/sightings.php)

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Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Akmodan1138 on May 09, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
Here's a cryptid story you fellows  may enjoy. Please bear in mind I did not witness it myself, it was told to me by someone who did.
A few years ago, at a friend's house one night; he pulls me aside and asks if I've ever heard any stories about "local" bigfoot-type creatures (I live in southeastern KY). I told him sure, that I remembered hearing stories in my childhood about a local cryptid simply called the "Hollerin' Thang"; a sasquatch-like beast that supposedly shrieks like a bobcat or something. My friend then told me this story:

He and a friend were at a local concert one night. The friend did not have a ride him. My friend offered to take him home. He lived in a rural area; about forty-five minutes from the town the concert was in. On the way, not too far from where the friend lived; they come around a curve in the highway and there's something in the road. My friend stops his truck and turns his flashers on. To him, it looked like a piece of tree or large Bush had slid off the hillside into the road; and he wanted to move it out of the way so it wouldn't cause an accident or some such. He opens his truck door and his half way out of the truck when he said the "bush" just stooood up (he exaggerated the pronunciation of the word stood to express  the thing's unusual height). He said its eyes reflected red in the headlights. He said its fur, hair or whatever looked like mottled treebark; as if it was mossy or something. He said it stood perfectly motionless. He said with its coloration and complete lack of movement; you could have walked past it a hundred times in the woods and not see it. He said he froze; not really terrified as by the time he rationalized what was going on it was all over. Standing roughly on the yellow line according to him; it stepped off the road in one step; disappearing into a dark meadow on the passenger side of the truck. After telling me this story, my friend admitted he really hoped it was some crazy-tall lunatic in a ghillie suit; out there pranking or whatever. But he said the way it moved and the distance it covered in one step; he doesn't truly think so. He told me he doesn't believe in things like sasquatch; but he didn't know what else to call it.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on May 27, 2019, 12:49:48 PM
Quote from: Akmodan1138 on May 09, 2019, 01:42:30 PM
Here's a cryptid story you fellows  may enjoy. Please bear in mind I did not witness it myself, it was told to me by someone who did.
A few years ago, at a friend's house one night; he pulls me aside and asks if I've ever heard any stories about "local" bigfoot-type creatures (I live in southeastern KY). I told him sure, that I remembered hearing stories in my childhood about a local cryptid simply called the "Hollerin' Thang"; a sasquatch-like beast that supposedly shrieks like a bobcat or something. My friend then told me this story:

He and a friend were at a local concert one night. The friend did not have a ride him. My friend offered to take him home. He lived in a rural area; about forty-five minutes from the town the concert was in. On the way, not too far from where the friend lived; they come around a curve in the highway and there's something in the road. My friend stops his truck and turns his flashers on. To him, it looked like a piece of tree or large Bush had slid off the hillside into the road; and he wanted to move it out of the way so it wouldn't cause an accident or some such. He opens his truck door and his half way out of the truck when he said the "bush" just stooood up (he exaggerated the pronunciation of the word stood to express  the thing's unusual height). He said its eyes reflected red in the headlights. He said its fur, hair or whatever looked like mottled treebark; as if it was mossy or something. He said it stood perfectly motionless. He said with its coloration and complete lack of movement; you could have walked past it a hundred times in the woods and not see it. He said he froze; not really terrified as by the time he rationalized what was going on it was all over. Standing roughly on the yellow line according to him; it stepped off the road in one step; disappearing into a dark meadow on the passenger side of the truck. After telling me this story, my friend admitted he really hoped it was some crazy-tall lunatic in a ghillie suit; out there pranking or whatever. But he said the way it moved and the distance it covered in one step; he doesn't truly think so. He told me he doesn't believe in things like sasquatch; but he didn't know what else to call it.

Great story! These are the kind of sightings that everyday folks seem to have all over the country. People certainly are seeing something and not all of them are cranks or lying.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on May 27, 2019, 01:02:59 PM
Here's a good documentary devoted to Champ:

On the Trail of Champ - Episode 1 (https://youtu.be/lNCHcG3zUB8)

On the Trail of Champ - Episode 2 (https://youtu.be/hjvKkHGuuAs)

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Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on May 27, 2019, 05:41:47 PM
The Legend Of the Beast Of Bray Road: An American Werewolf?

http://youtu.be/351sbXxUYBc (http://youtu.be/351sbXxUYBc)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: fearliath on May 28, 2019, 11:45:55 PM
My parents just got back from Scotland. They weren't keen on going to Loch Ness. They were in the area and I convinced them it would be silly not to. Nessie is objectively the 9th Wonder of the World just after Bigfoot and just ahead of a Yeti right? (if you believe Yeti's and Bigfoot are not one and the same)Turns out the museum was amazing and they loved it.
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on May 29, 2019, 09:16:28 AM
(https://www.science-rumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/10-Evidences-Proof-the-Mokele-Mbembe-Still-Alive.jpg)

Mokele Mbembe!

A Real Life Living Dinosaur Living in the Congo? (https://youtu.be/JS6hsrxaZRM)

They might not eat you but....

;)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on November 07, 2020, 05:10:33 PM
http://youtu.be/9ONgWkJszWs (http://youtu.be/9ONgWkJszWs)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on May 20, 2021, 10:22:56 PM
This is interesting:

Living Pterodactyls in Arkansas and Elsewhere (https://youtu.be/aZfz_m5McJk)

:)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on May 25, 2021, 11:48:33 AM
Ropen (present day pterodactyls) not only reign supreme in the skies over certain Indonesian islands:

Ropen of New Guinea (https://youtu.be/-XtT0qwaTZ0)

But the population of their colony in North Carolina is increasing:

Flying Dinosaurs - Charlotte Stories (https://www.charlottestories.com/flying-dinosaurs-sightings-rise-north-carolina/)

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2009/10_monsters/monsters_10.jpg)

:)

Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on June 02, 2021, 05:06:51 PM
Here's a thought provoking article:

Quote from: Stephen Wagner - Liveabout.com; 6 January 2019Are Pterodactyl Sightings Real?



They were the largest creatures to ever attain flight. With wingspans reaching nearly 40 feet, pterosaurs ruled the prehistoric skies for over 100 million years, until they died out with the dinosaurs about 65 million years ago.

Or did they?

There have been many modern-day sightings of creatures that by eyewitness description sound like pterosaurs, or pterodactyl sightings. There are also intriguing rock carvings and even photographs that suggest that this species of amazing flying monsters could have survived extinction, could have soared through the skies of the southwestern United States until very recently and might still exist in small numbers in remote parts of the world.

Modern Pterodactyl Sightings
Although there seems to be no hard evidence that pterosaurs did not die out millions of years ago - no pterosaurs have ever been captured and no bodies have ever been found - sightings have persisted. Stories of flying reptiles have been recorded for many hundreds of years. Some think that tales of the "mythical" dragons in the lore of many cultures around the would be attributed to the sighting of pterosaurs. Here are some more modern accounts:

May 1961, New York State: A businessman flying his private plane over the Hudson River Valley claimed that he was "buzzed" by a large flying creature that he said looked like a pterodactyl.

The early 1960s, California: A couple driving through Trinity National Forest reported seeing the silhouette of a giant "bird" that they estimated to have a wingspan of 14 feet. They later described it as resembling a pterodactyl.

January 1976, Harlingen, Texas: Teens Jackie Davis and Tracey Lawson reported seeing a "bird" on the ground that stood five feet tall, was dark in color with a bald head and a face like a gorilla's with a sharp, six-inch-long beak. A subsequent investigation by their parents uncovered tracks that had three toes and were eight inches across.

February 1976, San Antonio, Texas: Three elementary school teachers saw what they described as a pterodactyl swooping low over their cars as they drove. They said its wingspan was between 15 and 20 feet. One of the teachers commented that it glided through the air on huge, bony wings like a bat.

September 1982, Los Fresnos, Texas: An ambulance driver named James Thompson was stopped while driving on Highway 100 by his sighting of a "large birdlike object" flying low over the area. He described it as black or grayish with a rough texture, but no feathers. It had a five- to six-foot wingspan, a hump on the back of its head, and almost no neck at all. After consulting some books to identify the creature, he decided it most looked like a pterosaur.

Africa's Kongamoto
While other reports of pterosaur-like creatures have come out of Arizona, Mexico and Crete, it is out of central Africa that some of the most interesting anecdotes have come. While traveling through Zambia in 1923, Frank H. Melland collected reports from natives of an aggressive flying reptile they called kongamoto, which means "overwhelmer of boats." The natives, who were occasionally tormented by these creatures, described them as being featherless with smooth skin, having a beak full of teeth and a wingspan of between four and seven feet. When shown illustrations of pterosaurs, Melland reported, the natives identified them as most resembling kongamoto.

In 1925, a native man was allegedly attacked by a creature that he identified as a pterosaur. This occurred near a swamp in Rhodesia where the man suffered a large wound in his chest that he said was caused by the monster's long beak.

In the late 1980s, noted cryptozoologist Roy Mackal led an expedition into Namibia from which he had heard reports of a prehistoric-looking creature with a wingspan of up to 30 feet.

Photo Evidence
If pterosaurs really died out with the dinosaurs and their fossil remains were not first discovered until 1784, then a depiction of one could not possibly exist in an ancient rock carving. Yet a pictograph found high on a cliff face near Thompson, Utah seems to show just that.

While many experts believe the drawing is a bird, the beak, head prominence, wings, and legs also look very much like those of a pterosaur.

Another fascinating tale of a pterosaur literally coming out of stone dates back to 1856 in France. Workmen were digging through Jurassic-era limestone for a railway tunnel between the St.-Dizier and Nancy lines. When a large boulder of limestone was split open, the workers were astonished to see a large winged creature come tumbling out. They said it fluttered its wings, let out a croaking noise and then dropped dead at their feet. The creature had thick black, leathery skin, a beak full of sharp teeth, long talons for feet, and membrane-like wings that spanned 10 feet, 7 inches, by their measure.

The body of the creature was taken to the nearby town of Gray, according to the story, where it was identified as a pterodactyl by a student of paleontology. As reported in the Illustrated London News of February 9, 1856, the rock in which the creature had apparently been entombed for millions of years, contained a precise mold of its body.

The April 25, 1890, edition of the Tombstone Epitaph ran a story of two Arizona ranchers who claimed to have chased on horseback a flying monster "resembling a huge alligator with an extremely elongated tail and an immense pair of wings." True to the spirit of the West, they shot the creature. Taking measurements, they reported that the monster was 92 feet long with a 160-foot wingspan and a mouth full of sharp teeth.

The story is not taken seriously by many researchers today, but it corresponds loosely with a story about a Thunderbird that was allegedly shot in the same area in 1886 and dragged into town to be photographed. Several paranormal researchers claim to recall seeing that photo, but don't know where, and the photo has not been seen since.

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Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Wolfman on June 02, 2021, 05:53:02 PM
Is this a real thing? That would be awesome! Unless of course, one of them snatched me off the ground. 🤣

JP
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on June 02, 2021, 08:35:54 PM
Quote from: Wolfman on June 02, 2021, 05:53:02 PMUnless of course, one of them snatched me off the ground.

That's why there are so few living witnesses.

;)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on June 20, 2021, 11:50:51 PM
Pterodactyl attack in Oklahoma!

When a Pterodactyl Attacks! (https://youtu.be/SlXioOUfVP4)

:o
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on July 18, 2023, 10:43:02 AM
Mokele-Mbembe of the Congo!

The Quest for Africa's Mega-Lizard (https://youtu.be/S7TkohrQVZM)

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Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Memphremagog on August 01, 2023, 02:30:25 PM
Sasquatch warning sign posted in California wooded area

(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/goldendalesentinel.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/52/b527b9c0-efc6-11eb-b447-17049d231a5d/61018fdaacf47.image.jpg?crop=624%2C852%2C719%2C10&resize=366%2C500&order=crop%2Cresize)
Title: Re: Cryptids, anyone?
Post by: Hepcat on December 03, 2023, 11:29:49 PM
Lake monsters? Who says all monsters need a whole huge lake?

Altamaha River Monster (https://youtu.be/mfwxVGSUwcA?si=bJP1xlNXNMS9CGeY)

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