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Since the topic page was shut down because of name calling etc...   I am bringing it back here with this auction in mind.

AND furthermore, LOL, who would pay 800 for a bucket with a hole in the bottom, I WOULD and I did.  It shouldn't matter what a person pays, its not your pocket and if it sets the bar, that bar will eventually drop again.

I think this bucket here is pretty dang high but if somebody really wants it, I don't begrudge them shelling out the dough.  and its a real beauty too.  Nice find atomkid

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Halloween-Plastic-Frankenstein-Bucket-/322799964142?hash=item4b28608fee:g:SJcAAOSwTNNZ0swx (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Halloween-Plastic-Frankenstein-Bucket-/322799964142?hash=item4b28608fee:g:SJcAAOSwTNNZ0swx)

I meant Billy Atom, not Atomic Kid.  lol.

yes, great find billyatom! i really like the face paint variation on this bucket. definitely excited to watch the auction from the sidelines.

is this the 4th or 5th one that has surfaced this year? i lost count.

I dont know if there were that many too emerge.  I only know about this one, the one that was a BIN and then the sneaky seller intercepted package and refunded the poor guy.   

then there is the one I found in somebodys collection that I managed to get them to part with... the Faded one ( I still think the mold was poured that way, that nonsense of sitting out in the sun seems unreal to me... too many fadeds around)

oh and then the Christian bucket LOL Holy in the bottom for 800.   So you are right after all!!!    More please

I honestly think that the "waters are just being tested" here with this bucket head, and that's ok. If the owner wants to sell, maybe after the auction ends if it doesn't sell, he may re-list, or insert "make an offer" if he's serious about selling it.

That Glenn bucket is bright. And it does not have the circle and screw perforations on the bottom either. Nice.

it is very shiny, but I didn't know that some buckets had the circle and feet and some did not!

hmmmmmm

Now a Glenn Lamp has surfaced.

where?

Glenn Strange lamp

 ::)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Frankenstein-Lamp-Plastic-Halloween-Blowmold-Light-/172906395590?hash=item28420637c6:g:vXAAAOSwgXJZ1Ftn (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Frankenstein-Lamp-Plastic-Halloween-Blowmold-Light-/172906395590?hash=item28420637c6:g:vXAAAOSwgXJZ1Ftn) 

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/vXAAAOSwgXJZ1Ftn/s-l1600.jpg)

Guess it cannot be helped. Someone was bound to post it. Ha .

The base is cut off of it though.

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 04, 2017, 08:00:39 AMAND furthermore, LOL, who would pay 800 for a bucket with a hole in the bottom, I WOULD and I did.

But won't sand, water, etc. all just run out of this new bucket of yours? It won't be much fun at the beach.

???

The $2,500 BIN is a beauty.  Curious what it will go for when it actually sells.  Hope to see lots of pics in this thread.  Love seeing the different variations.  I'll post a few...


This is the 1st bucket I owned.  Traded it to Hugo earlier in the year.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171005/2569276daf77a912ae936f05a5860a4a.jpg)

This is the hole in the bottom beauty that Hugo won and was kind enough to trade to me...

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171005/cf464d074e2d7f5e1518ee322c6cccb0.jpg)

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Thats a real beaut, certainly rivals the 2500 BIN on ebay now, so it has a manufacturers hole in the bottom, big deal.   And its got better flashing than the current lamp on ebay, also with hole, lol.

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 06, 2017, 08:48:48 AM
Thats a real beaut, certainly rivals the 2500 BIN on ebay now, so it has a manufacturers hole in the bottom, big deal.   And its got better flashing than the current lamp on ebay, also with hole, lol.

You chatting about the lamp one with the stand cut off bottom ?

Yes I am, that lamp has big flashing right down the middle and I wonder if it is as thick as the buckets, looks a little flimsy.   LOL

QuoteThats a real beaut, certainly rivals the 2500 BIN on ebay now, so it has a manufacturers hole in the bottom,

Was not sure because you mentioned hole in bottom. That lamp had base cut off. Really sad.

I thought the lamps were 2 seperate pieces!?!?!?!?

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 07, 2017, 01:41:09 PM
I thought the lamps were 2 seperate pieces!?!?!?!?

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7394/10466778613_0769b0ff27_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3743/10378957003_f8c686ab53_o.jpg)

☠️

If you like FRANKENSTEIN or HALLOWEEN, who then wouldn't want a Glenn Strange FRANKENLIGHT?!!!  Never saw one in person.  That's as cool as monster collecting is, all flavored for HALLOWEEN!   Let's see his face... 

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/2860083303_ae78d4d1d7.jpg)

now that he has been severed from his neck LOL, I wonder what he will fetch?

I am voting that is a factory cut, aka it was sold that way. It is a clean cut, not like some homey would do.  One mold, two products. The base (which always looks crooked) sawed off, and the head is ready for your average fixture or light Post in the front yard. That also would explain the weird fading often seen.

Quote from: Monster Bob on October 09, 2017, 12:44:18 PM
I am voting that is a factory cut, aka it was sold that way. It is a clean cut, not like some homey would do.  One mold, two products. The base (which always looks crooked) sawed off, and the head is ready for your average fixture or light Post in the front yard. That also would explain the weird fading often seen.

Look closer at the picture with hole.  That Frankenhead was sawed off by hand.  It is NOT a clean cut. 

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0YMAAOSwOTNZ1FtP/s-l1600.jpg)

From a photo, you can't tell 100%. And keep in mind, that bottom hole lip has been set down and banged around a bit in 50 years, which could soften the look and the edge a lot, in average wear.

Quote from: Allhallowsday on October 09, 2017, 03:56:04 PM
Look closer at the picture with hole.  That Frankenhead was sawed off by hand.  It is NOT a clean cut. 

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0YMAAOSwOTNZ1FtP/s-l1600.jpg)

I would like to see you personally make a cut that clean, using anything you can.

Quote from: Monster Bob on October 09, 2017, 04:42:41 PM

I would like to see you personally make a cut that clean, using anything you can.

??? 
Go to the auction and use the eBay magnifier to get a close look at the cut.  It is NOT clean.  Here's an easy to use link: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Frankenstein-Lamp-Plastic-Halloween-Blowmold-Light/172906395590?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Frankenstein-Lamp-Plastic-Halloween-Blowmold-Light/172906395590?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649)

A Dinky company making 29c Frankenstein heads would only be so concerned with a perfect cut. Like not at all. Look at the paint job. Look at the bases on the different based ones. They're terrible- crooked and a bit lopsided. Everything about the manufacture of these is crude.

If you look closely at the cut surface, you see tiny parallel scratch lines- it was cut with a large heavy blade of some sort aka industrial. The average Halloween Happy yo-yo would have attempted/used a saw or knife. Factory cut.

I'm really not so sure about this being factory cut looking at it closely, I'm guessing this lamp version always came with a base so I can only think this was done by an owner at some point (and for some reason?!).

Are there other versions of this lamp Frank out there with their bases cut off?

I admit I know very little about these buckets (way before my time), but I have been reading up on them through this forum which has been an education (another of the many great things abotu this place).

Ian

It's at least the forth one I've seen with a base like that.

Don't approve now, but as a kid, I could definitely see myself sawing that head off to have just the head...

Look closely at the hole on the back of the head, where the clip goes in. Look CLOSE. That looks pretty rough and is factory.

Quote from: Monster Bob on October 09, 2017, 07:53:20 PM
Look closely at the hole on the back of the head, where the clip goes in. Look CLOSE. That looks pretty rough and is factory.

I did take another look and that hole in the back was the thing that seemed to match the bottom. With you mentioning that you've seen 4 this year I can see why you're saying this all happened in the factory and maybe they had some sort of band saw on site to do this with their old stock of buckets.

It does make you wonder why they did this, maybe they decided to cut the base off due to the heat from the bulb warping it or something like that?

At least I feel like I've learnt a little more today about these buckets so thanks for all the info.

Ian

The hole for the light is factory, for sure.  I also think the base was cut off... but not at the factory...

I'm amazed that no one on here knows for sure what happened with these buckets.

Does anyone remember these being sold back in the day who may have seen both the bucket version as well as the lamp version? If these were cut in the factory then they must have been sold somewhere.

Oh I do love a good mystery  :D

Ian

Still have my 2 lamps from my Dad. Used to put them on either side of porch front door every Halloween. No, do not believe they were cut as a factory item. Cannot imagine them cutting them when you could cut them yourself if you wanted. The Brooklyn 5 and 10 store I used to go to had them as buckets and lamps. Never seen any cut ones on shelves as I recall. Wish My Dad was still around, he knew all about this stuff. He worked for many of the toy , plastic, and Christmas light companies in his younger years.

Great story to hear about your Dad and interesting to know you don't remember them as being cut. I bet there's still some tiny village in the States where people still put their lamps out on Halloween and have no idea as to the value of them.....well it's nice to think anyway.

Ian

Well, honestly I think that it was cut by the original owner.  Almost all of the bases are crooked, it was probably a combination of that, along with maybe the owner wanting to have it this way to display it better, or, another way.  The fact that it is an actual lamp does indeed make it a bit more desirable as opposed to a regular bucket head because it is a lot rarer regardless of the base being cut off or not. It is up to the final buyer if it actually matters or not.  So, is it damaged, yes it is. Either from the original owner or from the factory. Is it rare, yes it is.  Does it warrant a premium, in my opinion, yes, it does.  There aren't many of these, and one even like this is tough to find.

Agreed. The best thing about it is the solid flat head. I have a store stock one of these in storage- a lamp head with no base, but I don't remember what the bottom looks like. I also have a factory pink plastic head bucket and the common orange one- both unused as out of the case, in case a "control" is ever needed.

Quote from: Monster Bob on October 10, 2017, 04:08:57 AM
Agreed. The best thing about it is the solid flat head. I have a store stock one of these in storage- a lamp head with no base, but I don't remember what the bottom looks like. I also have a factory pink plastic head bucket and the common orange one- both unused as out of the case, in case a "control" is ever needed.

I sure would LOVE to see a picture of the "pink" plastic head bucket, having never ever seeing one.     

Can you show us pictures, Monster Bob?   That would really be appreciated.

I would love to, but I have a heckaof a time putting pics and videos up. Photobucket doesnt work for me like it did.

Bob

Photobucket is a real mess for me too.   I finally had to switch to tinypic dot com.

it was a lot easier!!   If you have a pic you can send to my email, I could post it here for you!!     hugodez1957(*at*)gmail.com is my personal email.

I know every one here would love to see a pic or 2 from you.

Hugo

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 10, 2017, 11:38:42 AM
I sure would LOVE to see a picture of the "pink" plastic head bucket, having never ever seeing one.     
Can you show us pictures, Monster Bob?   That would really be appreciated.

I have owned three buckets, still have the first one I found.  The second one was a purchase about 20 years ago from a member of this forum.  That one was a kind of HOT PINK orange color!  Let's see a pic! 

Yes I believe Monster Bob is talking about the red orange ones that look a little like Hot Pink.

like this one.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/28u5mvr.jpg)

The molded plastic is distinctly pink, not orange. No fading or discoloration whatsoever. I had two of them, the other one I believe I sold in Toy Shop.

Send me a pic so I an post for all to see.

dying for some Pink Frank!

Quote from: Monster Bob on October 10, 2017, 03:31:45 PM
The molded plastic is distinctly pink, not orange. No fading or discoloration whatsoever. I had two of them, the other one I believe I sold in Toy Shop.

Is it like this one at the bottom of the page MB?

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31868.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31868.0)

Ian

Quote from: Palifan on October 10, 2017, 04:57:22 PM
Is it like this one at the bottom of the page MB?

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31868.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31868.0)

Ian

Ian, I had that one in my hands for 10 minutes and then sent it on its way, its Orange in person, that lightness is due to the camera or lighting.

Quote from: Palifan on October 10, 2017, 04:57:22 PM
Is it like this one at the bottom of the page MB?

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31868.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31868.0)

No.

Quote from: Monster Bob on October 10, 2017, 03:31:45 PMThe molded plastic is distinctly pink, not orange. No fading or discoloration whatsoever. I had two of them, the other one I believe I sold in Toy Shop.

I recall a picture of a pink one on UMA several years ago but I have no idea where this picture can be found these days.

:(

monster bob's pink buckethead was pictured alongside two other frankenbuckets in the 1st photo on page one of this thread...

http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=30950.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=30950.0)

another photo lost to the photobucket wipe out of 2017

(https://i.imgflip.com/1kpxp7.jpg)

Pink ? May be just the lighting and camera.

There is no picture of a PINK bucket on that wonderful link.   plenty of faded, orange and mixed buckets oh so many buckets....   but no pink.

I won't believe it till I see it with my own eyes.

yeah, I know.... not any more...
it used to be the 1st photo on page one... but it was hosted on photobucket. so, POOF!

AUUUGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!     insert mental picture of Charlie Brown running away with this fat cartoon arms straight up by his ears.

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 11, 2017, 07:25:59 AM
Ian, I had that one in my hands for 10 minutes and then sent it on its way, its Orange in person, that lightness is due to the camera or lighting.

That's a real shame, just shows that you can't trust a picture always. How's the screamer collection come on this year by the way?

Ian

That thread has some wonderful pictures of the Frank buckets and I guess some could be misconstrued as being pink, especially the pictures of the lighter aka faded ones.. it almost looks like a soft soft pink so in that respect I have a pink bucket too!   PS my screamer collection is mostly getting duplicates now, send me your email and I will send pics of it.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/rgvsxy.jpg)

not bad at all as far as price goes.  Just my humble opinion.   Would have been nice to have the base.  Was it someone from here?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172906395590?_trksid=p2471758.m4704 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/172906395590?_trksid=p2471758.m4704)

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 12, 2017, 07:26:24 AM
not bad at all as far as price goes.  Just my humble opinion.   Would have been nice to have the base.  Was it someone from here?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172906395590?_trksid=p2471758.m4704 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/172906395590?_trksid=p2471758.m4704)

More than I would spend to get half of an un-reparable toy.

I would have given him as much as $100 for it.  It would be fun to try make a good mold from it for casting other heads in plaster, resin or papier mache.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 12, 2017, 10:02:39 AM
More than I would spend to get half of an un-reparable toy.

I would have given him as much as $100 for it.  It would be fun to try make a good mold from it for casting other heads in plaster, resin or papier mache.

I would pick up a cheap, blow mold lamp with suitable size base, (about 2 inch diameter) , and plastic weld them together. It should be displayed as intended.

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xhr0b.jpg)

found it!

Huh?! That's not the picture I remember. There was a bucket posted here that was a real medium pink, not orange at all.

???

this is the same pic sent to me by a UMA buddy, says the bucket on the far right is the pink bucket of Monster Bob.
(http://i63.tinypic.com/2ppj3ax.jpg)

Hmmmmm. Well, I'd lean to calling that one a variant of orange.

:-\

Anyone happen toNotice the one on the left?? It's a lamp.... flat top, with no base..seems that monster Bob was trying to tell everyone that was variation in the other thread and no one believed him. The guy knows his stuff. Ive seen another that way as well, but i cant currently locate that picture,(might be on a disc i will look) so thats 3 different lamp heads with no base ive seen.

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xi7z4.jpg)

here is another flat top frankenlamp with no base... its pale too!

Count Zero, the middle bucket in Monster Bobs picture, looks just like the one I sold you!!!   Is it?

yeah, it definitely has that look...doesn't it?
i don't believe it to be the same one though.
the paint pattern is slightly different.

Count Zero, can you post a pic of your bucket?   all my pics of it got blown away from Photobucket

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xjngm.jpg)

here it is in the dark on top of a flashlight

SWEET now a daylight pic so I can compare.  IT looks very much like the Monster Bob Bucket.

Monster Bob, do you still have the 3 Frank Blow Molds in the picture?

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 12, 2017, 07:26:24 AM
not bad at all as far as price goes.  Just my humble opinion.   Would have been nice to have the base.  Was it someone from here?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172906395590?_trksid=p2471758.m4704 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/172906395590?_trksid=p2471758.m4704)

Yea surely a member. Hope he posts some more pictures of it when he gets it.

now I want one LOL

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 13, 2017, 10:09:33 AM
SWEET now a daylight pic so I can compare.  IT looks very much like the Monster Bob Bucket.

Monster Bob, do you still have the 3 Frank Blow Molds in the picture?

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xp2xr.jpg)

So this one went fast off ebay. Clever .

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ntwAAOSw00ZZ492U/s-l1600.jpg)


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Frankenstein-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-/152745104535?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=1rSe0wYgXoaLDtoCmNBa9roFQc4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Frankenstein-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-/152745104535?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=1rSe0wYgXoaLDtoCmNBa9roFQc4%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc)

I wonder if the seller paid 1000 or went for something less.   And did you see it had free pick up?   I don't see a shipping charge.

hmmmmm

When you post as "Free Local Pickup", you are inviting people to contact you to make a deal. No ebay fees either if you do not say it is sold. Usually the auction is just ended.

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 17, 2017, 08:28:03 AM
I wonder if the seller paid 1000 or went for something less. 

It says sold for 1k, so the seller is paying the ebay fee on that.

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 17, 2017, 10:06:20 AM
It says sold for 1k, so the seller is paying the ebay fee on that.

Hopefully the seller was not that ignorant , and included fees with whatever deal they made.

I did notice that the location of this bucket is only 7.5 miles from the location of the one I had purchased (and never received), but the paint wear looks a little bit different.

Quote from: MonsterBrian on October 17, 2017, 11:00:08 AM
I did notice that the location of this bucket is only 7.5 miles from the location of the one I had purchased (and never received), but the paint wear looks a little bit different.

Really ?  How much different is the paint wear ?

Quote from: Maceo1 on October 17, 2017, 10:47:02 AM
Hopefully the seller was not that ignorant , and included fees with whatever deal they made.

Well, yeah, but you still have to pay ebay. If you make a private deal and don't tell ebay, then you don't

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 17, 2017, 11:28:23 AM
Well, yeah, but you still have to pay ebay. If you make a private deal and don't tell ebay, then you don't

Not if you cancel deal afterwards.  There is always a way to beat ebay at their own game. Ha.

Quote from: Maceo1 on October 17, 2017, 11:30:56 AM
Not if you cancel deal afterwards. 

But then you don't get your money.  ;D

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 17, 2017, 11:33:21 AM
But then you don't get your money.  ;D

Of course you do...that's the private deal.

Quote from: Maceo1 on October 17, 2017, 11:03:02 AM
Really ?  How much different is the paint wear ?

Close enough to arouse suspicion. The nose and brow have more paint wear, but for all I know, that could have happened in shipping. It has been shipped half-way across the country twice since the first pictures. Once, to my post office and then again when it was stolen from my post office and sent back to New Jersey. I wish I had better quality pictures to compare.

Quote from: MonsterBrian on October 17, 2017, 11:51:41 AM
Close enough to arouse suspicion. The nose and brow have more paint wear, but for all I know, that could have happened in shipping. It has been shipped half-way across the country twice since the first pictures. Once, to my post office and then again when it was stolen from my post office and sent back to New Jersey. I wish I had better quality pictures to compare.

Not hard to remove a little paint. Do you have any of the pics to post of your "purchased" bucket ?

Quote from: Maceo1 on October 17, 2017, 11:55:01 AM
Not hard to remove a little paint. Do you have any of the pics to post of your "purchased" bucket ?

The picture is on page 3 of the "Glenn Strange Halloween Bucket" thread (the one that is locked).

Quote from: MonsterBrian on October 17, 2017, 12:01:04 PM
The picture is on page 3 of the "Glenn Strange Halloween Bucket" thread (the one that is locked).

The same picture you are using as your avatar ?

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xrmwf.jpg)(https://i.imgflip.com/1xrmyw.jpg)

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/628x450q90/922/vXPFFY.jpg)

Quote from: Maceo1 on October 17, 2017, 11:37:00 AM
Of course you do...that's the private deal.

I thought you meant cancel the deal, altogether.

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xrvxs.jpg)

im looking at these 2 areas..
doesn't look like the same bucket to me.

If not the same one, a hell of a coincidence. Two buckets show up just a month apart, only seven miles from each other. Same paint scheme, same wart on the bridge of the nose, handle present and attached from the outside, same circle pattern on bottom side. I know there are a lot of these out there that match that description, but it is still an interesting situation.

Quote from: Count Zero on October 17, 2017, 02:04:52 PM
(https://i.imgflip.com/1xrvxs.jpg)

im looking at these 2 areas..
doesn't look like the same bucket to me.

If you look at original enlarged pictures, they look to have identical flashing and ridges. Almost looks as though the newer one has some spray paint added and cleaned off in spots. Or they are older pictures. Great mystery.

Quote from: MonsterBrian on October 17, 2017, 02:23:20 PM
If not the same one, a hell of a coincidence. Two buckets show up just a month apart, only seven miles from each other. Same paint scheme, same wart on the bridge of the nose, handle present and attached from the outside, same circle pattern on bottom side. I know there are a lot of these out there that match that description, but it is still an interesting situation.

i hear ya man. mine almost fits that description as well. there are a lot of these out there. i think ive seen about 5 or 6 of these bucketheads on ebay in the past 60 days alone.

Quote from: Maceo1 on October 17, 2017, 02:42:19 PM
If you look at original enlarged pictures, they look to have identical flashing and ridges. Almost looks as though the newer one has some spray paint added and cleaned off in spots. Great mystery.

im seeing different flashing on these buckets - especially around/in the hole on top of the head. i can understand the adding & removing of paint.. but how can you add flashing?

not playing the devils advocate here...just want to be positive about this before/if the lynch mob is assembled

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xs01h.jpg)

Quoteim seeing different flashing on these buckets - especially around/in the hole on top of the head. i can understand the adding & removing of paint.. but how can you add flashing?

(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/571x358q90/923/bnDCwN.jpg)

Anybody here buy this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Frankenstein-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-/152745104535?hash=item2390515497:g:ntwAAOSw00ZZ492U (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1960s-Glenn-Strange-Frankenstein-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-/152745104535?hash=item2390515497:g:ntwAAOSw00ZZ492U)

My brain hurts.

I need a Lamp, preferably without that crooked base

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 19, 2017, 11:09:13 AM
I need a Lamp, preferably without that crooked base

I can't remember seeing one with a straight base.

I now believe that the ebay one with the missing base was factory cut.   Just because of previous comments on this thread about there being so many out there.

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 20, 2017, 07:58:30 AM
I now believe that the ebay one with the missing base was factory cut.   Just because of previous comments on this thread about there being so many out there.

Maybe. But what would be the purpose of cutting off the base ? How many have been shown with the base cut off ?

Quote from: frankenstein73 on October 12, 2017, 02:41:04 PM
Anyone happen toNotice the one on the left?? It's a lamp.... flat top, with no base..seems that monster Bob was trying to tell everyone that was variation in the other thread and no one believed him. The guy knows his stuff. Ive seen another that way as well, but i cant currently locate that picture,(might be on a disc i will look) so thats 3 different lamp heads with no base ive seen.

Here Maceo1, here is the proof above.

PS I still need a lamp.

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 20, 2017, 08:28:42 AM
Here Maceo1, here is the proof above.

PS I still need a lamp.

But you cannot see the bottom. So we cannot tell how it was cut and if it was cut at the same length.  I know people have cut off bases because the head is formed a bit crooked on the base, but still a mystery if they were cut at factory.

Quote from: Allhallowsday on October 09, 2017, 03:56:04 PM
Look closer at the picture with hole.  That Frankenhead was sawed off by hand.  It is NOT a clean cut. 

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/0YMAAOSwOTNZ1FtP/s-l1600.jpg)

Here is the bottom!!!!

OK . So now what ?

If I was looking for a Frankenstein lamp, I'd want one that is intact with the base, the way it was intended to be. Sure, the base is usually a bit skewed, but honestly, not that much. A very slight bend wouldn't matter to me. It is how they were made.

Skully this thread is to prove that the lamp was made in many versions, intact with crooked base,  or cut off at the bottom as the picture shows.
both by the manufacture.

also as blonde plastic aka faded which I think is on purpose, not due to elemental issues.

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xz87x.jpg)

have you seen this yet?

uh ugh.   resin.   awful.

just my opinion

Hugo,  only 2 versions could exist, with and without a base. Honestly, a LOT of speculation here. And, it can only be opinion. Unless hard evidence surfaces as with pictures from a store way back then, or factory correspondence with photos and paperwork, all that's being done here is guessing.  Almost seems like if a person does indeed buy a light with no base, he is hoping and praying it was done at the factory so the purchase can be somehow "justified" as being ok because that's how it was originally made. My guess, speculation, opinion, is that they were made with a base, and people cut them off later on. The only version of this "holy grail" piece that I remember seeing in a store was in Philadelphia in a display window and it was the speaker head, it was a novelty store and I mentioned this in another thread. It made me wonder if the piece was actually not a mail-order only piece, and actually sold in some stores. But one must remember, seeing it in the back pages of Famous Monsters magazine as a mail order piece may deepen the mystery because early Captain Company was located in Philly at one time.

Quote from: Count Zero on October 20, 2017, 04:40:43 PM
...  have you seen this yet? 

Yeah.  It is a copy of a copy that lacks a lot of the fine detail of an original.  Being resin it is heavier than either the original or the copy it was made from.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Bucket-Head-/182844539596?hash=item2a926242cc:g:YnEAAOSwIJlZ6lPk (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Bucket-Head-/182844539596?hash=item2a926242cc:g:YnEAAOSwIJlZ6lPk)

Anyone wanting to make much of this will need to do some re-tooling to give it back some of the fine lines of an original.

Not sure what I would ever do with one of these - but the price would have to be next to nothing before I would even try.  I'll pass.

Had to happen sooner or later.

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Some ideas.

STill awful.   I don't care if you fill it with gold pieces, it doestn't compare to an original piece.     Skully, I agree its all speculations but thats what is fun about this mystery.
I still speculate that the factory produced it in many forms, with base and without for the lamps.

I can't wait to get a cut off base lamp justifiable or not, its still classic to me.

anybody got a cut off they want to sell me?

Sideshow Frank

Quote from: Maceo1 on October 21, 2017, 08:13:28 AM
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640x480q90/924/IgKWS4.jpg)

Rasta Frank ?

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 21, 2017, 10:34:20 AM
Sideshow Frank

FRANKLY I don't care for it.       

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 22, 2017, 08:51:47 AM
FRANKLY I don't care for it. 

Me, either.

BUT...  I have no problem with someone making a faithful copy of an original in some other color plastic - green comes to mind.

I really don't think of vintage toys as being sacred or investment properties.  Besides, copies are made of famous original oil paintings all the time - doesn't seem to lower their value much.

Seeing a plant in one makes me think a nice, cheap terra cotta version could be a fun planter.

(I will now put on my cup - swing away.)

i agree with you & i like your painting comparison.
if these repops were cheap - i'd pick up a few for the yard to use as planters or something. or even paint one up & use it to hand out candy this year.

i spoke with the seller & the initial run consists of around a dozen pieces.
for selfish reasons i was hoping this one wouldn't sell... so that way maybe the seller would drop the price...but... as of the moment - i believe it already has 2 bids on it.... so.. yeah.

Green plastic would be very cool, translucent for sure.

The planters just don't do it for me, they seem cheap and distasteful.    LOL.

I am still sticking with the theory that the lamps also came with base sawn off since we have 2 pictures and 2 people who claimed to have see more, at least 4 without bases.

Crooked bases likely didn't sell when these were new, and likely happened in the cooling process. What Mom would have bought a crooked lamp? Few. Easiest and cheapest solution? Cut the base off and sell them that way. And they would have sold.

Quote from: Monster Bob on October 23, 2017, 08:50:19 AM
Crooked bases likely didn't sell when these were new, and likely happened in the cooling process. What Mom would have bought a crooked lamp? Few. Easiest and cheapest solution? Cut the base off and sell them that way. And they would have sold.

You may be right. The Glenn heads were so crooked on the bases that nobody would buy them.  Specially if they were planning to put a lamp shade on them.

Mom: " Sorry Billy, that is too crooked, put it back where you got it from. "
Billy: " Aww, shucks ".

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7359/10378770075_98fa23604a_z.jpg)

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Quote from: Maceo1 on October 23, 2017, 09:19:09 AM
You may be right. The Glenn heads were so crooked on the bases that nobody would buy them.  Specially if they were planning to put a lamp shade on them....

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/2860083303_ae78d4d1d7.jpg)

The full lamp blow mold had two major problems.

The hot mold tended to sag at the neck line under its own weight, making the head tilt to one side or the other.

The perimeter of the base was often VERY thin (like the nose) in spots.  Guess it was just hard to force enough plastic into the extremities. 


The bottom picture above is my Frank Lamp.  It has both problems.  It tilts a bit more than the picture shows.  I had put some small item under one side to lessen the appearance of the list.

If a person had a lamp with a really thin base, it could get very dented or even easily be pierced.  The simple solution would be to eliminate the base altogether.

Too bad it was not cast as two separate pieces - or roto-cast.

Adam thanks for sharing.    I agree that what Monster Bob spoke of, that the company saw the flaw and continued selling chopped topped.

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 23, 2017, 09:50:23 AM
Adam thanks for sharing.    I agree that what Monster Bob spoke of, that the company saw the flaw and continued selling chopped topped.

It would explain why they are so bloody rare.  Not many turned out well enough to sell.

Spot a lamp ?

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Quote from: Count Zero on October 22, 2017, 04:53:11 PM
i agree with you & i like your painting comparison.
if these repops were cheap - i'd pick up a few for the yard to use as planters or something. or even paint one up & use it to hand out candy this year.

i spoke with the seller & the initial run consists of around a dozen pieces.
for selfish reasons i was hoping this one wouldn't sell... so that way maybe the seller would drop the price...but... as of the moment - i believe it already has 2 bids on it.... so.. yeah.

Hi, Count! and greetings, friends.  There are new pictures on the ebay listing that show some finer detail of the bucket.  I'm the guy making and selling these and I know I haven't been on this message board in forever, but I'm one of those casualties of Facebook.  Finally got on it and now addicted.  Anyway, I realize that there's a slight controversy to the re-pops, but my inspiration comes from the beautiful sculpture of this thing and that I had always wanted one and thought re-pops could and should be cheaper than the one I bought years back.  The price is not super cheap, but seems to be about right compared to other items -- for example, I saw someone selling a repro box for the Frankie speaker, just the box, for 90 bucks -- or someone selling the nice Moebius Bride painted for 130.  Anyway, the pricing is kind of establishing itself as this auction goes on. 

I'm still getting used to the process of selling on ebay.  I took the first pics with my laptop and the newer pics with my phone and uploaded them.   I realize opinions vary on things, so to each his own!  :)

Quote from: Dr. Jitters on October 23, 2017, 12:55:29 PM
...I'm the guy making and selling these...

More power to you!

Hope you find your market.  You have bidders on your first listing, so it looks like you will.

Thanks!  Appreciate it.

Quote from: Maceo1 on October 23, 2017, 12:20:32 PM
Spot a lamp ? 

Yeah.

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                                     Frankenstein - Jack-O-Lantern - by Trendmasters - 1993

Awww !   I was going to post that.  Good one.  (I thought it was 1995 item)

I also have the same 1993 date for this version:

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4488/37165993603_af00339686_b.jpg)

At 10", it is 1 inch shorter than the  pumpkin.

I think they were both sold as K-Mart exclusives.

Things just got... interesting:


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                                                     (Click on the pictures above to see larger images.)

The listing:

http://tinyurl.com/ybg7y6lh (http://tinyurl.com/ybg7y6lh)

This is not the guy in Burbank, CA.  This one is in Fort Wayne, IN.


Hark!  Is that the sound of bricks splashing toilet water all over the country?

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 23, 2017, 10:21:01 PM
Things just got interesting:

What's the interesting part?

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 23, 2017, 10:41:21 PM
What's the interesting part?

There are now at least 2 different sellers who are making repro's of buckets that fetch as much as $1000.00. 

One seller is repro'ing copies.  The other is making somewhat better copies of originals and will soon be making copies of head speakers and branching out to make lamps.  I think it is only time before much better copies begin to be made.

Collectors have argued about copying for a long time.  I think this will be discussed/argued about by people pro and con on this site.  That seems interesting to me.

It sure stirred up debate when the  repro Big Franky Models came out.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 24, 2017, 12:56:35 AM
Collectors have argued about copying for a long time.  I think this will be discussed/argued about by people pro and con on this site.  That seems interesting to me.

Well, that part can be interesting, for sure.

Well, years back the speaker head repro's were made, don't know how many, but, it was no real big deal.  Easily identified from original, seems like the same with these.  As with any type of re-pop, it's great for the person who can't afford an original, that goes for any type of collectible, but for the true die-hard collector, original is where it's at. But, those early speaker re-pops are getting a bit expensive.  Maybe the price now will drop for these. Honestly can't say the same for the originals though. I really could care less about these re-pops, and, with the Big Frankies, along with just about all of the other Aurora kits that were re-produced, well, the originals are still bringing some bucks, sometimes big bucks, although early on when they were being produced, (the copies), originals took a bit of a hit, but seems to have since re-bounded.  And, as usual, if the price does drop for originals, I'll buy, but, as usual, who's going to sell theirs.

That is interesting.  And weird timing!  I had mine in the garage for years and years before I finally dug it out and made a mold of it to sell copies and then a guy starts selling copies within the same week!  Oh well.  We'll see.  I can't see the price dropping for originals.

Agreed, I can't see the price dropping for the original buckets.    Its sad to see the repops, now when I see them years later at a yard sale, Ill break my neck to get to it only to be fooled by a resin copy.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232534889948?hash=item362428d5dc:g:jTIAAOSwR2RZ7o1n (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232534889948?hash=item362428d5dc:g:jTIAAOSwR2RZ7o1n)

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 24, 2017, 03:42:51 PM
Agreed, I can't see the price dropping for the original buckets.    Its sad to see the repops, now when I see them years later at a yard sale, Ill break my neck to get to it only to be fooled by a resin copy. ... 

Maybe they will make a copy with a slit instead of a large hole - a Franky Bank.

How does one tell a repop from an original?

Quote from: Jimi Bat on October 24, 2017, 10:42:14 PM
How does one tell a repop from an original?

The Speaker head copy from some years ago is made of a funny hard foam material and feels kinda spongy.  They were issued with a wooden base that they sat on.

These new copies from the Burbank seller are resin copies of that speaker copy.  They don't have very fine dtail.

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The new copies from the Fort Wayne seller are resin copies of the original plastic bucket.  They were made from a front/back mold that left a line through the ears of the bucket in addition to reproducing the original mold's line that runs straight down ol' Frank's nose.  So the head looks like it was made from a four piece mold.  (The front and back seam from the copy mold doesn't quite line up.)

Pretty easy to tell them apart.

Agreed that it would be obvious.  The original buckets are a thick wonderful translucent like PLASTIC.

those awful ( my opinion) resin copies are heavy mothers and if you drop one... oh well.

The details are fine on the Burbank seller's copies.  :)  The added photos on the listing can be magnified to your heart's content.  They have excellent detail.  That's all.

Are you kidding me?   I don't get it, sure its a nice paint job but OVER 100 dollars?   
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232534889948?hash=item362428d5dc:g:jTIAAOSwR2RZ7o1n (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232534889948?hash=item362428d5dc:g:jTIAAOSwR2RZ7o1n)

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 26, 2017, 09:13:37 AM
Are you kidding me?   I don't get it, sure its a nice paint job but OVER 100 dollars?   
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232534889948?hash=item362428d5dc:g:jTIAAOSwR2RZ7o1n (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232534889948?hash=item362428d5dc:g:jTIAAOSwR2RZ7o1n)

Even the copy of a copy is up over $200.00.

An awful lot more than I would pay for either.

(https://i.imgflip.com/1ybm1j.jpg)

i can't believe this one just broke 400 bucks

Quote from: Count Zero on October 26, 2017, 06:10:06 PM

i can't believe this one just broke 400 bucks 

NOOOOOOOO!

I don't think the bidders really understand what it is they are bidding on - they can't.

Jeeze. 

(How's that head feeling, Monster Bob?)

Unreal!  The popularity of these buckets seems to be really increasing.  With the rarity of the other forms of this piece, namely the speaker head and the lamp, just the fact that a bucket comes along a bit more frequently might be the reason behind increased bidding because the price of the speaker and lamp are usually so much higher and of course not listed as often. 

ARE YOU FRANKING KIDDING ME?  FOR A CRAPPY RESIN COPY????   UN FRANKEN REAL!
https://www.ebay.com/itm/182844539596?ul_noapp=true (https://www.ebay.com/itm/182844539596?ul_noapp=true)

Wow. Admittedly, this appears to be a well-done repro that goes the extra mile

And it is very clear about what it is-- to his credit he doesn't try to disguise the listing as a vintage item

But I am still surprised at the price this is reaching:

Frankenstein Monster Halloween Candy Bucket / Pail - Vintage Style Reproduction https://www.ebay.com/i/232534889948

We are officially through the looking glass here:

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$560.00 for a copy of a copy of a Frankenstein Bucket!

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I'm liking my original find more and more:

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i cant believe the prices that these are fetching

that plain unpainted resin one was originally listed with a $110.00 buy it now option in addition to the $75.00 opening bid....

Quote from: Count Zero on October 27, 2017, 03:40:06 PM
i cant believe the prices that these are fetching

that plain unpainted resin one was originally listed with a $110.00 buy it now option in addition to the $75.00 opening bid....

I never saw the Buy-It-Now.  First time I saw it, there was already a bid.

Guess the initial bidder is kicking himself right about now.  (I wouldn't be, I don't think it is worth $75.00.)

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes... 
The dead rising from the grave!
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!

My mind is playing "Boggle"!!

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 27, 2017, 03:35:07 PM
$560.00 for a copy of a copy of a Frankenstein Bucket
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I'm liking my original find ($49) more and more:

"INSANE AM I?   I'LL SHOW YOU WHO'S INSANE"

The Buyer is INSANE, thats who!!!!!    LOL and LMAO and all those other awful acronyms...   "what a world what a world....."

I don't know if anyone has been watching but the insanity is spreading.....Frankenstein Pencil Sharpener 566.00....Blow mold Creature 240.00 Really.....wow!! But if you REALLY want to see CRAZY, check out what the Renzi Halloween Skull Buckets are selling for Lately. In the past month a yellow one sold for 160.00, A red and purple both sold for........$250.00 each. Now that's F**king INSANE!!!!!

Quote from: monsterjoe on October 27, 2017, 07:33:53 PM
Blow mold Creature 240.00

Those Mexican ones?

Quote from: Dr. Jitters on October 24, 2017, 10:36:15 AM
...I had mine [Speaker Head Repro] in the garage for years and years before I finally dug it out and made a mold of it to sell copies and then a guy starts selling copies within the same week!  Oh well.  We'll see.... 

You now get to claim gloating rights.

I was checking out the bidding on the 1st Bucket that ended at $560.00 - and the current bidding on the 2nd Bucket's auction that is still active.

The next to high bidder on the closed auction ($550.00) is the current leading bidder in the open auction.  That could mean that anyone wanting to beat him out in this one will have to pay as much as the first winner.

Hmmm.

The next to high bidder on the closed auction ($550.00) is the current leading bidder in the open auction.  That could mean that anyone wanting to beat him out in this one will have to pay as much as the first winner.

Hmmm.
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Adam, I was looking at the 2 resin auctions as well and its the same 2 bidders.    Could it be they are in cahoots to drive up the auction to make it more desirable?  I mean these are molds and certainly the owners WILL MAKE MORE.       I am with you on the Hmmmmms.

PS I have 4 of the Renzi Skull Buckets and paid well for them so yes... "Insane, am I?  I'll show you who's Insane!"

I'm amazed what these repos are selling for i wouldn't drop more than a hundred bucks for that.
I'm surprised we haven't seen a 3d print yet. I was contemplating buying a bucket and off setting the cost selling some repops
but I thought I'd have to sell 15 or 20 to get my money back not 1 or 2

It does seem like shill biding to me, either that or the people bidding on it didn't know it was a repro. I honestly can't see people paying anywhere near this amount for a repro one that's not even in the right color (talking about the white one), it wouldn't make any sense and you may as well just add a bit more money to the pot and get an original.

I guess you never know if someone is desperate and has enough money to miss that kind of amount but I would have thought you'd be lucky to get a with of that amount.

It'll interesting to now see how many more of these get produced, maybe if there's a steady stream of them the price will drop down to what they should be going for.

Ian

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 28, 2017, 08:18:55 AM
...Adam, I was looking at the 2 resin auctions as well and its the same 2 bidders.    Could it be they are in cahoots to drive up the auction to make it more desirable?  I mean these are molds and certainly the owners WILL MAKE MORE.... 

I wasn't wondering about that so much as I was wondering how high a new, 3rd bidder might push the last auction's
runner-up to try to get win this auction that has not yet ended.

None of this makes any sense.  Both sellers clearly state that these are COPIES and one even states that there will be more coming along in the future - even in different models.  Why knock yourself out over something that is still in production?  There will be more. 

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And why do bidders insist on telling the world what they are willing to pay a week before an auction ends?  All my bids are placed in the last few seconds of the auctions.  No one has the opportunity to re-think what they really are willing to spend and bid again.  Announcing your limit makes as much sense as showing your poker hand to the player across the table.

Bidding just once also prevents me from letting my own sense of competitiveness take over and cause me to place an unwise bid above what I wanted to pay for an item - just so the other guy doesn't beat me.

I will sometimes place a ridiculously small bid on an item to mark it in my watch list - or prevent the item from being sold early at what I think is an unreasonably high Buy-It-Now price.

I think some bidders get excited by watching the little numbers climb during the week.  They are like sharks taken over by some primal feeding frenzy.  I don't mind when it is something in which I have no interest.  Kinda bugs me when it is something I am quietly stalking.

I also hate it when well-meaning members announce live auctions I am following.  I try to extend the same courtesy to other collectors.  We only wind up pitting members against each other for the same items. 

The only exceptions are private e-mails to individual members about something I think they might have missed (but never more than one member for any one auction) or in cases where something is listed for millions of dollars, is of questionable authenticity, a dishonest listing or has already been exposed here by some other member and is being generally discussed .
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Sorry, I got carried away and thought I was venting to someone who cared what I thought.  I will now try to get back in my UMA member frame of mind and keep my posts a bit more succinct.  (Wish me luck.)

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 28, 2017, 02:28:19 PM
None of this makes any sense. 

Remember, you're talking about eBay.  ;D

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 28, 2017, 02:28:19 PM
Sorry, I got carried away and thought I was venting to someone who cared what I thought. 

We do, but it usually takes more than 5 min. to get a post noticed.

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 28, 2017, 03:23:58 PM
...  We do, but it usually takes more than 5 min. to get a post noticed. 

I was just apologizing in advance.

I do tend to ramble.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 28, 2017, 03:41:28 PM
I was just apologizing in advance.

Ah! Never mind!  :)

Adam, your picture of the REAL ebay bucket for 49 dollars, says 2016.    Did you win and find that auction?

That is an amazing find.    speaking of 49, I wouldnt pay 49 cents for the resins that are currently going thru the roof.     I can say at least the Orange resin has a decent paint job.   Possible airbrushed?

At least this seems to be more down to earth.   I actually like it and don't find it unappealing.   
https://www.ebay.com/itm/ABG-PRODUCTS-FRANKENSTEIN-SHARPENER-REPRO-monster-vintage-universal/142552983668?hash=item2130d1e874:g:GmoAAOSwevdZ8qky (https://www.ebay.com/itm/ABG-PRODUCTS-FRANKENSTEIN-SHARPENER-REPRO-monster-vintage-universal/142552983668?hash=item2130d1e874:g:GmoAAOSwevdZ8qky)

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 27, 2017, 08:10:05 PM
Those Mexican ones?

Here it is Mike.    Its pretty cool and well worth the money in my opinion.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/CREATURE-FROM-THE-BLACK-LAGOON-BLOW-MOLDED-PLASTIC-FIGURE-MEXICO-/142540414257?hash=item2130121d31%3Ag%3ALnwAAOSwmkpZ4675&nma=true&si=OhwfK3A6U%252FRpllXlgK9L%252FrBRtBo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/CREATURE-FROM-THE-BLACK-LAGOON-BLOW-MOLDED-PLASTIC-FIGURE-MEXICO-/142540414257?hash=item2130121d31%3Ag%3ALnwAAOSwmkpZ4675&nma=true&si=OhwfK3A6U%252FRpllXlgK9L%252FrBRtBo%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 29, 2017, 08:08:33 AM
Adam, your picture of the REAL ebay bucket for 49 dollars, says 2016.    Did you win and find that auction?

That is an amazing find.    speaking of 49, I wouldn't pay 49 cents for the resins that are currently going thru the roof.     I can say at least the Orange resin has a decent paint job.   Possible airbrushed?

Yeah.  It was a Buy-It-Now listing.

I was sweating 'til it arrived. I was sure that there would be several buyers were trying to talk the seller into reneging on our deal.  Maybe he didn't get the requests until after he had mailed it.



It was my first of two great finds during the last year or so:

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http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31063.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31063.0)

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 29, 2017, 08:21:34 AM
Here it is Mike.    Its pretty cool and well worth the money in my opinion.

Doesn't seem that long ago you could get those for about 35 bocks!  I don't think I paid over that for mine?

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 29, 2017, 08:29:07 AM

It was my first of two great finds during the last year or so:

I don't see anything on that page.

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 29, 2017, 10:09:07 AM
I don't see anything on that page.

That's funny, the links works for me.

It was the 3rd post on that page.  I added the picture from it above.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 29, 2017, 08:29:07 AM

Yeah.  It was a Buy-It-Now listing.

I was sweating 'til it arrived. I was sure that there would be several buyers were trying to talk the seller into reneging on our deal.  Maybe he didn't get the requests until after he had mailed it.



Adam, were you sweating BUCKETS?    tee hee

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 29, 2017, 11:15:01 AM
I added the picture from it above.

Damn! A binder for 23 bucks!! I can't believe they had It as a BIN!

Do you remember if they seemed to think it was anything special?

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 29, 2017, 12:14:18 PM
Damn! A binder for 23 bucks!! I can't believe they had It as a BIN!

Do you remember if they seemed to think it was anything special?

They knew it was old - but evidently didn't think it was special.

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 29, 2017, 10:07:56 AM
Doesn't seem that long ago you could get those for about 35 bocks!  I don't think I paid over that for mine?

I bought my Mexican blowmold Creature a couple of years ago for around $120 and was glad to get one for that. I've had a saved eBay search for these things for awhile and they seldom ever show up for sale anymore. That's the real test of market scarcity these days. Most of that stuff sellers call "rare"  ::) these days isn't even scarce, it's just often expensive. If you can't go to eBay anytime and buy it even if you have deep pockets then it really is scarce. That's the stuff that the prices get crazy on if there's any real demand, and we know about the demand on UniMon stuff.

The price increases really sneak up on you if you aren't in the current struggle to buy something. I'm currently working on Bronze Age Horror comics to complete my runs and I'm a bit shocked at how much '70s Monster comics have increased over the last few years. 10-15 years ago one could buy mid-grade examples of common issues for a buck each or less, and high grade examples for a couple of bucks each. I hear tales of collectors getting lucky sometimes and finding this stuff in dollar boxes at cons but the reality is that those books have become more like $4-$5 items in mid-grade and $10-$30 items in high grade (or more). Same for Monster mags from the '60s/'70s. Thankfully I've already won most of those battles and now I'm just looking for Eerie Pubs and a few Stanleys (which I'm pretty sure I'll never own full runs of).

House Of Secrets #92 in FN could be bought for around $200 a couple of years ago. After Bernie Wrightson passed that book has quadrupled in value and keeps rising at a crazy pace. I think the popularity of comic book related movies have raised interest in comic collecting in the last decade. You Tube is full of comic "haul" videos. Looks like the back issue market is very popular again, maybe more so than ever. Yeah, prices really sneak up on you if you aren't currently "in the hunt".

I've just about given up on vintage stuff I don't already own. It's hard enough keeping up with the new/recent stuff!

He's baaaaaacccck.

see it doesnt make sense that the 2 resins are commanding so much money.

the guy is just making more

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Bucket-Head/182864168421?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140725133649%26meid%3D5997772826f944839567a626d434dd40%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D232534889948&_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Bucket-Head/182864168421?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140725133649%26meid%3D5997772826f944839567a626d434dd40%26pid%3D100276%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D232534889948&_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476)

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 30, 2017, 08:40:10 AM

the guy is just making more

So would I, as long as people are paying 500 bucks for them!  ;D

THIS is worth paying big bucks for.

The middle guy is the lamp I got from a very generous member for a trade.

its breathtaking and the bottom edge hole seems it could either be home sawn or factory since it sits fairly strait.     the hole has a thick edge to it so the lamp head is actually balancing on the neck/cut.

anyways happy to have these 3 examples, no resin here.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/908xug.jpg)

Now there's a fantastic sight Hugo, breathtaking and glad you managed to score the recent one to make for a perfect trilogy!

Ian

thanks Ian, I am a very happy Halloweener.

Happy Halloween everybody

Quote from: hugohernandez on October 30, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
Happy Halloween everybody

Happy Halloween in 10 minutes!  :)

10 minutes.  You are up late!   

this looks pretty dang cool.   I wonder what it is made of?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Head-Halloween-Lamp-Light-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232545515960?hash=item3624caf9b8:g:FqAAAOSwCQlZ-RmA (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Head-Halloween-Lamp-Light-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232545515960?hash=item3624caf9b8:g:FqAAAOSwCQlZ-RmA)

Quote from: hugohernandez on November 01, 2017, 04:58:34 PM
this looks pretty dang cool.   I wonder what it is made of?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Head-Halloween-Lamp-Light-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232545515960?hash=item3624caf9b8:g:FqAAAOSwCQlZ-RmA (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Head-Halloween-Lamp-Light-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232545515960?hash=item3624caf9b8:g:FqAAAOSwCQlZ-RmA)

Probably resin like the others he made.

He didn't continue the hair across the top opening - just plugged the hole.

Quote from: hugohernandez on November 01, 2017, 04:58:34 PM
this looks pretty dang cool.   I wonder what it is made of?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Head-Halloween-Lamp-Light-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232545515960?hash=item3624caf9b8:g:FqAAAOSwCQlZ-RmA (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Head-Halloween-Lamp-Light-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232545515960?hash=item3624caf9b8:g:FqAAAOSwCQlZ-RmA)

So this is the same seller as the $430 repro one he made.....you've got to wonder how long these will get pumped out, maybe in time we can all have one for $20  ;D

Ian

Ian, you are correct, same maker of the 420.00.
I asked if the lamp repro was resin, he said yes.   I had no idea resin was translucent?!?!?!?!?!?    and yet there is the proof.   

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 29, 2017, 01:35:23 PMI've just about given up on vintage stuff I don't already own. It's hard enough keeping up with the new/recent stuff!

And that's why I don't bother trying to keep up with the newer stuff.

:-\

Quote from: Mike Scott on October 30, 2017, 10:30:44 AMSo would I, as long as people are paying 500 bucks for them!  ;D

Insufficiently thoughtful people that is.

:-\

Quote from: Hepcat on November 02, 2017, 09:04:54 AM
And that's why I don't bother trying to keep up with the newer stuff.

:-\

I usually don't have a problem with the new stuff, as so little of it appeals to me...the Target stuff this year an exception. I honestly wasn't that nuts about the Target "dome scenes" (reminded me of Franklin Mint or something, but still bought them), but loved the talking Frankenstein head under the dome. Went and bought a second for 50% off!
I liked the rubber talking wall Frankenstein head also, though I guess it wasn't popular? Mummy head, too.
The little Screamers and the Creature costume were the hits of the year.

I don't know what to say
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/332435532205?hash=item4d66b3a9ad:g:2BgAAOSw-xVZ-84W (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/332435532205?hash=item4d66b3a9ad:g:2BgAAOSw-xVZ-84W)

Quote from: hugohernandez on November 03, 2017, 08:51:44 AM
I don't know what to say
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/332435532205?hash=item4d66b3a9ad:g:2BgAAOSw-xVZ-84W (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/332435532205?hash=item4d66b3a9ad:g:2BgAAOSw-xVZ-84W)

That's the Fort Wayne seller who is making copies of original heads.  He told us he would be making more.

This one looks a little better than the last one that sold for $430.00.  A little re-tooling could get rid of the extra mold line through the ears.

I wonder how the guy who bought the first one for 430.00 feels.

Quote from: hugohernandez on November 04, 2017, 08:26:16 AM
I wonder how the guy who bought the first one for 430.00 feels.

I wonder about the guy who bought the copy of the copy from the Burbank seller for $560.00 is feeling.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on November 04, 2017, 09:29:36 AM
I wonder about the guy who bought the copy of the copy from the Burbank seller for $560.00 is feeling.

Like he swallowed a bucket of nuts and bolts.   Like he got hit by lightning, right where it hurts, in the electrodes!    Like he was taken apart and sewed back together.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on November 04, 2017, 09:29:36 AM
I wonder about the guy who bought the copy of the copy from the Burbank seller for $560.00 is feeling.

I'm still struggling to believe this sale actually went through, I wouldn't be surprised if it gets resisted at some point.

Ian

Quote from: monsterjoe on October 27, 2017, 07:33:53 PM
I don't know if anyone has been watching but the insanity is spreading.....Frankenstein Pencil Sharpener 566.00....Blow mold Creature 240.00 Really.....wow!! But if you REALLY want to see CRAZY, check out what the Renzi Halloween Skull Buckets are selling for Lately. In the past month a yellow one sold for 160.00, A red and purple both sold for........$250.00 each. Now that's F**king INSANE!!!!!

This is also somewhat insane...(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171106/b6a9c6799a074587dea1156bc1a8069e.jpg)

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Quote from: zman1981 on November 06, 2017, 09:17:39 AM
This is also somewhat insane... 

I found one of those in 2013 for about $28.00.  Seemed like a lot then, but I knew it was unusual:

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on May 25, 2013, 07:54:03 PM

Here is a small find - but an unusual one.  I have seen only one other like it on eBay.

This 4½" can holder was a Universal Studios park exclusive.  It was made by Fun Designs, Inc. and is licensed by Universal.  This one was purchased in the park in the late 1980's.  Unlike most soft foam insulated soda can holders, this is made of a firmer, double-walled rubber with no insulating material between the walls.


(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5343/8834672902_c7275c337d_z.jpg)


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3711/8834672130_390b8b3c7b_z.jpg)


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3774/8834671252_20e2baa2a1_z.jpg)


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3828/8834669010_fb37c4e9d5_z.jpg)


(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5454/8834667050_a5c306bde2_z.jpg)


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(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7352/8834663246_e06c8bfaa4_z.jpg)


Forgive me for posting so many views.  I just thought that many of you might not know this even exists.

I have seen more buckets than these can cozies since then.  Don't see that they are worth a hundred bucks, though.

Maybe the buyer thought the 1959 movie copyright renewal date was when the item was actually produced?

Quote from: zman1981 on November 06, 2017, 09:17:39 AM
This is also somewhat insane...
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171106/b6a9c6799a074587dea1156bc1a8069e.jpg)
...

It is completely insane. 

looks to me that someone (or ones), thought this was actually made in 1959. I guess if you can't be bothered to do the research then it's your own fault.....either that or these really are commanding this sort of price in today's market.

Ian

someone should list their real clinton frankenbucket to see if it'll break 2k or something...

1...2...3..GO!

not it.

ok, for real though.
if a phony buckethead can fetch 500 bucks then what would a real nice one get if it was thrown into an auction format?


the holey lamp hit almost 9 hundred right? and then there was that real buckethead that sat on ebay with a $1300 starting bid or something & no one went for it...

ive got my popcorn ready to watch the show if a real one shows up anytime soon.

I have a mint out of a case bucket head. $5000 and it's sold.  😃

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on November 04, 2017, 09:29:36 AM
I wonder about the guy who bought the copy of the copy from the Burbank seller for $560.00 is feeling.

Well, he paid immediately and received it and a lot of other goodies two days later -- the day before Halloween.  He left very nice feedback for me on ebay and seemed happy.

There was no shill bidding and I resent the suggestion of it.  Also not real pleased with the misrepresenting (from some here) of what I was selling.  Beware, take care!

Quote from: Dr. Jitters on November 08, 2017, 10:44:55 AM
Well, he paid immediately and received it and a lot of other goodies two days later -- the day before Halloween.  He left very nice feedback for me on ebay and seemed happy.

There was no shill bidding and I resent the suggestion of it.  Also not real pleased with the misrepresenting (from some here) of what I was selling.  Beware, take care!

Well done for getting so much for a copy, amazing that someone would pay so much but it shows it was worth doing. As for 'Beware' though, seems a bit threatening to me and unnecessary, I'm not sure if you thought this item would achieve anywhere near the amount it went for so I think it's fair enough that people wondered about the whole thing. Good to be set straight though and best of luck with any others that you produce.

Ian

Quote from: Dr. Jitters on November 08, 2017, 10:44:55 AM
... Beware, take care! 

Caveat emptor.

I see more sense in buying a perfect repro, reasonably priced, than paying a grand for a beat, holely, faded original. These things NICE were going for about $300-$500 a couple of years ago, and now a beater commands $1000? Just...no.

Quote from: Monster Bob on November 08, 2017, 04:37:40 PM
I see more sense in buying a perfect repro, reasonably priced, than paying a grand for a beat, holely, faded original. These things NICE were going for about $300-$500 a couple of years ago, and now a beater commands $1000? Just...no.

I disagree about the perfect repro.  Its still a repro.  And I love my beat up holey faded originals.   ORIGINALs.   Thats good enough for me and money well spent in my humble opinion.

so..... yes.

Just saying, many monster fans can't or won't justify the $1000.
At least ithe resin doorstop is an alternative for people. Am I for an exact copy in plastic? I vote no. But spending a couple hundred on a resin copy isn't that wacky. Look what garage kits in resin retail for.

Maybe, just maybe at $100 (although $60 feels about right), $550 though is beyond a pass for me although each to their own.

Ian

Quote from: Monster Bob on November 09, 2017, 08:31:34 AM
... Am I for an exact copy in plastic? I vote no. ... 

I'd be OK with an EXACT duplicate - as long as it was done in a different color plastic.

As always, price would be determined by the market - regardless of what any individual thinks it should cost.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on November 09, 2017, 10:02:13 AM
I'd be OK with an EXACT duplicate - as long as it was done in a different color plastic.

But then, it wouldn't be an exact duplicate.  ;D

The crappy plastic and orange color were terrible choices to show sculpted detail. Probably why they shot green paint on it.

Quote from: Mike Scott on November 09, 2017, 12:13:44 PM
But then, it wouldn't be an exact duplicate.  ;D

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't believe the resin copies are commanding into the hundreds!!!   202 for the bucket, 280 for the lamp, and a 142 for an unpainted bucket.

thats redonkulus.

hee haw.

Well, at least its very colorful, and quite impressive, but still.... sigh.       If you the seller are reading this thread, why don't you attach the handle?  is it because resin is too fragile for punching holes, etc?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232562553622?hash=item3625cef316:g:qLcAAOSw8b1aC7e9 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Monster-Halloween-Candy-Bucket-Pail-Vintage-Style-Reproduction/232562553622?hash=item3625cef316:g:qLcAAOSw8b1aC7e9)

Quote from: hugohernandez on November 15, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
is it because resin is too fragile for punching holes, etc?

You'd have to drill.

Wouldn't it be interesting to see what member dirtyhorse Dan could do with one of these things?

I'm sure he would sharpen up the detail a bit before painting.

Quote from: hugohernandez on November 15, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
Well, at least its very colorful, and quite impressive, but still.... sigh.       If you the seller are reading this thread, why don't you attach the handle?  is it because resin is too fragile for punching holes, etc?

What this person has is a copy of a Speaker Head.....The Hole in the top of the buckets is bigger than on the the speaker heads which would be much more noticeable if attached.......Maybe that's why.

"Beware, take care..." is a line Lugosi gives in Glen or Glenda.

Take care.

check this out.   I wonder if its safe or if the plastic would get hot arund the light bulb area?   https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Lamp-19/232569626124?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49477%26meid%3Df57f7dfdef3146e3b8f4169de36befb1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D232562553622&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Lamp-19/232569626124?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49477%26meid%3Df57f7dfdef3146e3b8f4169de36befb1%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D232562553622&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850)

It's Safe enough.....but you could make your own for the cost of the opening bid.....Buy the kit, Buy a cord, Drill a hole = LAMP WOW!!

The Fort Wayne bucket reproducer has started making the speaker heads now.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4551/38741966861_c70fb65ec0_c.jpg)


Here is the listing:

https://tinyurl.com/ybpfslmd

I now have two speaker head reproductions (one is destined as a Christmas or birthday gift for my twin brother forum member Ghost) from the "Ft. Wayne" Ebay seller (friendly guy, no problems with either transaction), and I can say they are very beautiful and have a ton of detail including the U.P. Co. trademark stamp on one side near the neck. I have always wanted this Glenn Strange mold (the holy grail monster item for me) even if it was just a repro, as I probably will never find a bucket or speaker I could actually afford or get lucky in my area.
We argued about the merits of repros ad nausem some time back in another bucket thread, I don't mean to rehash that, but I sure am glad he did it. He said he is out of the orange materials that he sold as "bucket" reproductions a while back, and the green "speaker" reproduction cast is the exact same.
I wonder how he is making these, clearly he has access to a superior mold, with great detailing unlike the recast of the 1980's (itself recast) speaker that popped up fairly recently as well that looked nearly smooth lacking the detail. I wonder just how close these are to the original Clinton bucket, lamp, speaker mold? Obviously these have a second mold line perpendicular to the original but otherwise look exactly like all the photos I have ever seen. I unfortunately don't have an original for comparison but I am more than curious, there appears to be very faint lettering running vertical in the hair on the back in the middle. Are there words here on an original Clinton monster head (bucket/speaker/lamp)?

Does anyone know what happened to the Clinton original molds? Could it be? How would he have made a faithful copy if it isn't?
Besides various sized hole cuts for the speaker in the back, the candy bucket in the top or the neck piece stand for the lamp are there any differences at all in the originals or could it be all the same mold? Do certain surface flaws appear on all versions or even all buckets?
They are much heavier I imagine than an original blow-mold bucket or speaker as they are resin, but are still fairly light. I like the darker green color very much and am absolutely not painting mine. Besides having an original bucket that has the awesome green/orange faded paint scheme that is very appealing I think the color is near perfect. Especially for a repro. I am too young for any nostalgia from an original piece and never owned one or know anyone personally who has, but I have always very much admired the vintage style of the piece. These repros are perfect for me.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/rDkAAOSwYcRe0xRl/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WDQAAOSwjo9e0xRn/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3P8AAOSwOINe0xRr/s-l1600.jpg)
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(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/dcQAAOSw6IFe0xRt/s-l1600.jpg)
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/EL0AAOSw6Spe0xRv/s-l1600.jpg)
pics are from Ebay and they won't last long unless someone saves them.

Quote from: ravenloft on June 24, 2020, 06:34:04 PM
...   I wonder how he is making these, clearly he has access to a superior mold, with great detailing unlike the recast of the 1980's (itself recast) speaker that popped up fairly recently as well that looked nearly smooth lacking the detail. I wonder just how close these are to the original Clinton bucket, lamp, speaker mold? Obviously these have a second mold line perpendicular to the original but otherwise look exactly like all the photos I have ever seen. I unfortunately don't have an original for comparison but I am more than curious, there appears to be very faint lettering running vertical in the hair on the back in the middle. Are there words here on an original Clinton monster head (bucket/speaker/lamp)? ... 

Boy, that MUST be a great mold.  I can barely see the neck lettering on my original bucket and speaker head.  I can't read what it says on either one of them.  And I was directly under a "natural" light lamp with a magnifying glass, moving it all the time, trying to catch just the right angle.

The lettering looks sharper on the speaker head, even though it has a coat of fairly thick black paint, and the bucket neck has no paint at all.  Makes me wonder...  were the speaker heads produced first?

One thing looks apparent.  I think the lines were clearer at one time.  Then they were crudely filed away from the original mold - like the folks at Clinton changed their minds at some point mid-production.

I would be interested if anyone has an early cast with legible writing.

I don't see any writing on any of those photos.

Quote from: Mike Scott on June 24, 2020, 08:50:26 PM
I don't see any writing on any of those photos.

It's not on any of those photos.  It's on the nape of the neck, just under the hairline. 

I don't think I can photograph it.  It is REALLY small and shallow.  It also need to be seen from several angles to get an idea of it at all.  It is also incomplete and has been deliberately obscured on the original mold.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 22, 2017, 01:39:36 PM

  I have no problem with someone making a faithful copy of an original in some other color plastic - green comes to mind.

I really don't think of vintage toys as being sacred or investment properties.  Besides, copies are made of famous original oil paintings all the time - doesn't seem to lower their value much.

Exactly.  I love my green repro frankenheads, I may get too fond of them to give one to my brother after all

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on June 24, 2020, 08:55:26 PM
I don't think I can photograph it. 

Don't worry about it. I just thought I wasn't seeing what everyone else was seeing.  ;D

Quote from: ravenloft on June 24, 2020, 06:34:04 PM
(. . my twin brother, forum member Ghost)

Cool! I didn't know we had twin members!  :)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50042555761_34eac0409a_o.jpg)

He was taking about vertically, in the rear seam.

I don't see it.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on June 24, 2020, 10:29:03 PM
I don't see it.

Me needer!

the © U.P. Co. stands for Universal Pictures Company is clear as day on the green repro just below and behind the left bolt on the neckline
somewhere in the old bucket posts someone mentioned it being different from the Universal Studios we are all used to, so it must be on the Clinton originals as U.P. Co. as well
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50042813912_bf65a9fef3_o.jpg)



The "lettering" in the hair is vertical along the seam on the back of the head but I can't quite make it out but it certainly looks like lettering to me if I squint and turn it back and forth, just below the flashing in this photo
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50042555761_34eac0409a_o.jpg)



Twin Frankenhead reproductions for twin monster fans
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50042555756_1c6ee7306f_o.jpg)



Paperback novel for scale
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50042555721_e140d782a2_o.jpg)

The originals do have the "© U.P. Co.", just like your copies.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on June 24, 2020, 08:37:15 PM
The lettering looks sharper on the speaker head, even though it has a coat of fairly thick black paint, and the bucket neck has no paint at all.  Makes me wonder...  were the speaker heads produced first?

One thing looks apparent.  I think the lines were clearer at one time.  Then they were crudely filed away from the original mold - like the folks at Clinton changed their minds at some point mid-production.

I would be interested if anyone has an early cast with legible writing.

A plausible theory could be:
the speaker mold [a] came first with crisp copyright lettering, small speaker top opening and sharp detail painting, and as the mold wore out the top hole got larger/more ragged so they cut it bigger and put a candy pail strap on it to sell as buckets with some cheap paint sprayed on, then the mold got really worn out so they tried making solid top "lamps" by top plating the mold and adding a base [c] late in the lifespan of the company which is why those are the least seen...and some of those warped and tilted so we get the sawed off "lamp" version [d] last.

Are any of the lamps painted in the yellow/green overspray like the pink and orange buckets? What color plastic are the speaker heads (are they green or painted that way?)

I have never understood what company put out the speaker and exactly how they were associated with Clinton Plastics of Hoboken, New Jersey...did they sell their mold to Clinton?
Did they buy the plastic parts of their speaker from Clinton?
are any of them the same mold(s) bucket, lamp or speaker?
Where and what happened to the original mold(s)?
Has anyone successfully used their google-fu to track down a history or company info or find someone who worked there on these? 1964 isn't that long ago, someone is still alive and knows something.
Who gets credit for the sculpt we all love?
Or at least who sold them at retail and can give us some more solid answers about how/when/where these products were made and sold back then?
Before Ebay, Worthpoint, Etsy, and the rest of the internet how did these get noticed by the monster collector scene except the seemingly few who were original owners?
What is the earliest traced source for these? I know the speaker at least had printed ads, what about the buckets?

I wonder what the actual distribution areas and production numbers were on any of the Glenn Strange plastic franken-heads.

My speaker head is green plastic.  The skin is unpainted.

Only paint is Black eye eyes and hair, red scars and lips.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48771844662_20e162bdd8_b.jpg)

Some other speakers have painted skin, a little lighter green, usually badly peeled.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on June 25, 2020, 01:08:40 AM
My speaker head is green plastic.  The skin is unpainted.

Only paint is Black eye eyes and hair, red scars and lips.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48771844662_20e162bdd8_b.jpg)

Some other speakers have painted skin, a little lighter green, usually badly peeled.

Wow! These are wonderful

Love that yellow frankenstein. My speaker head is green plastic with black, red and light green paint...

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4298/35523888800_08e6221443_4k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/W88dvo)Frankenstein Speaker Head ( Actwell Plastics 1964 ) (https://flic.kr/p/W88dvo) by donald deveau (https://www.flickr.com/photos/124856366(*at*)N04/), on Flickr

Quote from: Monolith on June 25, 2020, 02:41:36 PM
Love that yellow frankenstein. My speaker head is green plastic with black, red and light green paint... 

Thanks.

Nice painted speaker.  Hard to find speakers these days.  Anyone who has one doesn't want to sell.

As with this mold,  I used to work on and set up Van Dorn molding machines many years ago when I worked for a company called Penn-Optical here in Reading.  I set up the machines for plastic eye glass frames.  These molding machines were huge, and the steel dies were extremely heavy always in 2 parts, bolted together, requiring me to use a tow motor and chain to lift them over to the molding machine.  It was quite the process and usually hard work.  You can get an idea of what these machines looked like if you ever saw photo's of people working them,  such as maybe inside pictures of Aurora or other model companies with the workers opening up the doors and pulling out the parts still attached to the trees as it came out.   One must remember that each product being made had it's own set of specifics,  that being the pressure used to close the dies, the injection amount of plastic commonly known as the shot, all of which could mean the detail on the finished piece, the amount of flashing, etc. could vary quite a bit.  Also, most of the 2 piece dies usually had anywhere from 6 up to 12 frames per shot, meaning more than 1 eyeglass frame was produced at a time.  Just maybe,  the same would have been for the Frankenstein mold, more than 1 image in the entire die.  Any deviation of the shot or amount of plastic and the pressure used to inject would result in a very sharp piece with all detail showing,  or possible excess flashing,  or even the finished piece being more smooth in appearance if the shot or pressure was backed off a bit. 

Quote from: ravenloft on June 24, 2020, 06:34:04 PMpics are from Ebay and they won't last long unless someone saves them.

Since you clearly really like the speaker heads, why would you not be saving the pictures yourself as well? They're really good quality images.

???

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on June 24, 2020, 11:28:54 PM
The originals do have the "© U.P. Co.", just like your copies.

Yes that's true; I've owned 3 buckets and believe it was legible on all 3. 

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This one sold for $1,025 and it's simply beautiful. Strap intact and paint seems almost completely unworn. Strong mold line down the front though.  Near mint as any I have ever seen. Another Pennsylvania seller. Seems like that state has the lion's share of Clinton Plastics Franken-finds.

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The Clinton Frankenstein lamp is still up for 5,000. Seems no one is biting at that price, it's been up for several months. (I guess it's ok to post current offers if they aren't going anywhere? I didn't post a link.)
So clearly the ceiling for a Clinton frank is somewhere North of 1,000 but well under 5,000. Too bad I don't have 5 grand to blow.

A couple of Speakers are still up too, have been for a long while but asking 3k plus and they aren't selling either.
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I wonder if any of those up would immediately sell in the 2k range?
It's crazy to even think about that a .59 cent plastic novelty item from 1964 (for the bucket) now sells for several hundreds if not over a thousand dollars US.  the original asking price for a speaker was 4.95 plus 60 cents shipping according to a vintage ad. I know that they have been sold complete in box in excess of 8,000 for the speaker. anyone know what a lamp originally sold for?

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apparently I missed this one altogether that was cracked down the back and missing the strap, but still went for $545. I like the paint better on the top one, this one seems rather plain.


Without the luck of finding a crazy "buy it now" price like some fortunate members here, or the find of a lifetime yard sale, curb trash heap or estate find in the Eastern half of the country, I don't think these (even in terrible condition) will show up for less than $500 for an original much any more. I still wish I had an original. Anybody here wanna part with their spare bucket for $500?


Alas I can only dream. Meanwhile I purchased another quality repro from the repro seller in Fort Wayne, Indiana, this time in orange and "bucket style" even though it's the exact same mold as his speaker repro, but includes a pail strap.
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I now have three: two greens and an orange. I am pleased with the products. Now I have a repro green "speaker" and an repro orange "bucket." my twin plans on painting his repro green "speaker" head.  I say heresy to that, but once I give it to him (IF) I guess it's his to do what he wants, and the original speakers were crudely painted. Would you paint the repros to match the originals or leave them?
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Seems like there still are quite a few pop up new threads from time to time on this subject, any way they can all be joined forever like stitched-together corpse limbs?
Perhaps we can dig up the even older dead threads for our electrical experiments too? Moderator Mike?
It would be nice to have all of the beautiful pictures of these and the reference thread commentary all in one place...which is why I stole all these pictures from Ebay so they would be preserved here. Perhaps even pin the combined thread to the top?

Each Clinton Frankenstein whether a bucket, a lamp or a speaker seems to be rather unique looking and worthy of at least a photo here. I just can't stop looking at pictures of these; the perfect UM collectible vintage art piece.


Links to some of the many threads here on buckets, lamps, and speakers (just in the last 15 pages):
Clinton Frankenstein bucket
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31868.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31868.0)
1964 FRANKENSTEIN GLENN STRANGE BLOW MOLD HALLOWEEN CANDY BUCKET PAIL UNION
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=34842.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=34842.0)
1960's Glenn Strange Blow-Mold Frankenstein Halloween Candy Bucket
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=34404.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=34404.0)
Glenn Strange Candy bucket Question
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=18596.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=18596.0)
Frankenbucket Paint Variations
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=30950.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=30950.0)
Glenn Strange Halloween Bucket
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31612.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=31612.0)
The Frankenstein Head Speaker Thread
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=2033.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=2033.0)
Glenn Strange Halloween Bucket
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=32441.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=32441.0)
Frankenstein Speaker Dimensions
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=32982.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=32982.0)
Frankenstein Radio speaker on ebay
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=29670.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=29670.0)
I found the Frankenstein monster speaker. Can anyone tell me about it?
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=29383.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=29383.0)
Frankenstein blowmold lamp
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=29007.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=29007.0)
60's Frankenstein Candy Bucket Auction
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=28026.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=28026.0)
Thats a little more like it! G. Strange Candy Bucket
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=28110.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=28110.0)
Frankenstein Monster Speaker
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=27848.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=27848.0)
FRANKENSTEIN SPEAKER HEAD...US $4,650.00
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=27468.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=27468.0)
Clinton Plastics Frankenstein Halloween Bucket
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=26339.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=26339.0)
1960s Clinton Plastics Glen Strange Frankenstein Halloween Candy Bucket
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23581.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=23581.0)   
Frankenstein Speaker pulled?!
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=24655.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=24655.0)   
Reproduction Frankenstein Speaker Head Sells for $510.00
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=20498.0 (http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=20498.0)

Good work looking up and posting the links to the other threads!

8)

Ravenloft,  great work here with showing interest and enthusiasm with this item.  It is the best of both worlds, monster and Halloween combined.  With many collectors (me included), there seems to be a bit of a cross-over with monster items and Halloween items,  I look for both, but at this time of the year, Halloween takes over.  I have owned many of these over the years,  and you are correct, here in PA. I have seen quite a few.   But, like anything else, not any more.  Seems as though there was a find made of these, not sure how many were found, but I don't think it was excessive.  I remember having a half dozen at one time,  picking them up here and there at flea markets and toy shows,  highest I paid back then in the early 90's was around a hundred dollars,  I liked them so much I picked up every one I saw when I could.   One time here at the Leesport flea market,  in Hamburg,  not too far away from me,  out in the field, I saw a vendor that had one on her table,  I ran over and picked it up, missing the strap,  with a hole in the bottom from the original owner who put it over a light for Halloween,  but really nice looking,  for 2 bucks!!  That bucket still sits on top of my computer tower with a light under it.     As for the lamp that has been listed now for a while,  it honestly isn't in the best shape with the colors being rough looking, maybe that's why it isn't moving,  but hell yes,  it's still rare.   I think you see more speaker heads than the lamp to be honest.   The two speaker heads currently listed on e-bay now seem nice,  the one with the box has the original instruction sheet along with the pads to put under it,  if the box would be all original (it seems to have some restoration to it),  it just might have sold by now.    The box is so much rarer than the toy itself.   Over the years, especially in the last few,  I've seen these pieces just explode in price,  with no slowing down,  unless you get real lucky.  Same thing seems to be happening now with certain Halloween blow molds on e-bay,  some of them are now going for quite a few bucks,  not like years ago when they were dirt cheap.  Same goes for other Halloween items also. 

Quote from: ravenloft on October 24, 2020, 08:18:01 PMSeems like there still are quite a few pop up new threads from time to time on this subject, any way they can all be joined forever like stitched-together corpse limbs?
Perhaps we can dig up the even older dead threads for our electrical experiments too? Moderator Mike?
It would be nice to have all of the beautiful pictures of these and the reference thread commentary all in one place...which is why I stole all these pictures from Ebay so they would be preserved here.

That would be naught but an exercise in frustration. For whatever reason some posters are inclined to start a new thread at the drop of a hat despite the existence of really good existing threads on the topic.

:-\

Several years ago somebody posted a picture of a Clinton Frankenstein bucket they owned that was much closer to a pink colour than an orange. I've not been able to re-locate the pic though.

:-\

Quote from: Hepcat on January 17, 2021, 10:32:40 PM
Several years ago somebody posted a picture of a Clinton Frankenstein bucket they owned that was much closer to a pink colour than an orange. I've not been able to re-locate the pic though. 

Someone had one on the bottom shelf of a cabinet with another, more usual, orange color - and maybe a third.  It was either in a discussion of buckets or one of the Show Your Monster Rooms posts.

Seems like a long time ago.  Maybe it was victim of the Photobucket purge?

Quote from: skully on October 25, 2020, 02:10:59 AM
Over the years, especially in the last few,  I've seen these pieces just explode in price,  with no slowing down,  unless you get real lucky.  Same thing seems to be happening now with certain Halloween blow molds on e-bay,  some of them are now going for quite a few bucks,  not like years ago when they were dirt cheap.  Same goes for other Halloween items also.

I've noticed these price increases on the Halloween blow molds as well. It seems the haunted house blow molds have shot up the most, but even the common various JOL blow molds (like the pumpkin/scarecrow) have gotten a bit more expensive on average. This is happening on a large scale with genre collectibles, steady increases on most of them, and large increases on certain high-demand pieces. I think much of these price increases has to do with the increased exposure the collectibles are getting in this time of media saturation. Decades ago collectors could go years without even knowing about certain pieces, but now with the internet, eBay, and social media, even scarce collectibles (like the Frank bucket this thread features) are common knowledge to collectors and they are posted everywhere stoking the feeding frenzy to own them. UMA has fed this phenomenon for years as collectors used it to post and discuss favorite collectibles, and UMA sees minuscule traffic compared to most outlets. This pricing trend is ingrained into the collectibles market. As time advances so do collectibles values, so time becomes the enemy of collectors with meager funds still looking for their favorite pieces. But, time is the ally of long-time collectors who already have most of it including dupes to cash in on. The longer a collector waits the more they'll spend. Get it ASAP if you can afford it.

Quote from: horrorhunter on January 18, 2021, 10:28:45 AMThis pricing trend is ingrained into the collectibles market. As time advances so do collectibles values, so time becomes the enemy of collectors with meager funds still looking for their favorite pieces. But, time is the ally of long-time collectors who already have most of it including dupes to cash in on. The longer a collector waits the more they'll spend. Get it ASAP if you can afford it.

I only agree to a certain extent. Time has been the enemy of monster collectors over the last 35 years. But time will now become a friend to those hard core collectors who die last. Quite simply the explosion in the prices of toys and other collectibles from the 1950's to the 1970's is a baby boom phenomenon with its roots in nostalgia for those halcyon years. It will therefore wane and then reverse as baby boomers die off and their collections are dumped by their disinterested heirs.

:-\

There may be enough younger people interested in older collectibles to maintain/increase market demand. Since there are a limited number of older collectibles to be traded it wouldn't take many newer collectors to carry on. I think heightened media exposure of older collectibles has a lot of younger collectors interested in them. Time will tell.

A few different schools of thought here on this subject,  and both should be looked at.  I mentioned before about many older type toys such as cast iron pieces, or tin toys,especially older wind-ups from old comic characters made by early Marx,  and other pieces from the 20's, 30's, and maybe a bit later.  These are all still good toys, but honestly,  I'm not seeking them out,  the desire is just not there for them,  I'm the typical 66 year old baby boomer looking for toys of my time when I was young.  Cycles exist with collectibles, and yes, many factors today can put certain pieces on the map, such as the increase in prices with these Halloween blow-molds, monster toys, model kits,etc.  Hopefully the younger crowd will keep the monster craze alive and well, I kind of think that with the current situation with people being at home more now,  more people are looking at sites such as e-bay, and others, and have more time to access pieces, making buying more competitive, with the people that actually have the extra cash to purchase.  It just really makes me shake my head when I think of my last effort at my booth back in 2014, I had dozens of Halloween blow-molds, and it was like pulling teeth trying to get between 10 and 20 bucks for them, but now I see them on e-bay selling for over a hundred dollars in some cases.  It makes me want to go back and tell some of these hard-sell people to buy it on e-bay if they don't like my now give-away price!!  If I ever get another booth,  that's the mentality I'll have.

Well,  with this talk on different views on monster toy prices,  here's some proof that at least for now, monster pieces are holding their own and look at the number of bids already--item# 324456080452.

Quote from: skully on January 18, 2021, 06:12:12 PMIt just really makes me shake my head when I think of my last effort at my booth back in 2014, I had dozens of Halloween blow-molds, and it was like pulling teeth trying to get between 10 and 20 bucks for them, but now I see them on e-bay selling for over a hundred dollars in some cases.  It makes me want to go back and tell some of these hard-sell people to buy it on e-bay if they don't like my now give-away price!!  If I ever get another booth,  that's the mentality I'll have.

Keep in mind that there can be and often is a vast gap between initial asking prices on Ebay and the actual selling prices realized.

:-\

Hep, some of those pieces I've been bidding on, they really are selling that high now!

So,  I wonder who bought the briefly listed Creature game?  Rare piece,  complete,  but so-so box.

Back in the '80s I started collecting "older" toys (which weren't that old then) like robots and monsters, tin plate GI Joes and Barbies.  I've seen prices drop for character toys, dolls, tin toys, steel plate... and continue to rise for monsters... and robots.  It mattered then what was any toy made of... tin, iron, steel plate?  Or is it plastic, rubber, wooden?  It was in the '80s collectors started to think of not what a toy was made of, but WHAT IS IT? 

Allhallowsday, true.  I,  you,  and everyone else observed the shift.  Older dealers at the toy shows were really taking notice of what was selling for what.  Some still had a hard time acknowledging that plastic was selling better that steel or cast iron pieces.  It was just another sure sign of the upcoming cycle.  The Toy Shop newspaper, the Toy Scouts magazine and price catalog he produced helped fuel the monster craze along with the model kit boom. I remember the days of the Kit Collectors Clearinghouse club I belonged to.

Quote from: skully on January 21, 2021, 05:42:01 PMAllhallowsday, true.  I,  you,  and everyone else observed the shift.  Older dealers at the toy shows were really taking notice of what was selling for what.  Some still had a hard time acknowledging that plastic was selling better that steel or cast iron pieces.

Demographics. The toys baby boomers remembered from their childhood years took over as the most highly prized from the tinplate toys that the older generation had cherished as kids. Now as baby boomers pass retirement age demand for their toys will slowly but steadily wane.

:-\

Hep,  I don't know about that,  I'm past retirement age by a bit, and I'm still looking.  And, so are others,  I'm quite sure there are a few "older" members here on this site that still avidly search out pieces, as well as post and check this site out.  How old was the person who bought the Creature game?  I don't know but all I do know is that the person really wanted it badly to pay that for the shape it was in.  If prices are waning,  I've yet to see it.  Sure, every once in a while someone gets lucky with purchasing something sought after for a good or cheap price, and it's the thrill of the hunt that keeps a lot of us looking.  If it was a younger person that bought that game,  it shows that there is still interest with classic monster toys.  If it was an older person,  it also shows that interest in monster toys are still alive and well.  For me,  I'd much rather look at a nice speaker head in an original box as opposed to looking at a pressed steel truck!!

Hep,  also,  I saw that Creature game right away when it was listed,  and if it would have been in much better shape,  I  would have sprung for it.

Quote from: skully on January 21, 2021, 07:35:02 PM
Hep,  I don't know about that,  I'm past retirement age by a bit, and I'm still looking.  And, so are others,  I'm quite sure there are a few "older" members here on this site that still avidly search out pieces, as well as post and check this site out.  How old was the person who bought the Creature game?  I don't know but all I do know is that the person really wanted it badly to pay that for the shape it was in.  If prices are waning,  I've yet to see it.  Sure, every once in a while someone gets lucky with purchasing something sought after for a good or cheap price, and it's the thrill of the hunt that keeps a lot of us looking.  If it was a younger person that bought that game,  it shows that there is still interest with classic monster toys.  If it was an older person,  it also shows that interest in monster toys are still alive and well.  For me,  I'd much rather look at a nice speaker head in an original box as opposed to looking at a pressed steel truck!!

I agree, skully.

Prices obviously keep rising on monster items. I bought all four MPC Pop-Top 2-packs in 2001 at Monster Bash for $150 for the set, and now the 2-packs seem to sell for $500-$1K each (and sometimes with brittle figures inside). The Halloween blow molds we discussed earlier, monster toys from the '60s through the '80s, even newer items like the Sideshow figures sell for many times what they sold for new.

Eventually the old collectors dying off thing may cause a drop in demand and prices, but with the attention given to classic collectibles by social media these days many newer collectors become interested, so the demand for these items may remain or even increase. As Allhallowsday pointed out, it doesn't matter about what material the toy is made of but rather what character or genre it's of. Horror/Monster stuff has been popular for the last 60 years, and it should continue to be for the next several years (for our lifetimes anyway). I think the prices for Monster items will continue to rise for the foreseeable future. Past that I won't be around to observe it.

Horrorhunter, yes.  I think monster toy prices will stay relatively strong, especially for the more classic pieces that are hard to find now a days.  But,  you sometimes have the other end of the spectrum, such as this totally absurd idiotic listing for this piece, it's been on a while, and the mentality here,  or lack of it,  totally escapes me. Item # 323853713590.

Quote from: skully on January 23, 2021, 08:27:50 PM
. . . such as this totally absurd idiotic listing for this piece . . .

Anybody with that kind of money to burn is gonna want a MIB example.

Hi Mike.  Yea,  and I doubt that a MIB example would bring that anyway,  even now, or, at least I don't think so. Believe me,  I constantly kick myself for not at least holding on to at least one MIB example of this piece when I had several lying around when they were found!!  Damn!!

Quote from: skully on January 23, 2021, 08:27:50 PMBut,  you sometimes have the other end of the spectrum, such as this totally absurd idiotic listing for this piece, it's been on a while, and the mentality here,  or lack of it,  totally escapes me. Item # 323853713590.

But that's tuttle3219. I don't think he's ever sold anything. He just lists things at idiotic prices. Like I say, if Ebay would charge a per diem/week/whatever listing fee at some nominal percentage of the B.I.N. price, that kind of silliness would stop.

;)

Hi Hep.  Well, he does have a feedback rating,  so, he must probably sell at least some items.  But, as with the example I cited, and, some other pieces that this seller has,  to me just boarders on sheer lunacy!!

Quote from: skully on January 23, 2021, 08:27:50 PM
Horrorhunter, yes.  I think monster toy prices will stay relatively strong, especially for the more classic pieces that are hard to find now a days.  But,  you sometimes have the other end of the spectrum, such as this totally absurd idiotic listing for this piece, it's been on a while, and the mentality here,  or lack of it,  totally escapes me. Item # 323853713590.

This was an insane listing for $35,000 for a 1964 Horrorscope Movie Viewer, for anyone reading this a year from now.

This is Tuttle's description:

Quote from: tuttle3219 - Ebaythis lot has the "Original" horror scope in great shape and works! comes with 4 movies Frankenstein, Dracula, Creature from the black lagoon and the curse of the werewolf made by Multiple in 1964. ultra rare!

The Horrorscope is not "rare" let alone ultra rare in that condition by any stretch of the imagination. The definition of "rare" that has been the collecting industry's generally accepted standard for nearly fifty years is from the Overstreet Price Guide:

Quote from: OverstreetRARE - 10-20 copies estimated to exist.

cl:)

Quote from: Hepcat on January 24, 2021, 12:12:06 PM
This is Tuttle's description:

The Horrorscope is not "rare" let alone ultra rare in that condition by any stretch of the imagination. The definition of "rare" that has been the collecting industry's generally accepted standard for nearly fifty years is from the Overstreet Price Guide:

cl:)

Sellers call everything "rare" these days. The word has lost it's meaning regarding seller-hype.

This listing for the MPC Horrorscope is ridiculous, of course, as are many of this guy's listings, but as much of a MPC Monster fan as I am I wouldn't pay anywhere near what Horrorscopes are actually selling for these days. The only way I'll ever own one is if I find it at a fraction of current market value (which isn't likely). The packaging is the coolest thing about it imo. I like the MPC figures and small playsets like the Haunted Hulk and Horror House Target Set much more. And, if I had a MIP Horrorscope it's one of the very few monster toys I'd cash in on.

The last time I saw a Horrorscope for sale was about 5 years ago at a Morphy's auction, located along "antique row" which is Rt. 272, not far from me. It was a good auction which drew attention because of the few monster pieces, I walked out with a boxed Marx Frankenstein and a boxed Marx Spooky Tree.  I was bidding on the Horrorscope, but decided to drop out. It was sealed in the box, but, the decal wasn't the bat that you always see on it, it was the decal from the Haunted Hulk instead, never saw one like that so I wasn't sure about it, not sure but I think it brought something like 2000 or so.

Well, I guess the bucket copies didn't depress the price of the originals as much as I thought they might.

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Not that great looking and doesn't have its handle.


                https://tinyurl.com/s8j3w5u9

I was waiting to pounce but when it went from 500 to 800 in a few seconds I bowed out. Someone got in at the last second and pushed it over a grand.

This looks like a nice example for one of these and just shows that the originals will always hold their value.

Ian

Well, someone has FINALLY done it.  They are making a mini-copy of the 1964 Glenn Strange Clinton Plastics Halloween Bucket.   The little guy stands 3 inches, not including the bale.  Pricey, but it IS the first.
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                                        FRANKENSTEIN - Bucket - Mini-Bucket, 3 in. - 2025

  The eBay Seller:   https://tinyurl.com/4avz973f

I'm getting one.  Will post pictures of mine when it arrives.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 16, 2025, 10:44:55 AMWell, someone has FINALLY done it.  They are making a mini-copy of the 1964 Glenn Strange Clinton Plastics Halloween Bucket.   The little guy stands 3 inches, not including the bale.  Pricey, but it IS the first.

I was going to get one until I saw the price. I think I'll wait until some competition arrives.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on October 16, 2025, 10:44:55 AMI'm getting one.  Will post pictures of mine when it arrives.

I'd love to see an actual picture (not from the listing) should anyone have one...

Quote from: Chris_Z on February 01, 2026, 05:56:40 PMI'd love to see an actual picture (not from the listing) should anyone have one...

Look here:  https://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=37265.0

Read both pages.