Universal Monster Army

For those of you who didn't like the idea of me bashing the RZ remake without having actually seen it first, I can now honestly say that I was right all along. Today, I had a friend of mine rent the RZ remake from my nearest video rental store and tried to watch it. Believe me, I tried to be as open-minded as I could, and that didn't help anything. At the beginning of this abomination, we have not a single likable character. Myers' father is a dirty pervert with no likability at all, his mother (played by Rob's wife, of course) is a stripper, and his sister is also a tramp. Michael himself is just a great big sissy, going on a killing rampage simply because he feels sorry for himself. In addition, the majority of the beginning is just a contest to see who can use the word "f*ck" the most. I couldn't even watch the beginning in its entirety and ended up fast-forwarding through most of it.

Then, we get to meet Rob's take on Laurie... Good God. If I were Jamie Lee Curtis, I'd be suing Rob Zombie for the way that he portrayed the character. Its awful hard for me to believe that this was supposed to be the protagonist of the film. Then we have Laurie's friends, all of whom have no likability either. As was the case with the beginning, I ended up fast-forwarding through most of this as well. The fact that Michael has to kill everyone either while or right after they're done having sex is annoying as well, and I stopped watching it after that.

This isn't a Halloween remake... It's a white trash porn movie with some gore thrown in because it's trying to sell itself off as a horror. The most horrifying thing about this monstrosity was how unbelievably bad it was. I could only watch about 25 minutes of this disaster, 25 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. I immediately drove back to the video rental store, returned the DVD, and suggested that the store owner either burn the DVD or have anyone else who rents it sign a contract claiming that the store isn't responsible for anything that happens to your mind as a result of watching this atrocity. I regret ever putting the DVD in my television, and I'm surprised that the television screen didn't break from playing it.  If I were Dr. Brown, I'd be traveling back in time to stop this from ever being made.

However, if you happen to like this "film", by all means, keep on liking it! I'm not sure if I should feel happy or sad for those of you who can actually watch this. I have nothing against Rob Zombie as a person, but I think he did this as a complete cash-grab. This "film" was utterly disgusting, and not in a good way.

After trying to watch this abomination, I immediately popped-in my two favorite horror films of all time, Pumpkinhead and Halloween III: Season of the Witch, to help lighten my mood.

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I liked Rob Zombie's Halloween. The first half had some really well done parts. I think they dragged some of it out towards the end. However, all in all, I enjoyed the film. However, imo, part 2 was not good.

thm

I actually got bored of Rob Zombie's Halloween and ended up switching it off about two thirds through. I enjoyed House of 1000 Corpses but am not a fan of his other movies to date, although I haven't seen '31'. I know plenty of people who enjoy his films so I'm glad he's adding something to the genre.

You were right that you wouldn't like it, but as I must remind you for what feels like the billionth time, your opinion is not a fact, and you needn't condescend to people who do like the film ("I'm not sure if I should feel happy or sad for those of you who can actually watch this"). It's getting exhausting. And yes, I said film. Not "film".

QuoteThis isn't a Halloween remake... It's a white trash porn movie with some gore thrown in because it's trying to sell itself off as a horror. The most horrifying thing about this monstrosity was how unbelievably bad it was. I could only watch about 25 minutes of this disaster, 25 minutes of my life that I'll never get back. I immediately drove back to the video rental store, returned the DVD, and suggested that the store owner either burn the DVD or have anyone else who rents it sign a contract claiming that the store isn't responsible for anything that happens to your mind as a result of watching this atrocity. I regret ever putting the DVD in my television, and I'm surprised that the television screen didn't break from playing it.  If I were Dr. Brown, I'd be traveling back in time to stop this from ever being made.

Yes, actually, it is a Halloween remake. That doesn't change just because you didn't like it. It's also a horror movie. No need to "sell itself off" as one. Your boasting about signing a contract, about the TV screen breaking, about the laughably absurd feeling that Jamie Lee Curtis should actually sue Rob Zombie, it's not doing you any favors. It's extreme hyperbole, it's tasteless, and it's deeply offensive to me, as I'm someone who values the freedom of artistic expression and will stand for that freedom no matter what film or book or comic or video game is being discussed.

But I won't dwell on you or your superiority complex (which, like Michael Myers himself, stubbornly refuses to die) any further. I'd rather discuss the film.

Having given them a re-watch recently, I actually feel better about both of his Halloween films now than I did the previous time I spoke of them. They're still not perfect, of course. I have to wonder which cut of the film you actually watched. The uncut version actually does the film a bit of a disservice by drastically changing the escape scene, which I felt was much better in the theatrical version.

I disagree with you that there are no sympathetic characters. Michael's mother is a stripper, yes, but she isn't a cartoon of a person. She seemed to me like someone who would much rather have a nicer life than the one she has, and so did Michael to be honest. There's a key line of dialogue from Judith when she talks to her boyfriend about how Ronnie is not her father, or even a father figure to her, because her real father is dead. Seems you missed that detail since you referred to him as "Myers' father" but of course, you admitted you fast-forwarded through it so I shouldn't expect you to have a solid grasp of the film's full content.

I've long theorized that this loss of a real father is a primary motivating factor for the fragile emotional state Michael is in at first, a state through which he eventually descends into darkness. When Michael lashes out, even kills, in this film there seem to be three motivating factors.

One, the easiest to pick up on, is that he's lashing out at people who are actively cruel to him, the first such murder in this train of thought being the school bully and then stepfather later on.

Two, he's lashing out at people who are cruel to him in a more passive way through abandoning him, either literally (in the case of Loomis who ends his visitation and treatment with Michael) or in the abstract (his sister Judith who abandons him by becoming more emotionally distant, though she's arguably also actively cruel to him in a minor way that older siblings often are). Michael has severe abandonment issues and this is the primary motivating factor beneath everything else, indeed I believe the death of his real father may have been the start of these issues.

The third motivating factor for Michael's attacks is a feeling of power and control over others. This is why he kills even those who were friendly to him, like the orderly played by Danny Trejo. This is a more common issue among serial killers, but it's all connected to his issues of abandonment.

Personally I think it's a very interesting interpretation of Michael Myers, and there's a key reason for this I'll get into in a moment.

As for Laurie, I'm not so sure she is the protagonist, really. We don't even meet her until about an hour into the film. Honestly I'd say Michael Myers is the closest thing to a real protagonist, with other characters revolving around him almost as secondary protagonists for brief periods of time, those characters being Michael's mother, Dr. Loomis, and Laurie. Her characterization is more outgoing than the original Laurie, and her friends are perhaps a bit more crude, but let's not forget that in the original film, Annie and Lynda weren't exactly prim and proper and pristine either. They had no problem drinking and having sex and doing drugs. Even Laurie took a hit on a joint while she was riding along with Annie.

Rob's take on Dr. Loomis is, I think, the key to understanding the whole point of the film. In a strange way, there's actually a stronger sense that Loomis genuinely cared about Michael as a patient in this film than there ever was in the Carpenter film or its sequels, and yet this Loomis betrays the compassionate part of himself by becoming self-absorbed and smug and unlikable. He becomes someone who would rather exploit Michael than help him. It's a rather clever twist when you really think about it. In the original film, Loomis talks about Michael in very mythic, supernatural terms, building him up like some sort of eldritch terror that is beyond human comprehension. Indeed, that is how most of us think of Michael Myers, and most of us would rather Myers was depicted this way as well. In Rob's remake, however, such talk seems exploitative and nasty and cruel, because the film's central intent is to remind us that no matter how much we may mythologize and worship such killers as Michael Myers, deep down they are all to human.

And that is the point of the movie. If Michael Myers is the ultimate symbol of serial killers and psychopaths being morphed by pop culture into an otherworldly monster meant to be exploited for our benefit, Rob's remake of Halloween is a strongly-worded rejection of that. Occasionally worded too strongly, but the intent to criticize pop culture's exploitation of human evil, of our morbid fascination with damaged human beings whom we seek to imagine as supernatural creatures for our own entertainment, is to be commended. It's a scathing reminder that the likes of Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, and all the other killers we've turned into popular legends and icons, were not in fact pure evil.

The whole point of the film is to reject the last lines of the original film. Laurie says, "It was the boogeyman," to which Dr. Loomis replies, "As a matter of fact, it was." Rob Zombie's Halloween is a film that strongly responds, "No, it wasn't." That's compelling to me, and it elevates the film rather well in my mind.

I understand if it didn't have the same effect for you, but given that you could only watch about 25 minutes out of a two hour film and then openly call for its censorship, I can't say I find your opinion to be a particularly valid one.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 05, 2016, 12:51:59 PMAfter trying to watch this abomination, I immediately popped-in my two favorite horror films of all time, Pumpkinhead and Halloween III: Season of the Witch, to help lighten my mood.

As I started reading this sentence, somehow I knew I'd be able to guess how it ended. I was right.

I personally hate every movie that has Rob Zombie's name on it. That's it for me. Buh bye,lol. 8)

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 04:32:39 PM
You were right that you wouldn't like it, but as I must remind you for what feels like the billionth time, your opinion is not a fact, and you needn't condescend to people who do like the film ("I'm not sure if I should feel happy or sad for those of you who can actually watch this"). It's getting exhausting. And yes, I said film. Not "film".
Yes, actually, it is a Halloween remake. That doesn't change just because you didn't like it. It's also a horror movie. No need to "sell itself off" as one. Your boasting about signing a contract, about the TV screen breaking, about the laughably absurd feeling that Jamie Lee Curtis should actually sue Rob Zombie, it's not doing you any favors. It's extreme hyperbole, it's tasteless, and it's deeply offensive to me, as I'm someone who values the freedom of artistic expression and will stand for that freedom no matter what film or book or comic or video game is being discussed.

But I won't dwell on you or your superiority complex (which, like Michael Myers himself, stubbornly refuses to die) any further. I'd rather discuss the film.

Having given them a re-watch recently, I actually feel better about both of his Halloween films now than I did the previous time I spoke of them. They're still not perfect, of course. I have to wonder which cut of the film you actually watched. The uncut version actually does the film a bit of a disservice by drastically changing the escape scene, which I felt was much better in the theatrical version.

I disagree with you that there are no sympathetic characters. Michael's mother is a stripper, yes, but she isn't a cartoon of a person. She seemed to me like someone who would much rather have a nicer life than the one she has, and so did Michael to be honest. There's a key line of dialogue from Judith when she talks to her boyfriend about how Ronnie is not her father, or even a father figure to her, because her real father is dead. Seems you missed that detail since you referred to him as "Myers' father" but of course, you admitted you fast-forwarded through it so I shouldn't expect you to have a solid grasp of the film's full content.

I've long theorized that this loss of a real father is a primary motivating factor for the fragile emotional state Michael is in at first, a state through which he eventually descends into darkness. When Michael lashes out, even kills, in this film there seem to be three motivating factors.

One, the easiest to pick up on, is that he's lashing out at people who are actively cruel to him, the first such murder in this train of thought being the school bully and then stepfather later on.

Two, he's lashing out at people who are cruel to him in a more passive way through abandoning him, either literally (in the case of Loomis who ends his visitation and treatment with Michael) or in the abstract (his sister Judith who abandons him by becoming more emotionally distant, though she's arguably also actively cruel to him in a minor way that older siblings often are). Michael has severe abandonment issues and this is the primary motivating factor beneath everything else, indeed I believe the death of his real father may have been the start of these issues.

The third motivating factor for Michael's attacks is a feeling of power and control over others. This is why he kills even those who were friendly to him, like the orderly played by Danny Trejo. This is a more common issue among serial killers, but it's all connected to his issues of abandonment.

Personally I think it's a very interesting interpretation of Michael Myers, and there's a key reason for this I'll get into in a moment.

As for Laurie, I'm not so sure she is the protagonist, really. We don't even meet her until about an hour into the film. Honestly I'd say Michael Myers is the closest thing to a real protagonist, with other characters revolving around him almost as secondary protagonists for brief periods of time, those characters being Michael's mother, Dr. Loomis, and Laurie. Her characterization is more outgoing than the original Laurie, and her friends are perhaps a bit more crude, but let's not forget that in the original film, Annie and Lynda weren't exactly prim and proper and pristine either. They had no problem drinking and having sex and doing drugs. Even Laurie took a hit on a joint while she was riding along with Annie.

Rob's take on Dr. Loomis is, I think, the key to understanding the whole point of the film. In a strange way, there's actually a stronger sense that Loomis genuinely cared about Michael as a patient in this film than there ever was in the Carpenter film or its sequels, and yet this Loomis betrays the compassionate part of himself by becoming self-absorbed and smug and unlikable. He becomes someone who would rather exploit Michael than help him. It's a rather clever twist when you really think about it. In the original film, Loomis talks about Michael in very mythic, supernatural terms, building him up like some sort of eldritch terror that is beyond human comprehension. Indeed, that is how most of us think of Michael Myers, and most of us would rather Myers was depicted this way as well. In Rob's remake, however, such talk seems exploitative and nasty and cruel, because the film's central intent is to remind us that no matter how much we may mythologize and worship such killers as Michael Myers, deep down they are all to human.

And that is the point of the movie. If Michael Myers is the ultimate symbol of serial killers and psychopaths being morphed by pop culture into an otherworldly monster meant to be exploited for our benefit, Rob's remake of Halloween is a strongly-worded rejection of that. Occasionally worded too strongly, but the intent to criticize pop culture's exploitation of human evil, of our morbid fascination with damaged human beings whom we seek to imagine as supernatural creatures for our own entertainment, is to be commended. It's a scathing reminder that the likes of Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Jack the Ripper, and all the other killers we've turned into popular legends and icons, were not in fact pure evil.

The whole point of the film is to reject the last lines of the original film. Laurie says, "It was the boogeyman," to which Dr. Loomis replies, "As a matter of fact, it was." Rob Zombie's Halloween is a film that strongly responds, "No, it wasn't." That's compelling to me, and it elevates the film rather well in my mind.

I understand if it didn't have the same effect for you, but given that you could only watch about 25 minutes out of a two hour film and then openly call for its censorship, I can't say I find your opinion to be a particularly valid one.
As I started reading this sentence, somehow I knew I'd be able to guess how it ended. I was right.

BBW...  I would read EVERYTHING you just wrote if it weren't for one thing: You've been calling me out on almost every single post that I've made in this section for the past 3-4 days.  I get that you want to defend Rob, and I have no problem with that whatsoever, but I seem to be the only person who doesn't like Rob's films who you call out on for not liking them.  For example, Anton expressed his opinion about Rob's films in a thread here a few months ago by posting a picture of a boot covered in turd to describe his "films" (and yes, he also wrote "films" instead of films), but I didn't see you call him out for it.  Meanwhile, you call me out pretty much every time I express an honest opinion about Rob's films.  And it's not just that, you also called me out for asking HH a simple question about the GB reboot and called it "cute hyperbole".  I'm not reading anything you just wrote past the first paragraph until I get an explanation as to why I'm the only person who you call out on these things, and until I see you call out Anton and every other person on this board who doesn't like Rob's films.  Anton already said that he hates every film that has come from Rob on this thread, that should be a good start.

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 05, 2016, 04:38:18 PM
I personally hate every movie that has Rob Zombie's name on it. That's it for me. Buh bye,lol. 8)

Normally I'd agree to this, but I haven't seen any of his other stuff aside from this monstrosity.  But it wouldn't surprise me at all if I actually watched all of his stuff and wanted to sue the guy for taking hours out of my life.

Hey, now Chakor....don't cause Big Bad to come blowin' my house down.  I think people can understand guys like me who say "Nope. I hate it",the same way I can understand people who squeel with delight over RZ (or whatever). What they get miffed about is language that  inflammatory or condescending. Even if it's done camouflaged.  :-[ :-X

I give my opinion....I never follow it up with 'If you like this you are a poopy head!". So, yeah....keep the fight betwixt thee and BB. I don't get into flame warring stuff,lol. Peace out bro. ;) ;) 8)

The fact that he hasn't blown your house down yet is probably proof enough that he just has some hidden vendetta against me, I guess. ???  Either that or it's just something that I said.  I never called him a "poopy head" for liking Rob's stuff anyway.

I loved The Devil's Rejects. It cracked my top 10 all time favorite horror films. Well, actually, it is a more violent film than horror. However, I watched it a few times before it became a favorite. Every time I watched it, I liked it more and more. I liked the way he used classic songs in the film. Actually, after the watching the film, I think I might like the songs better than I used to. I would suggest watching Devil's Rejects a couple/few times. You never know, you might have the same experience of growing to like it more and more each time you watch it.

thm

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 05, 2016, 05:21:09 PM
The fact that he hasn't blown your house down yet is probably proof enough that he just has some hidden vendetta against me, I guess. ???  Either that or it's just something that I said.  I never called him a "poopy head" for liking Rob's stuff anyway.

That was my attempt at humor. I know you didn't call him a poopy head,lol. But he pointed out, rather pointedly, some of the language you used that he found....distasteful.  8) ;)

Quote from: the_horror_man on November 05, 2016, 05:25:10 PM
I loved The Devil's Rejects. It cracked my top 10 all time favorite horror films. Well, actually, it is a more violent film than horror. However, I watched it a few times before it became a favorite. Every time I watched it, I liked it more and more. I liked the way he used classic songs in the film. Actually, after the watching the film, I think I might like the songs better than I used to. I would suggest watching Devil's Rejects a couple/few times. You never know, you might have the same experience of growing to like it more and more each time you watch it.

thm

Hey Rob---multiple choice. Guess my response. Ready! GO!

a. I hate it
b. I hate it
c. I would rather have my blood sucked out by leaches than watch it
d. all of the above

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 05, 2016, 05:32:48 PM

Hey Rob---multiple choice. Guess my response. Ready! GO!

a. I hate it
b. I hate it
c. I would rather have my blood sucked out by leaches than watch it
d. all of the above

Anton, you just made my day... er, I mean night, with that post.  We should forward this to Rob's Facebook page! :laugh:

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 05, 2016, 05:32:48 PM

Hey Rob---multiple choice. Guess my response. Ready! GO!

a. I hate it
b. I hate it
c. I would rather have my blood sucked out by leaches than watch it
d. all of the above

D...right? Just a guess.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 05, 2016, 04:55:06 PM
BBW...  I would read EVERYTHING you just wrote if it weren't for one thing: You've been calling me out on almost every single post that I've made in this section for the past 3-4 days.  I get that you want to defend Rob, and I have no problem with that whatsoever, but I seem to be the only person who doesn't like Rob's films who you call out on for not liking them.  For example, Anton expressed his opinion about Rob's films in a thread here a few months ago by posting a picture of a boot covered in turd to describe his "films" (and yes, he also wrote "films" instead of films), but I didn't see you call him out for it.  Meanwhile, you call me out pretty much every time I express an honest opinion about Rob's films.  And it's not just that, you also called me out for asking HH a simple question about the GB reboot and called it "cute hyperbole".  I'm not reading anything you just wrote past the first paragraph until I get an explanation as to why I'm the only person who you call out on these things, and until I see you call out Anton and every other person on this board who doesn't like Rob's films.  Anton already said that he hates every film that has come from Rob on this thread, that should be a good start.

Actually within the past 3-4 days, aside from today, I'd say you weren't saying anything worth calling out. As for "cute hyperbole" you absolutely do engage in that in this very thread, but the post I was referring to was his, not yours. His response was thoughtful enough that I didn't engage him directly after that.

Now, if you'd bother to read what I said at all you'd know that I'm not really calling you out for your opinion, I'm calling you out for your rhetoric, and your constant holier-than-thou attitude. Sure, Anton used a boot covered in crap to convey his opinion, but that's...just his opinion. I wasn't personally insulted by that. What does insult me is that you began this thread saying, "For those of you who didn't like the idea of me bashing the RZ remake without having actually seen it first, I can now honestly say that I was right all along," as though you had a score to settle, and then despite your admission that you have only seen roughly 25 minutes of it, you railed against it anyway as if you were thoroughly familiar with it, you continued to disrespect the film as a work of artistic expression and indeed implied your wish to see it censored ("If I were Dr. Brown, I'd be traveling back in time to stop this from ever being made") and you continued to insult people who enjoy the film, which you know well by now includes myself and others.

THAT is what I have a problem with, and if I do call you out a lot, it's because in spite of your insistence that you don't consider your opinion to be fact, that you don't see yourself as better than anyone else, you continue to exhibit behavior that suggests otherwise. At this point I can't figure out if you really are unaware of how you come off or if you're doing it on purpose.

Alright, so I've read through everything that you wrote.  I regret to inform the Zombie fans that, in spite of the message that Rob is trying to/does deliver in the film, I still don't care for it.  People argue that Rob had more respect for the franchise than the folks behind Resurrection, but, to me, turning the character of Michael Myers into white trash (or a hillbilly, however you want to put it) doesn't translate to having any more respect for the franchise than the people behind the aforementioned film.  Irregardless what message Rob sends in the film, the terrible atmosphere, terrible acting, etc., made it nearly unwatchable for me.  I'd sooner sit through Syfy's Mothman in its entirety again before I'd ever even try to watch the RZ remake again.  Remember, the acting, atmosphere, etc., is only terrible in my opinion, although I would be genuinely "wowed" by anyone that would argue that the acting and atmosphere in the RZ remake is better than any of the films that I enjoy.

I know this will bother you, but what I'm about to write is strictly my honest opinion.  Although I currently have nothing against Rob Zombie as a person, if he ever announced that he was going to remake any of the horror/monster films that I actually enjoy, I would hunt him down and beat him with a baseball bat before I'd let him defame said films.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 05, 2016, 05:53:14 PM
Alright, so I've read through everything that you wrote.  I regret to inform the Zombie fans that, in spite of the message that Rob is trying to/does deliver in the film, I still don't care for it.  People argue that Rob had more respect for the franchise than the folks behind Resurrection, but, to me, turning the character of Michael Myers into white trash (or a hillbilly, however you want to put it) doesn't translate to having any more respect for the franchise than the people behind the aforementioned film.  Irregardless what message Rob sends in the film, the terrible atmosphere, terrible acting, etc., made it nearly unwatchable for me.  I'd sooner sit through Syfy's Mothman in its entirety again before I'd ever even try to watch the RZ remake again.

I know this will bother you, but what I'm about to write is strictly my honest opinion.  Although I currently have nothing against Rob Zombie as a person, if he ever announced that he was going to remake any of the horror/monster films that I actually enjoy, I would hunt him down and beat him with a baseball bat before I'd let him defame said films.

See, here's the thing: you may not think Rob had respect for the film, but it doesn't mean you're right. You don't get to decide how he thinks or how he feels. I'd rather take HIM at HIS word. There's an incredible irony in the fact that you think I'm attacking you for your opinion on the film when I've made myself perfectly clear that I'm criticizing your constant annoying attitude that you're better than everyone else. It's apparent in the way you started a thread on lost footage from the original Halloween only to insist that people beg you for the information, it's apparent in the way you continue to be passive-aggressive about the opinions of others, it's apparent in the way you started a thread about this Halloween film and demanded that I explain myself before you bother to read my rather lengthy and thoughtful opinion of it, and it's apparent in the fact that you just now made a hypothetical threat of physical violence against Rob because of the possibility that he might make a movie you don't like, and did so without a care in the world about who might find that disgusting and stupid, and before you pretend that you do care about such things, I'll remind you that this threat was preceded by "I know this will bother you, but what I'm about to write is strictly my honest opinion." That you would even make such a threat although you "currently have nothing against Rob Zombie as a person" only makes it that much worse, because you've even admitted that your motivation for such violence is a matter entirely trivial and without any logical justification.

Quote from: the_horror_man on November 05, 2016, 05:25:10 PM
I loved The Devil's Rejects. It cracked my top 10 all time favorite horror films. Well, actually, it is a more violent film than horror. However, I watched it a few times before it became a favorite. Every time I watched it, I liked it more and more. I liked the way he used classic songs in the film. Actually, after the watching the film, I think I might like the songs better than I used to. I would suggest watching Devil's Rejects a couple/few times. You never know, you might have the same experience of growing to like it more and more each time you watch it.

thm

I liked the sheriff character in Devils Rejects, and I also liked the film more after a second viewing, the same with House of 1000 Corpses. It's funny how some films are better after repeat viewings isn't it?

I used to listen to White Zombie (Rob Zombie's band) when I was younger, and I bought his solo album which had fantastic artwork in the sleeve by RZ himself. His illustrations are top notch.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 06:06:49 PM
See, here's the thing: you may not think Rob had respect for the film, but it doesn't mean you're right. You don't get to decide how he thinks or how he feels. I'd rather take HIM at HIS word.

Okay...  I said that his film didn't translate to having respect for the original to me.  TO ME.  That doesn't mean that I'm claiming myself to be correct nor am I saying that no one else's opinion has merit because of what I think.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 06:06:49 PM
There's an incredible irony in the fact that you think I'm attacking you for your opinion on the film when I've made myself perfectly clear that I'm criticizing your constant annoying attitude that you're better than everyone else. It's apparent in the way you started a thread on lost footage from the original Halloween only to insist that people beg you for the information, it's apparent in the way you continue to be passive-aggressive about the opinions of others, it's apparent in the way you started a thread about this Halloween film and demanded that I explain myself before you bother to read my rather lengthy and thoughtful opinion of it, and it's apparent in the fact that you just now made a hypothetical threat of physical violence against Rob because of the possibility that he might make a movie you don't like, and did so without a care in the world about who might find that disgusting and stupid, and before you pretend that you do care about such things, I'll remind you that this threat was preceded by "I know this will bother you, but what I'm about to write is strictly my honest opinion." That you would even make such a threat although you "currently have nothing against Rob Zombie as a person" only makes it that much worse, because you've even admitted that your motivation for such violence is a matter entirely trivial and without any logical justification.

First an foremost, that thread about the lost footage from Halloween where I "insisted that people beg me for the information" was a joke to make sure that everyone knew what an a**hole the guy who used to own/still owns the footage is.  If you actually looked at the threads that I linked where said jerk treats others like trash and insulted me simply because he didn't have the common sense to ignore a post that he didn't like, I would think that you'd be inclined to agree that he's a git.

Second, I wasn't demanding you to give me an explanation for your opinion, even though it obviously came across as such.  I was bothered by the fact that only my opinion on Rob's films bothered you, while others' didn't, and figured that you giving me an explanation for why you were calling me out would be a fair trade.

Third, it was a physical threat against Rob for the possibility of him making a remake of a film that's become part of my life.  If Rob were to remake you-know-what, he wouldn't just be remaking any movie.  He'd be remaking one of the greatest monster films of all time and insulting it by making all of the characters unlikable white trash and "dumbing-down" the story, and the worst part is that he'd be making money for ruining a film...  Oh wait, he's already done that in my opinion.  Obviously you and many others will disagree with my statement about it "not just being a movie", but remember: that's all just my two cents.  I don't like TCM, Child's Play, Friday the 13th, The Exorcist, etc., but love films like Pumpkinhead (I mentioned the title, arrest me), Halloween III, Gremlins, etc., so my two cents automatically doesn't have any merit, although everyone pretends otherwise.

Speaking of irony, I also find it quite ironic that you claiming that a physical threat against Rob is "disgusting and stupid" when I consider the plots of all of his films, based on what I've read on Wikipedia and various websites with reviews, disgusting and stupid as well.

I find it rather sad that, despite the fact that my attitude may need a little work, I can't write a thread stating my opinion about a Rob Zombie film without the discussion being derailed.  Remember, if my opinion isn't fact, then neither is yours or anyone else's.

Good day sir!

Quote from: long live kong on November 05, 2016, 06:12:29 PM
I liked the sheriff character in Devils Rejects, and I also liked the film more after a second viewing, the same with House of 1000 Corpses. It's funny how some films are better after repeat viewings isn't it?

I used to listen to White Zombie (Rob Zombie's band) when I was younger, and I bought his solo album which had fantastic artwork in the sleeve by RZ himself. His illustrations are top notch.

This brings up a great point about Rob Zombie. You have to admire what Rob Zombie has accomplished. Now, I do not mean liking his specific films or music, but the accomplishments themselves. He creates the music he wants and it sells. He creates the films he wants and they sell. He does his own artwork on his albums and makes his own props for concerts. From an artist's point of view, this is the dream. To do all the forms of art you love to do and make good money at it is what I think every artist strives for. Also, he has a very hot wife. ;D

thm

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 05, 2016, 06:49:31 PM
First an foremost, that thread about the lost footage from Halloween where I "insisted that people beg me for the information" was a joke to make sure that everyone knew what an a**hole the guy who used to own/still owns the footage is.  If you actually looked at the threads that I linked where said jerk treats others like trash and insulted me simply because he didn't have the common sense to ignore a post that he didn't like, I would think that you'd be inclined to agree that he's a git.

The guy is clearly not in the right by just sitting on it like that. All the same, if you were trying to joke about that, you did so rather clumsily. You even admitted you tried to get us to beg for it when you apologized for exactly that.

QuoteSecond, I wasn't demanding you to give me an explanation for your opinion, even though it obviously came across as such.  I was bothered by the fact that only my opinion on Rob's films bothered you, while others' didn't, and figured that you giving me an explanation for why you were calling me out would be a fair trade.

Still you don't understand why I've called you out. It's less and less shocking every time.

QuoteThird, it was a physical threat against Rob for

I don't care what it was for. It's morally reprehensible and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Quotethe worst part is that he'd be making money for ruining a film...  Oh wait, he's already done that in my opinion.  Obviously you and many others will disagree with my statement about it "not just being a movie", but remember: that's all just my two cents.

No, it's you threatening to "hunt him down and beat him with a baseball bat" if he makes a movie you don't like.

QuoteI don't like TCM, Child's Play, Friday the 13th, The Exorcist, etc., but love films like Pumpkinhead (I mentioned the title, arrest me), Halloween III, Gremlins, etc., so my two cents automatically doesn't have any merit, although everyone pretends otherwise.

Your opinions have more merit when you've actually bothered to watch these films in their entirety. I must admit though, I flinched a little at your admission that you don't like The Exorcist. Care to mention why? I only ask out of curiosity as it's not often I encounter someone who doesn't care for it.

QuoteSpeaking of irony, I also find it quite ironic that you claiming that a physical threat against Rob is "disgusting and stupid" when I consider the plots of all of his films, based on what I've read on Wikipedia and various websites with reviews, disgusting and stupid as well.

There's a world of difference between you threatening a man in real life and fictional depictions of violence in works of artistic expression. As the saying goes, "no person or animal was harmed in the making of this movie."

QuoteI find it rather sad that, despite the fact that my attitude may need a little work, I can't write a thread stating my opinion about a Rob Zombie film without the discussion being derailed.  Remember, if my opinion isn't fact, then neither is yours or anyone else's.

Never claimed my opinion was fact. Never criticized you for having an opinion different from mine either. I'll gladly tell you why I disagree with your opinion, but there's nothing wrong with that either. That's called a discussion. If you can't figure out what I'm criticizing you for, despite laying it out very clearly multiple times, that's your problem, not mine.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say hat if it were announced Rob Zombie were going to re-make Halloween 3, Pumpkinhead, Twilight Zone the Movie and/or Gremlins that Chakkor would have the same reaction I did to Gus Van Sant's Psycho re-make,lol.

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 05, 2016, 07:19:08 PM
I am going to go out on a limb here and say hat if it were announced Rob Zombie were going to re-make Halloween 3, Pumpkinhead, Twilight Zone the Movie and/or Gremlins that Chakkor would have the same reaction I did to Gus Van Sant's Psycho re-make,lol.

You didn't attempt to kill Gus Van Sant did you? :P

What a misguided remake that was.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 07:11:53 PM
I don't care what it was for. It's morally reprehensible and you should be ashamed of yourself.

I regret to inform everyone that...  I'm not ashamed of myself for this.  I'm only ashamed of myself for trying to watch the film in question, and I'm not cracking up AT ALL whilst writing this.  It was bad enough for me that I'm going to have a hard time getting over the fact that I actually tried to watch the film.  It's like when a guy shows up to school only wearing his underwear.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 07:11:53 PM
No, it's you threatening to "hunt him down and beat him with a baseball bat" if he makes a movie you don't like.

I disagree with this, and nothing will change my mind.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 07:11:53 PM
Your opinions have more merit when you've actually bothered to watch these films in their entirety. I must admit though, I flinched a little at your admission that you don't like The Exorcist. Care to mention why? I only ask out of curiosity as it's not often I encounter someone who doesn't care for it.

It's been about seven years since I first watched The Exorcist and I haven't watched it again since.  On my first viewing, I didn't think it was as good as everyone was saying, but it's on my list of things to watch to "broaden my horizons", so who knows?  Maybe I'll like it more on my second viewing.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 07:11:53 PM
There's a world of difference between you threatening a man in real life and fictional depictions of violence in works of artistic expression. As the saying goes, "no person or animal was harmed in the making of this movie."

I agree with this, but I'm still not ashamed of myself for the statement.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 07:11:53 PM
Never claimed my opinion was fact. Never criticized you for having an opinion different from mine either. I'll gladly tell you why I disagree with your opinion, but there's nothing wrong with that either. That's called a discussion. If you can't figure out what I'm criticizing you for, despite laying it out very clearly multiple times, that's your problem, not mine.

I think I understand what you're criticizing me for...  It's the "attitude", right?  If not, I give up.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 05, 2016, 07:28:08 PMI disagree with this, and nothing will change my mind.

I used your exact words, man.

QuoteI'm still not ashamed of myself for the statement.

If that's true, that you're not ashamed for stating a desire to respond with violence against a man for making a film you don't like, it speaks volumes about your character, and whether or not you are ashamed, it is utterly despicable, and even more so that you would even try to defend it.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 07:40:15 PM
If that's true, that you're not ashamed for stating a desire to respond with violence against a man for making a film you don't like, it speaks volumes about your character, and whether or not you are ashamed, it is utterly despicable, and even more so that you would even try to defend it.

First and foremost, as you could probably guess already, what Rob Zombie did with Halloween was despicable IMO.  Second, I would only make an effort to harm the guy if A: He actually announced that he was going to remake the best monster film of all time and B: If I was sure that I could get away with it.  I may be crazy, but I'm definitely not stupid.  JK.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 05, 2016, 07:54:48 PM
First and foremost, as you could probably guess already, what Rob Zombie did with Halloween was despicable IMO.  Second, I would only make an effort to harm the guy if A: He actually announced that he was going to remake the best monster film of all time and B: If I was sure that I could get away with it.  I may be crazy, but I'm definitely not stupid.  JK.

How can you even compare a movie with an actual crime? How can you possibly find "remaking Pumpkinhead" to be a perfectly legitimate justification for an act of violence? Crazy is an understatement, fella. Seek help.

Can we all at least agree on the comment I made a few posts up about Rob Zombie living the dream and his wife? ;D

thm

As a fan of House of 1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects I was openly optimistic on yet another unneeded remake; but hey sometimes those become equal to...dare I say better...than the original.  This unfortunately was not the case.  Turning Michale Myers into a Firefly was the wrong direction in my opinion.  Turning him into a typical-paint by numbers serial killer was the wrong direction in my opinion.  There was such opportunity to explore the mysterious boogeyman concept which was barely touched upon in the original.  The first half or so of RZ's Halloween is completely unwatchable dreck as a Halloween film; the second half is done rather well from what I recall and RZ's Michale is the most formidable the character has been portrayed.  Part 2?  I don't recall liking this one either.  I've given the first one several attempts and every time it is the whole young Michael stuff that just makes me lose interest; for me Michael should have been portrayed as a good-loving kid, with loving-attentive parents, an older sister that he had a great relationship with and a younger one that he adored deeply....and then one Halloween night madness sets in.

Rob proved he is capable of much more than the white trash aesthetics of House and Devil's with The Lords of Salem but he doesn't seem to want to explore much more than that lowest common denominator.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 05, 2016, 08:12:56 PM
How can you even compare a movie with an actual crime? How can you possibly find "remaking Pumpkinhead" to be a perfectly legitimate justification for an act of violence? Crazy is an understatement, fella. Seek help.

I'm not seeking help for anything until Rob seeks help.  In my opinion, that guy is mentally disturbed.  In addition, if RZ were to remake you-know-what, it wouldn't just be a remake, for multiple reasons.  1: The film is unfortunately so niche that hundreds of people would see the remake without knowing that there's something way superior to it in existence.  2: After trying to watch RZ's remake of Halloween, I have a pretty good idea as to how a remake of you-know-what would turn out.  It would be an atrocity beyond belief.  Besides, I think Rob has learned his lesson about remakes anyway.

Rob Zombie sucks. Not only do his movies suck, but his music sucks as well. Basically, he sucks all around.
His movies make me feel like I need to take a shower after viewing them.
Rob Zombie is the very definition of "deplorable"...and I don't mean that in a good way.

I haven't bothered listening to any of his music, but I agree 100% with your statement about his films.  I actually DID take a shower after trying to watch this remake, before popping in my favorite horror films to cheer me up.  What really bothers me about RZ is that he can do WAY better than what he's already done.  Rather than writing films and stories with more depth, he chooses to stay cooped-up in the same old "horror meets white trash" circle that he's been cooped-up in since the day he started filmmaking.  If he directed something that was written by someone else, it might not be as bad...  But he still needs to understand that constantly shaking the camera so that no one can tell what's going on isn't doing him any good.

I fully agree, Chakor. If Mr. Zombie stuck to the directing, his films might actually be good. It is the writing that tends to bog down his films. While I'm trying to be fair here, his dialog always seems "over written" like some of Tarantino's later work. I feel that your idea of having someone else do the screenplay might actually lead to a decent film. I do feel that he has done a few good films ("Lords of Salem", "Devil's Rejects"), and is capable of much more.

So, just to be clear, Rob Zombie is "the very definition of deplorable" because he makes movies y'all don't like, but threatening to violently assault someone because they make movies y'all don't like is perfectly acceptable, doesn't bother anyone, let's not acknowledge it.

What a f&*%ing joke.

To Anton, Rockshasa, and I, Rob's films are also f***ing jokes.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 06, 2016, 02:41:13 PM
So, just to be clear, Rob Zombie is "the very definition of deplorable" because he makes movies y'all don't like, but threatening to violently assault someone because they make movies y'all don't like is perfectly acceptable, doesn't bother anyone, let's not acknowledge it.

What a f&*%ing joke.

Actually, Rob Zombie s a lot like most of us here. He is a monster kid and uses any opportunity to  spread his love of classic monsters.his live shows feafeature nice projections of vintage monsters. I could never hate a fellow monster fan. And, like I stated, I do like some of his films. Though, I have to agree that he over does it with the potty mouth a bit.

Rob Zombie's Halloween is better than Pumpkinhead. A lot better. Just my opinion.

Still can't believe I'm the only one who seems to have a problem with Channing threatening to violently assault Rob Zombie if he ever remakes Pumpkinhead though. I don't care how bad a movie is or how badly it depicts something I care about, I'd never threaten to assault the director over it. For f&*%'s sake, that's getting into Charlie Hebdo territory. He's had numerous occasions to apologize, to say he was just kidding around, but he only doubled down on it.

And somehow I get the feeling that thanks to the general unpopularity of Rob's films around here, I'm the one being seen as a deplorable cretin.

I would hope that a very basic moral standard could be agreed upon regardless of whether or not we all like the same films but I'm not thrilled with how it's going so far.

Quote from: Mord on November 06, 2016, 03:38:17 PM
Actually, Rob Zombie s a lot like most of us here. He is a monster kid and uses any opportunity to  spread his love of classic monsters.his live shows feafeature nice projections of vintage monsters. I could never hate a fellow monster fan. And, like I stated, I do like some of his films. Though, I have to agree that he over does it with the potty mouth a bit.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was a member of the UMA, or at least an occasional lurker....be careful Chakor, you could end up getting a visit yourself!  >:D  - I'm joking btw!

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 05, 2016, 12:51:59 PMThe fact that Michael has to kill everyone either while or right after they're done having sex is annoying as well....

I hate that as well. It's as if all these directors are prudes who think sex is evil and therefore the practitioners should be punished.

>:(

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 06, 2016, 03:52:34 PM
Rob Zombie's Halloween is better than Pumpkinhead. A lot better. Just my opinion.

Still can't believe I'm the only one who seems to have a problem with Channing threatening to violently assault Rob Zombie if he ever remakes Pumpkinhead though. I don't care how bad a movie is or how badly it depicts something I care about, I'd never threaten to assault the director over it. For f&*%'s sake, that's getting into Charlie Hebdo territory. He's had numerous occasions to apologize, to say he was just kidding around, but he only doubled down on it.

And somehow I get the feeling that thanks to the general unpopularity of Rob's films around here, I'm the one being seen as a deplorable cretin.

I would hope that a very basic moral standard could be agreed upon regardless of whether or not we all like the same films but I'm not thrilled with how it's going so far.

At least in Pumpkinhead, despite most of the characters being hillbillies, they're not all portrayed as idiots and perverts as they are in Rob's films.  In Pumpkinhead, there's no one having sex with dead bodies or numerous shots of a woman's ass for no reason.  In Pumpkinhead, we have an original plot motivated by the love between father and son.  Two major themes of Pumpkinhead are "actions have consequence" and "who's the real monster?"  The "who's the real monster" theme is directly implied when the demon begins taking on the facial features of Lance Henriksen.  The people behind Pumpkinhead made the film out of passion and love, and the actor who played the monster, Tom Woodruff Jr., had to endure great physical pain in playing the creature because the "chicken" legs of the monster costume made it so that the metal parts of the leg "ad-ons" were practically seeping into Tom's feet, for lack of the better terminology.  As was the case with the original TCM, the actors weren't exactly having a picnic during filming either.  My understanding is that most of the film was shot during extremely cold nights, and the addition of a wind tunnel to help create the powerful atmosphere makes it all the more uncomfortable for the actors...  Only to be rewarded with a 6.5 on IMDb.  Meanwhile, we have actors pulled out of your local Wal-Mart for a film like RZ's Halloween (as well as all of his other garbage) that's made with the sole intention of profit, for ruining a classic might I add.

I would have apologized to say I was just joking, until you made that statement, BBW.  Unless you've actually seen both Pumpkinhead and Rob Zombie's Halloween, my advice to anyone who hasn't seen either is to not take BBW's word for it.  In my opinion, Pumpkinhead is not only a far superior film to all of Rob's trash flicks combined, but it's also not comparable to any of Rob's films.  You know why?  Because Pumpkinhead is a monster film.  Yeah, it's a horror film like Rob's stuff, but it's a horror in both the minimal amount of gore AND the horror of it that's based on irony.  For example, the horror of the boy's death, the horror of innocent people being killed due to misunderstanding, etc.  BBW, I'd say you've just blown your chances for me ever having respect for your opinions again.  I think you also broke the fabric of space and time with your first statement.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 06, 2016, 05:14:47 PMI would have apologized to say I was just joking, until you made that statement, BBW.

Here's the thing: your ability to recognize right from wrong, to recognize that making a threat of physical violence against someone over a f&*%ing movie of all things, should be able to function REGARDLESS of anything I've said. That you can't do that speaks volumes about your character.

QuoteBBW, I'd say you've just blown your chances for me ever having respect for your opinions again.  I think you also broke the fabric of space and time with your first statement.

You'd have a hard time convincing me you ever respected my opinion. Clearly respect is something you only reserve for people who agree with you, and people who will gladly, strangely ignore that you made a threat of violence against somebody and just now REFUSED to acknowledge that it was wrong.

If you want to turn this into a court case to prove who's right or wrong, then be my guest.  My attorney is more than ready.

(http://a.fod4.com/images/user_photos/1256272/aea04236a6d9f48f2a11edad03488119_square_fullsize.png)

On a serious note...

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 06, 2016, 05:46:33 PM
Here's the thing: your ability to recognize right from wrong, to recognize that making a threat of physical violence against someone over a f&*%ing movie of all things, should be able to function REGARDLESS of anything I've said. That you can't do that speaks volumes about your character.

As far as I'm concerned, this is all moot for the time being.  Rob clearly can't recognize right from wrong in remaking Halloween.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 06, 2016, 05:46:33 PM
You'd have a hard time convincing me you ever respected my opinion. Clearly respect is something you only reserve for people who agree with you, and people who will gladly, strangely ignore that you made a threat of violence against somebody and just now REFUSED to acknowledge that it was wrong.

Not necessarily.  On plenty of occasions, I don't agree with Mord at all, yet I still respect him and his opinions.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 06, 2016, 05:14:47 PMIn Pumpkinhead, there's no one having sex with dead bodies....

Booooo to that!

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 06, 2016, 05:14:47 PM...or numerous shots of a woman's ass for no reason.

Well so long as the women don't look like Beyoncé, I'll defend that in the name of artistic impression. Or something like that.

;)

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 06, 2016, 03:52:34 PM
Rob Zombie's Halloween is better than Pumpkinhead. A lot better. Just my opinion.

Still can't believe I'm the only one who seems to have a problem with Channing threatening to violently assault Rob Zombie if he ever remakes Pumpkinhead though. I don't care how bad a movie is or how badly it depicts something I care about, I'd never threaten to assault the director over it. For f&*%'s sake, that's getting into Charlie Hebdo territory. He's had numerous occasions to apologize, to say he was just kidding around, but he only doubled down on it.

And somehow I get the feeling that thanks to the general unpopularity of Rob's films around here, I'm the one being seen as a deplorable cretin.

I would hope that a very basic moral standard could be agreed upon regardless of whether or not we all like the same films but I'm not thrilled with how it's going so far.

Not at all. Like I mentioned, The Devil's Rejects is in my top 10 favorite Horror/violent movies. Also, I enjoyed his remake of Halloween. I also thought house of 1000 Corpses was decent. I used to like some of his music as well. Also, as I mentioned. He is living the artist dream, makes his own films, music, draws, makes props and has a hot wife. Also, he has given Bill Mosely and other great horror actors a chance to showcase their talent as well.

thm

One thing that I forgot to mention in the original post that started this thread was that Rob Zombie's Halloween was extremely offensive to me.  As silly as that may sound, I found it offensive.  The way Rob portrays essentially all of the characters in his films as white trash is something that I find deeply unappealing and disgusting, hence why I never wanted to willingly watch this disaster or any of his other stuff.  Unless someone is going to pay me $100 for it, I'm not giving another film written by Rob Zombie a watch.

Quote from: Hepcat on November 06, 2016, 05:03:20 PM
I hate that as well. It's as if all these directors are prudes who think sex is evil and therefore the practitioners should be punished.
>:(

Funny, I've never thought of it that way.

It just seemed like a good excuse for catching people undressed, when they are likely to feel more vulnerable, without always having to resort to another shower scene. 

Also a way to exploit the idea of instantly taking the characters from one of life's most pleasurable situations to life's worst by being savagely killed in some very nasty way - like being rapidly dismembered while still screaming.

'Horror clichés' such as the rutting couple getting wasted are what a lot of horror fans find endearing about slasher films and trash cinema, especially those who grew up renting VHS tapes from video stores....you would spend ages pouring over the lurid covers before picking a title like Frankenhooker and then laugh at the movie with your friends. Occasionally you would find a great movie and often they would be crap, but you'd still get a kick out of watching them and the clichés became part of the charm.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on November 07, 2016, 03:50:36 PM
Funny, I've never thought of it that way.

It just seemed like a good excuse for catching people undressed, when they are likely to feel more vulnerable, without always having to resort to another shower scene. 

Also a way to exploit the idea of instantly taking the characters from one of life's most pleasurable situations to life's worst by being savagely killed in some very nasty way - like being rapidly dismembered while still screaming.

I second that.  I never thought of the overuse of sex in horror movies to mean that the directors/writers thought that it was a bad thing and thus the practitioners should be punished.  If anything, I thought that people like Rob Zombie overused sex in horror films because they can't get enough of it.  In Rob's case, it's very obvious that he wants to appeal to the audience who are too lazy to look through Playboy magazines for that sort of entertainment because we have two shots of his wife's ass in The Devil's Rejects for no reason, Michael Myers killing everyone either while or right after they're done having sex in his Halloween remake, and a pile of naked women in The Lords of Salem.  IMO the way Rob does this is disgusting, unappealing, and it just makes me sick.  I definitely agree that anyone with respect for themselves should take a shower after watching his disasters.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 07, 2016, 05:06:01 PMMichael Myers killing everyone either while or right after they're done having sex in his Halloween remake

Actually, there are only six people he attacks/kills who took part in a sex scene. Judith and Steve, Lynda and Bob, and Annie and Paul. The only added copulation is Annie and Paul. Judith's boyfriend wasn't killed in the original, however, and in the remake Annie survives the attack.

Other than them, the uncut version features Michael killing a pair of orderlies after they rape an inmate, which precipitates his escape scene in that version. This scene I actually do object to as it's ultimately in rather poor taste and it doesn't feel right in a Halloween movie. I wish I had the theatrical version which features an entirely different escape scene, and a much more effective escape scene at that.

He kills many, many more people than just them. Which you'd know if you watched more than 25 minutes of it without fast-forwarding. By the way, if this is the only film you've ever watched (only 25 fast-forwarded minutes of) how could you judge The Devil's Rejects and Lords of Salem without having seen them? You've judged these scenes without any actual context as to what's actually happening in them. Lords of Salem at the very least should seem obvious enough as the idea of witches taking part in their rituals in the nude is a very old one.

It sounds to me like you're a bit of a prude. In addition to being the kind of person who threatens people with acts of violence.

No, I'm not letting that go.

While I may not have seen any of his films other than the atrocity in question, do I really need to watch the nude scenes which I've mentioned to know that I would hate them?  In horror films, ALL nudity is the same to me.  It's lame.  It's boring.  It's not needed.

As you all know by now, I have certain "rules" as to where I think nudity does and doesn't belong.  Aside from perhaps The Lords of Salem, I don't think nudity belongs in ANY scene from ANY of Rob's films.  In the instance of his Halloween remake, I think he was very clearly looking for as many opportunities for Michael to kill people while naked as he could, which I find disgusting and offensive.  I must have picked up the theatrical version (thank God for that), as I don't remember there being any such disgusting scene as the one you described.

If people think I'm a prude for being disgusted with Rob's use of nudity, then so be it.  I will remind everyone that part of why I'm disgusted with Rob's use of nudity is because NONE of the actresses that he has in his films are attractive.  They all look like the run-of-the-mill tramp who you'd pull out of a drug store...  Save for his wife, I suppose.  ???

C'mon, guys:

We don't need to call names or belittle anyone else's opinions in order to justify our own.  Everyone is entitled to his/her own likes and dislikes.

Me:  I like naked people.  Seems natural to me.  A "pile of naked women" sounds like the sort of thing I'd like to see.  But the few Rod Zombie movies I have seen, I did not care for.  I am not anxious to see any more of his films.  That's just me.

If you are a fan of his movies, I hope you continue to enjoy them.
 

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 07, 2016, 06:15:04 PMIn the instance of his Halloween remake, I think he was very clearly looking for as many opportunities for Michael to kill people while naked as he could

Again, only six characters in the film participated in a sex scene prior to Michael attacking them, with the majority of characters being attacked in entirely different circumstances. You're acting like everyone he killed was naked when that's simply not the truth. You're a prude, that's how you feel, I don't care, but suggesting that there are more sex scenes than there are brings the discussion into the realm of facts, not opinions, and on this you are objectively wrong.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on November 07, 2016, 07:16:19 PMWe don't need to call names or belittle anyone else's opinions in order to justify our own.  Everyone is entitled to his/her own likes and dislikes.

I swear I'm living in some kind of Twilight Zone episode where I say one thing, and everyone else is hearing a completely different thing.

I don't give a rat's ass how he feels. I'm happy to discuss why I disagree without any quarreling at all. Where I take issue is with his condescending attitude, his constant suggestion that his opinions are facts, and the barrage of insults he is constantly leveling toward people who don't feel the same way he does. And the big rotten cherry on top of all of this is:

HE
THREATENED
TO
ASSAULT
SOMEONE.

Now have I finally made myself clear or are we going to continue pretending that somehow I'M the one who can't handle his opinion when I've said over and over and over again that that is not the case?

Pretty sure we could all use this right meow...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsysNml153M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsysNml153M)

Im on here a LOT, don't usually say much.  I don't know why anyone let's them self get drawn in by this troll.  He's done nothing since he showed up but post continual threads that are meant to be nothing but argumentative egging. 

Quote from: aura of foreboding on November 07, 2016, 08:49:01 PM
Pretty sure we could all use this right meow...

I've never understood why otherwise rational people tolerate cats.

Quote from: Monsters For Sale on November 07, 2016, 09:29:46 PM
I've never understood why otherwise rational people tolerate cats.

That's where you have it backwards.  People don't tolerate cats.  Cats tolerate people. 

Brand new here.  I have to say, entertaining thread but Zombie's wife is NOT hot.  She's just above average. She looks like every other groupie I've ever seen but it doesn't matter what any of us think about his wife. It's HIS wife.  As for the over use of nudity in horror movies, I agree that more often than not it is gratuitous at best. Sometimes it fits. Sometimes it's just an excuse to show T&A.  I'm not at all a prude but it would be nice if they didn't insult our intelligence by using so much of it when they lack in other places. That's just lazy.

Quote from: The Red Death 30 on November 07, 2016, 08:57:45 PM
Im on here a LOT, don't usually say much.  I don't know why anyone let's them self get drawn in by this troll.  He's done nothing since he showed up but post continual threads that are meant to be nothing but argumentative egging.

According to Wikipedia, the definition of an internet troll is, essentially:

...a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.

First and foremost, you obviously don't look at the "Masks and Busts" and "Modern Monster Toys" sections.  To say that I do nothing but post arguments is an instance where you are obviously wrong, as I post plenty of stuff in those sections.  I'm extremely insulted by the fact that my honest opinion on a film is considered trolling.  Arguing about films by Rob Zombie is something that is annoyingly unavoidable, as I've seen people break down into huge arguments on almost every single topic about a Rob Zombie movie on this board and many others.

If you have a personal vendetta against me, tough for you.  Or are you "too good" to even be bothered with acknowledging my existence from here on?

Quote from: aura of foreboding on November 07, 2016, 11:26:03 PM
That's where you have it backwards.  People don't tolerate cats.  Cats tolerate people.

They do. For now...

Quote from: Mike...In 3-D! on November 08, 2016, 08:18:11 AM
They do. For now...

Watch The uncanny with Peter Cushing much?,lol ;)

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 07:03:53 AMmy honest opinion on a film

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Alright, this does it!  Unless someone actually brings up something worth talking/arguing about, this is my last reply to this darn thread.

Since I've gone through this entire thread and read some of the things that BBW wrote for a second time, I'm going to throw in my proper response.  BBW stated that I "disrespected the film as a work of artistic expression".  Alright, here's the problem with that statement in particular: He talks as if the film being a work of artistic expression is a fact, when in reality it's all just a matter of opinion.  The same goes for my thoughts on the film.  It's a matter of opinion.  I'm actually impressed and, dare I say, blown away by the fact that BBW wants to defend works of artistic expression.  I find that to be an admirable quality of a person's moral character (not that I'm in any position to judge that, according to the snob who wrote reply #54 to this thread).  However, as you all know, I didn't view RZ's Halloween remake as a work of artistic expression, based on the 25 minutes that I was able to actually watch.  The fact that it was so bad to me that I could only watch 25 minutes of it should say something.  I viewed it as a cash-grab and a major insult to the original film.  Even if Michael Myers had been a mere human who was brought up in a dysfunctional family thus turning him into a serial killer, the film would have better IMO if said dysfunctional family had been rich snobs or something else of the like, and not distasteful white trash.

In addition, here's another two cents from my wallet.  I view the films that I actually enjoy as works of artistic expression as well, but I find it rather hard to have more respect for peoples' opinions when they've only watched the same films that I enjoy once or twice and then say that a film that I despise is better.  But it's still just their opinions, so I'm not going to get my head in a twist.  Bottom line: I also find it disrespectful to claim that a film in which I despise is better than a film that I enjoy based on one or two viewings of it, and that's also disrespecting a work of artistic expression IMO.

As for violently threatening to assault Rob Zombie...  I think the reason why no one other than BBW has touched base on that is because he is the only person who is taking that statement seriously.  Granted I'd be lying if I said that I didn't want to beat RZ with a baseball bat if he actually remade anything that I like and it turned out to be a disaster, doing so would require me to waste more of my time than I have already.  If someone remakes a film, we still have the DVD copies of the originals.  DVD copies of the originals aren't going to disappear just because someone remakes the film.  In addition, no one is obligated to watch a remake, whether they actually expect the remake to be good or not.  I'm going to ask everyone this: If you had a film that you loved with all of your heart that has essentially become the air you need to live and breath, and then your least favorite filmmaker remade it and said remake turned out to be an atrocity in your opinion, what would you do?

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2016, 09:51:08 AM
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I'm honestly lost on what that gif is supposed to mean.

That's it for me.  In the words of Willy Wonka, "Good day sir(s)!"

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
I'm going to ask everyone this: If you had a film that you loved with all of your heart that has essentially become the air you need to live and breath, and then your least favorite filmmaker remade it and said remake turned out to be an atrocity in your opinion, what would you do?

Honestly? I wouldn't do anything because it's just a movie and it doesn't effect my life past the 2 hours I would spend seeing it. It wouldn't change the original in any way. In no way would I be obligated to see it, buy it, rent it or talk about it ever again. I know how this is how I would react because Rob Zombie remade Halloween in 2007. The original is one of my favorite movies of all-time. His version did nothing for me and I never have to watch it again or spend time talking about it unless I choose to. Rob Zombie didn't come into my house, break my copies of the original and slap my girlfriend. He just made a movie.

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 08, 2016, 08:28:33 AM

Watch The uncanny with Peter Cushing much?,lol ;)

I've never actually seen The Uncanny!

Quote from: Mike...In 3-D! on November 08, 2016, 10:41:56 AM


I've never actually seen The Uncanny!

Here kitty,kitty......

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1qulcx_the-uncanny-1977_shortfilms (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1qulcx_the-uncanny-1977_shortfilms)

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 09:58:19 AM
Alright, this does it!  Unless someone actually brings up something worth talking/arguing about, this is my last reply to this darn thread....

Promises, promises...

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 09:58:19 AMHe talks as if the film being a work of artistic expression is a fact, when in reality it's all just a matter of opinion.

It's a film, depicting a fictitious story using sound and imagery to convey meaning. It is a work of artistic expression. That is an objective fact, not an opinion.

QuoteI viewed it as a cash-grab

I personally disagree. As would Rob, I think. The very fact that the film is so divisive and so different from past films in the series would suggest that it was a personal project for him, not just a quick buck.

That said, it is worth mentioning that Rob dealt with studio meddling quite a bit during the making of both of his Halloween films.

QuoteI find it rather hard to have more respect for peoples' opinions when they've only watched the same films that I enjoy once or twice and then say that a film that I despise is better.

Firstly, you didn't even watch Rob's Halloween all the way through. You barely watched a quarter of the full running time.

Secondly, I don't care if your favorite movie is Citizen Kane and I'm saying Bride of the Monster is a better film. It's still my opinion. You literally just put it down, for everyone to see, that you can't respect an opinion that's different from yours.

QuoteI also find it disrespectful to claim that a film in which I despise is better than a film that I enjoy based on one or two viewings of it, and that's also disrespecting a work of artistic expression IMO.

Again, you literally only watched 25 minutes of the film, per your own words, so not only are you an elitist snob, you're a hypocrite.

QuoteAs for violently threatening to assault Rob Zombie...  I think the reason why no one other than BBW has touched base on that is because he is the only person who is taking that statement seriously. Granted I'd be lying if I said that I didn't want to beat RZ with a baseball bat

I'm going to let that stand by itself.

The devolution of this thread into fighting/trolling/annoyance/being annoyed is, in my considered opinion, the reason why fewer and fewer folks frequent the forums these days. Even Hannibal lecter doesn't like it when people are rude. But he eats them....so that's a little extreme. ;)

IMO this is worth discussing, so I'm not breaking any promises, MFS. 

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2016, 10:57:34 AM
It's a film, depicting a fictitious story using sound and imagery to convey meaning. It is a work of artistic expression. That is an objective fact, not an opinion.

Since that's the case, then so are all of the things that I like.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2016, 10:57:34 AM
I personally disagree. As would Rob, I think. The very fact that the film is so divisive and so different from past films in the series would suggest that it was a personal project for him, not just a quick buck.

Remember that this is coming from the same man who claimed to hate remakes.  He had no problem with remaking Halloween, but his direct response to being offered to remake TCM was "Those movies are perfect - you're only going to make yourself look like an a**hole by remaking them."

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2016, 10:57:34 AM
That said, it is worth mentioning that Rob dealt with studio meddling quite a bit during the making of both of his Halloween films.
Firstly, you didn't even watch Rob's Halloween all the way through. You barely watched a quarter of the full running time.

Practically everyone deals with studio meddling.  It's part of the process of making a film.

Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on November 08, 2016, 10:57:34 AM
Secondly, I don't care if your favorite movie is Citizen Kane and I'm saying Bride of the Monster is a better film. It's still my opinion. You literally just put it down, for everyone to see, that you can't respect an opinion that's different from yours.
Again, you literally only watched 25 minutes of the film, per your own words, so not only are you an elitist snob, you're a hypocrite.

So what?  My opinion on Rob's film automatically has no value or merit because it was so bad for me that I could only watch 25 minutes of it?  I sort of envy those of you with the ability to watch the film in its entirety.

I'll leave everyone with this documentary by Horror is Dead.  It's lengthy, but it's an interesting video.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMVpdUym4r8#)

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 08, 2016, 10:58:33 AM
The devolution of this thread into fighting/trolling/annoyance/being annoyed is, in my considered opinion, the reason why fewer and fewer folks frequent the forums these days. Even Hannibal lecter doesn't like it when people are rude. But he eats them....so that's a little extreme. ;)

People are way worse on Facebook, so I don't know where they think they're going to go to avoid annoyance and trolling.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 11:28:42 AM
So what?  My opinion on Rob's film automatically has no value or merit because it was so bad for me that I could only watch 25 minutes of it?  I sort of envy those of you with the ability to watch the film in its entirety.

Actually, yes, because it is not an informed opinion. If you watched the whole movie and stated your opinion. Then it could be discussed. Basically this accounts for everything in life. Certainly not because I said so, it is just a fact. If there is an accident. Cops don't show up on the scene and ask, just tell me about this part of it. Another example is court cases. All facts must be presented. Other examples are if you want to do your job or career well.

If you eat in a restaurant and order chicken prepared one way. Then you say the restaurant was awful. How do you know that a steak may not have been good or another kind of chicken or pork chops might have been delicious. ;D

There is a saying. "You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts?

thm

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 11:35:59 AM
People are way worse on Facebook, so I don't know where they think they're going to go to avoid annoyance and trolling.

Home, Chakor, they can stay home. Where reside their collections, a good book, television, dvds, etc.  Anywhere but to a place where folks are supposed to share common interests and community....but argue instead. Once that stuff starts....people leave. I know for a fact its why at least 3 members just lurk at best....or have left altogether who used to be quite active.

Quote from: the_horror_man on November 08, 2016, 11:42:00 AM
Actually, yes, because it is not an informed opinion. If you watched the whole movie and stated your opinion. Then it could be discussed. Basically this accounts for everything in life. Certainly not because I said so, it is just a fact. If there is an accident. Cops don't show up on the scene and ask, just tell me about this part of it. Another example is court cases. All facts must be presented. Other examples are if you want to do your job or career well.

If you eat in a restaurant and order chicken prepared one way. Then you say the restaurant was awful. How do you know that a steak may not have been good or another kind of chicken or pork chops might have been delicious. ;D

There is a saying. "You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts?

thm

Hmmm...  On the bright side, I guarantee all of you that I'm not alone in this.  There are hundreds of people who've been extremely put-off (for lack of the better terminology) by some of Rob's films and have stopped watching them before they could finish.  I will say this though: Based on what BBW explained about the film and its plot in his first reply to this thread, it hasn't raised my hopes or expectations for the film at all.  I'm never watching it again.  But by all means, keep the fandom of Rob Zombie going...  I guess.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 11:47:58 AM
Hmmm...  On the bright side, I guarantee all of you that I'm not alone in this.  There are hundreds of people who've been extremely put-off (for lack of the better terminology) by some of Rob's films and have stopped watching them before they could finish.  I will say this though: Based on what BBW explained about the film and its plot in his first reply to this thread, it hasn't raised my hopes or expectations for the film at all.  I'm never watching it again.  But by all means, keep the fandom of Rob Zombie going...  I guess.

Oh, I don't doubt there are many people who don't like Zombie's music or films. However, this is the case with everything in life. As I mentioned earlier, I loved the Devil's Rejects. It is in my top 10 all time favorite Horror/violent films. I did enjoy Halloween, but it is certainly not one of my favorites and Halloween 2 was not good, in my opinion. 

Recently, I watched "31". It had some good parts, but wasn't that great overall. I was going to watch it a second time to see if it grew on me like Devil's Rejects. However,  I never got around to it. I think the parts that I thought were good in "31", were only good because they were similar to The Devil's Rejects.

thm

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 11:47:58 AM
Hmmm...  On the bright side, I guarantee all of you that I'm not alone in this.  There are hundreds of people who've been extremely put-off (for lack of the better terminology) by some of Rob's films and have stopped watching them before they could finish.  I will say this though: Based on what BBW explained about the film and its plot in his first reply to this thread, it hasn't raised my hopes or expectations for the film at all.  I'm never watching it again.  But by all means, keep the fandom of Rob Zombie going...  I guess.

See, that's the thing. That last statement is where you lose me. So what if Rob Zombie's fandom keeps going? You don't have to be included. You can just ignore it. I don't like Rob Zombie's movies and I don't intend to see any more of them, but it won't bug me if he keeps making them. If his movies are enjoyed by others, great. I have no problem with his success. If his movies make more and more money and gain popularity, that doesn't mean my favorite film makers will have to stop making movies.

Quote from: the_horror_man on November 08, 2016, 11:58:25 AM
Oh, I don't doubt there are many people who don't like Zombie's music or films. However, this is the case with everything in life. As I mentioned earlier, I loved the Devil's Rejects. It is in my top 10 all time favorite Horror/violent films. I did enjoy Halloween, but it is certainly not one of my favorites and Halloween 2 was not good, in my opinion. 

Recently, I watched "31". It had some good parts, but wasn't that great overall. I was going to watch it a second time to see if it grew on me like Devil's Rejects. However,  I never got around to it. I think the parts that I thought were good in "31", were only good because they were similar to The Devil's Rejects.

thm

The problem with 31, according to what I've read, is that it was utterly plotless.  A group of circus workers get kidnapped and are forced to play "31", with a group of clowns chasing after them...  For no real reason.  If I'd been writing that film, I would have at least given it more depth.  For example, the rich guys with the big wigs could have been Satan worshipers, and the victims forced to play the game could have been sacrifices to the devil.  Even then, it still wouldn't be a plot that would motivate me to actually watch the film.

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 12:03:02 PM
The problem with 31, according to what I've read, is that it was utterly plotless.  A group of circus workers get kidnapped and are forced to play "31", with a group of clowns chasing after them...  For no real reason.  If I'd been writing that film, I would have at least given it more depth.  For example, the rich guys with the big wigs could have been Satan worshipers, and the victims forced to play the game could have been sacrifices to the devil.  Even then, it still wouldn't be a plot that would motivate me to actually watch the film.

Having watched it, even I am not exactly sure. It seemed like the 3 in charge were rich folks who put these people through hell solely for their entertainment. Sort of like watching a game or sport.

thm

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 11:28:42 AM
IMO this is worth discussing, so I'm not breaking any promises, MFS. ... 

I knew you couldn't do it.  I think we all did.

It's simple.  If people were just going to continue calling me a troll simply because I can't tolerate Rob's Halloween remake, then there was no point in responding.

As a side note, now that I'm back, I have to wonder: Did all of Rob's fans get together at a meeting of some sort to discuss how to deal with hate for their idol?  Because, aside from his fans on this board, they ALL reply to hateful things about him in the exact same way on places like YouTube and Facebook.  They all either say "you're wasting your time hating on Rob Zombie" or "get a life".  Ironic, considering that most of his fans who say this (no one on this board) are mostly losers living in their mother's basements "fopping" to his films.

You Americans have no idea how lucky you are to have basements. No one ever has basements here. I'd love one.

Quote from: long live kong on November 08, 2016, 12:46:40 PM
You Americans have no idea how lucky you are to have basements. No one ever hastaple basements here. I'd love one.

I'm American and I've never had a basement. I know what you mean, though. The basement is the staple of many great horror nightmares. I'd love to have one (or, at least, a cool attic or something).

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 11:47:58 AM
Hmmm...  On the bright side, I guarantee all of you that I'm not alone in this.  There are hundreds of people who've been extremely put-off (for lack of the better terminology) by some of Rob's films and have stopped watching them before they could finish.  I will say this though: Based on what BBW explained about the film and its plot in his first reply to this thread, it hasn't raised my hopes or expectations for the film at all.  I'm never watching it again.  But by all means, keep the fandom of Rob Zombie going...  I guess.

I find the films I have viewed of his to be extremely distasteful. For lack of a better term, the words "raunchy' and "grungy" come to my mind. Yet there are folks who like his work, or it wouldn't be continually financed. Takes all sorts to make a world.

Quote from: Mord on November 08, 2016, 12:51:17 PM
I'm American and I've never had a basement. I know what you mean, though. The basement is the staple of many great horror nightmares. I'd love to have one (or, at least, a cool attic or something).

I used to sleep in the attic when I lived at my parents, and I'm pretty sure it was haunted, but that's a tale for another thread.....

I havent had a basement in 20 years. I certainly wished I had a finished one for all my stuff. So does my wife,lol.

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 08, 2016, 12:52:31 PM
I find the films I have viewed of his to be extremely distasteful. For lack of a better term, the words "raunchy' and "grungy" come to my mind. Yet their are folks who like his work, or it wouldn't be continually financed. Takes all sorts to make a world.

I completely agree Anton.  As I've stated millions of times in this thread already, the concepts/ideas of the film were very offensive to me.  This is why I'm not exactly a "happy camper" when people call me out for not being able to watch two hours of something that offends me.  It's like a black person watching a movie entirely dedicated to calling everyone the "N-word".

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 08, 2016, 12:55:18 PM
I havent had a basement in 20 years. I certainly wished I had a finished one for all my stuff. So does my wife,lol.

My sister lives in London and the place has tons of ancient-looking basements, with little grills at floor level that give a tantalising glimpse inside. They always make me think of HP Lovecraft! 

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 12:55:48 PM
... As I've stated millions of times in this thread already...

Oh, good.  I thought it was just my imagination.

Quote from: long live kong on November 08, 2016, 12:46:40 PMYou Americans have no idea how lucky you are to have basements. No one ever has basements here.

It's Canada where almost all houses have basements.

;)

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 08, 2016, 12:52:31 PMI find the films I have viewed of his to be extremely distasteful. For lack of a better term, the words "raunchy' and "grungy" come to my mind.

"Raunchy" and "grungy" are pluses in my book. Bring on more gratuitous nudity I say!

:D

But movies also need plotlines that make sense.

:-\

I think the mods should lock this topic, along with that old thread about not liking TCM.  Just a suggestion.

Locking might not be a bad idea. Seems to have devolved early. One guy posted like three times how hot Zombie's wife is (down south we'd call her trailer park pretty  ;D) and another guy hollering bring on the nudity makes it look like a bunch of old desperate pervs locked in their mama's basement.  I hope it's all in fun and that other threads aren't like this but as a new  guy  I'm a little creeped out and I'm Creepy Charlie!

Quote from: Anton Phibes on November 05, 2016, 05:32:48 PM

Hey Rob---multiple choice. Guess my response. Ready! GO!

a. I hate it
b. I hate it
c. I would rather have my blood sucked out by leaches than watch it
d. all of the above

I will defend The Devil's Rejects until the cows come home. That is pretty much the only RZ movie I will defend to that extreme. ;D You know its serious if the cows come home. ;D

Also, We need more diverse answers.  ;D How about....

a) would rather take my appendix out with a warm spoon
b) a triple root canal where they go up through the prostate instead of directly into the mouth
c) watching every episode of Gilmore Girls in a row
d) please, any thing but answer c

thm

Quote from: Chakor Channing on November 08, 2016, 07:43:57 PM
I think the mods should lock this topic, along with that old thread about not liking TCM.  Just a suggestion.

I've never understood the wisdom of TV stations being forced to discontinue programs because a few displeased viewers refuse to change the channel.

Quote from: CreepyCharlie on November 08, 2016, 08:19:41 PMLocking might not be a bad idea. Seems to have devolved early. One guy posted like three times how hot Zombie's wife is (down south we'd call her trailer park pretty  ;D) and another guy hollering bring on the nudity makes it look like a bunch of old desperate pervs locked in their mama's basement.

What's wrong with that? Don't you have a basement?

???

LOL. You're right. What was I thinking? 30/40-something birds that never leave the nest and still live at home with their parents are the new cool guys ;D 

Unfortunately, the soil in South Carolina is a rocky red clay. Almost no basements around here  :-\ Oh well.  Maybe I should give up my wife and house and move back in with mama. Just kidding. No basement there either  ;D