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Title: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on November 15, 2013, 08:24:10 PM
I thought it might be neat to post some pre-Black Sabbath Hardrock/Proto-Metal

Starting it off with something I hadn't heard before:The Yardbirds doing a soundcheck prior to a concert.
The Yardbirds - Sound check (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_nMJPCUhcY#)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on November 15, 2013, 08:30:23 PM
Blue Cheer:
Blue Cheer : Just A Little Bit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ2efmwyUJA#)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 20, 2013, 12:37:10 AM
Quote from: Dr.Cyclops on November 15, 2013, 08:30:23 PM
Blue Cheer:
Blue Cheer : Just A Little Bit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ2efmwyUJA#)
Oh yeah, BLUE CHEER!!  The second album is Outsideinside...

Title: Re: Proto-Metal
Post by: Allhallowsday on November 20, 2013, 12:37:47 AM
Their first album, 1968: BLUE CHEER Vincebus Eruptum
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/allhallowsday/BLUECHEERVINCEBUSERUPTUM.jpg) 

THE VELVET UNDERGROUND White Light/White Heat   Their second album is HARD
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff259/allhallowsday/VELVETUNDERGROUNDWhiteLightWhiteHea.jpg)

THE VELVET UNDERGROUND - I Heard Her Call My Name (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJgA-q6nHHI#)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on November 20, 2013, 10:26:52 AM
Here's the seminal LP that for better or worse led to a generation of guitar hot dogging:

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81UI6eeXHCL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)

:-\
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on November 22, 2013, 06:03:15 PM
The Aynsley Dunbar Retaliation: Warning
Aynsley Dunbar Retaliation - Warning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l3c-42huW0#)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on November 28, 2013, 09:40:48 AM
I remember a subscription ad in Rolling Stone magazine where the second album of the Aynsley Dunbar Retaliation, Doctor Dunbar's Prescription, was being offered as an inducement to new subscribers:

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%203/Doctor_zpse888c268.png)

Vanilla Fudge was one of the pioneering heavy metal bands. Here the fellows perform their breakthrough hit on the Ed Sullivan Show:

You Keep Me Hanging On - Vanilla Fudge (https://youtu.be/R3ChToIvLRM)

The above clip highlights the incredible tidal wave of change that occurred in pop rock music between 1965 and 1967.

:)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on November 30, 2013, 07:48:42 PM
I prefer this track by the "Fudge"
Vanilla Fudge - Bang Bang (Beat Club, 1968) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozzlnNRpHO4#ws)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on December 03, 2013, 10:13:35 AM
I've always thought that Vanilla Fudge's crowning achievement was Some Velvet Morning:

VANILLA FUDGE Some Velvet Morning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLn3DY6hLac#)

If though I had to single out the one specific track that spawned the heavy metal movement, it would be this one by Iron Butterfly:

IRON BUTTERFLY - IN A GADDA DA VIDA - 1968 (ORIGINAL FULL VERSION) CD SOUND & 3D VIDEO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVe-rZBcm4#ws)

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on December 07, 2013, 09:08:53 PM
Hard to believe that Vanilla Fudge did "Some velvet morning"
Though I prefer the original:
Lee Hazlewood - Nancy Sinatra, Some Velvet Morning (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb-SVPJM4L4#)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on December 09, 2013, 09:29:09 AM
The Cream were another band who were an immense influence on the heavy metal practitioners who followed:

Cream - Sunshine of Your Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbqQL0J_Vr0#)

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on December 20, 2013, 07:23:45 PM
CREAM - WORLD OF PAIN & WE'RE GOING WRONG - COPENHAGEN 5TH FEBRUARY 1968 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TjWNjSTIOs#)
I highly recommend the RockuDoc:Beware of Mr. Baker!
Ginger's a true Rock rebel
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on December 20, 2013, 07:32:32 PM
Wow this is some rare Deep Purple,I've never seen this before!
Deep Purple Hush (Original Film Clip 1968) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4QBhC1uCP4#)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on December 21, 2013, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: Dr.Cyclops on November 15, 2013, 08:24:10 PMStarting it off with something I hadn't heard before:The Yardbirds doing a soundcheck prior to a concert.

My favourite two tracks by the Yardbirds are still these two:

The Yardbirds - Heart Full of Soul, Shindig!, 1965 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9OJB_AEePQ#)

Jeff Beck & The Yardbirds-Over,Under,Sideways,Down (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enUWa8dUoQc#)

Jeff Beck's guitar playing was ground breaking, even revolutionary!

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on December 28, 2013, 08:19:43 PM
My favorite Yardbirds tune is also Heart Full of Soul
Here's an awesome Live version with Jimmy Page:
Heartful Of Soul - Live Yardbirds (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4AIF8Cl-I#)
If I had to pick a 2nd,3rd and 4th favorite Yardbirds tune:

The Yardbirds- Evil Hearted You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BglFvWRKnOw#)
The Yardbirds - You're a Better Man Than I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPX0mMiObN4#)
THE YARDBIRDS - HAPPENINGS TEN YEARS TIME AGO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G01N__7_Z8Y#)

No Jeff Beck,No Heavy Metal IMHO
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on December 30, 2013, 11:05:47 AM
Quote from: Dr.Cyclops on December 28, 2013, 08:19:43 PMThe Yardbirds- Evil Hearted You (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BglFvWRKnOw#)

Evil Hearted You would be my third place pick from the Yardbirds' catalogue.

Quote from: Dr.Cyclops on December 28, 2013, 08:19:43 PMNo Jeff Beck,No Heavy Metal IMHO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BglFvWRKnOw#)

My word! What an immense and horrible guilt trip to lay on the shoulders of one individual - the responsibility for everything from AC/DC to Van Halen to Guns n' Roses to Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Anthrax, Cradle of Filth and all the other black death metal practitioners! I'm surprised that poor old Jeff is still managing to hang in there.

Here's a cut though from the seminal Truth LP he recorded in 1967 after he left the Yardbirds with Jimmy Page guesting on twelve string rhythm guitar:

Beck's Bolero - Jeff Beck Group (https://youtu.be/nmO0OZC6Ifk)

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on December 31, 2013, 02:31:50 PM
Quote from: Hepcat on December 30, 2013, 11:05:47 AM
Evil Hearted You would be my third place pick from the Yardbirds' catalogue.

My word! What an immense and horrible guilt trip to lay on the shoulders of one individual - the responsibility for everything from AC/DC to Van Halen to Guns n' Roses to Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Anthrax, Cradle of Filth and all the other black death metal practitioners! I'm surprised that poor old Jeff is still managing to hang in there.

Here's a cut though from the seminal Truth LP he recorded in 1967 after he left the Yardbirds with Jimmy Page guesting on twelve string rhythm guitar:

BECK'S BOLERO (1967) by the Jeff Beck Group - with backwards guitar ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmO0OZC6Ifk#)

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To quote Ginger Baker when a 'Fathers of Heavy Metal' statement was thrown at him with regards to Cream.His reply:"It should have been aborted" (Beware Mr.Baker)

With regards to Beck's Bolero
There seems to have been some sneaking around behind the backs of their fellow Yardbirds as this track was recorded in 1966
while both Beck and Page were still both defacto Yardbirds.If you read between the lines it becomes apparent that after Beck was canned and Pagey probably felt bad that his friend was sacked (Page being partly responsible)that he let Beck have this song when in fact it was probably destined to be a Yardbird's track had not Beck been fired.IMO
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on December 31, 2013, 03:20:00 PM
Quote from: Dr.Cyclops on December 31, 2013, 02:31:50 PM
To quote Ginger Baker when a 'Fathers of Heavy Metal' statement was thrown at him with regards to Cream.His reply:"It should have been aborted" (Beware Mr.Baker)

That's because Ginger Baker was steeped in the blues and the more metal deviated from its blues roots, the less he liked it. Me I'm with Ginger Baker. Let me put it this way. I'd rather listen to the Cream or some super group consisting of Jeff Beck, Ginger Baker and a couple of other players than any of those other bands I mentioned.

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on January 01, 2014, 12:52:40 PM
^
100% in agreement.''
Without the Black/Blues element today's Metal is (to borrow a label from Grand Funk) just 'loud white noise'.

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on January 01, 2014, 01:10:25 PM
The Yardbirds - Dazed and Confused LIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dMbTsXUz-g#)
Here's a good example of the sonic direction the Yardbirds' were moving towards (see above)whilst their producer Mickey Most was trying to mold them into the Archies (see below)
The Yardbirds - Ha Ha Said The Clown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6qSJKFbg2Y#ws)


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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on January 02, 2014, 09:23:46 AM
Quote from: Dr.Cyclops on January 01, 2014, 01:10:25 PMHere's a good example of the sonic direction the Yardbirds' were moving towards (see above)whilst their producer Mickey Most was trying to mold them into the Archies.

Mickey Most had built a very successful career being the architect behind a string of hit singles by musicians as diverse as the Yardbirds, Animals, Herman's Hermits, Donovan and Lulu. He was therefore focused entirely on top forty radio hit singles. While very talented in his own right, he was simply the wrong producer for the increasingly sophisticated rock bands of the late sixties who had moved from a focus on hit singles to an album oriented one.

Led Zeppelin's first LP from 1968 was instrumental in launching the heavy metal movement:

Good Times Bad Times (https://youtu.be/TA9Rec1qAFQ)

Communication Breakdown (https://youtu.be/2atkj_KWLl0)

Dazed and Confused (https://youtu.be/yO2n7QoyieM)

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on January 02, 2014, 02:56:50 PM
^
Still my favorite Zep album to this day.

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on January 06, 2014, 09:53:16 AM
Another guitar legend who blazed the trail for heavy metal was Peter Green. Here he is with Fleetwood Mac which he formed in 1967 after leaving John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers:

Need Your Love So Bad (https://youtu.be/_HTUah3ivIo)

Albatross (https://youtu.be/gjOGaDseKgw)

Oh Well (https://youtu.be/uBH3kPfDq4k)

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on January 06, 2014, 06:11:49 PM
Oh yeah Hepcat, I love me some Green tinted Mac
Fleetwood Mac - The Green Manalishi (Digital Remaster) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW6rz7Bv2TA#)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on January 06, 2014, 06:19:58 PM
More hardrock than protometal but one of my favorite songs from an underated band:
Procol Harum - The Devil Came From Kansas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO_NSWFmEdc#ws)
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Dr.Cyclops on January 06, 2014, 06:23:55 PM
Pink Floyd gets HEAVY:
01: The Nile Song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0KH6QWmhrU#ws)

And the badboys of Detroit:
MC5 - Kick out the jams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvJGQ_piwI0#)

Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on January 07, 2014, 01:44:07 PM
Were it not for recordings such as these by the Butterfield Blues Band in 1965-66 featuring Paul Butterfield on harmonica and Michael Bloomfield and Elvin Bishop on lead guitar, heavy guitar based blues-rock might not have carved out a niche in the mainstream music marketplace in the U.S.:

Born in Chicago (https://youtu.be/p-xh-Ot12Yc)

Walkin' Blues (https://youtu.be/T9dkse6R3Tg)

Get Out of My Life Woman (https://youtu.be/4dM5febYr4k)

Quote from: Wikipedia...his storming sound was a major catalyst in bringing electric Chicago blues to white audiences who'd previously considered acoustic Delta blues the only really genuine article.

Interesting that Paul Butterfield Blues Band members Mike Bloomfield, Jerome Arnold on bass and Sam Lay on drums were together with Al Kooper on organ in the five piece band backing up Bob Dylan during the four song set with which he electrified the folk music establishment at the 1965 Newport Folk Festival!

Bob Dylan - Newport Folk Festival

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on January 17, 2022, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: Dr.Cyclops on January 06, 2014, 06:23:55 PMAnd the badboys of Detroit:
MC5 - Kick out the jams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvJGQ_piwI0#)

The Stooges were also from Detroit. Here's perhaps their best proto-metal track:

I Wanna Be Your Dog (https://youtu.be/vwmU343eBu0)

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 18, 2022, 02:51:32 AM
Quote from: Hepcat on January 17, 2022, 08:21:28 PM
The Stooges were also from Detroit. Here's perhaps their best proto-metal track:

I Wanna Be Your Dog (https://youtu.be/vwmU343eBu0)

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on January 29, 2022, 02:35:09 PM
Here is a baker's dozen of pre-1969 proto-metal tracks:


I Put a Spell on You - Screamin' Jay Hawkins (https://youtu.be/7kGPhpvqtOc)

You Really Got Me - Kinks (https://youtu.be/fTTsY-oz6Go)

Over Under Sideways Down - Yardbirds (https://youtu.be/L4DdAs0PddQ)

Devil with a Blue Dress On/Good Golly Miss Molly - Mitch Ryder & the Detroit Wheels (https://youtu.be/51TeD6GwJBo)

Beck's Bolero - Jeff Beck (https://youtu.be/krAlp04UbF8)

Purple Haze - Jimi Hendrix Experience (https://youtu.be/WGoDaYjdfSg)

You Keep Me Hangin' On - Vanilla Fudge (https://youtu.be/R3ChToIvLRM)

Sunshine of Your Love - Cream (https://youtu.be/y_u1eu6Lpds)

Summertime Blues - Blue Cheer (https://youtu.be/YXcYZsqkZ-g)

Born to Be Wild - Steppenwolf (https://youtu.be/igvP806798U)

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida - Iron Butterfly (https://youtu.be/ZCkHanF4v1w)

Five to One - Doors (https://youtu.be/jpDFll30XZU)

Helter Skelter - Beatles (https://youtu.be/vWW2SzoAXMo)


Thoughts? Suggestions? Complaints?

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Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: geezer butler on February 02, 2022, 01:09:08 AM
Another great list Hep. Five to One prob my fav Doors songs. Definitely their heaviest.
Title: Re: Proto-Metal (Pre 1969)
Post by: Hepcat on February 02, 2022, 02:27:21 AM
Hopefully you (and everybody else) realizes that my list consists of links to each track on Youtube.

:)