Quote from: Gillfan on September 14, 2013, 06:37:18 AM
On the subject of Rondo's, I'd like to see Mezco take one home for their Creature as best stylized monster figure.
Unfortunately, there's only one award (which includes model kits). Creature gets my vote, though!
Maybe we could have the UMA AWARDS for toys, kits, etc.?
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 14, 2013, 12:00:18 PM
Unfortunately, there's only one award (which includes model kits). Creature gets my vote, though!
Maybe we could have the UMA AWARDS for toys, kits, etc.?
That's not a terrible idea. But I could see it getting politicized and rancorous. Also, we would really need a substantial "trophy" to send to the winners. Just a verbal "good job" and a jpg image isn't enough. I would want us to do it right or not do it at all. But I do think a legit UMA toy award has credibility.
Quote from: raycastile on September 14, 2013, 02:47:03 PM
That's not a terrible idea. But I could see it getting politicized and rancorous. Also, we would really need a substantial "trophy" to send to the winners. Just a verbal "good job" and a jpg image isn't enough. I would want us to do it right or not do it at all. But I do think a legit UMA toy award has credibility.
I would love to see this on the UMA board. There are some very talented folk on here, not only in the Monster Toy section but the model kit section. Would willingly help where I could too
The Rondos seem to focus heavily on horror journalism, with several related categories. Meanwhile, their one merch category includes T-shirts as well as 3-D items. Unfortunate, as it seems like horror-themed model kits could regularly warrant its own category, as could horror toys.
I'd love to see a UMA awards vote. If you allow all members to vote, I don't see how anyone can get political about the results -- it's not like these toys are deciding national policy. And the award could be as simple as a color printout in an inexpensive frame. We have received some of those from sites, as well as some basic award plaques.
Quote from: King Kang Kong on September 15, 2013, 07:21:52 AM
The Rondos seem to focus heavily on horror journalism, with several related categories.
And film (Best Movie, Best Restoration, etc.)
Quote from: King Kang Kong on September 15, 2013, 07:21:52 AM
I'd love to see a UMA awards vote. If you allow all members to vote. And the award could be as simple as a color printout in an inexpensive frame.
Naturally everyone would vote.
I don't see anything wrong with a nicely printed cert with one of those gold seals or blue ribbon on it.
Sounds do-able to me. I think it would be a blast.
We'll call it the UMMYS! ;D
If the UMA had an annual toy and model award, I'd want it to be the premiere award in the horror collecting hobby, not just another one of many. I'd want it to ne a "real" award. Obviously, there would be categories for toys. I don't know if we should have a mask category. That kind of stomps on the HMA. I'm not sure about resin and vinyl models, either. We've experienced a lot of friction with the garage kit community. I'm not sure they'd want an award from us. Maybe we'd stick with styrene kits.
Quote from: raycastile on September 15, 2013, 03:03:30 PM
I'd want it to ne a "real" award.
What is a "real" award? Like one of them bowling trophies, or an Oscar?
Yes, a real trophy-type award would be a must. We could have a ceremony of some sort at a designated convention each year to distribute them.
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 15, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
What is a "real" award? Like one of them bowling trophies, or an Oscar?
Obviously a bronze version of the Aurora Frankenstein kit! ;D
Quote from: aura of foreboding on September 15, 2013, 05:38:56 PM
Obviously a bronze version of the Aurora Frankenstein kit! ;D
And get sued by Universal.
This sounds like a great idea! Perhaps we could have two polls.
Poll one could decide what categories we should have.Say for example:
-Best monster styrene kit produced
-Best monster action figure
-Best monster statue
-Best monster art (professional)
-Best monster art (amateur)
-Best custom monster figure
-Best custom monster styrene kit
-Best monster kid
-Etc,etc,etc
Every member puts in their 2 cents worth of what categories we should have and then we have a poll to decide say the top ten(or whatever we think is reasonable).
Poll two can be on what the award should be:
- A brass plaque
- A framed printed certificate
- A trophy
- A cold cast bronze bust
- A t-shirt
-Etc,etc,etc
Same again,each member has a say.
We can worry about the design and name of the award when we know what it actually is.
Anyway just something to think about.
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 15, 2013, 06:35:34 PM
And get sued by Universal.
Universal does not own the rights to the kit. Revell does. As for similarities to a certain monster, it's a custom piece. ;) Only a few are made per year. It's art... and it's not even being sold. It's a piece of art gifted to the deserving. ;) No, the only problem I foresee with any of this is Universal trying to get the term UMMY trademarked. ;D
I agree this is worthy of discussion and everyone should have a say. I'm not a fan of polls. By all means, everyone who cares should voice their opinion and provide feedback. But if anything materializes from this discussion, it won't be based on the results of a poll.
In keeping with the "Army" theme of the UMA, the awards should have a military name. I have no knowledge of military awards, so someone who is a military veteran or aficionado can provide suggestions.
Quote from: raycastile on September 15, 2013, 07:23:59 PM
In keeping with the "Army" theme of the UMA, the awards should have a military name. I have no knowledge of military awards, so someone who is a military veteran or aficionado can provide suggestions.
How about a bronzed figure as an award and name it the "UMA Model of Honor".
Oh, good one, Spock!
QuoteI'm not a fan of polls
I know what you mean.How do we decide without going around and around in circles???
I like the bronze figure award idea.
Quote from: raycastile on September 15, 2013, 07:23:59 PM
In keeping with the "Army" theme of the UMA, the awards should have a military name.
I never liked the military denotation. I think army should just mean a large group of people with a common purpose.
Mike, could you move this thread to General Discussion? I think it's broader than the topic of Modern Toys. I'm on a tablet, so I'll probably delete it if I try to move it.
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 15, 2013, 08:17:40 PM
I never liked the military denotation. I think army should just mean a large group of people with a common purpose.
I agree. I was in the United States Army and found nothing cool or remotely compatible with monsters about it. I served and was glad to get back to "the world".
Instead of statues, how about custom neck-order medallions? We could have gold, silver, and bronze?
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/IMG_4936478515539_zps4d66cdab.jpg)
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Quote from: Count_Zirock on September 15, 2013, 08:41:28 PM
Instead of statues, how about custom neck-order medallions? We could have gold, silver, and bronze?
Only $200 each! ;)
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 15, 2013, 08:52:01 PM
Only $200 each! ;)
Not quite.
(http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m76/gillmanfan/DracMedallionAdClrSmall.jpg)
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Quote from: Mike Scott on September 15, 2013, 01:47:33 PM
We'll call it the UMMYS! ;D
Now that sounds cool, Mike. ;D
Quote from: raycastile on September 15, 2013, 03:03:30 PM
If the UMA had an annual toy and model award, I'd want it to be the premiere award in the horror collecting hobby, not just another one of many. I'd want it to ne a "real" award. Obviously, there would be categories for toys. I don't know if we should have a mask category. That kind of stomps on the HMA. I'm not sure about resin and vinyl models, either. We've experienced a lot of friction with the garage kit community. I'm not sure they'd want an award from us. Maybe we'd stick with styrene kits.
What about an award that looks iconic? Like.....an Aurora model?
Quote from: marsattacks666 on September 15, 2013, 11:30:53 PM
What about an award that looks iconic? Like.....an Aurora model?
If we wanted to keep it simple, but still harken back to Aurora and have a bit of the iconic (without the potential legal threats), we could model the award after the base of the Frankenstein kit: the tombstone, the pieces of stone in the ground, and a bit of the grass. Cut the length, so that the base is basically a little longer than the size of the stone. On the stone, we could have the UMA bat wing logo and the name of the award.
Quote from: Count_Zirock on September 15, 2013, 11:10:05 PM
Not quite.
This one is.
(http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/FT408177lg.jpg)
Quote from: marsattacks666 on September 15, 2013, 11:30:53 PM
What about an award that looks iconic? Like.....an Aurora model?
Somebody already suggested the Aurora Frankenstein kit. I think something original would get us in less trouble.
Remember those little tribute to monster kids statues that J. Michael Roddy was doing, a while back? I think something along those lines (but a little simpler) would be nice.
Quote from: aura of foreboding on September 16, 2013, 12:06:01 AM
we could have the UMA bat wing logo and the name of the award.
That would be good on a cert!
QuoteRemember those little tribute to monster kids statues that J. Michael Roddy was doing, a while back?
Nope! Do you have pictures?
Quote from: aura of foreboding on September 16, 2013, 12:06:01 AMIf we wanted to keep it simple, but still harken back to Aurora and have a bit of the iconic (without the potential legal threats), we could model the award after the base of the Frankenstein kit: the tombstone, the pieces of stone in the ground, and a bit of the grass. Cut the length, so that the base is basically a little longer than the size of the stone. On the stone, we could have the UMA bat wing logo and the name of the award.
This is quite doable, actually. In fact, it's so simple, people could sculpt their own at home! And we could call them
The Tombies!And, with homemade decal kits, it'd be pretty easy to print out the UMA logo, names of the winners, categories, etc.
Now, the big question: do we want to align it with a single convention, or try to skip around to as many as possible, to stay neutral? I'd vote for neutrality. Besides, in my present physical & financial conditions, the only con I can make is Mad Monster Party in Charlotte, NC.
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I think it's a terrific, fitting idea.
And the altered tombstone works. Call it The Uum - (Rhymes with "tomb") - ie.
-Craig
First, I love the idea of the awards.
Second, although a custom bronze award sounds great, the cost is something to consider. I envision 12-24 categories and when you start to multiply out the cost...
I think for the first few years, perhaps a simple custom engraved marble plaque, showcasing a UMA logo. something like this:
(http://www.promoplace.com/ws/ws.dll/QPic?SN=50260&P=911163752&RS=300)
Also, while running awards like these seems like a simple affair, we are really talking about hundreds and most likely thousands of hours of work to do it correctly (ie pictures of all the merchandise, checking release dates, making sure categories are correct, tabulating votes)
Regarding models, I would suggest categories for Best Licensed Model and for Best Original Character/concept.
Lastly, until we get a tv deal like the Oscars, I think all members should have an opportunity to vote BUT there should be a nominal fee (say $10) to cover the cost of the awards.
Quote from: raycastile on September 15, 2013, 03:03:30 PMI'm not sure about resin and vinyl models, either. We've experienced a lot of friction with the garage kit community. I'm not sure they'd want an award from us. Maybe we'd stick with styrene kits.
You'll get no argument from me. I'm a styrene purist anyway.
;)
Quote from: raycastile on September 15, 2013, 07:20:44 PMI'm not a fan of polls.
Why not? I'll grant you that there's a very reasonable argument to be made for the thesis that the only opinions worth their salt are ones to which a certified cheque is attached, but I don't believe that's what you're arguing.
???
Quote from: Gillfan on September 16, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
. . we are really talking about hundreds and most likely thousands of hours of work to do it correctly
I'm out! ;D
Quote from: Gillfan on September 16, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
I think all members should have an opportunity to vote BUT there should be a nominal fee (say $10) to cover the cost of the awards.
I think we'll get too many "ties" from the 2 people who pay to vote.
Quote from: Gillfan on September 16, 2013, 07:31:16 PM
BUT there should be a nominal fee (say $10) to cover the cost of the awards.
A poll tax? We joined this army to fight such things!
Mike, you can't be out with THAT rank! O0
If you let the nominators post the pictures of what they nominate, that could save you time down the road. You'd just have to set up the necessary forum and threads.
A bronze award sounds swanky, and the tombstone idea is very cool, but I don't know how the "pay to vote" thing will work out for you. There's really no shame in a certificate, but you can always solicit donations and see what you can afford with what you accumulate. Maybe a customizer and a caster from the board can team up and make something cool, depending on the number of categories and how much resin you can afford. (I was going to suggest putting a realistic human heart on a pedestal and painting it purple, to combine the horror and military themes, but I will digress.)
Sorry, I probably shouldn't be involved. Really, I just want DST to win an UMMY. Or a Tombie. Or a Tomber. ("It's not a Tomber!")
Quote from: King Kang Kong on September 17, 2013, 12:38:03 AM
Sorry, I probably shouldn't be involved.
Why not,your a member !
What about a cold cast bronze relief plaque as the award.There's very little clean up.The relief sculpture could be based on a classic toy or an original character.
What the award symbolizes means much more than the monetary cost. As long as it looks cool it doesn't have to be expensive. I think donations are the way to go. Paying to vote seems off putting to the monstering masses.
Quote from: Dr Wolfenstein on September 17, 2013, 02:13:44 AM
The relief sculpture could be based on a classic toy or an original character.
I thought of that, too. like a bronze Marx Frankenstein on some sort of base.
Btw, how about UMAMA (Universal Monster Army Medal of Achievement)? ???
And, no, I'm not insinuating anything about your mom. ::)
Yes? No? Maybe?.....nah....didn't think so. :D
...
How about a Cthulhu as an award. We do have some talented sculptors in this group.
BK
Quote from: michblk on September 17, 2013, 07:59:05 PMHow about a Cthulhu as an award. We do have some talented sculptors in this group.
BK
Nothing about Cthulhu says Universal Monster Army, though. I like the idea of a tombstone, cemetery, or even a coffin lid with the UMA logo on it. These things are seen in most Universal Pictures horror films, without being specific to any one film or character. Cthulhu is too specific a character, and, as much as I love HPL...most of the films based on his works were AIP faux-Poe movies.
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It's too bad Monster Bash already has "The Forry" award. That would be perfect for the UMA.
I'd like us to start thinking more along those lines. Not necessarily something Forry-related, but let's try to tune our brainwaves to that frequency.
If the award is for toys, a toy related theme makes the most sense to me.
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 17, 2013, 11:34:51 PM
If the award is for toys, a toy related theme makes the most sense to me.
Will it be just toys, though? Isn't the idea to fill the gaps left by other awards, like the Rondos? They'll have Tweeterhead's upcoming Elvira statue running against Factory Entertainment's "The Mummy" Scarab Ring, whereas we could make separate categories. That way, things like statues would be one category, action figures another, models, prop replicas, posters (like those Mondo film posters), high-end figures (like Distinctive Dummies and Hot Toys and Sideshow), etc, could all be separate. Original figures, like U.P.'s Sasquatch or Frankenstein, would also be separate, but we could have a category for customized figures, like that cross-impaled Distinctive Dummies' Dracula.[/my-two-cents-worth]
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I'd like categories similar to The Poppies:
http://www.mwctoys.com/poppies_12.htm (http://www.mwctoys.com/poppies_12.htm)
Quote from: Count_Zirock on September 18, 2013, 12:23:18 AM
Will it be just toys, though?
I'm talking about the actual physical award. There could only be one design, like the "Rondos" Rondo head.
Quote from: Gillfan on September 18, 2013, 05:07:38 AM
I'd like categories similar to The Poppies:
Hmmm? Perhaps this should be looked into, first. Wouldn't want to be the sixth guys handing out awards for the same thing.
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 18, 2013, 01:26:27 PMHmmm? Perhaps this should be looked into, first. Wouldn't want to be the sixth guys handing out awards for the same thing.
I agree. We should select from categories something like these but only if they don't duplicate other awards:
Quote from: Dr Wolfenstein on September 15, 2013, 06:44:35 PM...what categories we should have. Say for example:
-Best monster styrene kit produced
-Best monster action figure
-Best monster statue
-Best monster art (professional)
-Best monster art (amateur)
-Best custom monster figure
-Best custom monster styrene kit
-Best monster kid
cl:)
Quote from: raycastile on September 17, 2013, 11:00:18 PM
It's too bad Monster Bash already has "The Forry" award. That would be perfect for the UMA.
I'd like us to start thinking more along those lines. Not necessarily something Forry-related, but let's try to tune our brainwaves to that frequency.
Would Bob Burns be the next closest similar to Uncle Forry?
How about one of our own members - The Robert Taylor award? lol :)
BK
You could even do a piece of lab equipment and call it the VOLT. Vote for the VOLT and give everyone a jolt!
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 18, 2013, 01:26:27 PM
Hmmm? Perhaps this should be looked into, first. Wouldn't want to be the sixth guys handing out awards for the same thing.
Well, the UMA version would be all monster centric, and therefore, the best.
Also, I must share this, I had an acquaintance who one commented "I don't understand why the Oscars and the Academy Awards are always on the same night. They really should space them out more."
I was literally speechless. For a moment I thought she broke my brain.
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 18, 2013, 01:26:27 PM
Hmmm? Perhaps this should be looked into, first. Wouldn't want to be the sixth guys handing out awards for the same thing.
Those Poppies are coming from a completely different place. They're all about picking the most insanely detailed, big ticket, Hot Toys super deluxe collector's figure, or hyper-articulated Ninja Turtles. There are some monsters here and there, but the focus is on super heroes and fantasy.
Here's the award we need to use.
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/creepyjeepy/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg) (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/creepyjeepy/media/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg.html)
That is just so wrong!!
Quote from: CreepyJeff on September 18, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/creepyjeepy/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg) (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/creepyjeepy/media/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg.html)
Quote from: raycastile on September 18, 2013, 09:35:24 PM
Those Poppies are coming from a completely different place.
OK, but I don't get around much, so if anybody does know of awards similar to what we're thinking of, let us know.
Quote from: CreepyJeff on September 18, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Here's the award we need to use.
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/creepyjeepy/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg) (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/creepyjeepy/media/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg.html)
Where's the award? All I see is a picture of Terry. He's looking good these days.
The award should be in the form of a plastic model kit that the winner has to put together and paint. ;D
(Though I admit that would be a much better award for a model builders society.)
Quote from: CreepyJeff on September 18, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Here's the award we need to use.
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/creepyjeepy/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg) (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/creepyjeepy/media/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg.html)
Wow!!! Scary. :o
I don't want that in my house.
Quote from: CreepyJeff on September 18, 2013, 10:03:40 PM
Here's the award we need to use.
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f161/creepyjeepy/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg) (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/creepyjeepy/media/UMAAward_zpsc8c5d1de.jpg.html)
Looks like a cursed object. >:D
Quote from: horrorhunter on September 19, 2013, 01:05:44 PM
Looks like a cursed object. >:D
Or a cursing object! Complete with soundchip.
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The watchtower from the original Frankenstein film, might make an interesting trophy.(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/Baronscrypt666/universal-1362278644-4991_zpsc1979709.jpg)
The award should be called "The Potato," in honor of The Old Dark House. It should look like a lumpy potato standing on end. During the award ceremony, as we hand each winner their trophy, the presenter will say, "Have a potato."
I still like the idea of Dracula-type neck medallions. Or the tombstone model kits.
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I've thought about doing this several times over the years. I thought it would be cool to do a trophy like the Aurora award:
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd71/actionplus/1stplace_zpse25056b8.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/actionplus/media/1stplace_zpse25056b8.jpg.html)
So many choices!!! My 'ead is going to explode!!! :o
Quote from: poseablemonster on September 21, 2013, 09:58:00 AM
I've thought about doing this several times over the years. I thought it would be cool to do a trophy like the Aurora award:
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd71/actionplus/1stplace_zpse25056b8.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/actionplus/media/1stplace_zpse25056b8.jpg.html)
+1
Quote from: poseablemonster on September 21, 2013, 09:58:00 AM
I've thought about doing this several times over the years. I thought it would be cool to do a trophy like the Aurora award:
(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd71/actionplus/1stplace_zpse25056b8.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/actionplus/media/1stplace_zpse25056b8.jpg.html)
The twist with our trophy would be that the Peanut Butter Cup would actually be edible.
Quote from: raycastile on September 21, 2013, 05:19:10 PMThe twist with our trophy would be that the Peanut Butter Cup would actually be edible.
Wait, what? They're NOT edible?
*gag, sputter, vomit*
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I wish we could call the award the UMA "ZOLARR". It sounds very sleek and futuristic, and would be a grand tribute to a man who was also a Fine ARTIST and designer.
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Quote from: Mike Scott on September 19, 2013, 10:20:11 AMThe award should be in the form of a plastic model kit that the winner has to put together and paint. ;D
Yes! I agree!
8)
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 19, 2013, 10:20:11 AMThe award should be in the form of a plastic model kit that the winner has to put together and paint.
Which the award-winner could then enter in next year's contest, and win
another award!
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I've been following along with this thread, and absolutely LOVE the idea of annual UMA awards! I had a few thoughts:
- Cost. Would some sort of crowdfunding be an option for helping to cover the costs of creating the actual awards and any costs that might come up as a result of creating an annual UMA awards "program"? I don't know what kind of rewards or incentives could be offered off the top of my head (the idea of potential nominees donating their own artwork/products as rewards might not necessarily be the best idea as we'd want the crowdfunding campaign to appear as neutral as possible), but if there are any UMA t-shirts floating around somewhere or something like that, that might work! Kickstarter's rules are that rewards need to be somehow related to or created by the people behind the Kickstarter campaign, and I'm sure there are plenty of non-eligible-for-the-UMA-award-creative types around here that might be interested in getting involved!
- Social media/internet awareness. I would gladly dedicate a portion of my Monster Kid Radio podcast to host official announcements about the awards (announcing nominees, playing and producing promotional ads for the awards, etc), creating awareness on Facebook and other parts of the podosphere/blogosphere/etc. Having a live awards ceremony somewhere would be amazing, but not everyone can travel, so I'd be happy to host interviews with winners or spotlight voting categories or anything else we can think of on my podcast!
- Voting. Paying for votes seems like a really good way to keep the voting numbers down. Not only would this discourage casting a wider net for a larger voting pool, but it could also turn into a administrative headache for those collecting votes/money. Instead, why not set up a form through Google Docs? When I was producing the Mail Order Zombie podcast, I ran a yearly awards show, and the final three years of that, I collected the votes through a Form through Google Docs. I stressed that only entries with a valid email address would be accepted, and this allowed me to cut down on people voting more than once (I'm sure there were people with multiple email addresses voting every year, but you're going to find people gaming the system no matter how you do it). I'd volunteer to help create the Google docs form and tally the votes.