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Collecting Monsters => Memorable Memorabilia => Topic started by: moonvisage on October 24, 2008, 11:41:36 PM

Title: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 24, 2008, 11:41:36 PM
I have a few questions,regarding the different dracula rings around.the first is about the Forrest J Ackerman ring.

1: Has the Forrest J Ackerman dracula ring actually been released yet? I am asking this,because i cannot find any reference to it apart from in this forum and a few other sites,and no place that mentions it has stocked it,or does stock it. ( I would like to buy it ).

The other question,is regarding the Official Christopher Lee dracula ring.

The official christopher lee site says the following about the ring they sell:

'' This will probably be the ONLY chance you may get to own one as they are no longer in production.

This is the ONLY ring which has been made from the ORIGINAL mould and is an exact copy of classic Universal Pictures Dracula Ring, worn by Lon Chaney Jr., John Carradine, Bela Lugosi and of course, Mr. Lee. It is exactly the same as Mr. Lee's and was produced by Robert Shomer, who is the present copyright owner of the design.

The metal used is silver. It has an adjustable band with fits all finger sizes.

The ring comes with a Certificate of Authenticity, giving the full story of the ring.

Note: This item may take 15 days to ship due to high demand. The box is for illustration purposes only.

Price: £49.99 ''

2: Is the above information true? It is as if the christopher lee site is saying that the Forrest J Ackerman ring was not made from the original mould.

3:  I have seen two pictures of the christopher lee dracula ring,and they only look like the very front seal design has been replicated,and not any part of the band. Is this the case?

a few pictures of the rings in question:

1: christopher lee ring ( i am not sure if the two rings are the same ).
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/bloodgorged/chrisleedracring.jpg%5Bimg%5D%3Cbr%20/%3E%3Cbr%20/%3E%5Bimg%5Dhttp://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/bloodgorged/dracring1.jpg)


2: bela lugosi ring
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/bloodgorged/forrestjackermandracularing.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/bloodgorged/universalstudiosdracularing.jpg)


Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 24, 2008, 11:44:48 PM
I do apologise.the christopher lee pictures do not seem to have shown.I will try again.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/bloodgorged/dracring1.jpg)


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g104/bloodgorged/chrisleedracring.jpg)


  I do not personally own either ring myself,so i have had to use pictures obtained from the internet.I am planning on buying the christopher lee dracula ring.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: BARON TIMOTHEUS BGG on October 25, 2008, 07:32:17 AM
Dear MOONVISAGE,
... My understanding is, that, the Copyright, on the original UNIVERSAL DRACULA ring, is held by RICHARD SHEFFIELD & another Gentleman {? ROBERT SHOMER ?}, as UNIVERSAL did not copyright the design.
... FORRY owned it, via his friendship, with BELA LUGOSI & RICHARD SHEFFIELD, and, loaned it, as the story goes, to CHRISTOPHER LEE, and, he wore it, in his HAMMER DRACULA Films.
... I purchased, from RICHARD SHEFFIELD, directly, the last copy, from the original striking, at THE MONSTER BASH, in AD 2007, when I performed, both, my STOKER Speeches, from DRACULA, &, THE FRANKENSTEIN MONSTER'S Final soliloquy, from MARY SHELLEY'S Novel.
... I'll pass this thread along to the LUGOSIPHILIA Group, where RICHARD is an Esteemed Member, for full verification... Otherwise, FORRY'S & LEE'S Versions, are one & the same.
EXANIMO EVERNOW,
TIMMY & THE BARON & THE COUNT & FRIENDS, GOO-O-OODD-D!, B.G.G.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Toy Ranch on October 25, 2008, 10:46:45 AM
This is the Qmx recreation of the ring Forry owns. 

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/225/476275681_ef7ebcfeeb_o.jpg)

This is the packaging

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/224/476275687_bf05a155e6_o.jpg)

This is the copy of the same ring that Richard Sheffield has been selling.

(http://www.geocities.com/marcusfayne/shefdrac2.jpg)

This is Forry's original.
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/476671506_724fa69ea5_o.jpg)

The ring was worn by Lugosi in House of Dracula and Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein

Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on October 25, 2008, 01:09:23 PM
This is some awesome information.  I appreciate all those who posted this.  I have just ordered the ring myself and am looking forward to getting it.  Love the photos.  I am having it shipped here to Iraq so I will at least have one cool prop with me for a bit.  I will probably take it home with me on R&R in December. 

Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Nicole on October 25, 2008, 01:22:32 PM
The Dracula ring is pretty cool. I wish I knew what version of the ring Mojica has. His doesn't quite match any of those.

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg138/coffinjoefan/ring_closeup.jpg)

Even the band looks different:

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg138/coffinjoefan/ring_side_view.jpg)

Anyone have any idea?
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 25, 2008, 01:27:32 PM
Thank you so very much for all the incredibly helpful replies.It looks to me,now the ring information and pictures have been condensed into 3 posts,a lot easier to see and know who had made and released each individual ring.
From this simplified thread,the information has stopped all confusion for me,and judging by wolfman's wonderful post,wolfman also.
From what i see,the following is now essential knowledge to me

1: The universal QMX forrest j ackerman bela lugosi dracula ring has a red stone backing.

2: the christopher lee robert shomer dracula ring has a black stone backing.

3: the richard sheffield dracula ring has no stone backing.

Now all i have to do is try and buy the christopher lee dracula ring,and spend the next few years,waiting for the QMX dracula ring to pop up on ebay.
Once again,thank you all so very much for being so kind and considerate,as to condense all the vital information and pictures into 3 condensed post,and,of course,replying to my many questions.I deeply and eternally appreciate it.
It is very unfortunate,but it does seem the christopher lee dracula ring is the only dracula ring available at present.
As i am typing,wolfman and nicole have replied,so i am trying to update every time i click to post this reply :) I have never seen that ring nicole,so i cannot help you i'm afraid.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Toy Ranch on October 25, 2008, 02:10:54 PM
This is very interesting...

http://www.christopherleeweb.com/catalog/movie-props/dracula-ring

This will probably be the ONLY chance you may get to own one as they are no longer in production.

This is the ONLY ring which has been made from the ORIGINAL mould and is an exact copy of classic Universal Pictures Dracula Ring, worn by Lon Chaney Jr., John Carradine, Bela Lugosi and of course, Mr. Lee. It is exactly the same as Mr. Lee's and was produced by Robert Shomer, who is the present copyright owner of the design.

The metal used is silver. It has an adjustable band with fits all finger sizes.

The ring comes with a Certificate of Authenticity, giving the full story of the ring.

Note: This item may take 15 days to ship due to high demand. The box is for illustration purposes only.

Price: £49.99

(http://www.christopherleeweb.com/files/imagecache/product/files/ubercart_images/dracring1.jpg)



So we have Richard Sheffield, who was given the ring by Bela Lugosi claiming copyright ownership.

Richard gave it to Forry, who allowed Qmx to reproduce it (and signed a COA stating that it was the ring Bela wore in the original Dracula, which is not the case.  However I think this is what Forry believed and he wasn't trying to deceive anyone).  As far as I'm aware, Qmx didn't license anything through Richard Sheffield. 

And now this (British?) fellow named Robert Shomer who claims to own the copyright, and produced a ring with a black background, and says it's an "exact copy" although it has a black background??? 

There have been numerous "exact" copies of this ring over the years.  I've seen the original ring before, in person, and I own the Qmx ring.  Here are all of them side by side.  What do you think?  I'm only seeing one exact copy here.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/2972506012_006e7c388d_o.jpg)

Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on October 25, 2008, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: Nicole on October 25, 2008, 01:22:32 PM
The Dracula ring is pretty cool. I wish I knew what version of the ring Mojica has. His doesn't quite match any of those.

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg138/coffinjoefan/ring_closeup.jpg)

Even the band looks different:

(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg138/coffinjoefan/ring_side_view.jpg)

Anyone have any idea?


Coffin Joe's ring looks like a jeweler-made silver base, made to accomodate a Famous Monsters-sold "Dracula Ring Pin", which was cast off of Forry's original. They were sold in FM for $49.95 I think, as I bought one. It would be easy to remove the pin/holder and insert it into the setting and fold over the little tabs that surround the ring's setting to hold it in. It looks like most of the gold plating has worn off.

Oh...and note the silver bracelet. Lots of jewelers/silversmiths and lots of silver produced 'down south'. I'm sure he has a jeweler friend.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on October 25, 2008, 02:28:51 PM
I agree with Toy Ranch, there appears to be only one good copy.  The one being sold on Mr. Lee's website however may be the only one available at the moment so I thought it would be a cool one to pick up.

The cost in US funds by the way it 85.00 including the shipping.  I will try and post some photos once it arrives to help out others considering the purchase. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Toy Ranch on October 25, 2008, 02:56:12 PM
Quote from: Wolf Man on October 25, 2008, 02:28:51 PM
I agree with Toy Ranch, there appears to be only one good copy.  The one being sold on Mr. Lee's website however may be the only one available at the moment so I thought it would be a cool one to pick up.

The cost in US funds by the way it 85.00 including the shipping.  I will try and post some photos once it arrives to help out others considering the purchase. 

I'd be very interested in seeing a good closeup of that ring.  It looks like it has more detail than Forry's original, which means either it was enhanced, or more likely it's made from an earlier cast. Silver is soft and it wears down. 

Here's a listing from today on Craigslist.
http://orlando.craigslist.org/clt/891357893.html

(http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-89420587738193_2023_38929086)
This is Dimensional Designs.  Yet another one... 
http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/crofdrri.html



Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Nicole on October 25, 2008, 03:11:38 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on October 25, 2008, 02:12:47 PM

Coffin Joe's ring looks like a jeweler-made silver base, made to accomodate a Famous Monsters-sold "Dracula Ring Pin", which was cast off of Forry's original. They were sold in FM for $49.95 I think, as I bought one. It would be easy to remove the pin/holder and insert it into the setting and fold over the little tabs that surround the ring's setting to hold it in. It looks like most of the gold plating has worn off.

Oh...and note the silver bracelet. Lots of jewelers/silversmiths and lots of silver produced 'down south'. I'm sure he has a jeweler friend.

Thank you for the info, Bob. If this is true, this changes what little I thought I knew about the history of Mojica's ring. Now you have me intrigued.

By the way, he is wearing a watch in that photo, not a bracelet. :P The watch is a modern piece that was sold by an online gothic jewelry store. You can't make it out well from the photo, but the covering over the watch face is actually a skull.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 25, 2008, 03:19:02 PM
I have just been to www.christopherleeweb.com  and bought the dracula ring.it cost me £60.32 with VAT and postage.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on October 25, 2008, 04:18:49 PM
Point being that the ring and the "crest" look to be different metals, and it would be super easy for a jeweler to make a silver ring to hold the FM pin.

Here is the plated pin in unused shape-

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g107/backlotcharlie/RINGG.jpg)

The lower pic is my wedding ring, hand made in 14kt by a Hispanic jeweler I know (my design), just to show what is possible. The gold 'bats' ring would be much tougher to make.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: HARRY HAMMOCK on October 25, 2008, 04:54:30 PM
I had one of the pins made into a ring by a jewler in N.C. and got  the Real Dracula crest(Vlad) ring off ebay years ago(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/barnabus/000_0132.jpg)  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/barnabus/000_0134.jpg)  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/barnabus/000_0133.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on October 25, 2008, 05:17:31 PM
Ok, why was your ring more expensive from Christopher Lee's site and what is a VAT?  Call me ignorant. 

There are several "real" Dracula crest rings on E-Bay right now. 

This thread gets more interesting and informational all the time.  Thanks for posting all this as my favorites are getting more meat. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Toy Ranch on October 25, 2008, 07:47:38 PM
VAT is value added tax, it's a Canadian thing ;)
Actually, we have it too, but I think it kicks in at $500 and it's called "Duty".
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 25, 2008, 07:53:38 PM
The basic price stated is £49.99
Here is the invoice run down sent to me as i bought it wolfman:

Product subtotal: £49.99

shipping world quote: £1.58

subtotal excluding taxes: £51.57

VAT: £8.75

total for this order: £60.32

products on order: 1 x dracula ring - £49.99

To try and answer your question wolfman,although i am no expert,V.A.T  is a tax the british government put on all items and products,to earn money for themselves.V.A.T ,surprisingly,stands for: Value Added Tax.
One nasty ploy sellers use,is to use the term: INC  V.A.T
Most people think this means Including V.A.T in the price stated,but more frequently,it actually means: Inclusive of V.A.T .... which means: V.A.T  NOT included in the price stated.Sellers are allowed to use this manipulation of the term INC,in the u.k,which draws in and hoodwinks millions of people into buying what they think is an item at a pretty cheap price,only to find they then have to pay Value Added Tax.
The V.A.T i paid on the dracula ring is: £8.75  which is a lot of bloody money from one transaction for the government.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Toy Ranch on October 25, 2008, 07:57:57 PM
Ah, the British call it VAT as well.  But I think it's not charged if you buy it from the US.  I've never been hit with VAT buying from the UK.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 25, 2008, 08:25:35 PM
When we in the u.k buy anything from abroad,as soon as it hits our shores,we are forced to pay another kind of tax called: Duty Tax.I don't know much about duty tax,whether it is part of V.A.T  or an extra individual tax.It may be included in the shipping price when we pay,or slapped on us when it arrives.I have heard people get letters from customs and excise demanding payment of Duty Tax when an item arrives from abroad,but i am unsure of the circumstances.A lot of the time,the letters say: Pay Up,Or Lose The Item!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Toy Ranch on October 25, 2008, 08:30:25 PM
A friend of mine in the UK told me the other day that any item over $20 in value he has to pay 100% tax on it.  So if he buys a $500 item from the US, when it arrives, he has to pay $1000.  OUCH!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 25, 2008, 09:12:03 PM
The government can be pretty brutal to people here.I do know,that if an item on ebay says: $100.00, which is about £50.00 here in the u.k,by the time we actually recieve the item,we pay £100.00.so,when i see $100.00,i know i will have to pay the exact same equivellent in u.k pounds £100.00.They literally double the price with taxes.
By the way Toy Man,I have just been to another forum trying to find stills and pictures of the original Bela Lugosi Ring,from the film dracula 1931.The members there seem to be incredible at acquiring really rare pictures etc,so i thought i would ask them for help,regarding pictures and stills of the dracula ring.I used the magnificent array of ring pictures that you condensed into a small strip side by side to each other,as it is perfect for comparrisons,to show them.I really hope you do not mind me using the picture you created,and acknowledging you in the thread i started at the  monsterkidclassichorrorforum?
If any of the members there,can supply a close up still or picture of the ring,i will post it in this thread,so we can all study it,and see which modern repro dracula ring is the closest to the original dracula ring worn by bela lugosi.If you want to check it out,the thread is in the Universal Horrors section there.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on October 25, 2008, 09:13:13 PM
That is indeed terrible!  I did not have to pay that for mine.  I am sorry you have to pay more than most of us for the same product.  That is just plain wrong.  I hate when there are taxes and or hidden charges added like that.  

At least on the good side you will be getting a good prop to add to your collection.  
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 25, 2008, 09:28:02 PM
Thank you very much wolfman,that is a really kind and considerate thing to say.Sometimes we can get deals on used items on ebay,where we pay only what we finally bid to pay.that's why i buy most of my things from ebay.If i win an item for $100.00 / £50.00 in uk money,I only pay the £50.00,instead of £100.00
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on October 25, 2008, 10:25:22 PM
Well, definately good luck with E-bay.  I mentioned earlier there are two historical Dracula crest rings for bid.  I will keep my eyes peeled for you and if I run across anything will let you know.  I hope that will help. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 25, 2008, 11:18:16 PM
wow,that is incredibly kind and considerate of you wolfman.I seriously appreciate that.Thank you so very much.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Nicole on October 26, 2008, 12:31:32 AM
Quote from: Monster Bob on October 25, 2008, 04:18:49 PM
Point being that the ring and the "crest" look to be different metals, and it would be super easy for a jeweler to make a silver ring to hold the FM pin.

Here is the plated pin in unused shape-

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g107/backlotcharlie/RINGG.jpg)

The lower pic is my wedding ring, hand made in 14kt by a Hispanic jeweler I know (my design), just to show what is possible. The gold 'bats' ring would be much tougher to make.

I dig that wedding ring, Bob. Very cool.

Now that the mystery is solved, do you know where I could find one of these pins? Are they very hard to get?
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on October 26, 2008, 05:12:13 AM

thanks, Nicole. I would say ebay would be the place to find one of these, though honestly, I haven't seen them around but a couple of times.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 29, 2008, 09:38:30 PM
Seeing as this Crest Of Dracula Ring does not have a price stated,i have just sent an email to Dimensionaldesigns.com enquiring about the price and shipping to the United Kingdom.

http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/crofdrri.html
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 29, 2008, 09:46:54 PM
Also,at another forum,a very kind gentleman went out of his way to take a close up of the original 1931 dracula film ring.it is a still from the actual film itself,taken by the gentleman Count Gamula himself,and blown up so we can actually see it.
Here is a picture of it:

(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii132/grenfellman/1931draculafilmringcloseupnodesignj.jpg?t=1225335002)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 29, 2008, 09:49:27 PM
i will try posting the picture again:
(http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii132/grenfellman/?action-view&current=1931draculafilmringcloseupnodesignj.jpg)

I do apologize,i just can't seem to get the picture to show up.

try again:
http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii132/grenfellman/?action=view&current=1931draculafilmringcloseupnodesignj.jpg (http://s263.photobucket.com/albums/ii132/grenfellman/?action=view&current=1931draculafilmringcloseupnodesignj.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on October 29, 2008, 10:02:10 PM
I noticed,along with Count Gamula,that the original 1931 film dracula ring,does NOT have a crest design on the face at all.It is,what appears to be,an absolutely smooth black stone.perhaps the stone is black onyx?so,judging by that close up picture as verification,the crested dracula rings on sale,are all based on a later film version.
I guess the closest we can get to the original 1931 film dracula ring,would be to get a cast of the Forry/QMX  ring band only,and go to a jeweller,and ask him to fit a smooth oval shaped black onyx stone onto the face.

If anyone can repost the photo successfully,i would be deeply grateful...as the link goes to my private pictures site on photobucket,and strangers can have a look around at my even stranger collections ;D Thank you in advance.

Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on October 30, 2008, 04:04:48 AM
Remember though, and this comes from dealing with movie props for a long time, that during the film making process there are often multiple props depending on the purpose of the shot.  For example, they may have a really nice hero prop of a finely jeweled crested ring for a close up shot and then use a simplified el cheapo version for other shots. 

In another film I follow there were three to four different versions of the same weapon for the same character and they were all distinctly different.  Some of us "fanatics" have blown up all the photos and can tell the difference between each prop and what scene each one was in. 

When making a film the makers don't really count on legions of fans blowing up every photo and studying every prop in detail.  This accounts for all the variations not to mention the variations between films.  More than likely there have been many versions of Dracula's ring and there may be variations of that prop within the same film. 

Just food for though to keep in mind. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on October 30, 2008, 05:34:31 AM

Very true now but not so true back then.

In 20 years of exhaustive vintage prop hunting/collecting/dealing,  I have found that in vintage productions there was most often only one prop made (in both film and TV) and that one prop was made very durable to survive drops and mishandling.  The 'one and only one prop made' phenom was usually the case, with the exception of costumes and masks/appliances. I can give endless examples of this, and am willing to bet there was only one of each ring made for production. There were of course exceptions, especially with something used constantly- like Maxwell Smart's shoe phone for instance.

The reason the shield Dracula ring is popular, and even remembered, is the Forry and FM connection. For years he talked about and built up a lore about that ring. He was selling copies of it 40 years ago. If Forry said ,'it's the ring from Dracula', it was taken as Gospel and not challenged.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on October 30, 2008, 10:40:08 AM
How then would the Dracula ring be explained?  Clearly, there is a blown up photo of Dracula's ring and it has a smooth probably black onyx stone with no emblem.  Then there is the "accepted" Dracula ring with the red stone and crest.  If indeed the second ring came from Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein then it is a different ring than what appeared in the original Dracula as Dracula's ring.  Therefore at least two versions exist proving my hypothesis that two different rings were made for two different movies but worn by the same character making both variations original Dracula rings. 
 
As I stated previously:
"This accounts for all the variations not to mention the variations between films.  More than likely there have been many versions of Dracula's ring and there may be variations of that prop within the same film." 

This also accounts for Hammer's different version of the ring as well.  They obviously did not use the Dracula ring supposedly loaned to them but created a different version of that ring. 

This proves another statement I made:
"When making a film the makers don't really count on legions of fans blowing up every photo and studying every prop in detail.  This accounts for all the variations not to mention the variations between films.  More than likely there have been many versions of Dracula's ring and there may be variations of that prop within the same film."

So, as I stated there are sure to be a number of versions or variations but all would be considered Draculas ring depending on your view of what constitutes original.   



Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on October 30, 2008, 12:44:27 PM
Dracula and A&C Meet Frank are two different productions.

There were two different rings used in the two different productions, which were made 17 years apart.

Confusion likely comes in because FJA used to say in FM that 'he owns the ring from Dracula', he also claimed to 'own the cape from Dracula' (actually a Lugosi stage cape/Plan 9 cape- an opera style cape). But the cape nor ring were from the original 1931 DRACULA.

[shift gears]

FJA also used to claim that the Dracula statuette he owned (or maybe still does) was a Lugosi original, given to him by Lugosi. He told me that himself in 1986. In reality, he had a resin copy made by Lugosi friend Richard Sheffield- (who BTW sold FJA the ring and cape originally) resin copies that Sheffield himself sold in FM in the 60s. No big deal, but it does cause collectible confusion, and once things see print they are taken as gospel.

I did locate one of the 1940s-Lugosi originals- they are made of early fired porcelain/ceramic and not resin. It is also a bit bigger.  I believe Ron Borst has an original, too. Common lore on these is that Lugosi's 'sister in law' sculpted and produced for Bela- a rumor that may have also come from the pages of FM. But according to Sheffield (and he told me this himself) he surmises Lugosi himself sculpted and made the figurines, as Lugosi was a talented artist and sculptor, and one of his favorite subject was himself, which this photo attests to...
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g107/backlotcharlie/lugsisculptor.jpg)




Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on October 30, 2008, 12:58:40 PM
Here is the 'Lugosi original' figurine, inspecting a A&CMF Dracula-clone ring 'n' coffin...ring #13.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g107/balotcharlie/drac22ccc.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: avenger on October 30, 2008, 06:33:44 PM
I don't know about authenticity of either of the rings I've seen,but I wouldn't mind owning
either version as I think they are great.
Bob,that is a great picture of Bela sculpting .It's the first time I have ever seen it.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: hammersdracula on November 06, 2008, 08:28:40 PM
I have the ring from Christopher Lee's fansite. In fact, the photo of the ring on the darkenecolored table from yourprops.com with the hammerhorror printed in the photo is actually my ring. It is a beautiful piece and was molded from the very ring Christopher Lee wore. I actually own one of Christopher Lee's screen worn Dracula capes from Scars of Dracula.


Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: sithspawn on November 11, 2008, 10:00:20 PM
Quote from: Wolf Man on October 30, 2008, 10:40:08 AM
How then would the Dracula ring be explained?  Clearly, there is a blown up photo of Dracula's ring and it has a smooth probably black onyx stone with no emblem.  Then there is the "accepted" Dracula ring with the red stone and crest.  If indeed the second ring came from Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein then it is a different ring than what appeared in the original Dracula as Dracula's ring.  Therefore at least two versions exist proving my hypothesis that two different rings were made for two different movies but worn by the same character making both variations original Dracula rings. 
 





If memory serves, i remember reading in the brochure for the Flat World Dracula figure that the black onyx ring  used in Dracula(31)was one of Bela's personal rings.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: hammersdracula on November 12, 2008, 08:57:33 PM
I read the same thing. The ring from Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein was the same ring that John Carradine wore in his Dracula roles. This is a never ending investigation. Alot of people believe Christopher Lee wore Lugosi's ring when in fact he didn't. Lee's ring does not have the red cornelian stone as Lugosi's did. The ring Lee wore in Horror of Dracula was a completely different ring from his later Dracula films. I have the Lee ring that was made from the same identical mould that his was, they are identical in every way. It is shiny silvver with a flat black background. I wish I new how to post photos here I would post another photo of the ring and my cape from Scars of Dracula.



Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Toy Ranch on November 12, 2008, 09:01:15 PM
Photo posting instructions:
http://www.universalmonsterarmy.com/forum/index.php?topic=2087.0
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on November 12, 2008, 09:58:02 PM
My "Lee" Dracula ring still has not arrived but I am expecting it anytime now.  I will post photos of it as soon as it gets here. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Toy Ranch on November 12, 2008, 10:30:46 PM
Here are hammersdracula's ring photos.

Very nice!

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3219/3025883751_a495075f24_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/3026716628_742cf47f56_o.jpg)

Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on November 13, 2008, 11:17:50 AM
Awesome photos.  Thanks for posting them.  Now I really can't wait to get mine.  Mail is so darn slow to arrive here. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: hammersdracula on November 13, 2008, 06:00:40 PM
Hey Wolf man. The ring from Lee's website are silver in color but have alot of "blemishes" and a tarnished look. My advice would be to bring it to a jewler and have them give it a little buff job. Now remember the rings on the Christopher Lee web, are identical to Mr. Lee's to every detail. Side by side, they look identical. Enjoy your ring....now all you need is one of his capes......that I already have tucked away.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on November 14, 2008, 09:19:18 AM
Good Idea, I will have it buffed to bring out the detailing.  It may have just shipped today.  Something shipped from London but is being sent to my house.  I could have sworn that I was having it mailed to me here.  I will have to look into that.  Either way I will get it soon because I am going home on R&R. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: hammersdracula on November 15, 2008, 04:18:10 PM
Excellent! I may order another, as there are only a few left and when they are gone......they are gone. PM me your email and I wikll send along a few pics of my cape from Scars of Dracula.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on November 15, 2008, 07:19:39 PM
I am still waiting for mine aswell.Those pictures are very good,and i can't wait for mine to arrive either.We all really timed it well,coming across the christopher lee dracula ring,before they all sold out.  ;D
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on November 22, 2008, 03:24:24 PM
Mrs Wolf Man informed me that my ring has arrived.  She is not opening it but allowing me to do it.  So no photos yet.  I will be home for R&R in about three more weeks so there will be lots of photos after that.  At least I know I have it now so yours should be arriving very soon.  I still could have sworn I had it sent to me here.  I believe that when the paypal went through they just automatically sent it to my listed address instead of the address I requested it to be sent.  There was something in the way the notification e-mail read that indicated that is what they did, although I can't remember what the indication was. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on November 23, 2008, 12:32:22 PM
Thank you Wolfman.I was beginning to worry to be honest,as it has been 1 month since i ordered it.Hopefully,mine will be arriving sometime this week.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on November 24, 2008, 07:04:49 AM
No problem, good luck getting yours.  If you do within the next three weeks you will actually see yours before I see mine.  Lucky you.  I have to wait until I get home due to the mailing address glitch.  Thanks alot paypal.....
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on November 24, 2008, 10:49:04 PM
I have just checked the status of my ring order at the CLW site.I never noticed a message before,until i looked tonight.it was sent on the 13th of november 2008,and says that they are out of stock,and there will be a 2 week delay.
So,hopefully,new stock of the ring will arrive on the 27th of november 2008.It could be another 2 weeks after that,that i actually receive it.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on February 21, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
Just an update.Here are a few pictures of the Christopher Le Dracula Ring,that i bought from the christopherLeeWeb  site.They are pictured in the box it came in,and also on my niece,Emmas hand.I have included a picture of the back of the ring,where the band is split,in order for it to expand around any finger.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/1.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/2.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/3.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/4.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/5.jpg)



Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Wolf Man on February 22, 2009, 01:03:37 PM
So ok, mine did not come in that kind of box but a cheaper cardboard box and mine looks a lot different, the face is basically the same but there is black behind all the design.  Also, my band is split not in the middle but more on the side.  That kind of pisses me off.  Why do they make these variations, why not just make them all consistent.  I will admit though that the design with black background looks pretty cool.  My wife took some pictures of it but they did not come out very well so I have not posted them. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on February 22, 2009, 02:46:00 PM
The ring with a black background sounds really good.I would love to have one of those.I would love to see a close up of your ring,Wolfman.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 08, 2011, 04:51:00 AM
There appears to be yet another Crest of Dracula Ring from Dimensional Designs. They're calling it The Ultimate Edition, and say the design has been reworked and retooled. It's a limited edition of 100. $285, with cherrywood coffin display box and parchment COA.
http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/ddd.html (http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/ddd.html)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Anton Phibes on May 08, 2011, 08:12:21 AM
Quote from: Count_Zirock on May 08, 2011, 04:51:00 AM
There appears to be yet another Crest of Dracula Ring from Dimensional Designs. They're calling it The Ultimate Edition, and say the design has been reworked and retooled. It's a limited edition of 100. $285, with cherrywood coffin display box and parchment COA.
http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/ddd.html (http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/ddd.html)


This is the one I like the best. They also make a Mummy ring. Its awesome too. I know the others are pulled from the actual prop, and one is endorsed by Forry and/or Universal, but alot of the details are worn on the original. That transfers to the ring copies. The DD Ultimate has sharp  details because its a new sculpt.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Gillfan on May 08, 2011, 08:51:47 AM
Quote from: Anton Phibes on May 08, 2011, 08:12:21 AM
... I know the others are pulled from the actual prop, and one is endorsed by Forry and/or Universal, but alot of the details are worn on the original. That transfers to the ring copies. The DD Ultimate has sharp  details because its a new sculpt.


I see your point on that, but that also means it is their interpretation of   the ring, not a duplicate of the actual prop.
Much like the difference between a life mask and a sculpture of the same person.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on May 08, 2011, 09:00:14 AM
Quote from: Gillfan on May 08, 2011, 08:51:47 AM

I see your point on that, but that also means it is their interpretation of   the ring, not a duplicate of the actual prop.
Much like the difference between a life mask and a sculpture of the same person.


Yes. The Dracula ring will forever be associated with Ackerman in my head, so his endorsement and the Universal thumbs up was the icing on the cake to buy that one. I don't wear it, though. I suppose if that was the object, I'd buy the new one. I always wondered how durable any of them are. I would not be happy if I looked down and the stone had popped out!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Anton Phibes on May 08, 2011, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: Gillfan on May 08, 2011, 08:51:47 AM

I see your point on that, but that also means it is their interpretation of   the ring, not a duplicate of the actual prop.
Much like the difference between a life mask and a sculpture of the same person.

True...it becomes only  a replica of an actual prop, and not an actual prop accurate replica (lifemask).
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: HARRY HAMMOCK on May 08, 2011, 12:16:31 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/barnabus/001.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/barnabus/007.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v640/barnabus/006.jpg) My ring I got in on Friday from Ebay.The factory entertainment one,for 37.00 bucks
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Scatter on May 08, 2011, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: Count_Zirock on May 08, 2011, 04:51:00 AM
There appears to be yet another Crest of Dracula Ring from Dimensional Designs. They're calling it The Ultimate Edition, and say the design has been reworked and retooled. It's a limited edition of 100. $285, with cherrywood coffin display box and parchment COA.
http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/ddd.html (http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/ddd.html)


Dang, that's sweet!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 08, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
I have 2 of the Factory Entertainment Collector's Editions, and wear one almost every day (the other stays in its box). I also have the Elite Edition (Sterling silver), and have only worn it once. I just ordered DD's "Ultimate Edition" (in size 12; more silver for the buck), so I'll take pix and review it upon arrival.
If Universal actually makes "Dracula: Year Zero" (hate that title, BTW), I wonder if we'll get yet another Dracula Crest Ring - one that Universal can then copyright and license without having to cut Robert Sheffield and the Forry ringholder in on the deal.
Gotta wonder if Lugosi Jr has the ring his dad wore in the 1931 Dracula. Probably not, or we'd have seen outrageously overpriced replicas by now. Bela probably sold it to pay for Jr's law school tuition.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 08, 2011, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on May 08, 2011, 09:00:14 AMI don't wear it, though. I suppose if that was the object, I'd buy the new one. I always wondered how durable any of them are. I would not be happy if I looked down and the stone had popped out!
MB, I'd recommend getting FE's Collector's Edition ring. For less than $50, you can have a wearable version of Forry's ring. Mine gets lots of compliments, and that's usually before I even point out what it is. After 3 months of almost daily wear, it's holding up great. Not a single noticeable ding or nick in it. See how good HARRY HAMMOCK's looks on him, and he got it for less than $40 on evilBay!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 09, 2011, 01:37:42 AM
Quote from: Anton Phibes on May 08, 2011, 08:12:21 AM
This is the one I like the best. I know the others are pulled from the actual prop, and one is endorsed by Forry and/or Universal, but alot of the details are worn on the original. That transfers to the ring copies. The DD Ultimate has sharp  details because its a new sculpt.
Anton, the Factory Entertainment rings were taken from Forry's ring, then were "tweaked" by sculptors to bring out the details lost from Forry's decades of wearing the ring. I believe that was also done to DD's original edition of the ring, when they first brought it out back in the '90s. Even the QMX ring was tweaked. I think only the copies made for Christopher Lee and Richard Sheffield were taken directly from the original prop, without being tweaked. And the pins Forry had made probably weren't enhanced, either. The DD Ultimate Edition is probably different enough from the original that they don't need to license it. That's probably why it's limited to 100 pieces, too. If they made 101, it might be copyright infringement. (That's purely informed speculation on my part, based on my limited knowledge of copyright law.)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Scary Terry on May 09, 2011, 08:00:57 AM
I wore my QMX ring regularly -- until the silver crest fell off the stone!!!!  Tried some super-strength model kit glue to fix it -- but it didn't take.  Sits in a box awaiting repair....
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 09, 2011, 11:07:36 AM
Quote from: Scary Terry on May 09, 2011, 08:00:57 AM
I wore my QMX ring regularly -- until the silver crest fell off the stone!!!!  Tried some super-strength model kit glue to fix it -- but it didn't take.  Sits in a box awaiting repair....
Try Gorilla Glue. They make a clear super glue that sets in 30 seconds and forms a permanent bond in an hour. Bottle has a blue cap. I've used it to fix everything from porcelin figurines to diecast cars to jewelry.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on May 09, 2011, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: Scary Terry on May 09, 2011, 08:00:57 AM
I wore my QMX ring regularly -- until the silver crest fell off the stone!!!! 

My greatest fear!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 09, 2011, 03:50:24 PM
Quote from: Scary Terry on May 09, 2011, 08:00:57 AM
I wore my QMX ring regularly -- until the silver crest fell off the stone!!!!
Quote from: Monster Bob on May 09, 2011, 11:34:22 AM
My greatest fear!
Just remember, the QMX rings were plagued with production flaws. That's why they never produced more than a handful.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on May 09, 2011, 06:14:25 PM


Well, that's OK. I didn't buy it to wear it, but to display it. Plus, I got #13! (my lucky number)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 09, 2011, 11:53:44 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on May 09, 2011, 06:14:25 PMI got #13! (my lucky number)
That's a nice, low number. My FE Elite Edition ring is #005/600. I'd still recommend the FE Collector's Edition if you decided you wanted one to wear, MB. Better than risking the QMX version. But, if you're only interested in one to display, you're all set.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 21, 2011, 01:02:51 AM
Got an email on Monday, 5/16, that my DD Crest of Dracula Ultimate Edition Ring is "temporarily out of stock." Considering only 100 were made, I'm wondering if I'll actually get one now.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 28, 2011, 04:58:38 AM
I cancelled my order with Monsters in Motion, mainly because the credit card I ordered it with expires on June 1st. Ordered one direct from Dimensional Designs (with my new credit card). It's a little more expensive, because they'll only use insured mail, so that jacks up the shipping. But, I really like how they reworked the design.
(http://www.monstersinmotion.com/cart/bmz_cache/a/a4e58513a8fc86f5b7b73e65d1e607f7.image.412x550.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on May 28, 2011, 07:32:33 AM
 In the pic directly above, I do not understand why they added the raised edges to the scrolling that surrounds the shield- giving it sort of a filigree effect. That looks to be very inaccurate; where is there any evidence that the original ring had that on it, ever? 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 28, 2011, 02:44:20 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on May 28, 2011, 07:32:33 AM
In the pic directly above, I do not understand why they added the raised edges to the scrolling that surrounds the shield- giving it sort of a filigree effect. That looks to be very inaccurate; where is there any evidence that the original ring had that on it, ever?
THIS version isn't supposed to be accurate, MB. It's an artist's interpretation of the design. DD no longer has the rights to do exact duplicates of the ring. They lost that when QMX, then Factory Entertainment, got the license, respectively. By making certain changes to the design, and limiting to 100, they avoid copyright infringement. I know it's not screen-accurate, but I like the revamped design (pun intended) enough to spring for one.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Anton Phibes on May 28, 2011, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: Count_Zirock on May 28, 2011, 02:44:20 PM
THIS version isn't supposed to be accurate, MB. It's an artist's interpretation of the design. I like the revamped design (pun intended) enough to spring for one.

I did to. Personally I dont really care if tis a direct mold of poor ole Uncle Forry's ring or not....just a nice representation of the classic design. Poor ole' Uncle Forry wore his to death, and it wasnt properly preserved. Alot of the detail is worn away to next to nothing. Making a mold from an already worn ring equals a reproduction that's an even more worn ring.

Now--if they restored Forry's ring to its original glory, then maybe I would like a restrike. But said restoration is sacrilegious to most so its easier to just get the DD ring and avoid any hoopla other than folks scratching their heads wondering why I spent so much money on something that isnt "an exact replica". Which I can live with.  8) ;D
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 28, 2011, 07:31:43 PM
Quote from: Anton Phibes on May 28, 2011, 06:17:42 PM
I did too. Personally I don't really care if tis a direct mold of poor ole Uncle Forry's ring or not....just a nice representation of the classic design. Poor ole' Uncle Forry wore his to death, and it wasn't properly preserved. A lot of the detail is worn away to next to nothing. Making a mold from an already worn ring equals a reproduction that's an even more worn ring.

Now--if they restored Forry's ring to its original glory, then maybe I would like a restrike. But said restoration is sacrilegious to most so its easier to just get the DD ring and avoid any hoopla other than folks scratching their heads wondering why I spent so much money on something that isnt "an exact replica". Which I can live with.  8) ;D
To be fair, though, both QMX and Factory Ent. had their replicas tweaked prior to production. The FE ring was heavily restored, based on the clearest images available from HoF, HoD, and A&CMF. These aren't just unretouched molds, because everyone knows Forry wore it to death and kept it in his sock drawer. Unknowingly, he did a great disservice to both the Dracula Ring and Imhotep's Scarab Ring by wearing them regularly. Today, of course, props like these are instantly prepped for reproduction and mass production (with varying results-- NECA's Sweeney Todd razor prop replica being a prime example of a poor replica taken from a mold of the original).
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 14, 2011, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: Anton Phibes on May 28, 2011, 06:17:42 PM
I did too. ... it's easier to just get the DD ring and avoid any hoopla other than folks scratching their heads wondering why I spent so much money on something that isnt "an exact replica". Which I can live with.  8) ;D
Anton, do you just display this, or do you sometimes wear it, too? Because I've received way more compliments on the DD "Ultimate Edition" ring than I have on either of my FE rings. I think it's because this one hasn't been heavily antiqued, as the others have been. The silver is very shiny, and really sets off the red in the Carnelian bloodstone. But, it doesn't hold up to extended wear well. After just two days, I put a tiny nick on the rear of the band. So, this one goes into a display case. Maybe I'll trot it out on Halloween and Walpurgis Night.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on August 08, 2011, 10:46:22 PM
After nearly nine months of daily wear, my Factory Entertainment Collector's Edition ring has started to show a bit of bronze alloy under the hoop of the ring. Now, my sweat is very acidic, and it's been one HOT mother of a Summer. Alas, even with a bit of clear nailpolish applied to that spot, I'm going to have to relegate the ring to "occasional wear" only, now.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 02, 2011, 06:16:34 AM
Haunted Studios has the Christopher Lee Dracula Crest Rings back in stock. Just ordered myself one as an early Halloween present!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 07, 2011, 11:46:54 PM
I received my Christopher Lee Dracula Ring from Haunted Studios yesterday and, to be honest, I'm not impressed.
Somehow, I never realized the ring faces were just resin copies. I THOUGHT they were metal! But, I do see now where they say "cold cast." I would have realized they weren't metal had I noticed that previously. OK, that's my fault. Here's how the ring arrived.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0117.jpg)

Nice cardboard outer sleeve for the ring box.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0118.jpg)

Decent presentation box, but not as nice as the jewel display boxes of the past.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0119.jpg)

Hey, look at that break in the ivy just to the right of the shield! That's not supposed to be there. Air bubble in the resin. This made it past quality control? Oh no, it's going back!
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0120.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0121.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0122.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0123.jpg)

These three shots show it with a nickel for size comparison.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0124.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0126.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0127.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0128.jpg)

Here's the COA that comes with it.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0129.jpg)

Here it is on my left pinkie, which is how Lee wore it.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Joseph_Baeza on October 08, 2011, 02:13:21 AM
The best value for your dollar, and a very nice replica of the Dracula ring owned by Uncle Forry was produced by Dimensional Designs last year, and can still be purchased.  I believe there are 3 different versions ranging in quality from a basic antique metal ($50) to an antique silver with carnelian blood stone (Ultimate Edition which goes for $300).  You can find these for sale at www.monstersinmotion.com (http://www.monstersinmotion.com)...certainly, would make for an outstanding Christmas gift!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 08, 2011, 02:46:39 AM
Yeah, we discussed those earlier in the thread. Two are made by Factory Entertainment (http://www.factoryent.com), actually. Only the "Ultimate Edition" is made by Dimensional Designs. (http://www.dimensionaldesigns.com/ddd.html)
(http://www.monstersinmotion.com/cart/bmz_cache/a/a4e58513a8fc86f5b7b73e65d1e607f7.image.412x550.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 08, 2011, 02:59:30 AM
Quote from: moonvisage on February 21, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
Just an update. Here are a few pictures of the Christopher Lee Dracula Ring, that i bought from the Christopher Lee Web  site. They are pictured in the box it came in, and also on my niece, Emma's hand. I have included a picture of the back of the ring, where the band is split, in order for it to expand around any finger.

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/1.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/2.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/3.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/4.jpg)

(http://i545.photobucket.com/albums/hh396/devilscoven/5.jpg)
Moonvisage, was your ring all-metal? From your pictures, it looks all-metal. Maybe that's how they made them then, but they switched to the resin faces within the past two years?
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 11, 2011, 01:50:31 PM
Just received an email from The Haunted Studios that they are shipping out my replacement ring today. The don't want the damaged one back. I just might try to fix the break in the scrollwork ivy myself with some model filler putty, then repaint it myself for a one-of-a-kind replica.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Factory on October 14, 2011, 01:00:14 PM
Just to clarify, our Dracula rings, The Factory Entertainment rings are the ONLY officially licensed and accurate versions available.

We hold the worldwide rights to produce official prop replicas  from the Universal Monsters series of films.

Any other current prop replica  from a Universal Monsters film  is unlicensed and unofficial.

Some people will employ tricks and deception to avoid potential legal issues in order to produce and sell unlicensed items commercially. But the truth is, if they are being sold commercially as authentic prop replicas no matter how they are presented, they are bootleg.  No fees or dues are being paid to the relevant rights holders and the item at the end of the day  is damaging legitimate business and further development  and/or investment in the brand/s as the intellectual property and trademarks are being stolen.

People are free to make the choice and we do not want to appear heavy handed or draconian. But we would ask that all UMA members consider their actions. Buying unlicensed products is no different than purchasing pirated DVD's or software and it is often easy to forget that or pretend it is not the case.

It is also wrong for the people commercially selling unlicensed items to pretend otherwise and we wish they would be more honest and open in their dealings. Taking an item and subtly adapting it so that it is neither accurate or authentic and selling it as a replica without actually calling it a  replica is deceptive. It confuses buyers and creates a veneer of legitimacy that is simply not there.  If you are buying a 'Bolex' watch or a 'Lewis Vuitton' bag you should know you are buying a 'knock off' and then make your choice.

NBC Universal will and does aggressively protect its brands and trademarks.

Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 14, 2011, 01:37:33 PM
The Haunted Studios makes it very clear they're selling reproductions of a reproduction of Christopher Lee's ring worn in the later Hammer Dracula films. As for the other rings out there...I don't think anyone is confusing them with licensed repros.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Factory on October 14, 2011, 02:56:59 PM
We were only addressing Universal properties and trademarks in our post.

However our faith in human nature would be restored and we would be delighted to learn that Sir Christopher Lee and/or Hammer were receiving any royalties or had granted a license for the item you mention. It is after all being sold with a  certificate of authenticity as 'an authenticated prop replica' using several trademarks and images not to mention Sir Christopher's own  name  to back its 'provenance' so you would hope so wouldn't you?

The truth however is we suspect somewhat different and is one of the reasons why nobody is rushing to make the considerable investment required to produce a legitimate and  officially licensed  replica of the wonderful Hammer  prop ring, not to mention why Sir Christopher himself stopped offering copies of his ring some years ago.



     

Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 14, 2011, 03:42:29 PM
Quote from: Factory on October 14, 2011, 02:56:59 PM
However our faith in human nature would be restored and we would be delighted to learn that Sir Christopher Lee and/or Hammer were receiving any royalties or had granted a license for the item you mention. It is after all being sold with a  certificate of authenticity as 'an authenticated prop replica' using several trademarks and images not to mention Sir Christopher's own  name to back its 'provenance' so you would hope so wouldn't you?

The truth however is we suspect somewhat different and is one of the reasons why nobody is rushing to make the considerable investment required to produce a legitimate and  officially licensed  replica of the wonderful Hammer  prop ring, not to mention why Sir Christopher himself stopped offering copies of his ring some years ago.
All good questions that I don't know the answers to. I'm guessing Universal & FE have both done a bit of research into it, though. All I can say is, as a collector, if someone were to offer licensed and authorized replicas of the Hammer Dracula ring, I'd prefer buying that to a "bootleg," certainly.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 15, 2011, 08:16:37 PM
Quote from: Count_Zirock on October 07, 2011, 11:46:54 PM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0119.jpg)

Hey, look at that break in the ivy just to the right of the shield! That's not supposed to be there. Air bubble in the resin. This made it past quality control? Oh no, it's going back!
Received my replacement ring from the Haunted Studios today. A definite improvement over the first ring they sent! I hadn't even noticed that the ring band was offcenter on the first ring until I compared it to the new one.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Cinemacabre on October 16, 2011, 10:49:02 AM
Excuse me fr the blonde moment (well, at 55, I still have two or three strands of blonde hair) but I'm ordering this ring. http://www.hauntedstudios.com/dracula-crest-ring_DRACULA-FAMILY-CREST-RING.htm  (http://www.hauntedstudios.com/dracula-crest-ring_DRACULA-FAMILY-CREST-RING.htm) If it is , in fact, supposed to be the Lee-type should I order it in the gold finish over the silver finish.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on October 16, 2011, 11:23:06 AM
I don't order from Haunted Studios because most of their stuff is copied or cast from someone else's work (like lifecasts). At the same time on their page they make threats that their work is copyrighted, and if you copy it they will this and that...blah blah blah. Pffft.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 16, 2011, 06:20:26 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on October 16, 2011, 11:23:06 AM
I don't order from Haunted Studios because most of their stuff is copied or cast from someone else's work (like lifecasts). At the same time on their page they make threats that their work is copyrighted, and if you copy it they will this and that...blah blah blah. Pffft.
I wasn't aware of that, M.B. Still, right now, HS are the only ones selling the Christopher Lee Dracula ring. Their COA states their ring is cast from a copy of the original that they purchased in 1972 from a "private collector." I know that means the rings they're selling are 3rd generation castings. But, again, they're the ONLY ONES selling it at this time. As I told Factory, I'd prefer buying a licensed, authorized replica of the ring, but this is all that's on the market. No one's hit them with a C&D order, so I'm assuming no one else does have the rights. Even the DD Ultimate Edition ring was made in 2009, before Factory (or anyone else) had the license.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on October 19, 2011, 05:40:49 AM
Quote from: Cinemacabre on October 16, 2011, 10:49:02 AM
I'm ordering this ring. http://www.hauntedstudios.com/dracula-crest-ring_DRACULA-FAMILY-CREST-RING.htm  (http://www.hauntedstudios.com/dracula-crest-ring_DRACULA-FAMILY-CREST-RING.htm) If it is , in fact, supposed to be the Lee-type should I order it in the gold finish over the silver finish.
Lee's ring was silver-toned. I doubt it was cast in actual silver, more likely nickel and then silver-plated.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on November 18, 2011, 10:15:57 PM
Just an FYI for those still considering the FE Collectors Edition ring. It's still on sale for $35, although the free shipping offer has expired. Still, $35 + shipping is a decent enough price for it.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on November 26, 2011, 07:27:09 AM
(http://www.vampires.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Dracula-Signet-Ring.jpg) (http://www.vampires.com/sneak-peek-at-gorgeous-dracula-family-signet-ring/)
Limited edition Sterling silver ring available at the Bram Stoker International Film Festival in Whitby, England, Oct. 28-31, 2011. Ordering info: whitby(*at*)whamond.com.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on December 06, 2011, 08:16:36 PM
The Factory Entertainment Collectors Edition ring is on sale at various sites. Monsters In Motion has it for $29.99 + shipping. If you're thinking of getting one, do some price-comparisons, and you could get a nice deal for the holidays.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on March 22, 2012, 11:45:56 PM
(http://www.vampires.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Dracula-Signet-Ring.jpg)
Sterling Silver Dracula Signet Ring: Bram Stoker Int'l Film Fest by W. Hammond, Whitby, England. (http://www.whitbyjetstore.com/product_info.php/cPath/65/products_id/762?osCsid=720718277d3e8a8c77cOde50525cdad)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on March 30, 2012, 10:08:09 AM
GOT THE FACTORY ELITE EDITION TODAY. REALLY AN AWESOME ITEM.......
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on March 31, 2012, 05:17:02 PM
Yes, it's quite nice. What number did you get? Mine is #005.
(http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/901167_press01-001.jpg)
(http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/901167_press02-001.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 03, 2012, 10:32:13 PM
wow . #5 .. very cool .. mine is 350 something i dont have it here with me but around that figure
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 04, 2012, 08:08:03 PM
Quote from: jimmyb on April 03, 2012, 10:32:13 PM
wow . #5 .. very cool .. mine is 350 something i dont have it here with me but around that figure
#350? Wow, that means they're more than halfway sold through their edition size of 600 in just about a year.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 08, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
Quote from: Count_Zirock on March 22, 2012, 11:45:56 PM
(http://www.vampires.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Dracula-Signet-Ring.jpg)
Sterling Silver Dracula Signet Ring: Bram Stoker Int'l Film Fest by W. Hammond, Whitby, England.
My tax refund was a little bigger than I'd anticipated this year, so I'm considering ordering one of these rings. I have to email them to find out size and price conversions, plus shipping.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 08, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
I THINK THEY ARE ONE SIZE BUT IM NOT POSITIVE ? APPROX 10 1/2
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 08, 2012, 06:43:03 PM
No, the W. Hammond Bram Stoker Int'l Film Festival rings are offered in various sizes, and are priced at £198. European rings are sized by letter. A US size 10 is about a Euro size R (I think).
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 08, 2012, 07:36:39 PM
ANYONE KNOW HOW CAN I LOAD AN IMAGE FROM MY PC ? I WILL LOAD MY CUSTOM DRACULA RING TOO
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 08, 2012, 08:06:11 PM
Quote from: jimmyb on April 08, 2012, 07:36:39 PM
ANYONE KNOW HOW CAN I LOAD AN IMAGE FROM MY PC ? I WILL LOAD MY CUSTOM DRACULA RING TOO
You can't. It has to be hosted at a photo sharing site like Photobucket, Imageshack, or Flickr. Then, you can post the image codes.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 08, 2012, 08:21:32 PM
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Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 09, 2012, 02:06:41 PM
Here, let me give you an example. If you take this link, "i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0119.jpg," and add the "http://" to the front of it, you get the complete link, "http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0119.jpg." Then, you need to add the image code markers, [*img*][*/img*]. Just remove the *'s. When you put it all together, you get:
[*IMG*]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0119.jpg[*/IMG*]. Remove the *'s and you get the image:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0119.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 09, 2012, 08:47:19 PM


how do you just post the photo "non clickable "

thanks
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 09, 2012, 08:50:35 PM
[URL=http://images


Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 09, 2012, 08:51:45 PM
. sterling silver , black onyx , dracula crest ,
purchased this from hong kong via ebay
really a quality ring , intricate detail
special 1 of a kind
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 09, 2012, 11:01:38 PM
I almost bought that on eBay! But, it's too similar to the other versions, just has the onyx stone instead of a bloodstone carnelian. Decided to get the Ultimate Edition from DD instead.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 09, 2012, 11:07:50 PM
the only thing with this ring is the crest is not big to the eye as it appears because this picture he used was blown up , so the ring itself is not as profound as lets say  my elite edition. ,,,,the hong kong ring (in person) appears more of like your avatar ..compared to my photo above

any pics of the dd ?
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 10, 2012, 03:35:46 AM
Quote from: jimmyb on April 09, 2012, 11:07:50 PMany pics of the dd?
(http://www.monstersinmotion.com/cart/bmz_cache/a/a4e58513a8fc86f5b7b73e65d1e607f7.image.412x550.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 12, 2012, 05:54:19 PM
Thought this might be fun to post: former "LA Ink" star Kat Von D wearing what looks like one of the QMX Dracula rings (she didn't specify in her blog post).
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-o72aWpsThTM/T4A6SMJA5uI/AAAAAAAAB-E/b6jhyqkiT1c/s1600/8eda1842805611e18bb812313804a181_7.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 12, 2012, 06:19:07 PM
Quote from: jimmyb on April 09, 2012, 08:50:35 PM
URL=http://images
Jimmyb, what happened? You had the image up, but blew it when you edited it again.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jimmyb on April 13, 2012, 11:57:21 PM
i was trying to figure out how to post it but make it non-clickable like every other pic on here and couldnt figure it out. i am going to try and host the pic elsewhere and see if that works.. im not real good at this stuff though
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 17, 2012, 04:23:17 AM
Quote from: jimmyb on April 09, 2012, 08:51:45 PMSterling silver, black onyx, Dracula crest,
purchased this from Hong Kong via eBay.
Really a quality ring, intricate detail
special 1 of a kind.
(http://www.horrorsniped.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/-225021206757053750.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on April 25, 2012, 02:32:55 AM
Quote from: Count_Zirock on April 08, 2012, 03:29:59 PM
My tax refund was a little bigger than I'd anticipated this year, so I'm considering ordering one of these rings. I have to email them to find out size and price conversions, plus shipping.
Well, the tax refund got eaten up by some unexpected veterinary and car repair expenses. So, no Bram Stoker Film Festival Dracula Ring for me, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 07, 2012, 02:10:45 AM
Well, after almost a year-and-a-half of just about daily wear, the worst thing that could happen, did.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y272/dancziraky/Mobile%20Uploads/Image0160.jpg)
It's the Factory Entertainment Collector's Edition ring, and it clearly states it's a prop replica, not jewelry. The worst part? I didn't hear the crest fall off, so I couldn't retrieve it to glue it back on!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: HARRY HAMMOCK on May 07, 2012, 06:24:38 AM
Oh crap! Sorry that happened!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 07, 2012, 02:22:14 PM
Quote from: HARRY HAMMOCK on May 07, 2012, 06:24:38 AMOh crap! Sorry that happened!
My own fault, really. I wore it out to dinner, then we went grocery shopping. Should've pocketed it once we hit Walmart!
Luckily, I picked up 2 more during last October's $35 & free shipping sale at Factory. But, I just might email them and see if they'd sell me a replacement crest.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on May 15, 2012, 10:41:35 PM
Didn't get a reply from Factory, so I'm guessing they don't have any crests.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Dr. Vollin on June 04, 2012, 09:11:11 AM
Has anyone ordered the Stoker International Film Conference ring from Whitby?  I'm really interested in this ring, but $310 US seems a little dear for something that I'm not seeing in advance.

Also -- I've been reading these posts and I'm still a little confused.  If I were to buy a Dracula ring that I intend to wear day-in-day-out, which is the most durable and best bet?

Many thanks!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on June 04, 2012, 10:49:32 AM


The $300 ring you are looking at, if you are wearing it. It is the least accurate, but it does have the crest, and is solid CAST in silver. The others are assembled and glued together, and you see what happens. Had they soldered the crest to the base instead of gluing it, the Factory (and others) wouldn't be loosing their crests.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Dr. Vollin on June 04, 2012, 12:42:18 PM
Hello Monster Bob -- Many thanks for the advice.  Yes, I do want to wear it.  I've been looking at Dracula rings since the FM Worldcon in 1993 -- but never found one that I thought would hold up with daily wear. 

Do you have the Whitby ring?  If you do, quick question: Is the top solid (like a school graduation ring) or hollow?  That is to say, is there empty space between the underside of the crest and the finger, or is that "bulb" that makes the top of the ring solid and dense?
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Monster Bob on June 04, 2012, 02:27:01 PM

I would love to have one of these, Dr., but I don't, and would def wear it. My bet is it is hollow underneath, as that just seems to be the way it's done these days, even in custom, one-of-a-kind jewelry. It's a big dollar saver for the manufacturer.

Why not write and ask if it is important to you (I dislike it myself), and let us know.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Dr. Vollin on June 05, 2012, 10:13:38 AM
I emailed W. Hammond about the Stoker International/Whitby ring, asking if the uppermost part is solid sterling silver.  This was the reply:

The top of the ring has got cut out open spaces between the silver, but there is whitby jet backed behind the design so you cannot see through it. From the under side all you can see is a solid piece of whitby jet.

So, while this may be the most solid ring, and certainly the one that would survive day-to-day wear best, it somehow seems less attractive to me.  Especially at $310 a pop.  And so, the search continues....!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 05, 2012, 11:20:29 PM
That sounds like a cool ring, actually. Wish now I could have afforded it.

Doc, I think for a daily wearing ring, you might want to consider the Factory Collector Edition ring. At $35, it's an inexpensive ring that looks really nice.

Yes, the crest came off mine. But, I should let everyone know that I'm handicapped, and use canes and a wheelchair for mobility. As a result, my jewelry gets banged around, a lot. It's one reason I stopped wearing a wristwatch. (The other is tendonitis in my left wrist.)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Dr. Vollin on June 06, 2012, 07:08:39 AM
Sorry to hear about your handicap.  Yes -- for $40 or so I'm a sport -- so I'll try the Collector's Edition.  I'll let you know how it works out!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 06, 2012, 07:29:44 AM
Quote from: Dr. Vollin on June 06, 2012, 07:08:39 AMYes -- for $40 or so I'm a sport -- so I'll try the Collector's Edition.  I'll let you know how it works out!
Do a little comparison shopping. A lot of etailers have it for even less than $35, now.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 09, 2012, 02:40:10 AM
Quote from: Dr. Vollin on June 06, 2012, 07:08:39 AMYes -- for $40 or so I'm a sport -- so I'll try the Collector's Edition.  I'll let you know how it works out!
Factory Entertainment has both Dracula Crest rings on sale now. $28 for the Collectors Edition, and $199.20 for the Elite Edition. (http://www.factoryent.com/SearchResults.asp?Cat=6)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: BRICK on June 18, 2012, 05:17:28 PM
First of all, I applaud Factory Entertainment for their concept of offering reproductions from classic Universal movies at  affordable prices to both fans and collectors, and certainly the premise  of owning an actual reproduction of the Dracula Crest ring used in these films (for under $30, no less) would seem to be a pretty major milestone. HOWEVER, being pretty familiar with the design of FJA's ring (I used pictures of it to create, among other things, a wall carving, a pendant and a tie tack), I have some serious concerns about this ring's authenticity and their claim that the piece was cast directly Mr. Ackerman's prop.
Below are pictures of FJA's ring over the years. Notice the stylish texture and detail.

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8857/forryackermandracularin.jpg)

Below is the Factory Entertainment ring. There is a noticeable lack of detail, more so than would be caused by simple re-casting and tweaking (check the missing dimples at the bottom of the topmost crown).

(http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9379/newring1.jpg)

There were rumors that Forry lost the face of his Dracula ring, due to a bad clasp. It is possible that he commissioned a lower quality reproduction of this face. Possibly that could be what this ring is based on. Of course that is mere conjecture. What is certain, however, is that neither version of Factory Entertainment ring appears to be cast from Forry's "official" ring.

Even so, $30 is still pretty reasonable for a rough facsimile of the original ring; admittedly, I nearly bought the piece on a couple of occasions. $250, on the other hand, seems like an outrageous price to pay, especially when one compares quality of Factory Entertainment to the original. I apologize if this topic has been touched upon earlier, and would be curious to know if FactoryEnt can shed any light on this.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on June 18, 2012, 09:09:18 PM
Here are a couple of pretty informative articles about it.
"The Truth About Factory Entertainment's Ring of Dracula" (http://youbentmywookie.com/news/the-truth-about-factory-entertainments-ring-of-dracula-9924)
"Debate & Analysis: Forry Ackerman's 'Dracula' Ring" (http://www.originalprop.com/blog/2009/04/10/analysis-forry-ackermans-dracula-ring-profiles-in-history/)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on September 12, 2012, 09:36:00 PM
Just a little info regarding the Official Sir Christopher Lee Dracula Ring,from the christopherleeweb site.I seem to recall around 2008,when the last of the dracula rings was made,there was a query on the forum regarding the ring and why it was not being made anymore.I think it was Juan who replied that the reason the rings were stopping,was because Sir Christopher was too old to make the rings himself now,and that he never allowed anybody other than himself to make,or touch them.Sir Christopher would make the rings,including filing them,and put them in a box,then seal them in packaging.Juan would then pick up the package and post it,never actually seeing or touching the ring himself.
I have tried searching for the reply Juan gave above,and the posts/threads,but it seems to have been removed ( perhaps when they changed to a newer forum software? ).Just to let everyone who bought one know,if memory serves me correctly,all the rings we bought from the christopherleeweb site,were made by Sir Christopher Lee himself.No other human looked upon them,breathed upon them or touched them... until we buyers did when we opened the box.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on September 12, 2012, 09:51:39 PM
That's interesting to know. I wish Sir Christopher would allow someone to make the rings for him. I'm not really thrilled with the recast-of-a-recasting sold by Haunted Studios. Maybe he could even license it through Hammer and Factory Entertainment. It sounded like they were interested.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: moonvisage on September 12, 2012, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: Count_Zirock on June 18, 2012, 09:09:18 PM
Here are a couple of pretty informative articles about it.
"The Truth About Factory Entertainment's Ring of Dracula" (http://youbentmywookie.com/news/the-truth-about-factory-entertainments-ring-of-dracula-9924)
"Debate & Analysis: Forry Ackerman's 'Dracula' Ring" (http://www.originalprop.com/blog/2009/04/10/analysis-forry-ackermans-dracula-ring-profiles-in-history/)



I've just realized,nobody mentions this forum in any of the two links posted,and the two sites don't post links to this forum either when they are making reference to the conversations about dracula rings on the internet.Very remiss of them.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on November 11, 2012, 06:39:14 PM
I found some more pix of JimmyB's one-of-a-kind silver and black onyx ring from Extreme Silver of Hong Kong. Thought I'd post them for reference.
(http://i.ebayimg.com/06/!B%20zqdt!CWk~$(KGrHqIOKpwEy%20jC)0(CBN!30qjPN!~~_35.JPG)
(http://www.esellersolutions.com/eSellerManager/images/upload/item/extreme_silver/itemImage_110_11_11_13_24_44.gif)
(http://www.esellersolutions.com/eSellerManager/images/upload/item/extreme_silver/itemImage_110_11_11_13_26_28.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jwgumby on December 02, 2012, 03:24:44 PM
Here is the best still I could get of the original ring being worn in its first appearance in "House of Frankenstein". Unfortunately still a little blurry but maybe I can get something a bit clearer later on.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8066/8239032708_77cd4402c6_m.jpg)



Click the second link here to see a large view of this photo
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/90708792(*at*)N07/8239032708/" title="dracula ring3 by jwgumby, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8066/8239032708_77cd4402c6_c.jpg" width="800" height="548" alt="dracula ring3"></a>
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on December 03, 2012, 08:28:59 PM
It's too bad there are no shots of the back of the ring. It would be cool to see what it looked like before Richard Sheffield had it sized to fit his finger!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: jwgumby on December 03, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
A little clearer look at the original Dracula ring.   click second link below.



<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/90708792(*at*)N07/8243598460/" title="ring4 by jwgumby, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8243598460_56d7756141_c.jpg" width="800" height="518" alt="ring4"></a>
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Ghost on December 04, 2012, 11:48:06 AM
Quote from: jwgumby on December 03, 2012, 10:24:59 PM
A little clearer look at the original Dracula ring.   click second link below.



<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/90708792(*at*)N07/8243598460/" title="ring4 by jwgumby, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8243598460_56d7756141_c.jpg" width="800" height="518" alt="ring4"></a>

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8477/8243598460_56d7756141_c.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Simon Rowson on December 11, 2012, 01:16:58 AM
Hello everyone,

I'm always very interested to read threads such as this one concerning the various 'Dracula rings' as, like many of you, I've been fascinated with this ring's design and film history for many, many years.

I myself own four versions of the ring (alas, not including Forry's original) - these being a casting in base metal by Richard Sheffield, the Christopher Lee website silver casting, the QMx silver/carnelian replica and the Factory Entertainment silver/carnelian 'elite edition'.

Therefore, if I may, I'd like to add a few pictures and make some observations based upon the rings in my collection and a close-up of the original.


Firstly, here's the real prop (the famous shot from 'Famous Monsters')
(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9083/famousmonstersissue6619.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/22/famousmonstersissue6619.jpg/)


And here are pictures of my four rings (please forgive the lousy photography):

(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1302/dracularingshomersheffi.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/132/dracularingshomersheffi.jpg/)
#1 The casting by Richard Sheffield. As far as I am aware, there have never been any doubts that these rings were cast from the original prop whilst it was in Sheffield's possession and so it's probably good to use this example as a yardstick for the others regarding the crest motif.

(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5222/dracularingleewebsite.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/685/dracularingleewebsite.jpg/)
#2 The silver version once offered for sale on the Christopher Lee website - very similar to the Sheffield casting but the details are a little 'blobby' (especially the bat) suggesting a second or later generation mould.
Having said that, here is a shot of Lee's own ring from 'Dracula AD 1972' and the details appear to be just as rounded:
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/787/dad7252.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/dad7252.jpg/)


(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2212/dracularingqmx.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/515/dracularingqmx.jpg/)
#3 QMx replica


(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/2588/dracularingfactoryent.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/43/dracularingfactoryent.jpg/)
#4 Factory Entertainment 'Elite Edition'



And finally, some direct comparisons:

(http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/1407/18194222.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/248/18194222.jpg/)
The QMx ring (left) and Factory Entertainment (right)
Note the differences in dimensions of the setting - impossible if both rings were cast directly from FJA's original as claimed.

(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2797/20660675.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/18/20660675.jpg/)
The FE ring (left) worn alongside the QMx (right)
Note the larger, slightly cruder crest on the FE example which also lacks certain fine details shared by FJA's original, the Sheffield and Lee castings and the QMx replica - namely the five circular shapes under the four holes in the large upper crown, the marginally more domed third hole on said top crown and, finally, the small 'globes' which appear above the upper right and lower left crowns on the shield (something that is seemingly always omitted in 're-imaginings' of this ring).

(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1082/78958952.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/528/78958952.jpg/)
The Sheffield casting (left) and the QMx (right)
Not a great photo I'm afraid but, in the hand, it's very obvious that these two pieces were cast from the same source material - presumably FJA's original prop.

Therefore, my own conclusion  - for what it's worth - is that the QMx ring is the most accurate replica of the original screen (and Forry) worn prop - yes, it's 'warts and all' with the decades of wear, tear and blemishes also reproduced but it's probably as close as anyone will get to the real thing.
The Factory Entertainment version, whilst being a very nice, pristine 'recreation' lacks the subtlety and many of the finer details of the original and I also find it very hard to believe that it is a cleaned-up casting of FJA's ring - simply because the size, shape and details just don't match up when scrutinised closely and compared to decent photos (like the ones already posted on this thread) and alongside castings with some provenance such as Sheffield's. 

All the best,
Simon

PS: I keep the Lee ring in a display based on the Count's resurrection 'relics' in 'TtBoD' so here's one last pic:
(http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/9313/box92.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/box92.jpg/)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on December 11, 2012, 05:58:38 AM
While I've always felt that the QMx Dracula Crest ring was the most accurate version made (so far), it was difficult to obtain and is notorious for having its crest fall off. I'm very satisfied with my Factory Entertainment versions . . . until something better comes along.

I'm also very happy with my Dimensional Designs "Ultimate Edition." No, it isn't screen-accurate, but it's a great variation on the theme. It's a bit more "bling"-y, and never fails to get noticed on the rare occasions that I wear it.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Simon Rowson on December 11, 2012, 06:45:44 AM
Hi Count,

Please don't think I was belittling any of the other rings.

Opinions on any forum and on such topics are always subjective, being based on personal tastes or interests. I just happen to be concerned with screen accuracy rather than fashion or wearability. (Besides, I don't think anyone would even bat an eyelid at any of my rings if I wore them here in Tokyo!)

Also, I though it might be interesting to the folks on UMA to see the comparisons.

Simon
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Count_Zirock on December 11, 2012, 07:01:41 AM
It was interesting, Simon, and I was just reacting to the images. My Chris Lee Dracula ring is a recast of a recast, sold by Haunted Studios. Sir Christopher stopped selling his recasts in 2010, I believe.
I've not seen many images of Dimensional Designs' original, now sold out Dracula ring, but it didn't appear nearly as screen-accurate as the QMX version. For whatever its flaws, the FE version is the only one licensed by Universal and the current owner of the actual prop.
By the way, that TtBoD resurrection kit is awesome!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: ChrisB on May 08, 2023, 05:26:07 PM
Hi everyone,

I realize I'm reviving an ancient thread but I consider the topic undead...

Since I am currently starring as Dracula in a stage production in Hamburg, Germany, I got interested in "the ring" and in aquiring different versions of it to wear on stage.

In my research I collected the following images and background information, and since I learned a lot on this forum and from you guys, too, I want to share these with you:

(https://i.im.ge/2023/05/09/UIo0Wz.Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-08-um-23-25-17.png)
The original Dracula crest ring in "House of Frankenstein"

(https://i.im.ge/2023/05/09/UIo9o6.Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-08-um-23-18-53.png)
The Dracula crest on the coffin in "House of Frankenstein"

(https://i.im.ge/2023/05/09/UIoimS.MV5BOTkxYmIwYjMtODUxMy00ZTMxLWI1NTgtZTMxZjA3ODM3NDViXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNzk5MDQ0NA-V1-.jpg)
The Dracula crest on the coffin in "House of Dracula" - I think this is the clearest image we get of the crest and we can clearly make out the details like the circular shapes on the bottom of the top crown (changed in the Factory Entertainment version to straight lines) and the individually shaped small crowns (all identical in the Factory Entertainment versions). The upper right of the small crowns almost looks like it has a bird's head on it. I think it's fair to say the original designs had a lot more details worn down on the Ackerman ring and completely ignored during the polishing of the Factory Entertainment versions.

(https://i.im.ge/2023/05/09/UIojhF.Bildschirmfoto-2023-05-08-um-22-30-02.png)
The Alucard crest ring from "Son of Dracula". One can easily make out that the ring is the same ring - only the crest was changed for "House of Frankenstein" from the Alucard crest to the Dracula crest. When the ring was examined for making copies of it, they actually found markings of another crest that had been on it before, which would consolidate this hypothesis.

(https://i.im.ge/2023/05/09/UIrls9.sonofdracula1.webp)
The Alucard crest on the coffin from "Son of Dracula". The basic idea is already there - the four crowns - and interestingly a black bird instead of the bat. I even wonder if they had the Dracula crest already in mind when designing this.

So bottomline for me is:

The ring was first worn by Lon Chaney Jr. in "Son of Dracula" with a different crest on it.
It was then worn by John Carradine in "House of Frankenstein" and "House of Dracula" with the Dracula crest.
It was then worn by Bela Lugosi in "Abbot and Costello meet Frankenstein" who kept it in his possession afterwards.
He later gave the ring to Richard Sheffield who gave it to Forry J. Ackerman.
Ackerman had simple cast copies made and gave one of those (in simple metal without a Carnelian blood stone) to Christopher Lee, who wore it from "Dracula has risen from the grave" onwards, which was the 4th film in the Hammer series.
Another simple copy of the ring found its way (allegedly via Christopher Lee) to Duncan Regehr who wore it in "The Monster Squad".
Ackerman said that the original ring had also been on the finger of Frank Langella as well, so probably Ackerman had him try it on on one occasion.

Judging from the images the most authentic copy is the QMX version which even features visibly different small crowns on the shield. It also features the signs of decades of wearing so the details are clearly muddy like on Ackerman's original. We can only appreciate its original beauty in the film still where it is painted on the coffin.
The Factory Entertainment rings are close but they "cleared" the muddy cast up and thus eliminated details like the now all identical crowns and the bottom part of the top crown.
The Dimensional Designs version for me is far more beautiful than the FE version but takes much more deliberate liberties with the design (which bug me much less now I see the deviations on the FE rings).
The Christopher Lee and Haunting Studios versions are a recast of a recast but still keep the original muddy cast, so they are true to the original when it comes to the crest but less so concerning the original blood stone.

I hope my little lecture was somewhat entertaining.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Mike Scott on May 08, 2023, 06:57:05 PM
Welcome to the UMA, Chris!  :)

Here's to a successful run in "Dracula"!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: ChrisB on May 09, 2023, 04:04:57 AM
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: MonsterBaker666 on May 09, 2023, 11:16:11 AM
I have the original run of Dimensional Designs Dracula ring and I'm very happy with it.  They made some changes to it and reissued it (I think the new version is still available on their website).  The QMX one is as close to the original House Of Frankenstein ring as we're likely to get, but that one is long sold out.  The one from Factory Entertainment is OK - I got the one with the plastic "stone" and it is way too red - should be more rust color than bright red.  The main problem I have with it is that it is only available in 1 size, and it is WAY too small for my fingers.  The Dimensional Designs one came in a few sizes and the size 14 just fit my index finger. 

When Ray Ferry started Famous Monsters magazine up in the 90s he got with Forry and they were going to sell a copy of the ring as a pin.  First it was announced as silver on red, then silver and gold, then when it finally appeared it was all gold.  Nice, though the raised areas weren't raised than much - they might have done an early digital scan of it and made it from that.  They were said to make a ring for it to fit into, but by that point Ferry and Ackerman had their falling out, and all of that went with the wind. 
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Hepcat on May 09, 2023, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: ChrisB on May 08, 2023, 05:26:07 PMI realize I'm reviving an ancient thread but I consider the topic undead....

Every thread on this forum is undead and simply awaiting revival!

Quote from: ChrisB on May 08, 2023, 05:26:07 PMIn my research I collected the following images and background information, and since I learned a lot on this forum and from you guys, too, I want to share these with you:

I hope my little lecture was somewhat entertaining.

Great info! Thank you.

8)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Hepcat on May 09, 2023, 11:39:07 AM
Quote from: ChrisB on May 08, 2023, 05:26:07 PMI am currently starring as Dracula in a stage production in Hamburg, Germany....

Hopefully filled with succulent femmes fatales for your personal depredations!

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/.highres/dracula%201_zpsyzvom2e9.jpg)

:D

Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: ChrisB on May 09, 2023, 01:24:40 PM
To whom it may concern, this is me in the role:

(https://i.im.ge/2023/05/09/Uhm21K.220811-Fantitsch-Imperial-Dracula625.jpg)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: MonsterBaker666 on May 09, 2023, 06:59:31 PM
Very nice.  Full marks!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Mike Scott on May 09, 2023, 07:33:37 PM
Quote from: MonsterBaker666 on May 09, 2023, 06:59:31 PM
Very nice.  Full marks!

On her neck!
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Hepcat on May 09, 2023, 08:09:57 PM
But of course!

(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/.highres/AGrave.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: MonsterBaker666 on May 11, 2023, 08:54:12 AM
So what ring are you wearing in the role?
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: ChrisB on May 11, 2023, 09:19:14 AM
At the moment I'm wearing the DD Ultimate Edition in the beginning but I switch to the Singapore Costumebase copper edition for the ,,action" scenes so I don't damage the pricier ring.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: ChrisB on May 11, 2023, 06:27:19 PM
Slightly but not really off topic - I was just wondering if the ,,daylight rings" in the series ,,Vampire Diaries" were in any way inspired by the Dracula ring? At least the design does remind me of it.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: ChrisB on June 11, 2023, 05:47:12 AM
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/kyu7j98k5v47doh/pdf.png?raw=1)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ci9yuy3neew9ldy/The%20Dracula%20Ring.pdf?raw=1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ci9yuy3neew9ldy/The%20Dracula%20Ring.pdf?raw=1)

I took the time to write a small essay complete with pictures about the ring(s) to finally have the information all together - to the best of my knowledge.

Preview of the first page and download link above.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Hepcat on June 11, 2023, 07:29:20 AM
Excellent indeed!

thrhrt

Will your essay see publication anywhere?

???
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: ChrisB on June 11, 2023, 07:30:46 AM
Quote from: Hepcat on June 11, 2023, 07:29:20 AM
Excellent indeed!

thrhrt

Will your essay see publication anywhere?

???

Don't think so - at least I wouldn't know where and I haven't thought about it.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: BRICK on June 20, 2023, 08:54:01 PM
Quote from: ChrisB on June 11, 2023, 07:30:46 AM
Don't think so - at least I wouldn't know where and I haven't thought about it.

Chris,

    Scary Monsters magazine is always looking for articles, in case you were interested.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: ChrisB on June 21, 2023, 02:41:22 AM
Quote from: BRICK on June 20, 2023, 08:54:01 PM
Chris,

    Scary Monsters magazine is always looking for articles, in case you were interested.

Sure, if people are interested I'd be happy.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: BillB on September 09, 2025, 11:28:49 AM
Who's here in 2025 wishing they didn't sell their QMX Dracula ring for a whopping $500 back in the day? I just got my first QMX ring yesterday and I'm thrilled. The price was right and I couldn't resist. I've been looking for one for years but they have been so expensive I nearly gave up.
Title: Re: the dracula rings
Post by: Mike Scott on September 09, 2025, 02:48:47 PM
Look what the bat dragged in!  ;D

Quote from: BillB on September 09, 2025, 11:28:49 AMThe price was right and I couldn't resist.

I can never resist it.  :)