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Title: Favorite controversial films
Post by: general gruesome on January 28, 2013, 01:12:53 AM
What are some of you're guys favorite controversial films?

I enjoy controversial films with political stuff and blood/gore/violence the most
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: charp13 on January 29, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
I will watch just about anything. My criteria is usually- Hey, it's starting or it's really late, and I've lowered my standards.
I have watched some movies that I later IMDB-ed to see who the actors were, and read that they were considered controversial. I'm usually surprised to find out that a movie caused a stir.....unless of course I sat for 2 hours and didn't understand ANYTHING that was going on and then I feel better!  :)  I recently watched "Last Tango in Paris", and IMDB-ed (I think that's a verb) it to see if I missed something. After reading that it was controversial....I understood that it was not meant for some of us to "get".  hahahahaha
I LOVE " Circle of Iron"!! It just speaks to me, and I read that it was supposed to be a different type of movie- but Bruce Lee (the writer) died before it was started.  And some of the violent scenes that he had intended  to be in the film had been changed to comedic scenes- which was controversial. I still have watched it over 20 times.
I love some of the ultra violent thrill kill movies as well- like The Devil's Rejects. It's a beauty!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Flower on January 29, 2013, 01:48:34 PM
I like  ~
'Song on the South' ...  I watch movies to be entertained and 'Song of the South' is as historically incorrect as is 'Gone with the Wind' but 'Song of the South' gets most  of the mud flung at it.

I also like ~

'Eyes Wide Shut' .. It's been awhile since I've seen it (in the theatre) and would like to see it again. I remember thinking that Leelee Sobieski was a dead ringer for Helen Hunt.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Hepcat on January 29, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: Flower on January 29, 2013, 01:48:34 PM
I like  ~
'Song on the South' ...  I watch movies to be entertained and 'Song of the South' is as historically incorrect as is 'Gone with the Wind' but 'Song of the South' gets most  of the mud flung at it.

Yes, yes, yes!

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g434/Balticprince/General%20Album%202/song-of-the-south-poster-sized.jpg)

Believe it or not, but Walt Disney's Dumbo and Peter Pan also take flack nowadays from the politically correct crowd.

:o
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Unknown Primate on January 29, 2013, 02:41:46 PM
Char - I too, DIG "Circle of Iron" - even with Jeff Cooper's hair!  Carradine is very cool in it.  If I remember, he had three roles, didn't he?
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 29, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
One my all time favorite controversial films is.... Cannibal Holocaust. For its time the film (C.H.) was extremely controversial for its graphic subject matter. The controversy didn't just carry within the film. The controversy
followed many years after the films initial release. One of the many controversies was, what happened to the
actors in the film? Since the movie was filmed as pseudo-documentary. The people/actors were believed to be
murdered making the film. The director ( Ruggero Deodato)  had to prove that the actors he used in his film
were in fact, still alive. Deodatos intent was to have the film audience believe the actors were killed.

The whole mystique of the film has its own charm. Through the years, many horror enthusiast claim
1999's Blair Witch Project borrowed and was heavily influenced by Cannibal Holocaust. Although I
somewhat agree with an influence from C.H. I see no comparison.  Cannibal Holocaust
is a gritty, shocking, disturbing, visceral and over-the-top gore. Not recommended for the whole
Family.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: general gruesome on January 29, 2013, 03:53:27 PM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on January 29, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
One my all time favorite controversial films is.... Cannibal Holocaust. For its time the film (C.H.) was extremely controversial for its graphic subject matter. The controversy didn't just carry within the film. The controversy
followed many years after the films initial release. One of the many controversies was, what happened to the
actors in the film? Since the movie was filmed as pseudo-documentary. The people/actors were believed to be
murdered making the film. The director ( Ruggero Deodato)  had to prove that the actors he used in his film
were in fact, still alive. Deodatos intent was to have the film audience believe the actors were killed.

The whole mystique of the film has its own charm. Through the years, many horror enthusiast claim
1999's Blair Witch Project borrowed and was heavily influenced by Cannibal Holocaust. Although I
somewhat agree with an influence from C.H. I see no comparison.  Cannibal Holocaust
is a gritty, shocking, disturbing, visceral and over-the-top gore. Not recommended for the whole
Family.
Cannibal Holocaust IS a favorite of mine too, I also enjoy Cannibal Apocalypse, Cannibal Ferox, Eaten Alive, and many others
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Type3Toys on January 29, 2013, 08:46:56 PM
Quote from: charp13 on January 29, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
I will watch just about anything. My criteria is usually- Hey, it's starting or it's really late, and I've lowered my standards.
I have watched some movies that I later IMDB-ed to see who the actors were, and read that they were considered controversial. I'm usually surprised to find out that a movie caused a stir.....unless of course I sat for 2 hours and didn't understand ANYTHING that was going on and then I feel better!  :)  I recently watched "Last Tango in Paris", and IMDB-ed (I think that's a verb) it to see if I missed something. After reading that it was controversial....I understood that it was not meant for some of us to "get".  hahahahaha
I LOVE " Circle of Iron"!! It just speaks to me, and I read that it was supposed to be a different type of movie- but Bruce Lee (the writer) died before it was started.  And some of the violent scenes that he had intended  to be in the film had been changed to comedic scenes- which was controversial. I still have watched it over 20 times.
I love some of the ultra violent thrill kill movies as well- like The Devil's Rejects. It's a beauty!

OMG!! I love that movie "Circle Of Iron"!!! I learn something new each time I see it. It is just about as deep as a movie can be. The very first time I saw it I can remember my jaw just hanging open at the end!!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Paladin on January 29, 2013, 08:57:25 PM
Last Tango In Paris, uncut version ... with Maria Schneider & Brando
Don't look Now ... Donald Sutherland & Julie Christie
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: CreepysFan on January 29, 2013, 09:23:28 PM
 A Clockwork Orange.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Paladin on January 30, 2013, 10:04:27 AM
Quote from: CreepysFan on January 29, 2013, 09:23:28 PM
A Clockwork Orange.

This is a great movie. I think that it's Kubrick's best film.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 30, 2013, 06:04:02 PM
Lolita(1962)  Another super controversial film. Subject matter highly shocking. Directed by Stanley Kubrick.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: zombiehorror on January 30, 2013, 06:23:47 PM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on January 29, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
The whole mystique of the film has its own charm. Through the years, many horror enthusiast claim
1999's Blair Witch Project borrowed and was heavily influenced by Cannibal Holocaust. Although I
somewhat agree with an influence from C.H. I see no comparison.  Cannibal Holocaust
is a gritty, shocking, disturbing, visceral and over-the-top gore. Not recommended for the whole
Family.

The set up of a missing film crew is similar but The Blair Witch Project (1999) is closer to The Last Broadcast (1998), just replace the witch with the Jersey Devil!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: charp13 on January 30, 2013, 10:19:56 PM
Paladin- I see you also watched the "Tango" movie.....  :)  I'm 50 years old, and I tried to emotionally connect with Marlon Brando, but I couldn't get it.  I'm sure if it comes on tv again, I would be able to watch the performances better- now that I know what went on. I don't think I saw the unrated version though.
I also watched Eyes Wide Shut, and when a certain party scene came on, I swear I thought they were at a Satanic party and that it was gonna take a Rosemary's Baby turn! So when it didn't happen, I was disappointed. What was going on?
We are constantly trading Circle of Iron quotes back & forth, in my house. It's one of those movies I could watch every day!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Mord on January 30, 2013, 10:28:45 PM
I'd say "Illsa, She Wolf of the SS". Wall-to-wall nudity, Nazis, torture, gore, and sweet revenge.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Moonshadow on January 30, 2013, 11:22:19 PM
I've had Circle of Iron in my Netflix queue for about a year -now you guys convinced me to move it to the top to see what the fuss is about!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Howler on January 30, 2013, 11:29:57 PM
A Clockwork Orange
Murder Set Pieces
A Serbian Film
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Count_Zirock on January 31, 2013, 04:43:14 AM
"Caligula" (a.k.a. "Gore Vidal's Caligula," although he fought to have his name removed from it, and won!) I like to watch people's reactions to it. I think of it as the non-horror version of "Cannibal Ferox."
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 05:47:47 AM
Quote from: Mord on January 30, 2013, 10:28:45 PM
I'd say "Illsa, She Wolf of the SS". Wall-to-wall nudity, Nazis, torture, gore, and sweet revenge.


Great film. Dyanne Thorne is super hot.  But, yes. The film was controversial in it's heyday.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 05:55:11 AM
Quote from: Howler on January 30, 2013, 11:29:57 PM
A Clockwork Orange
Murder Set Pieces
A Serbian Film


A Serbian film, wow! That movie is beyond F****D up.  Beyond the realms of controversy.
I don't think the film should have ever been produced.  Which is weird., because I totally
love disturbing, shocking, disgusting and over the top cinema.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 06:12:12 AM
I'm going to go with: FACES OF DEATH.  The films/film series was very controversial in the early 80s.
So much so, many video stores would not carry or rent out the film series.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Paladin on January 31, 2013, 08:01:15 AM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 06:12:12 AM
I'm going to go with: FACES OF DEATH.  The films/film series was very controversial in the early 80s.
So much so, many video stores would not carry or rent out the film series.

Sounds a lot like Mondo Cane...
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: zombiehorror on January 31, 2013, 09:26:47 AM
Of the "controversial" movies I own or like enough to own;

I Spit on Your Grave, Last House on the Left....the originals of course!

The Exorcist, A Clockwork Orange, Texas Chainsaw Massacre (original), Freaks, Monty Python's Life of Brian, Henry: Portrait of A Serial Killer, Dogma,  Ilsa: She Wolf of the SS, Blood Sucking Freaks...

Not to mention Frankenstein, Psycho and Rosemary's Baby!!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Haunted hearse on January 31, 2013, 10:12:42 AM
"Song of the South" historically inacurate?  If it had taken place before the Civil War, well slaves didn't simply leave a plantation because they were unhappy, like Uncle Remus does, after he's told to stop telling stories to the boy.  But "Song of the South" takes place after the Civil War.  Former slaves often worked the same plantations they worked as slaves, but now had to be paid for it. All those farm workers you're seeing in the movie are NOT slaves. Costumes or furnishings?  Seems period correct for a film that takes place in the Victorian era.  An olderman instructing a child whose parents don't have time for him, why is that so far fetched?  The father heads for Atlanta, and leaves his wife and son behind on a plantation.  We'll Plantations continued to exist after the civil wars, and I think the Atlanta they are refrencing was in existence by that time.  Where are the historical in accuracies that are supposed to abound?  I liked "Django Unchained", but that film was riddled with inaccuracies, like the use of Dynamite in the 1850's.   More then anything else, it's the mis-perception that the film takes place before the civil war, that has people angry, because they think it's a film about a singing and dancing slave.  When Walt made the movie, he wanted it set after the civil war for that reason.  It may be because the father is heading for Atlanta because of some trouble brewing there, that some think it takes place before the War between the States, so that may be where that comes from.  If one has the good fortune to have seen the movie, Slavery isn't a part of it. 
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Paul L on January 31, 2013, 10:24:28 AM
I also LOVE Circle Of Iron, but I had no idea it was considered controversial. I saw it on a drive-in double bill w/The Exorcist years ago. It's been my favorite martial arts movie ever since.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: zombiehorror on January 31, 2013, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on January 31, 2013, 10:12:42 AM
I liked "Django Unchained", but that film was riddled with inaccuracies, like the use of Dynamite in the 1850's.

I haven't seen Django Unchained yet so I don't know what the dynamite looked like but there were tubular-fused explosives prior to 1850's, they just weren't labeled dynamite or TNT at that point!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Paladin on January 31, 2013, 11:17:02 AM
Seems like anything with Nazi overtones is controversial. I saw Ilsa: She Wolf... a long time ago and it was considered a porn film back in the day but by today's standards I think it's mild. The Nazi stuff would have the PC police up- in- arms. I don't even know if it's available, though I'm almost certain it could be had if someone really wanted it through bootlegs and such.
Even Schindler's List (which was excellent) had controversy surrounding it for a while.

Inglorious Basterds is another film that I'd have on my list, but this is fairly new.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Paladin on January 31, 2013, 11:26:04 AM
Quote from: charp13 on January 29, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
I will watch just about anything. My criteria is usually- Hey, it's starting or it's really late, and I've lowered my standards.
I have watched some movies that I later IMDB-ed to see who the actors were, and read that they were considered controversial. I'm usually surprised to find out that a movie caused a stir.....unless of course I sat for 2 hours and didn't understand ANYTHING that was going on and then I feel better!  :)  I recently watched "Last Tango in Paris", and IMDB-ed (I think that's a verb) it to see if I missed something. After reading that it was controversial....I understood that it was not meant for some of us to "get".  hahahahaha
I LOVE " Circle of Iron"!! It just speaks to me, and I read that it was supposed to be a different type of movie- but Bruce Lee (the writer) died before it was started.  And some of the violent scenes that he had intended  to be in the film had been changed to comedic scenes- which was controversial. I still have watched it over 20 times.
I love some of the ultra violent thrill kill movies as well- like The Devil's Rejects. It's a beauty!

I will try to watch just about anything. There are films that I will just avoid. For example anything with Tom Cruise because I just don't like him.  There are other actors, but they are just not worth the trouble for me.

Last Tango In Paris was raked over the coals at one time. People chastised Brando because they thought that that this role was beneath him, but I disagree.
I think that there are a lot of messages in Tango... and it's the kind of movie that you have to watch 2- 3 times in order to attain everything- because there are just to many twists and turns with the lead characters.
We have a revival theater on the other side of town and this is played every now and then at midnight.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Paladin on January 31, 2013, 11:32:11 AM
Quote from: Count_Zirock on January 31, 2013, 04:43:14 AM
"Caligula" (a.k.a. "Gore Vidal's Caligula," although he fought to have his name removed from it, and won!) I like to watch people's reactions to it. I think of it as the non-horror version of "Cannibal Ferox."

I own Caligula on DVD. Considering the subject matter, Pagan Rome, I didn't think that it was all that bad.
In fact, if this were shown on Masterpiece Theater (for example) the outcry would have been minimal.
I, Claudius contained many controversial scenes and materials and it's considered a masterpiece (and I agree that it is.).
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Fester on January 31, 2013, 12:47:12 PM
Quote from: Paladin on January 31, 2013, 11:17:02 AM
Seems like anything with Nazi overtones is controversial. I saw Ilsa: She Wolf... a long time ago and it was considered a porn film back in the day but by today's standards I think it's mild. The Nazi stuff would have the PC police up- in- arms. I don't even know if it's available, though I'm almost certain it could be had if someone really wanted it through bootlegs and such.
Even Schindler's List (which was excellent) had controversy surrounding it for a while.

Inglorious Basterds is another film that I'd have on my list, but this is fairly new.

Ilsa She Wolf of the SS was not controversial necessarily because of the Nazi connection in the title. It was mostly because it was one of the most famous or infamous sexploitation movies which came out in the 1970s.

By the way, She Wolf was filmed on the old Hogan's Heroes set and burning the place down at the end of the movie saved the expense of tearing the place down.
BTW there were at least four Ilsa sexploitation flicks:
    Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS
    Ilsa, Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks
    Ilsa, the Tigress of Siberia
    Ilsa, the Wicked Warden

All of them follow basically the same pattern of lets find new and more explicit and often, more disgusting ways to push the limits of obscenity.
These movies featured lots of scenes of torture interspersed with gratuitous soft core sex. 
Oh, and Anchor Bay released them on DVD and are probably still available "PC police" notwithstanding.  It is still on Netflix.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Paladin on January 31, 2013, 01:24:09 PM
Quote from: Fester on January 31, 2013, 12:47:12 PM
Ilsa She Wolf of the SS was not controversial necessarily because of the Nazi connection in the title. It was mostly because it was one of the most famous or infamous sexploitation movies which came out in the 1970s.

By the way, She Wolf was filmed on the old Hogan's Heroes set and burning the place down at the end of the movie saved the expense of tearing the place down.
BTW there were at least four Ilsa sexploitation flicks:
    Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS
    Ilsa, Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks
    Ilsa, the Tigress of Siberia
    Ilsa, the Wicked Warden

All of them follow basically the same pattern of lets find new and more explicit and often, more disgusting ways to push the limits of obscenity.
These movies featured lots of scenes of torture interspersed with gratuitous soft core sex. 
Oh, and Anchor Bay released them on DVD and are probably still available "PC police" notwithstanding.  It is still on Netflix.

Good to know, Fester. I may check out Ilsa..., since I haven't seen it in years, and a few of the sequels.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: general gruesome on January 31, 2013, 03:12:19 PM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 06:12:12 AM
I'm going to go with: FACES OF DEATH.  The films/film series was very controversial in the early 80s.
So much so, many video stores would not carry or rent out the film series.
I remember seeing the Faces of Death films at the movie store way back in the day/ They are awesome
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 04:14:57 PM
Quote from: zombiehorror on January 31, 2013, 09:26:47 AM
Of the "controversial" movies I own or like enough to own;

I Spit on Your Grave, Last House on the Left....the originals of course!

The Exorcist, A Clockwork Orange, Texas Chainsaw Massacre (original), Freaks, Monty Python's Life of Brian, Henry: Portrait of A Serial Killer, Dogma,  Ilsa: She Wolf of the SS, Blood Sucking Freaks...

Not to mention Frankenstein, Psycho and Rosemary's Baby!!




I own those films, as well.  I remember the controversy with: Henry, Portrait of a serial Killer.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
I purchased the DVDs of Ilsa many years ago, in a three-pack. Here's the DVD s from Amazon.....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001LJCRU (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001LJCRU)
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Howler on January 31, 2013, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 05:55:11 AM



A Serbian film, wow! That movie is beyond F****D up.  Beyond the realms of controversy.
I don't think the film should have ever been produced.  Which is weird., because I totally
love disturbing, shocking, disgusting and over the top cinema.

Yeah, I was actually going to erase it from my post, but you commented too fast. lol Some of the parts were okay, but others that were implied because they were cut out of the American version were WAY too much for my taste.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: aura of foreboding on January 31, 2013, 08:32:23 PM
Quote from: Hepcat on January 29, 2013, 02:02:14 PM

Believe it or not, but Walt Disney's Dumbo and Peter Pan also take flack nowadays from the politically correct crowd.

:o

I know.  I was shocked to recently read some of the comments people are making about those two films.  Who knew?! 
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Mord on February 01, 2013, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
I purchased the DVDs of Ilsa many years ago, in a three-pack. Here's the DVD s from Amazon.....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001LJCRU (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001LJCRU)
Yeah, the Illsa films are, sadly, no longer available (hence the high prices). My second fave is "Wicked Warden"(originally "Greta the Torturer"). The totally nude shower fight scene is not to be believed (R.I.P. Lina Romay)!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on February 01, 2013, 11:39:14 AM
Quote from: Mord on February 01, 2013, 11:22:18 AM
Yeah, the Illsa films are, sadly, no longer available (hence the high prices). My second fave is "Wicked Warden"(originally "Greta the Torturer"). The totally nude shower fight scene is not to be believed (R.I.P. Lina Romay)!


Romay, Jess Franco's love.  R.I.P.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: horrorhunter on February 26, 2013, 10:37:04 PM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on January 29, 2013, 03:25:43 PM
One my all time favorite controversial films is.... Cannibal Holocaust. For its time the film (C.H.) was extremely controversial for its graphic subject matter. The controversy didn't just carry within the film. The controversy
followed many years after the films initial release. One of the many controversies was, what happened to the
actors in the film? Since the movie was filmed as pseudo-documentary. The people/actors were believed to be
murdered making the film. The director ( Ruggero Deodato)  had to prove that the actors he used in his film
were in fact, still alive. Deodatos intent was to have the film audience believe the actors were killed.

The whole mystique of the film has its own charm. Through the years, many horror enthusiast claim
1999's Blair Witch Project borrowed and was heavily influenced by Cannibal Holocaust. Although I
somewhat agree with an influence from C.H. I see no comparison.  Cannibal Holocaust
is a gritty, shocking, disturbing, visceral and over-the-top gore. Not recommended for the whole
Family.
I agree, marsattacks666. That court actually tried to convict Deodato of murder because the film was so believable (and on that miniscule budget!). After he brought the actors out of hiding to keep from being convicted of murder, the judge still pressed animal cruelty charges. I love Cannibal Holocaust. The link to Blair Witch is the whole "found footage" thing. Aside from that the two films are not similar at all. I enjoyed Blair Witch, but the fun frights delivered by it can't compare to the somber, dark, sense of helplessness and turbocharged carnage that CH delivers. It is too over-the-top for many, and a lot of people look down on movies of this sort as "gore cartoons". But, it takes very little suspension of dibelief to be entertained and moved by Cannibal Holocaust. As you say, the legal problems Deodato faced adds an interesting backstory which lends that macabre mystique to it. It's a classic.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: horrorhunter on February 26, 2013, 10:50:10 PM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on January 31, 2013, 04:23:21 PM
I purchased the DVDs of Ilsa many years ago, in a three-pack. Here's the DVD s from Amazon.....

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001LJCRU (http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0001LJCRU)
I picked up that Ilsa three-pack a few years ago as well. Man, that's some grindhouse goodness. Uschi Digart was even in the second one. Dyanne Thorn AND "the Oosh".....spectacular! Those commentary tracks are awesome as well as the eye candy. ;D
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on February 26, 2013, 10:53:59 PM
Quote from: horrorhunter on February 26, 2013, 10:50:10 PM
     I picked up that Ilsa three-pack a few years ago as well. Man, that's some grindhouse goodness. Uschi Digart was even in the second one. Dyanne Thorn AND "the Oosh".....spectacular! Those commentary tracks are awesome as well as the eye candy. ;D




I agree.  Uschi D., hubba, hubba.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Moonshadow on February 27, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
Quote from: charp13 on January 29, 2013, 12:56:49 PM
I LOVE " Circle of Iron"!! It just speaks to me, and I read that it was supposed to be a different type of movie- but Bruce Lee (the writer) died before it was started.  And some of the violent scenes that he had intended  to be in the film had been changed to comedic scenes- which was controversial. I still have watched it over 20 times.

All right Charpie, I finally watched this film, and I gotta say... I'm not feelin' it! Maybe I was prejudiced against it from the start, after seeing Jeff Cooper's hair. I don't know -he looks like a live action version of Thundarr the barbarian. Anyway, it was pretty freaky, a real bad trip, man. But I stuck with it, mostly because of the beautiful Israel locations.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on February 27, 2013, 10:11:24 PM
Another favorite controversial film I enjoy: I watched Sarah Bleed ( aka...Blood Virgin or Angel's
Last Breath) The direction and narrative is something to be seen. Filmed in 1972. The movie was
not released until 1979. Also, the film has many other titles. 
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: charp13 on February 28, 2013, 10:50:08 PM
Moonshadow- I can't stop laughing about Thundarr! My husband and I used to watch it together when we were newlyweds! Hahaha!
Nakima! Unk!  Anyway, it takes multiple viewings to appreciate the movie.....yeah...that's it! I really don't know why I love Circle of Iron so much! Maybe it's David Carradine- but you're right about the beautiful locations.  You didn't like the monkeys???
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Moonshadow on February 28, 2013, 11:25:10 PM
Quote from: charp13 on February 28, 2013, 10:50:08 PM
Moonshadow- I can't stop laughing about Thundarr! My husband and I used to watch it together when we were newlyweds! Hahaha!
Nakima! Unk!  Anyway, it takes multiple viewings to appreciate the movie.....yeah...that's it! I really don't know why I love Circle of Iron so much! Maybe it's David Carradine- but you're right about the beautiful locations.  You didn't like the monkeys???

Carradine was one of those guys, he could be equally great and terrible. I loved him in Kung Fu, and Deathrace 2000, but in this film, he was all over the place. The blind teacher wasn't bad, but the weird pseudo-asian warlord guy was just awful! And the less said about the monkeys the better! I watched a short extra piece where Carradine described making the movie and clearly he had fond memories of the film, but boy, I don't think I'd call it his best work.

And what the heck was Eli Wallach doing in a barrel trying to dissolve his pecker? Honestly, I think they were all on acid when they made this. And not the high quality stuff, either.

I did enjoy the line, "You can't kill a horse with a flute!" though.

It would have been interesting to see what sort of film Bruce Lee would have made, if he had lived and pursued this project.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: charp13 on March 02, 2013, 07:57:48 PM
The Eli Wallach scene has always puzzled/disturbed me. And I also always think about what kind of movie it would have been if Bruce Lee had lived. I guess that's part of my obsession with the movie- I try to figure things out that went awry.
I still think the monkey scene is super weird!! And I can't explain why it delights me so much. Oooh, and Jeff Cooper isn't too hard on the eyes.  :) 
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Haunted hearse on March 03, 2013, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: charp13 on March 02, 2013, 07:57:48 PM
The Eli Wallach scene has always puzzled/disturbed me. And I also always think about what kind of movie it would have been if Bruce Lee had lived. I guess that's part of my obsession with the movie- I try to figure things out that went awry.
I still think the monkey scene is super weird!! And I can't explain why it delights me so much. Oooh, and Jeff Cooper isn't too hard on the eyes.  :)
That Bruce Lee shot so little footage before he died, and some awful footage had been shot for filler, pretty much sums up what went awry. 
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Frankenmarx on September 05, 2013, 08:36:23 PM
Is High Noon controversial?
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Haunted hearse on September 06, 2013, 06:05:57 PM
Quote from: Frankenmarx on September 05, 2013, 08:36:23 PM
Is High Noon controversial?
Idon't know about now, but when it was made, it was very controviersial.  John Wayne hated it so much, he made "Rio Bravo" as an "Anti-High Noon Film".  By the way, although Michael Blakes's (Who could be the leading expert on Lon Chaney Sr.) father appeared as the bartender, he was unfairly not given any screen credit.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on September 06, 2013, 10:27:58 PM
The Last Temptation of Christ(1988) Highly controversial. Starring Willem Dafoe.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: The Batman on September 18, 2013, 03:18:21 PM
My wife & I enjoyed it so much that we rented it a 2nd time less than a year after we saw it for the first time. The bad guys do such a superb job of making you want to leap onto the screen and decimate both of 'em. 'Disturbing, as this type of crime could easily be achieved, a couple of young kids overpowering and praying upon wealthier people.

(http://www.unanimousentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Funny-Games2.jpg)

Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: long live kong on September 18, 2013, 04:31:20 PM

Freaks
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Excorcist
Scum
Romper Stomper
Martyrs
Scarface
Star Wars Episode 1 : The Phantom Menace
Twilight

....just kidding on the last two!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Haunted hearse on September 18, 2013, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: long live kong on September 18, 2013, 04:31:20 PM
Freaks
The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
The Excorcist
Scum
Romper Stomper
Martyrs
Scarface
Star Wars Episode 1 : The Phantom Menace
Twilight

....just kidding on the last two!
Are you sure?  Twilight may have generated as much hate as love with prople, and a lot of die hard Star War fans, hated Epiode 1, but it made a lot of bucks at the theatre.  Plus as a father, I had to deal with how much my daughter LOVED Jar Jar, when she was a toddler. 
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on September 18, 2013, 07:59:53 PM
Quote from: The Batman on September 18, 2013, 03:18:21 PM
My wife & I enjoyed it so much that we rented it a 2nd time less than a year after we saw it for the first time. The bad guys do such a superb job of making you want to leap onto the screen and decimate both of 'em. 'Disturbing, as this type of crime could easily be achieved, a couple of young kids overpowering and praying upon wealthier people.

(http://www.unanimousentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Funny-Games2.jpg)




Great film and disturbing.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Mord on September 18, 2013, 08:56:28 PM
Check out the original (by the same director), even more chilling.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on September 18, 2013, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Mord on September 18, 2013, 08:56:28 PM
Check out the original (by the same director), even more chilling.



I remember seeing the film. Very cool.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: long live kong on September 19, 2013, 12:44:51 AM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on September 18, 2013, 05:00:30 PM
  Are you sure?  Twilight may have generated as much hate as love with prople, and a lot of die hard Star War fans, hated Epiode 1, but it made a lot of bucks at the theatre.  Plus as a father, I had to deal with how much my daughter LOVED Jar Jar, when she was a toddler.

I listed a handful of my personal faves. I was trying to be funny with the last two. I haven't actually seen any of the Twilight films, but hey, maybe one day I'll be lying in a hospital bed in traction and the opportunity will arise!  :D

I'll have to check out Funny Games.

Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Haunted hearse on September 19, 2013, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: long live kong on September 19, 2013, 12:44:51 AM
I listed a handful of my personal faves. I was trying to be funny with the last two. I haven't actually seen any of the Twilight films, but hey, maybe one day I'll be lying in a hospital bed in traction and the opportunity will arise!  :D

If that's the case, make sure they remove any medications you could overdose on within reach of your hospital bed.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: long live kong on September 19, 2013, 09:06:50 AM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on September 19, 2013, 08:33:13 AM
If that's the case, make sure they remove any medications you could overdose on within reach of your hospital bed.

And any objects suitable for gouging out one's own eyes!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Monsters For Sale on September 24, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: Frankenmarx on September 05, 2013, 08:36:23 PM
Is High Noon controversial?

At the time it was hated by the old school film makers who thought it was a sacrilege to show the main hero in a western movie to be going around town asking for help.  He was just supposed to go out and silently kill all the bad guys single-handed.

John Wayne was very outspoken about the film.  I believe he asked Gary Cooper not to make it.

The politicians got in on the debate and some argued that it was anti-American to show the town's law enforcement being weak and not up to the job.  They went so far as to say it was communist inspired and meant to weaken Americans' self image and national resolve.  (It did not help that some blacklisted artists worked on the picture.)

It all seems so silly today, but back then it was taken very seriously by some.

"High Noon" is on my short list of the best films ever made.  It had been parodied so often that it was almost unwatchable for some years.  Now the parodies have faded from memory and the movie is easier to take at face value.

It is a true treasure of a film.

Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Haunted hearse on September 25, 2013, 09:47:01 AM
Quote from: Monsters For Sale on September 24, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
At the time it was hated by the old school film makers who thought it was a sacrilege to show the main hero in a western movie to be going around town asking for help.  He was just supposed to go out and silently kill all the bad guys single-handed.

We had just gotten through the depression and WW2, and the common thread among Hollywood is in a time of great crisis (such as the communist menace) people wouldn't hesitate to pull together, and form a united front against the baddies facing them.  In "High Noon", everybody actually refuses to join the fight against the baddies for one reason or another.  This was considered heresy by a lot of people.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Monsters For Sale on September 25, 2013, 12:47:22 PM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on September 25, 2013, 09:47:01 AM
We had just gotten through the depression and WW2, and the common thread among Hollywood is in a time of great crisis (such as the communist menace) people wouldn't hesitate to pull together, and form a united front against the baddies facing them.  In "High Noon", everybody actually refuses to join the fight against the baddies for one reason or another.  This was considered heresy by a lot of people.

Absolutely.  The film was attacked from all angles: politicians, civic committees, church groups, etc.

Today, it is hard to see how such a simple, straight-forward story of one fearful town could have engendered such animus, but it did.  For some people, it came to epitomize their view of an American populace become soft and complacent in the post WWII period known as the "cold war".

The movie became a political hot potato and was taken as a personal affront by industry people like John Wayne and John Ford.

From time to time, people have to be reminded that they are just movies. 

Godzilla wasn't real - Tokyo is just fine.


Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: charp13 on October 16, 2013, 11:34:23 AM
I've been recording movies like crazy lately, because we just got a glorious dvr through our cable company.  Last night I decided to scour all the good channels & see if there were any movies I had never seen before. So good ol' TCM had a movie that I recall hearing controversy about when I was 11 or 12...you know, the "Mad Magazine is your only source of pop culture besides comics" age. I remembered the Mad article- I Am Lecherous Purple (I think that was it), and I recorded the move- I am Curious Yellow. Of course it was all in Swedish, but I didn't mind because it sounds like a pretty language, and I missed a lot because I was busy reading the rapid fire subtitles. But I must say: the movie seemed pretty cool for the 60s, and I was taken aback by some of the scenes. I would like to watch it again so I can pay more attention to the actors and less to the subtitles, and I need to watch it on a tv that's bigger than my puny 22" set.  Anyway, it was NOT a Halloween movie.  hahahaha!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Monsters For Sale on October 16, 2013, 11:40:41 AM
Quote from: charp13 on October 16, 2013, 11:34:23 AM
I've been recording movies like crazy lately, because we just got a glorious dvr through our cable company.  Last night I decided to scour all the good channels & see if there were any movies I had never seen before. So good ol' TCM had a movie that I recall hearing controversy about when I was 11 or 12...you know, the "Mad Magazine is your only source of pop culture besides comics" age. I remembered the Mad article- I Am Lecherous Purple (I think that was it), and I recorded the move- I am Curious Yellow. Of course it was all in Swedish, but I didn't mind because it sounds like a pretty language, and I missed a lot because I was busy reading the rapid fire subtitles. But I must say: the movie seemed pretty cool for the 60s, and I was taken aback by some of the scenes. I would like to watch it again so I can pay more attention to the actors and less to the subtitles, and I need to watch it on a tv that's bigger than my puny 22" set.  Anyway, it was NOT a Halloween movie.  hahahaha!

"I Am Curious Yellow" caused a bit of a stir when it was released.

By-the-way...  It was followed a year later by "I Am Curious Blue", by the same director.  If you like the first film, you might want to check out the 2nd one.

Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: charp13 on October 16, 2013, 11:49:57 AM
Awww- man! I didn't know that one was on afterwards! I read about it on IMDB this morning. I always end up looking up the actors' names after I watch a movie that I'm not familiar with, and I read about how it was supposed to be a continuous 3+ hour movie, but they divided it into two.
I also watched The Master this weekend 2 times! I'm obsessed with that movie! I couldn't stop thinking about it. I don't think it's controversial or anything, but it was really different. Joaquin Phoenix blew me away with his performance!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Unknown Primate on October 16, 2013, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: long live kong on September 18, 2013, 04:31:20 PM

Romper Stomper


RS kicks ass.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on October 16, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Quote from: Unknown Primate on October 16, 2013, 12:21:13 PM
RS kicks ass.


Is it wrong to be totally obsessed with this film? Rhetorical. >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: long live kong on October 16, 2013, 03:11:48 PM
Quote from: Unknown Primate on October 16, 2013, 12:21:13 PM
RS kicks ass.

It also has a rather charming soundtrack!!

Anyone seen 'Bad Boy Bubby'?? Another quaint Australian gem!
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Unknown Primate on October 16, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
Quote from: marsattacks666 on October 16, 2013, 02:59:03 PM
Is it wrong to be totally obsessed with this film? Rhetorical. >:D >:D >:D

I've pondered that question several times...

Quote from: long live kong on October 16, 2013, 03:11:48 PM
It also has a rather charming soundtrack!!
Anyone seen 'Bad Boy Bubby'?? Another quaint Australian gem!

Agreed, regarding soundtrack.  "Bad Boy Bubby", I have not seen.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: marsattacks666 on October 16, 2013, 03:40:08 PM
Quote from: Unknown Primate on October 16, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
I've pondered that question several times...

Agreed, regarding soundtrack.  "Bad Boy Bubby", I have not seen.


Not to mention the film, American History X.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: long live kong on October 16, 2013, 04:09:06 PM
Quote from: Unknown Primate on October 16, 2013, 03:37:02 PM
I've pondered that question several times...

Agreed, regarding soundtrack.  "Bad Boy Bubby", I have not seen.

I'd recommend you watch it, but you know my address  and I fear reprisals!

I wasn't keen on American History X, maybe because I can't stand Edward Norton. He has the charisma of a lettuce and the acting skills of a lamp fashioned from the skin of Keanu Reeve's buttocks.
Title: Re: Favorite controversial films
Post by: Mitchellmania on November 08, 2013, 11:47:21 AM
I like Asian Gore/Horror/ Martial Arts from Tokyo Shock and other companies.