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I have to say that I'm not against that
Imagine all the awesome LENS FLARES!!! ;)
Why am I not surprised? Good for him. Super-nerd with a dream job.
He's a much more creative director than George Lucas ever was.
Quote from: Mord on January 25, 2013, 10:18:55 PM
He's a much more creative director than George Lucas ever was.
Not that tough of an accomplishment, really. :P
I didn't read the article yet, but does this mean that Star Trek's rebirth is gonzo??
This is about the best news Star Wars fans could've gotten..save for that rumor about a time machine going backwards and destroying everything that resembles Jar Jar Binks :P
His name linked to the events after Jedi is definitely a step in the right direction for the franchise--super excited over this!
Quote from: BlackLagoon on January 27, 2013, 12:29:17 AM
This is about the best news Star Wars fans could've gotten..save for that rumor about a time machine going backwards and destroying everything that resembles Jar Jar Binks :P
His name linked to the events after Jedi is definitely a step in the right direction for the franchise--super excited over this!
I'm a fan of stars wars new and old, I enjoyed Jar Jar Binks, I don't get why people dislike him. I watched Star Wars Episode 1 in theaters when I was little and really enjoyed the film and Jar Jar Binks, he was awesome/ also enjoyed the advertisements at KFC and Taco Bell, as well as the toys
Quote from: steve050305 on January 27, 2013, 07:02:13 PM
I'm a fan of stars wars new and old, I enjoyed Jar Jar Binks, I don't get why people dislike him. I watched Star Wars Episode 1 in theaters when I was little and really enjoyed the film and Jar Jar Binks, he was awesome/ also enjoyed the advertisements at KFC and Taco Bell, as well as the toys
When you were little, that has a lot to do with it.....you didn't grow up only knowing of the original films!! Us older fans new the Star Wars movies/universe as a completely different animal than the current/younger Star Wars generation! There was a whole faction of Star Wars fans that grew up with Star Wars movies that were made for both adults and children to enjoy, then there is the faction that grew up with the films that completely and ashamedly pander to children. I've said it before the new Star Wars universe is fine in cartoon form, I love the Clone Wars, but when it comes to live action it was horrible! Previous attempts to turn the Star Wars universe into kiddie fair was usually either brought in cartoon form, Droids/Ewoks, with the only other exception being the inclusion of the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi.....Hell now that I think about it the 2 made for tv Ewok movies, Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor, were probably darker, better and closer to the 77-83 films than the new Star Wars movies!
Quote from: steve050305 on January 27, 2013, 07:02:13 PM
I'm a fan of stars wars new and old, I enjoyed Jar Jar Binks, I don't get why people dislike him. I watched Star Wars Episode 1 in theaters when I was little and really enjoyed the film and Jar Jar Binks, he was awesome/ also enjoyed the advertisements at KFC and Taco Bell, as well as the toys
You watched them when you were little....that has a lot to do with it! Us older Star Wars fans knew only the universe created in the original films, which didn't pander to children like the new films do. Any attempt to water down Star Wars was done in cartoon form (save for that wretched Holiday Special), Droids and Ewoks; And there was the inclusion of the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi in the first place, which didn't go over well with most Star Wars fans at the time. The new movies are the celluloid embodiment of the Ewoks and now that I think about the Ewoks the two made for tv movies, Caravan of Courage: An Ewok Adventure and Ewoks: The Battle for Endor were probably closer to the "real" Star Wars universe than the new dumbed down-kiddiefied universe of the newer films! Hopefully the next round of films will find the simple formula that made the original trilogy part of sci-fi history and leave out about 80% of what made up the newer films!
Well crap...I was showing some kind of error, so I retyped my whole message and then see it did post the first time....oh well! Read them both and pick your favorite, they both have the same message.
I watched the old Star Wars films when I was little as well as the new films and I prefer the old to new anyways, and understand what you mean when you say about the people who grew up watching them back in the day compared to now/ There's nothing wrong with Jar Jar Binks tho, I enjoy the different creatures and environments that were written into the new films [example, the underwater city in Episode 1 and the where the submarine travels in the water and there's a monster fish], the old Star Wars films were better tho/ I dislike when people all totally say bad things about Jar Jar when there are worse stuff in the film such as Episode II being an awful film/ I understand what you mean tho and understand/ I still do enjoy the 1977-1983 Star Wars era way better, and there are some stuff I like about the new films, the former more than the latter of course
For those of us who were adults (I was 22) when we saw Star Wars in theaters, the series has become increasingly more of a kiddy show.
For what it is worth, Star Wars was originally a one-off, stand-alone movie. There were no real plans for a sequel. The episode number was merely a nod to the old Flash Gordon/ Buck Rogers serials that used to run on Saturday Kid Matinees. When the money started rolling in, then some further adventures and back story had to be made up.
This is a modern mythology, that unlike most world mythologies, was made up at the spur of the moment. And it was made up not to explain the world, but to attract more ticket sales. While the story line maintains some semblance of the traditional Hero's journey (a-la Joseph Campbell, JRR Tolkien, Homer, or even the anonymous author of Beowulf) the connection was more likely accidental.
As regards Abrams taking the helm of a new Star Wars movie: I'm fine with it. If he does half as good a job as he did for Star Trek, this may be the best thing to happen to Star Wars since opening day 1977.
Science fiction writer John Scalzi presents a pretty good argument for Abrams new directing gig.
http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/26/all-right-fine-heres-what-i-think-about-jj-abrams-directing-star-wars-episode-vii/ (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2013/01/26/all-right-fine-heres-what-i-think-about-jj-abrams-directing-star-wars-episode-vii/)
Quote from: Fester on January 28, 2013, 02:26:15 AM
For what it is worth, Star Wars was originally a one-off, stand-alone movie. There were no real plans for a sequel.
I don't see what that matters?!
The Journal of the Whills, which became
The Star Wars, which became
Adventures of Luke Starkiller, as taken from the Journal of the Whills, Saga I: The Star Wars, back to
The Star Wars and finally Star Wars. By the time Lucas got the point of calling it Star Wars he was envisioning a multi-film franchise, even the the basis of the prequel(s) was mentioned back in 1977.
"In an interview with Rolling Stone in August 1977, he said that he wanted his friends to each take a turn at directing the films [other entries in the Star Wars franchise] and giving unique interpretations on the series. He also said that the backstory in which Darth Vader turns to the dark side, kills Luke's father and fights Ben Kenobi on a volcano as the Galactic Republic falls would make an excellent sequel."
The Star Wars novel Splinter of the Minds Eye (released in 1978) was originally written because Lucas hired Alan Dean Foster to write it (at some point in 1976) as a proposed sequel (he was hired for 2 novels/sequels) to Star Wars which would be used as the basis for future screenplays!
The Empire Strikes Back, title and all, had a handwritten treatment by November of 1977, written by Lucas and Leigh Brackett; It was at this point that he added the episode indicators, this of course being (at the time) episode II! In late 1978/early 1979 Lucas decided on the trilogy concept, and in that the initial series would truely be the middle part of a bigger story (which again is a concept he had from early on). He corrected episode II to episode V at that point.
Revenge of the Jedi was in it's initial writing phases in 1981! Originally from there plans were to take Star Wars into the future with episodes VII-XI but at that point Lucas abandoned Star Wars for several reasons both professional and personal. And we all know what happened with the prequels.......
I don't really care who directs it, any director of the Star Wars prequels would have had to pull some major directorial weight in order to make those better movies. They need to get rid of the cartoon stereotypes that populate the new Star Wars universe, again it isn't bad in a cartoon but it is very distracting in a live action film; Part of this would be the exclusion of the horrible character voices! Go back to alien languages with subtitles, it is so much more realistic and believable and consistent with the established Star Wars universe. Next get rid of the blatant comedy, it isn't necessary and was yet again not part of the original universe; In the original films there were comical aspects but they didn't detract from what was happening, characters could be funny without being over the top......just look at the introduction of Yoda! Unfortunately I don't see them doing away with needless-non stop action sequences, of which the prequels are full of, which is just part of the expectation of modern day sci-fi/action films. Hopefully most of the more horrendous aspects of the prequels will be done away with/fixed during the writing process of the new films but if not it will take a strong director to steer the project in the right direction!
I oppose any further Star wars films, especially without Lucas's involvement. Why? Despite his faults, Lucas understood the mythos behind it. Now that the rat has control of it- Disney- Any further films would not only be anti-climactic, but lacking in soul.
Quote from: Dr. Madd on January 28, 2013, 11:31:33 AM
I oppose any further Star wars films, especially without Lucas's involvement. Why? Despite his faults, Lucas understood the mythos behind it. Now that the rat has control of it- Disney- Any further films would not only be anti-climactic, but lacking in soul.
:o
Man you have got to get out more.....have you seen the prequels?! Talk about lack of soul!? Talk about not understanding the mythos!? Talk about not even the basic knowledge of what made the original trilogy so great in the first place!
Midichlorians...Anyone!?
Quote from: zombiehorror on January 28, 2013, 10:34:51 AM
I don't see what that matters?! The Journal of the Whills, which became The Star Wars, which became Adventures of Luke Starkiller, as taken from the Journal of the Whills, Saga I: The Star Wars, back to The Star Wars and finally Star Wars. By the time Lucas got the point of calling it Star Wars he was envisioning a multi-film franchise, even the the basis of the prequel(s) was mentioned back in 1977.
"In an interview with Rolling Stone in August 1977, he said that he wanted his friends to each take a turn at directing the films [other entries in the Star Wars franchise] and giving unique interpretations on the series. He also said that the backstory in which Darth Vader turns to the dark side, kills Luke's father and fights Ben Kenobi on a volcano as the Galactic Republic falls would make an excellent sequel."
The Star Wars novel Splinter of the Minds Eye (released in 1978) was originally written because Lucas hired Alan Dean Foster to write it (at some point in 1976) as a proposed sequel (he was hired for 2 novels/sequels) to Star Wars which would be used as the basis for future screenplays!
The Empire Strikes Back, title and all, had a handwritten treatment by November of 1977, written by Lucas and Leigh Brackett; It was at this point that he added the episode indicators, this of course being (at the time) episode II! In late 1978/early 1979 Lucas decided on the trilogy concept, and in that the initial series would truely be the middle part of a bigger story (which again is a concept he had from early on). He corrected episode II to episode V at that point.
Revenge of the Jedi was in it's initial writing phases in 1981! Originally from there plans were to take Star Wars into the future with episodes VII-XI but at that point Lucas abandoned Star Wars for several reasons both professional and personal. And we all know what happened with the prequels.......
I don't really care who directs it, any director of the Star Wars prequels would have had to pull some major directorial weight in order to make those better movies. They need to get rid of the cartoon stereotypes that populate the new Star Wars universe, again it isn't bad in a cartoon but it is very distracting in a live action film; Part of this would be the exclusion of the horrible character voices! Go back to alien languages with subtitles, it is so much more realistic and believable and consistent with the established Star Wars universe. Next get rid of the blatant comedy, it isn't necessary and was yet again not part of the original universe; In the original films there were comical aspects but they didn't detract from what was happening, characters could be funny without being over the top......just look at the introduction of Yoda! Unfortunately I don't see them doing away with needless-non stop action sequences, of which the prequels are full of, which is just part of the expectation of modern day sci-fi/action films. Hopefully most of the more horrendous aspects of the prequels will be done away with/fixed during the writing process of the new films but if not it will take a strong director to steer the project in the right direction!
I completely agree. The new trilogy is nothing more than a travesty. Here's to hoping that Abrams ignores that trilogy and doesn't count it as canon, though Disney probably will not allow it as the common moviegoer will be too "confused" if he erases the last three films.
The only thing that I am worried about is Abrams leaving behind the Star Trek series after the next film. I know he is signed on for Producer but it is still something to be concerned about. But that is a discussion for another topic... :)
Abrams has only committed to direct Episode VII. He hasn't committed to direct any of the other films. Also, he HASN'T committed to the May 2015 release date. It may be 2016 before Episode VII sees the inside of theaters.
The story-lines for the first three films were excellent, as they were also well written/ I have always enjoyed those the best/ As for the newer films, I did enjoy the first film, I really disliked the second, and the third was alright/ I had a great time watching the first film in theaters when I was little, which IS a reason why I always really enjoyed it a lot, even arriving at Taco Bell and getting the toys of Jar Jar Binks and seeing all the advertisements/ It really reminds me of a decent time in my life/ As a film fan, I do enjoy the old films the most/ As for the 7th film and however many there will be, up till 10 or whatever, all I want IS a well-written story-lines, and Harrison Ford to return/ I really enjoy the story of you guys watching the first film in theaters, that would have been awesome, my mom watched it when it was released in 1977 as well, those were better times then
btw, I bet Disney will do an excellent job with the new films
Quote from: zombiehorror on January 28, 2013, 11:39:09 AM
:o
Man you have got to get out more.....have you seen the prequels?! Talk about lack of soul!? Talk about not understanding the mythos!? Talk about not even the basic knowledge of what made the original trilogy so great in the first place!
Midichlorians...Anyone!?
The Force as an infection was the height of dumb to me.
"May the Herpes Be with You" ::)
"The Mono is strong in this one!""Use the Gonorrhea, Luke!" :o
Then there is Annakin Skywalker--a nine year old piloting a podracer. Kind of like letting your fourth grader drive a Formula 1 Ferrari at the Austin Grand Prix; or an Unlimited-class Mustang at the Reno National Air Races. ::)
BTW, Thanks for the reminder of the Rolling Stone 1977 interview. I found and re-read it--Haven't read it since that issue came out. Lucas did have plans for more than one movie. As I recall, much of the talk at the time was that the studio signed him for only One
Star Wars and when it became such a hit, they greenlighted the sequels.
Maybe J J Abrams can do something to clean up the franchise . . .
I will remain hopeful.
Meanwhile:
http://blogs.amctv.com/movie-blog/2009/08/john-scalzis-gu.php (http://blogs.amctv.com/movie-blog/2009/08/john-scalzis-gu.php)
'Star Wars' and Bad Science In Movies - Science Comedian Brian Malow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYaUIcHMHqE#ws)
Quote from: Fester on January 28, 2013, 11:15:11 PM
Lucas did have plans for more than one movie. As I recall, much of the talk at the time was that the studio signed him for only One Star Wars and when it became such a hit, they greenlighted the sequels.
Very true, from a studio standpoint Star Wars was probably considered a one off/one shot deal but Lucas seemed to have bigger dreams even before the money started rolling in!
But, for their faults, the prequels made sense in light of the first three movies.
Fox had so little confidence in "Star Wars," that when Lucas went over budget, he paid the difference out of his director's fee, as long as Fox gave him the sequel rights and all merchandising rights. Fox only had rights of first refusal on Episodes V & VI. Lucas could have taken Episodes I-III to another studio. And he did take "Star Wars: The Clones Wars" to Warner Bros., as Fox passed on the series. It was only after Cartoon Network picked it up that Lucas decided to do an animated feature.
But, Fox doesn't make a penny on all the "Star Wars" merchandising. Now, that will all go to Disney.
I thought Abrahams did a fine job on "Star Trek" and I've been a fan for nearly fifty years. I enjoyed the original "Star Wars" films very much and thought the prequels were okay. (Although, I admit I hated"The Phantom Meance") I think Abrahams will do a good job. He's a fan and a good filmmaker.
Abrahams might just add a little life and originality (something missing frtom all six Star Wars films).
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I think Jar Jar Abrams is a good choice, and I think it might turn out decent enough. I don't need the films to be great and won't be disappointed if they're not brilliant, because I think the good work has already been done--decades ago. Greatness has already been achieved and it doesn't need to be "forced" again, if you'll pardon the expression.
If the new Star Wars films are reaasonably entertaining, I'll be happy with that. They can even be a little "Goofy" and stupid, I won't mind.
I love most Disney product, maybe growing up watching a lot of it made me into a Disney fan who is less critical, but I trust the brand name, and I really think the film will be satisfactory.
Quote from: Fester on February 02, 2013, 12:04:45 PM
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LOL
"Disney "Star Wars" Spin-Offs Confirmed: Boba Fett & Young Han Solo"
"Now, we know what the first two spin-off flicks will be: a Young Han Solo adventure, depicting the smuggler's origin story and taking place in between Episodes 3 and 4, and a Boba-Fett film, which would take place between 4 and 5 or 5 and 6 (when the guy takes a dive into the sarlacc pit). There is all sorts of source material at play here, with Timothy Zahn's SMUGGLERS an option, the awesome trilogy THE BOUNTY HUNTER WARS, and so much more. We'll see. Let the wild speculation on who they'll nab to play a young Han Solo begin!"
http://famousmonsters.com/disney-star-wars-spin-offs-confirmed/ (http://famousmonsters.com/disney-star-wars-spin-offs-confirmed/)
Disney would have to be completely stupid not to take full advantage of Boba Fett's popularity (Please don't screw this up!!).....and SPOILER ALERT!!
His adventures continue even after taking a dive into Sarlacc's Pit, at least in the comics/novels!!
Quote from: zombiehorror on February 08, 2013, 05:11:02 PM
SPOILER ALERT!!
His adventures continue even after taking a dive into Sarlacc's Pit, at least in the comics/novels!!
Lucas always used to say that the Expanded Universe stuff wasn't canon and, as far as he was concerned, Boba Fett was dead. Period. End of story. Shut up about it already!
Then, there was the great "Republic/Imperial Commandos" book series by Karen Traviss. Once "The Clone Wars" animated series started contradicting things she had established about the Clone Troopers and Jango Fett, she quit the series mid-storyline! (It was rumored she was also supposed to do a Boba Fett novel that "Clone Wars" would've completely negated.) Now, with Disney at the reins, you know they'll be mining that particular fanboy wet dream, big-time. ::)
Quote from: Count_Zirock on February 13, 2013, 02:44:35 PM
Lucas always used to say that the Expanded Universe stuff wasn't canon and, as far as he was concerned, Boba Fett was dead. Period. End of story. Shut up about it already!
As it turns out Lucas isn't in charge anymore and didn't he have full control over the expanded universe stuff to begin with!?
Quote from George Lucas on the Return of the Jedi DVD audio commentary~
"In the case of Boba Fett's death, had I known he was gonna turn into such a popular character, I probably would've made it a little bit more exciting. Boba Fett was just another one of the minions, another one of the bounty hunters and badguys. But, he became such a favorite of everybody's that, for having such a small part, uh he had a very large presence. And now that his history has been told in the first trilogy, y'know, it makes it even more of a misstep that we wouldn't make more out of the event of his defeat,
because most people don't believe he died anyway. I'd contemplated putting in that extra shot in where he climbs out of the hole, but y'know I figure that's . . . it doesn't quite fit, in the end."
Remember you're talking about a man who is a revisionist of his own films to begin with....nothing is set in stone in the original trilogy, Lucas proved that in 1997 with the Special Editions! :D
I may get killed for this....but I never really understood why Boba Fett was such a popular character. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like him. I thought he looked cool, but he really kind of has this "cult" status when he really wasn't that big of a character. Never understood why all of a sudden he was treated as a Han Solo or something like that.
Then again, I'm not as crazy about Star Wars as some people too....
Quote from: DoctorDeath on February 13, 2013, 04:58:00 PM
I may get killed for this....but I never really understood why Boba Fett was such a popular character. I mean, don't get me wrong, I like him. I thought he looked cool, but he really kind of has this "cult" status when he really wasn't that big of a character. Never understood why all of a sudden he was treated as a Han Solo or something like that.
Killed, no.....unless there is a bounty on your head!!
Some of us may recall Boba from his first Star Wars appearance, the Star Wars Holiday Special (1978); There wasn't much to like about that special but the cartoon which introduced Boba stood out for many!
Boba Fetts 1st appearance in Star Wars. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G62NCZZAcps#)
There was also the proposed (or very limited) release of the Boba Fett 3/4 action figure with real firing rocket in 1979......Careful kid, you'll shoot your eye out! Not only was he an action figure but he was an exclusive mail away figure!
(http://www.2-clicks-collectiblefigurines.com/images/image/Rocket%20Firing%20Boba%20Fett.jpg)
I don't know why Lucas tries to downplay Boba Fett or how popular he was even by ROTJ release!? Maybe it is due to the fact that reportedly Boba was to play a larger role in ESB but his role was cut back for various reasons....and we all know that George can't be wrong!
Boba Fett even had a 12" figure released before Empire Strikes Back!
Star Wars Vintage KENNER Commercial - Boba Fett [12 Inch] Figure [Remastered] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CI9sChKemY#)
They kind of set him up to be anticipated by youths everywhere but then barely gave him anything to do but that just added to fans love/interest in his character! Thus why he remains alive in the expanded universe and is given a back story in the prequels and in Clone Wars!
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/61001 (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/61001)
EPISODE VII Will Have Harrison Ford Coming Back As Han Solo!!!
"Well, it was only a matter of time before this news became a bit more concrete, but, according to El Mayimbe over at Latino Review, who has an exceptional batting average when it comes to his scoop accuracy, the deal is done for Harrison Ford to reprise his role as Han Solo in STAR WARS - EPISODE VII.
This was rather inevitable with Ford commenting that he'd be open to a return back around the time the STAR WARS sale to Disney was announced, complete with those plans for three new films being made in the core saga. For a guy who's tried awfully hard to distance himself from the Original Trilogy over the years to come around like that with willing participation, you knew The Mouse and Lucasfilm were going to make sure they locked up the beloved smuggler for whatever story J.J. Abrams will be kicking off in EPISODE VII. Plus, with rumors of a Han Solo origin story being floated around as one of the ideas for a STAR WARS stand-alone, it only makes sense to get the character fresh in people's minds, particularly younger generations of potential STAR WARS fans, who may not be as familiar with Solo."
Not sure how much this will matter?! For me it'll all depend if they can capture the vibe of the original Star Wars trilogy; Also given that a Han Solo prequel/origin is probably going to happen it isn't likely that Harrison Ford will be playing the younger version.....though ILM as long experimented with CGI actor's and the possible use of them?!
Apparently, Lucas just spilled the beans and admiited he was negotiating with Hamill, Fisher, and Ford for a sequel trilogy before the sale to Disney went through. It was one of the last things George was dire fly involved in before turning over the reins to Kathleen Kennedy, and then selling the whole shebang to Disney.
I wonder if 20th-Century Fox still has the right of first refusal on Star Wars films? That was part of their contract with Lucas when he got back the sequel/prequel rights by paying for production cost overruns out of his director's fee. (That's also how he retained licensing rights.) When he made Star Wars: The Clone Wars, even though Fox passed on the series, he had to offer them distribution on the feature. They passed, and The Clone Wars became the first Star Wars movie not released by Fox. (Since Cartoon Network picked up the series, the film was distributed by parent company Warner Bros.)
Ford, Fisher and Hamill are all signed for EPVII, as is JJ Abrahms, reports Deadline Hollywood 3/7/13
Carrie Fisher once said that she would "never ever" return to this role. Mark Hamill said that he was stereotyped and that his career had stalled.
But then again, Spielberg added that he would never make another Raiders of the Lost Ark film after ...the Last Crusade was out, to. I guess that they follow the dollar signs.
I always thought the Talon Karrde character was cool. I love the expanded universe explored in various comic books, novels, video games, etc. Anyone know any great SW comic book series that are a fun read?