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Title: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: emazers on March 08, 2012, 12:41:04 PM
First Look at Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger!
Source: Jerry Bruckheimer
March 8, 2012


Producer Jerry Bruckheimer has revealed the first look at Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger as Tonto and the title character, respectively, via his Twitter account!

Also starring Tom Wilkinson, William Fichtner, Barry Pepper, James Badge Dale, Ruth Wilson and Helena Bonham Carter, the big screen adaptation will be released by Walt Disney Pictures on May 31, 2013.

The Lone Ranger is a thrilling adventure infused with action and humor, in which the famed masked hero is brought to life through new eyes. Native American spirit warrior Tonto (Depp) recounts the untold tales that transformed John Reid (Hammer), a man of the law, into a legend of justice—taking the audience on a runaway train of epic surprises and humorous friction as the two unlikely heroes must learn to work together and fight against greed and corruption.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/wjymq.jpg)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Flower on March 08, 2012, 01:03:29 PM
I'm moore .. err .. more concerned that they get Silver and Scout 'right' ...  ;)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Haunted hearse on March 08, 2012, 01:23:01 PM
I guess that with wings on his head, Depp will be given the power of flight.  That will really make it easier for Tonto to scout on ahead for the Lone ranger.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: RedKing on March 08, 2012, 01:42:49 PM
Wow, just wow. Yet another classic franchise ruined. They look ridiculous.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: The Spangler on March 08, 2012, 01:58:41 PM
I HOPE this is a comedy! Maybe they figured the Green Hornet worked well as a comedy so they'd try the same with his great uncle! (John Reid)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Moonshadow on March 08, 2012, 04:49:29 PM
Actually I kinda like it.

[ducks]
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: FACTO2 on March 08, 2012, 05:04:13 PM
Nice bird hat.   ???
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 08, 2012, 11:08:31 PM
Men, hold your fire - or at least, take a minute to aim better.

This is a real Indian:

(http://kirbysattler.sattlerartprint.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nativeamericanprints200811.jpg)

These are real Texas Rangers:

(http://www.farwest.it/FOTOxSITO/2009/08/texas-rangers.jpg)

So, let me get this straight: folks are upset that the characters here look less like kid's imaginations, and more like the real thing?

-Craig
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Opera Ghost on March 09, 2012, 10:53:34 AM
I get the sense that there is an apparent need  present to lash out at Johnny Depp, but giving credit where credit is due, he is one of the busiest actors working right now, and it is because he is a Box Office Draw. Irregardless of his passion for a project, studios obviously take big gambles on the vision of a Director/Writer/Producer...which is currently in the news regarding "John Carter of Mars"....I've heard several filmmakers iterate their dislike for the vision of this Grand Daddy of Sci-Fi. I'll stop here on this, as I'm sure there is a thread devotes to this.

Back to Depp... Now given that I do not know one way or the other if Depp has any American Indian Blood in him, I have reservations about his playing one, when there are probably many qualified American Indian Actors. Depp however,  is a Box Office draw, and in most cases, does comedy well, in his unique Depp way, IMHO.

Thus far, this project looks more appealing to me, than what I am seeing more of on his/Burton's Barnabas Collins character in DS.

Just my two cents, OG
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: emazers on March 09, 2012, 01:44:30 PM
Armie Hammer Video on the Lone Ranger
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=87890 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=87890)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on March 09, 2012, 02:10:47 PM
Wich2,

Thank you, brother. I wish I could repost your response and pics on every bitchy Talk Back thread regarding the new Lone Ranger and Tonto photo across the Internet.

P.S. Now if only I had something equally eye-opening to say to every kid under 20 years old old that's declaring the movie will bomb because nobody knows who the Lone Ranger is.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 09, 2012, 04:04:31 PM
Thanks, Rod.

Look, I know the track record of most modern reboots is not great. But this pic looks solid to me. If anything, the more-real look reminds me a little of the first-ever pics of the Masked Rider of the Plains:

(http://www.chrisneylon.com/oldtimeradio/images/rsq60-The%20Lone%20Ranger-pic1.jpg)

Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Unknown Primate on March 09, 2012, 04:28:28 PM
The Lone Ranger and Tonto rode the trail.
Catchin' outlaws and puttin' them in jail.
But The Ranger shot ol' Tonto coz it seems
He found out what "kemosabe" means!

Homer & Jethro (1959)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Haunted hearse on March 09, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
Tonto was a Navajo or Apache.  He was educated in the missions, where he learned to speak English.  The get up he's wearing may be authentically native American, but so is an Eskimo Parka.  Maybe if they deal with Tonto rescuing Reid, they can show Reid recuperating in Tonto's long house.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: zombiehorror on March 09, 2012, 05:31:47 PM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on March 09, 2012, 05:09:05 PM
Tonto was a Navajo or Apache.  He was educated in the missions, where he learned to speak English.  The get up he's wearing may be authentically native American, but so is an Eskimo Parka.  Maybe if they deal with Tonto rescuing Reid, they can show Reid recuperating in Tonto's long house.

I'm not sure but according to http://weirdscifi.ratiosemper.com/loneranger/faq.html (http://weirdscifi.ratiosemper.com/loneranger/faq.html) The Lone Ranger frequently asked questions...

What tribe of Indians does Tonto belong to?

Tonto is from the Potowatomie tribe. The Potowatomie Indians were a real tribe who originally lived in and around the state of Michigan (The Lone Ranger originated at WXYZ in Detroit.) According to Lone Ranger lore they were all wiped out except for Tonto who was found and saved by a young John Reid long before he became a Texas Ranger.


And from (http://en.allexperts.com/q/U-S-History-672/2009/10/Potawatomi.htm)

What was Potawatomi clothing like? Did they wear feather headdresses and face paint?

Potawatomi women wore long deerskin dresses. Potawatomi men wore breechcloths, leggings, and deerskin shirts. The Potawatomis wore moccasins on their feet and robes in bad weather. Later, Potawatomi people adapted European costume such as cloth blouses and jackets, decorating them with fancy beadwork and ribbons. 

Traditionally, the Potawatomis didn't wear long headdresses like the Sioux. They usually wore a leather headband with one or two feathers standing straight up in the back. Potawatomi men sometimes wore otter-fur turbans. Both men and women usually wore their hair long, but in times of war, Potawatomi men would shave their heads in the Mohawk style instead. Sometimes they added a porcupine roach to make this hairstyle more impressive. The Potawatomis painted their faces for special occasions. They used different colors and patterns for war paint, religious ceremonies, and festive decoration.

Today, some Potawatomi people still wear moccasins or a beaded shirt, but they wear modern clothes like jeans instead of breechcloths... and they only wear feathers or roaches in their hair on special occasions like a dance.


Of course none of this explains why he has a dead bird on his head?!
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Moonshadow on March 09, 2012, 05:41:04 PM
I thought I read somewhere that this Tonto is a shaman, which would explain his look, I think.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 09, 2012, 05:52:49 PM
>But The Ranger shot ol' Tonto coz it seems
He found out what "kemosabe" means!<

(http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/the-lone-ranger-the-far-side-comic.jpg)

Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Haunted hearse on March 09, 2012, 07:24:18 PM
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 09, 2012, 05:41:04 PM
I thought I read somewhere that this Tonto is a shaman, which would explain his look, I think.
Again Tonto is supposed to be Apachean (which includes the Navajo people).  Which Apachean Shaman would have worn the get up Depp's dressed up in?  I guess next we'll be told Al Jolson's get up in "The Jazz Singer" was based on studying the make up of a traditional Medicineman from the Congo.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Moonshadow on March 09, 2012, 08:08:55 PM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on March 09, 2012, 07:24:18 PM
Again Tonto is supposed to be Apachean (which includes the Navajo people).  Which Apachean Shaman would have worn the get up Depp's dressed up in?  I guess next we'll be told Al Jolson's get up in "The Jazz Singer" was based on studying the make up of a traditional Medicineman from the Congo.

He might not be an Apache in this. It sounds like different sources quote different tribal associations for Tonto. I don't recall him being a shaman either. Everyone knows there will be changes whenever some iconic character or show is revived by Hollywood. That much is a given.

I think the bigger question is, will it respect the source material? I'm a life-long Trekkie, and I had my concerns about JJ Abrams' Star Trek film before it came out. But I saw it, and I liked it. It wasn't my Trek, but it was entertaining and it got people talking about Star Trek again. it also got a whole new generation interested in Trek. As a fan, I could tell that the people involved respected the original show.

If I were a hard core Lone Ranger fan, I'd be more concerned by Depp's comments about how this movie "is very funny...there's a boatload of humor," than by the bird on his head or the lack of the powder-blue suit on the Ranger (that definitely would not work with today's movie goers).
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Opera Ghost on March 09, 2012, 08:48:08 PM
according to Wiki
The radio series identified Tonto as a chief's son in the Potawatomi nation. His name translates as "wild one" in his own language. For the most part, the Potawatomi did not live in the Southwestern states, and their regalia is different from that worn by Tonto.[clarification needed] The choice to make Tonto a Potawatomi seems to come from station owner George Trendle's youth in Mullett Lake, Michigan. Located in the northern part of the Midwest, Michigan is the traditional territory of the Potawatomi, and many local institutions use Potawatomi names. Other sources [6] indicate that Camp Kee Mo Sah Bee belonged to the father-in-law of the show's director, James Jewell. According to author David Rothel, who interviewed Jewell a few months before his death[6] Kee Mo Sah Bee and Tonto were the only two words that Jewell remembered from those days. Tonto's name, according to an NPR news story on the Lone Ranger, was inspired by the name of Tonto Basin, Arizona.,[3] though this source is otherwise unconfirmed.

OG
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: poseablemonster on March 10, 2012, 10:15:38 AM
I think it looks good so far.  I'll watch this one.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 10, 2012, 11:35:17 AM
What he said.

Surely not as disappointing as Supe's new suit...
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: poseablemonster on March 10, 2012, 11:47:33 AM
Indeed, Craig.

I like the look of the characters so far.  This has the potential to be very good.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Sean on March 10, 2012, 12:34:04 PM
I thought all Native Americans looked like this:

(http://s11.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/f/t/fthec8jgs1k38cgt.jpg)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 10, 2012, 01:36:54 PM
They smoked peace-pipe - but they didn't inhale!
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Haunted hearse on March 10, 2012, 03:40:22 PM
Quote from: Wich2 on March 08, 2012, 11:08:31 PM
Men, hold your fire - or at least, take a minute to aim better.

This is a real Indian:

(http://kirbysattler.sattlerartprint.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nativeamericanprints200811.jpg)

-Craig

Wrongo!  This is a real Indian.
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/Baronscrypt666/Lone%20Ranger/india-snake-charmer.jpg)
This is a real Native American playing Tonto.
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/Baronscrypt666/Lone%20Ranger/Picture121.png)
This is a white dude using a lot of makeup to change his racial identity.
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/Baronscrypt666/Lone%20Ranger/thumbnailaspx.jpg)
And this is Johnny Depp as Tonto.
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss267/Baronscrypt666/Lone%20Ranger/wjymq.jpg)
Any questions?
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: AlwaysWitty on March 10, 2012, 06:37:41 PM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on March 10, 2012, 03:40:22 PM
Any questions?
How come no one can tell the difference between an actor playing a cartoonish negative stereotype and an actor who takes his part seriously and wishes to pay respect to that character's culture? I mean, Tyler Perry is black, and he's done more to trash black people than Johnny Depp could do playing a Native American.

Don't get me wrong, there are real Native American actors who could have done just fine in the role, but if I remember right, what made those black-face portrayals so offensive had more to do with the fact that blacks were being turned into live-action cartoon characters, perpetuating racist stereotypes that existed outside of cinema. This is hardly the same thing, if that's your point.

And if you really think about it, Johnny Depp was born in Kentucky, so technically, he is a Native American. :P
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 10, 2012, 07:29:54 PM
>How come no one can tell the difference between an actor playing a cartoonish negative stereotype and an actor who takes his part seriously and wishes to pay respect to that character's culture?<

That's a very good question, BBW. Any answer, nay-sayers? How about an Englishman playing House, is that okay? Or one playing The Melancholy Dane? Do we stop Yankee Downey from playing Holmes?

>This is a real Native American playing Tonto ... Any questions?<

A few, Hh, yes:

Did you know Jay Silverheels' real name was Harold J. Smith - and that he was a Canadian Indian? So, was it alright for him to play a U.S. Indian?

Did you know that Depp has some Cherokee or Creek ancestry?

And what is your honest opinion of this Indian?

(http://www.friedmanarchives.com/Portraits/images/Chief%20Iron%20Eyes%20Cody_1.jpg)

-Craig




Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Haunted hearse on March 10, 2012, 07:44:29 PM
Jar jar Binks was played by a black Comic.  Would his character be less ofensive, if it had been done by a white actor?  Depp's portrayal of Tonto somehow reminds me of the character played by Robert Downey jr. in "Tropic Thunder".

  The whole reason Tonto was created, was for the purpose of the radio show, that the Lone ranger would have somebody to talk to.  By the time Jay Silverheels came on board, the character had been rebooted so that Tonto was an Apache, because the Lone Ranger would have been more likely saved in Texas by a Native American who was from the area, rather then a Native American who came from Michigan.  But Depp is an innovative actor.  Maybe his Tonto can be employed by GM, and was test driving an experimetal Buick sedan in Texas, when he located the injured Reid.  Or better still, set the Lone Ranger's story in Michigan.  If you're going to make changes in the story to be withit, don't stop with minor things like putting dead birds on the sidekick's head.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 10, 2012, 08:21:46 PM
That's all dandy.

But you asked for questions, and didn't answer any of mine. I'm especially interested on your opinion of the last Indian whose pic I posted.

>If you're going to make changes in the story to be withit, don't stop with minor things like putting dead birds on the sidekick's head.<

Now, I'm confused. Your beef seems to be that the project is not respectful enough, or Tonto not "Indian" enough - so how can you be miffed at a more accurate Indian image for the character? (And I think we all know it's VERY unlikely that he looks like that very often in the film; for that matter, I'll wouldn't be surprised if The Ranger drops much of his Texas Ranger suit, as he becomes more Lone...)

And just for the record, I'm pretty well posted on the radio series. I've heard many of them, including pre-Beemer and non-broadcast ones; I've met the long-time announcer (and one time Ranger!), Fred Foy; and I was just at a rehearsal the other day with my friend Elaine Hyman, who appeared on the show.

-Craig
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: AlwaysWitty on March 11, 2012, 07:59:28 AM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on March 10, 2012, 07:44:29 PM
Jar jar Binks was played by a black Comic.  Would his character be less ofensive, if it had been done by a white actor?  Depp's portrayal of Tonto somehow reminds me of the character played by Robert Downey jr. in "Tropic Thunder".

  The whole reason Tonto was created, was for the purpose of the radio show, that the Lone ranger would have somebody to talk to.  By the time Jay Silverheels came on board, the character had been rebooted so that Tonto was an Apache, because the Lone Ranger would have been more likely saved in Texas by a Native American who was from the area, rather then a Native American who came from Michigan.  But Depp is an innovative actor.  Maybe his Tonto can be employed by GM, and was test driving an experimetal Buick sedan in Texas, when he located the injured Reid.  Or better still, set the Lone Ranger's story in Michigan.  If you're going to make changes in the story to be withit, don't stop with minor things like putting dead birds on the sidekick's head.
Jar Jar Binks was offensive because (even though he was some weird amphibious alien) he was a cartoonish racist stereotype, not because of the color of the actor behind that dumb face. Also, the whole point of RDJ's character in Tropic Thunder was to poke fun at Oscar-bait method actors who aren't afraid to go over the top with their roles if it means putting another gold statue somewhere. Again, what made Kirk Lazaraus's portrayal of Lincoln Osiris racist was that it was a cartoonish stereotype, as Alpa Chino frequently pointed out. The irony of his controversial "full retard" bit is that he's criticizing people who over-act so far that they become an offensive stereotype of a group of people (the mentally handicapped) when he himself is doing the exact same thing for another group of people.

As this photo is the only thing anyone has to go by about Tonto's character in this film, or Depp's performance, one thing is clear: they're not going for a racist stereotype. They're looking to a real Native American culture, to real Native American customs and styles of dress, to make up Tonto's appearance here. If he looks silly, that's just culture shock. Like Wich is pointing out, it doesn't make much sense to complain that he's not "Indian" enough when he actually looks like a real Indian here.

By the way, what do you call this?

(http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/f/fu_manchu_karloff.jpg)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Haunted hearse on March 11, 2012, 05:47:28 PM
Quote from: Big Bad Wolf on March 11, 2012, 07:59:28 AM

By the way, what do you call this?

(http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/f/fu_manchu_karloff.jpg)
A look that would make more sense for Tonto, then the getup Depp has chosen.
Call it what you wish, but I think we basically have Depp finding some cool native American look he wants to use, and it really doesn't matter if it's correct for Tonto's character.  Why not simply have Tonto dressed as an Aztec Priest?  They were native American. 
   I can't help think that this film is going to be another "Green Hornet", a dopey white guy with a cool ethnic sidekick, suceeds despite the dopey white guy's bumbling.   Nice outfit on the Lone Ranger.  A heavy broadcloth suit is just the thing to camp out in the wilderness, and deal with a hot and dusty climate.  Today's filmaker's really don't have any interest in making the old fashioned morality stories, that were westerns like the Lone Ranger, unless it's to satirize them.  I've already seen the hatchet job that was done with the Green Hornet, looks to me like this will be more of the same.  If I want to see a funny mockery of the old fashioned western, I'll pop in my DVD copy of Blazing Saddles.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: AlwaysWitty on March 11, 2012, 07:16:06 PM
Quote from: Haunted hearse on March 11, 2012, 05:47:28 PM
A look that would make more sense for Tonto, then the getup Depp has chosen.
Call it what you wish, but I think we basically have Depp finding some cool native American look he wants to use, and it really doesn't matter if it's correct for Tonto's character.  Why not simply have Tonto dressed as an Aztec Priest?  They were native American. 
   I can't help think that this film is going to be another "Green Hornet", a dopey white guy with a cool ethnic sidekick, suceeds despite the dopey white guy's bumbling.   Nice outfit on the Lone Ranger.  A heavy broadcloth suit is just the thing to camp out in the wilderness, and deal with a hot and dusty climate.  Today's filmaker's really don't have any interest in making the old fashioned morality stories, that were westerns like the Lone Ranger, unless it's to satirize them.  I've already seen the hatchet job that was done with the Green Hornet, looks to me like this will be more of the same.  If I want to see a funny mockery of the old fashioned western, I'll pop in my DVD copy of Blazing Saddles.
That's a huge conclusion you're jumping to based on one still image that, visually, treats its subject matter realistically and seriously.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 11, 2012, 09:07:44 PM
>A look that would make more sense for Tonto, then the getup Depp has chosen.<

Do you have inside information confirming that that choice was by Depp, rather than by the writer, director, production designer, or costume designer?

>Why not simply have Tonto dressed as an Aztec Priest?  They were native American.<

That would make about as much sense as putting a 19th century Frenchman in full Lederhosen regalia. They're both European.

>I can't help think that this film is going to be another "Green Hornet", a dopey white guy with a cool ethnic sidekick, suceeds despite the dopey white guy's bumbling.<

I admit, I'm afraid of that, too. But one picture doesn't prove it.

>Nice outfit on the Lone Ranger.  A heavy broadcloth suit is just the thing to camp out in the wilderness, and deal with a hot and dusty climate.<

(And the powder blue spandex that Clay Moore wore was truer?) Did you see the pic I posted earlier of actual Texas Rangers? Have you seen pics from the time of folks like Wild Bill Hickock?

>Today's filmaker's really don't have any interest in making the old fashioned morality stories, that were westerns like the Lone Ranger, unless it's to satirize them.<

Did you see DEADWOOD? Or the remake of 3:10 TO YUMA? Or especially, PURGATORY? Or...

And for the third time: how does this famous guy rank for reality and accuracy with you?

(http://www.ironeyescody.org/poster_200.jpg)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: The Masked Man on March 12, 2012, 12:31:09 PM
After my initial shock of the photo that was released and after I calmed down...I finally came to the conclusion....it don't matter what we think....like it or not this thing is going to happen.  It may be another Green Hornet and they ain't much we can do about.

This is being made for a different age range then we are.....most of the younger people have no idea who the Lone Ranger is....or what he represents....and in my opinion...that is a crying shame.

The Lone Ranger will always stand for what is good, right and fair.  That any one can make a difference....that good will triumph over evil.

This is the Lone Ranger's Creed.

I believe...
·   that to have a friend, a man must be one.
·   that all men are created equal and that everyone has within himself the power to make this a better world.
·   that God put the firewood there, but that every man must gather and light it himself.
·   in being prepared physically, mentally, and morally to fight when necessary for that which is right.
·   that a man should make the most of what equipment he has.
·   that 'this government of the people, by the people, and for the people' shall live always.
·   that men should live by the rule of what is best for the greatest number.
·   that sooner or later...somewhere...somehow...we must settle with the world and make payment for what we have taken.
·   that all things change but truth, and that truth alone, lives on forever.
·   in my Creator, my country, my fellow man.

Some people would think that this is hokey now....and that is a shame as well.

When the series went to color they changed the Ranger's suit to blue....his bandana to red and we all know the good guys wear the white hat.....thcy chose those colors to match the U.S. Flag.

Back in the day when America was something and most citizens  where proud to be an American....I could go on and on about this....but back to the topic at hand....

Yes...the bird is silly for Tonto....and yes the suit is odd....but remember that today's viewers would find the blue one odd as well.....I just hope that they get it to something close.....the Cavalry wore light blue pants and the style shirt the Ranger worn was a skinner type...that is a real shirt worn back then....but this is only the first photo and I hope they change.

But I hate to think that the Ranger will be played as a simpleton to Depp's Tonto...that is not how it should be....they should be equals...
In some  threads people think that the Ranger should be a deserter since he did not report back after the massacre....Those people just don't get it.....

Disney has a golden chance to bring a very positive hero to the attention of young people everywhere today....Do we really need another Punisher or a Drunken Pirate?
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: charp13 on March 12, 2012, 12:38:06 PM
I admit that while I was a child of the 60s/70s, I watched The Lone Ranger but I did not fully understand the serious messages that the program presented.
The Masked Man- Thanks for sharing your knowledge of this wonderful tv show of yesteryear  :)  I had forgotten about The Creed.  I really need to go back and watch the episodes again now that I'm a grown up!
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 12, 2012, 01:22:54 PM
MM, I love The Ranger too - and as I have said, based as much on the PUREST version, the radio series, as any other.

And I understand your fears - but can you REALLY say, based on one little still, that Disney means to dismantle all you listed above?

What if it's not the joke the new GREEN HORNET was, but the decent reboot that the new STAR TREK was?

-Craig
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: The Masked Man on March 12, 2012, 01:59:38 PM
No...sorry I did not mean to say that Disney wants to dismantle all of the above....

I just hope that they don't.....we don't need to have them be goofy or simpletons...either of them.

Depp is a good actor...but most of the roles he has played...Jack Sparrow...Willy Wonka....Ichabod Crane...etc...they have been for the most part for lack of a better words....very odd.

Tonto does not need to be this way.  I under stand that Depp is a major bankable star....but please dial it down a notch with this one Johnny.

I understand the need to update somethings....the suit would not work with most of todays viewers....but they could try to be close....they did not do a bad job in the Legend of the Lone Ranger...it worked and was an updated version.....Remember that the Ranger and Tonto have been around for 78 years.....they have went thru changes....at first Tonto was not around....The Ranger did not have Silver...etc....all the big changes where for the better....but the core values was always the same....

I'm hoping that Disney does not change them.....

In other words...if it ain't broke...don't fix it....
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on March 12, 2012, 02:26:18 PM
I'm optimistic about this project at this time. I'm excited to have the Lone Ranger and Tonto back on the big screen for modern audiences to rediscover, and of course, this may lead some young people back to the source of the subject matter.

The Masked Man, the only thing that worked about "The Legend of the Lone Ranger" was the costume. The film flopped. I found it dull and lifeless, and the only thing I enjoyed about it was seeing the Ranger and Tonto on the big screen in nice, new costumes. The actors chosen for this new film are of a much higher caliber. Johnny Depp is usually at his best when given a challenge. He is wonderful in the first "Pirates of the Caribbean" film, but you can feel his weariness with the role in each consecutive sequel. Depp was born in Kentucky, like myself, and both of us have Native American Heritage in our lineage. Depp has been passionate about getting this project off the ground for several years, and that should translate to an engaged performance.

I don't know that much about Armie Hammer yet, and this is certainly a revisionist version of "The Lone Ranger," but until I hear or see something completely out of whack, I will remain interested in this potentially exciting film.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 12, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
>Depp is a good actor...but most of the roles he has played...Jack Sparrow...Willy Wonka....Ichabod Crane...etc...they have been for the most part for lack of a better words....very odd.<

I can relate to that, MM - The Wife and I have the same fear about a similar actor, Daniel Day Lewis: we hope Speilberg doesn' t let him turn Lincoln into a freakazoid...

Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: The Masked Man on March 12, 2012, 03:40:26 PM
Hmmm....it could be worse...they could throw in some vampires and let Lincoln hunt them.....oh wait... ::)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Fester on March 12, 2012, 04:15:06 PM
Pretty funny stuff.

I work with people who were shocked to find out Hugh Laurie is English!  That is because he is a good actor.  Johnny Depp is also a good actor and I'm sure he will make an interesting Tonto.

Heck, if Ed Ames, a son of Ukranian Jewish immigrants could play an Indian on Daniel Boone, and Lou Diamond Phillips (born in Subic Bay, Philippines) could play an Indian, why not? 

Remember the movie, The Magnificent Seven?  Bernardo O'Higgins a Mexican-Irish gunfighter was played by a son of Lithuanian immigrants; The wanna-be gunfighter Chico, was played by a German.  And the old Mexican man who suggested the villagers hire gunfighters?  His real name? Vladimir Nikolaevich Sokoloff--born in Tsarist Russia.  And did Eli Wallach fail to make a convincing Mexican bad man because he was born in Brooklyn?  Its called acting.

And as regards the "Authentic Indian" Iron Eyes Cody:  here is a news flash for some of you.

Cody was born Espera Oscar de Corti in Kaplan, Louisiana, the son of Antonio de Corti and his wife, Francesca Salpietra, immigrants from Sicily. In some of his earliest credits, he was Tony de Corti. later, Tony Corti, and finally Cody.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Fester on March 12, 2012, 05:01:58 PM
Quote from: Wich2 on March 08, 2012, 11:08:31 PM
Men, hold your fire - or at least, take a minute to aim better.

This is a real Indian:

(http://kirbysattler.sattlerartprint.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/nativeamericanprints200811.jpg)

These are real Texas Rangers:

(http://www.farwest.it/FOTOxSITO/2009/08/texas-rangers.jpg)

So, let me get this straight: folks are upset that the characters here look less like kid's imaginations, and more like the real thing?

-Craig

But the real Texas Rangers could get all duded-up too. . .  El Paso 1896.
(http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3145/txrangers3.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/txrangers3.jpg/)
Armie's suit don't look too far out of place there.  Except it was probably tailored a little better.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Wich2 on March 12, 2012, 06:59:57 PM
>And as regards the "Authentic Indian" Iron Eyes Cody:  here is a news flash for some of you.<

FINALLY someone gets my point! Thanks, Fester.

And yes - The Ranger in the pic with Depp looks VERY much like some of those in the group shot you posted: black clothes, long coat, white hat - all the elements are there.

So - problems still, guys?

-Craig

Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Fester on March 12, 2012, 11:17:43 PM
I'm kind of looking forward to this movie.
Good, bad or mediocre--there aren't enough westerns coming down the pike.

I'll be there to see it. . . As long as Christopher Lloyd doesn't play Butch Cavendish ::)
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Haunted hearse on March 13, 2012, 09:26:21 AM
Quote from: Fester on March 12, 2012, 11:17:43 PM

I'll be there to see it. . . As long as Christopher Lloyd doesn't play Butch Cavendish ::)
Especially if he plays the part with a dead bird on his head.
Title: Re: First Look At Johnny Depp and Armie Hammer in The Lone Ranger
Post by: Opera Ghost on March 13, 2012, 10:14:55 AM


And as regards the "Authentic Indian" Iron Eyes Cody:  here is a news flash for some of you.

Cody was born Espera Oscar de Corti in Kaplan, Louisiana, the son of Antonio de Corti and his wife, Francesca Salpietra, immigrants from Sicily. In some of his earliest credits, he was Tony de Corti. later, Tony Corti, and finally Cody.
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Whoa.....I did not know that!!!!!