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Title: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Psychobabble on December 30, 2011, 09:40:23 AM
So, tomorrow is the 80th anniversary of Paramount's 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde'. I've always wondered why this film hasn't received the attention of Universal monster movies of the same era, so I tried to come to some sort of conclusion in an article I posted on my site, Psychobabble: http://psychobabble200.blogspot.com/2011/12/strange-case-for-dr-jekyll-and-mr-hyde.html (http://psychobabble200.blogspot.com/2011/12/strange-case-for-dr-jekyll-and-mr-hyde.html) .

Any thoughts on this? Do you all think it belongs in the same league as 'Dracula', 'Frankenstein', and the rest?
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Paul L on December 30, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
Quote from: Psychobabble on December 30, 2011, 09:40:23 AM
So, tomorrow is the 80th anniversary of Paramount's 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde'. ....

Any thoughts on this? Do you all think it belongs in the same league as 'Dracula', 'Frankenstein', and the rest?

No question about it--YES!
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Memphremagog on December 30, 2011, 09:48:12 AM
I agree on this completely. This version of Hyde is as iconic as Karloff's Frankenstein Monster, Lugosi's Dracula or Chaney's Wolf Man, to say the least.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: RedKing on December 30, 2011, 01:58:32 PM
Totally in the same league as the early 30s Universals. I really don't know why it is not as well recognized. Maybe because it was hidden away by MGM for so many years and didn't get as much exposure s the Universals?
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Scatter on December 30, 2011, 04:54:54 PM
Absolutely in the same league with the best of Universal's Monsters films. Mike, your blog continues to put out great content. Kudos to you my friend!
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Psychobabble on December 30, 2011, 05:22:37 PM
Thanks, Scatter. Great to hear from you as always.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Psychobabble on December 30, 2011, 05:25:42 PM
...and that's an excellent point, RedKing. I should have mentioned the fact that it was considered lost for a long time after MGM hid all prints of the film to keep it from competing with the inferior Spencer Tracy version.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Elisabeth on December 30, 2011, 09:52:50 PM
ABSOF**KINGLUTELY!  Why do you think James Whale's SHOWBOAT hasn't been released yet?  MGM bought the rights to it in 1936, when the Laemmles were strapped for cash.  It wouldn't surprise me if they pulled the same stunt with DR. JEKYLL & Mr. HYDE.  PARAMOUNT  was having problems as well, and I'm sure Louis B. paid  Zukor a pretty penny.

"E" ededed
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Bonomo on December 31, 2011, 01:06:15 AM
Funny enough I just got a copy of Dr.J and Mr. Hyde for christmas. It is an excellent classic horror movie and easily as good as any of the Universal firsts, Dracula, Frank, Wolfman, etc.. Even if the UM's have gotten more publicity over the years, Dr.J & Mr. H still has one up on them...Frederick March won an Oscar for that bad boy!
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: marsattacks666 on December 31, 2011, 03:03:56 AM
Dr. Jeykll and Mr. Hyde, is an absolutely fantastic film, and should be hailed as a clsssic.
Fredric March's performance as Jeykll/Hype is outstanding. When I first watched the
film, many years ago, I was blown-away by the special effects. Or special-tricks that
deceived the audience. Amazing effects for 1931.

I truely believe, Dr. Jeykll/Hyde still holds up as a classic film. Non Horror fans, that
I have talk to are aware, and love the film. The film may not be as commercially
successful as Frankenstein or Dracula, but, Dr. Jeykll/Hyde is on the same level as any
Universal Horror film.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Count_Zirock on December 31, 2011, 04:19:45 AM
Hey, it did get an Aurora kit, after all, so I don't consider it forgotten or pushed aside at all. The Spencer Tracy version is awful, though. Dan Curtis' made-for-TV version starring Jack Palance out-shines Tracy.

Anyone else remember the ludicrous made-for-TV musical version starring Kirk Douglas that aired on NBC? (I think it beat Broadway's "Jekyll & Hyde" to the punch by 20 years.) Now, that one made the Tracy version look good, by comparison!
(http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/item/177/129/575/VZvEeUUr01rc6cN.jpg)
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Psychobabble on December 31, 2011, 08:21:35 AM
Oof. That Kirk Douglas version looks terrible, Count Zirock, and you're right that the Palance version is good and the Tracy one is awful. His non-stop mumbling in no way conveys Hyde's menace. His performance is a joke compared to March's.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: RICKH on December 31, 2011, 12:46:51 PM
The March version is an absolute classic.  I think it captures the heart of Stevenson's work and is just as important as the Universal classics.  I also love the Curtis/Palance version with Dick Smith makeup.  He based Palance's makeup on the features of an ancient satyr sculpture...genius.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Bonomo on December 31, 2011, 11:50:12 PM
I'm about to watch the commentary track on the Marcj version, I'll keep ya posted.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Rich on January 02, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
My favorite Jekyll and Hyde is the one with John Barrymore. I think it is THAT one that is in league with the Universal Monsters.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Sean on January 02, 2012, 02:44:49 PM
The Frederic March version (1932) is a GREAT film.  A classic.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Cinematorium on January 02, 2012, 03:26:01 PM
It is for an obvious reason that this film is placed on the same shelf as those of Universal in my collection. The directing of Rouben Mamoulian on this version of the story is so accurate. Inventive and effective techniques are used in a very convincing way. More than the classical opposition between good and evil, the point here is centered on the sexual frustration of Dr.Jekyll. Undeniably, Mamoulian manages to bring in his Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde a force that the other versions simply don't have. Clearly, an underrated chef-d'œuvre of cinema.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: The Invisible Woman on January 02, 2012, 09:04:48 PM
Quote from: Rich on January 02, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
My favorite Jekyll and Hyde is the one with John Barrymore. I think it is THAT one that is in league with the Universal Monsters.

I totally agree, Rich. The John Barrymore version is fantastic! It is my favorite version of DJ&MH.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: marsattacks666 on January 06, 2012, 05:08:56 AM
Quote from: The Invisible Woman on January 02, 2012, 09:04:48 PM
I totally agree, Rich. The John Barrymore version is fantastic! It is my favorite version of DJ&MH.


Its a good film. But, Fredric March's performance, much more outstanding.  ;D
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: The Janitor on January 08, 2012, 08:16:35 AM
The Mamoulian version is probably in a category of its own. But the beauty of all this is when there's so much version of a story, it shows how deep and essential that story is.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Oudler on January 08, 2012, 11:50:47 PM
I have this alternative history fantasy in which Universal actually did a film based on Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde and Claude Rains played the title role. This thought occurred to me after watching The Wolf-Man and The Invisible Man back to back. As Larry Talbot's father in The Wolf-Man, Rains plays a Jekyll like role and as the Invisible Man he's like Mr. Hyde!.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Evermonster on August 30, 2013, 06:23:16 AM
Strictly on a technical level, I think Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is superior to the Universal films. Mamoulian has built a very precise language and a way to tell a story quite unique. There are so many little details that go unnoticed and are skillfully inserted throughout this masterpiece.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: marsattacks666 on August 30, 2013, 05:58:01 PM
Quote from: Memphremagog on December 30, 2011, 09:48:12 AM
I agree on this completely. This version of Hyde is as iconic as Karloff's Frankenstein Monster, Lugosi's Dracula or Chaney's Wolf Man, to say the least.



Most definitely. :D
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Dr. Jitters on August 30, 2013, 06:21:13 PM
Quote from: Evermonster on August 30, 2013, 06:23:16 AM
Strictly on a technical level, I think Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is superior to the Universal films. Mamoulian has built a very precise language and a way to tell a story quite unique. There are so many little details that go unnoticed and are skillfully inserted throughout this masterpiece.

To a degree, but I would put James Whale's work next to Mamoulian's.  There are a handful of classic horror movies that are so great they transcend the genre and are simply great movies: Frankenstein, Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde, Island of Lost Souls, Invisible Man, King Kong...
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Dr. Madd on August 30, 2013, 08:32:53 PM
Jekyll and Hyde- An honorary Universal Monster, alongside Legendre, the Graveyard Zombie from Night of the Living Dead
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Evermonster on August 31, 2013, 07:56:30 AM
Quote from: Dr. Jitters on August 30, 2013, 06:21:13 PM
To a degree, but I would put James Whale's work next to Mamoulian's.  There are a handful of classic horror movies that are so great they transcend the genre and are simply great movies: Frankenstein, Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde, Island of Lost Souls, Invisible Man, King Kong...

I couldn't agree more. What caught my attention in Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde is the use of the camera as a kind of extension of his own hands and almost as an additional character. It was something new for me.

James Whale is a filmmaker who focuses on movement. His frameworks are always dynamic and he describes the action in a modern and ingenious way.

Whales,  Mamoulian...they are all accomplished masters.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Rich on September 01, 2013, 11:29:02 AM
Quote from: Bonomo on December 31, 2011, 01:06:15 AM
Funny enough I just got a copy of Dr.J and Mr. Hyde for christmas. It is an excellent classic horror movie and easily as good as any of the Universal firsts, Dracula, Frank, Wolfman, etc.. Even if the UM's have gotten more publicity over the years, Dr.J & Mr. H still has one up on them...Frederick March won an Oscar for that bad boy!

The 1943 version of Phantom of the Opera was nominated for four Academy Awards. It won two of them; Art Direction and Cinematography. There is no doubt that it is probably due to the film being shot in color. But I think two Academy Awards cancels out one Oscar and over defeats it. :) The Universal Monsters are untouchable.

I did like March's J&H film though. You know what though? When it comes to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, I think the best version ever filmed was the silent version staring John Barrymore. The 1932 version is definitely the best version with sound though.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Mord on September 01, 2013, 02:05:53 PM
Yeah, but best actor s art direction and cinematography any day. Besides, the 1943 Phantom barely qualifies as a horror film. It's more of a lavish musical with the Phantom as a sideshow.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Bonomo on September 05, 2013, 06:03:26 PM
Quote from: Mord on September 01, 2013, 02:05:53 PM
Yeah, but best actor s art direction and cinematography any day. Besides, the 1943 Phantom barely qualifies as a horror film. It's more of a lavish musical with the Phantom as a sideshow.

word.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: ChrisW on September 05, 2013, 07:45:51 PM
When I finally saw the whole film - probably in the 1990s - I saw surprised by the overt sexuality. Obviously a pre-code film...

and it is a favorite, definitely on par with the Universal films.

Very insightful article. I'm glad this thread was dredged up from the depths.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: BryanBaugh on September 19, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
Quote from: Evermonster on August 30, 2013, 06:23:16 AM
Strictly on a technical level, I think Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is superior to the Universal films. Mamoulian has built a very precise language and a way to tell a story quite unique. There are so many little details that go unnoticed and are skillfully inserted throughout this masterpiece.


Much as I love and adore the classic Universal monster movies, I must agree with the above statement. There are Universal films that might be nearer and dearer to my heart than Paramount's Jekyll and Hyde. But I can't deny that, speaking strictly in terms of artistry and overall technical quality, this movie is a supreme piece of work, right up there with James Whale's Bride of Frankenstein.

Fredric March's performance in both rolls - Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde - is every bit as iconic as Lugosi's Dracula, Karloff's Monster, Chaney Jr's Larry Talbot/ Wolfman... I have often thought that Universal should just buy this movie from Paramount and include it in every future Universal Monsters re-release. It would fit right in!
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: BryanBaugh on September 19, 2013, 06:24:44 PM
(http://i431.photobucket.com/albums/qq39/BryanBaugh1/dr__jekyll_and_mr__hyde_by_bryanbaugh-d5ab8m6_zps29528ee6.jpg) (http://s431.photobucket.com/user/BryanBaugh1/media/dr__jekyll_and_mr__hyde_by_bryanbaugh-d5ab8m6_zps29528ee6.jpg.html)

Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Mike Scott on September 19, 2013, 08:22:33 PM
Quote from: BryanBaugh on September 19, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
I have often thought that Universal should just buy this movie from Paramount and include it in every future Universal Monsters re-release.

Universal does own almost all the Paramount movies from the '30s and '40s except "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde". It was bought by MGM when they wanted to do the '41 remake. WB now owns (or, at least distributes) all the MGM stuff, including the '32 J&H.

Great J&H art! Love it!!
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: BryanBaugh on September 21, 2013, 03:03:27 PM
Quote from: Mike Scott on September 19, 2013, 08:22:33 PM

Great J&H art! Love it!!


Thanks! I am better at expressing my appreciation for things through my drawings rather than my words.
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: jimm on September 21, 2013, 03:22:50 PM
Odd that I don't have this in my library of film. I must take corrective action....
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Bonomo on September 21, 2013, 06:24:17 PM
Quote from: jimm on September 21, 2013, 03:22:50 PM
Odd that I don't have this in my library of film. I must take corrective action....
The double bill March/Tracy version is actually pretty good, includes commentary tracks
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: BryanBaugh on September 21, 2013, 06:33:45 PM
Quote from: Bonomo on September 21, 2013, 06:24:17 PM
The double bill March/Tracy version is actually pretty good, includes commentary tracks


Yeah that is a top notch classic horror DVD in my opinion. The commentary track on the 32 March version is excellent. Greg Mank does it and he points out all sorts of interesting details - Mamoulian's use of statues to symbolically comment on the action in the scene - among other things.
Title: djmh
Post by: jimm on September 21, 2013, 07:41:21 PM
We'll, I have seen the Tracy on disc, that's how organized the DVD are, I may have the double :)
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: LP_Quagmire on September 25, 2013, 12:37:53 AM
Quote from: Memphremagog on December 30, 2011, 09:48:12 AM
I agree on this completely. This version of Hyde is as iconic as Karloff's Frankenstein Monster, Lugosi's Dracula or Chaney's Wolf Man, to say the least.

Absolutely, and unlike Lugosi's DRACULA, March's monstrous MR. HYDE feels shockingly contemporary.   
Title: Re: 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' vs. the Universal Monsters
Post by: Earth 2 Chris on September 30, 2013, 07:44:31 PM
I DVRed this film off of TCM a while back. What a great, GREAT film. It definitely stands tall with Universal's finest!!!

Chris