Don't forget. Starts tonight.
Walking Dead and Dexter... Sunday's are cool again. :)
Most definitely! Counting the hours to Walking Dead!
....Can hardly wait....doubt I'll make it though....so tired!
Tor
Been looking forward to it since the last season ended!
BK
I was looking forward to this and found out the Bears/Vikings game is at the same time. Don't have a DVDR. Guess I'll miss some of the Bears game.
Can't wait! :) Been watching the season 1 Marathon ..
Super excited! Season II, DV-R'd
Awesome episode! I was mad it wasn't two hours!
I guess I'm in the minority here, but I'm not really a fan of The Walking Dead. I admire the technical amd make-up aspects of the show, but in the shows I've seen there seems to be kind of an ugly under-current I find hard to watch. Maybe I just haven't seen enough to judge it fairly. :(
I like the fact it's a story about the people trying to survive a zombie outbreak- there lives had issues before the epidemic, so for me it adds realism.
I really liked last night's episode. Horrific ending. This show goes for the throat in a fresh and tense manner and that is one of the reasons I keep watching.
The Walking Dead, is a t.v. show that Horror fans and enthusiasts have needed for a very long time.
Not only does the series showcase top-notch special effects, but, there is a plausible story. Anything
IS possible. The CDC, is one of most scariest forces around.
Maybe I'm in the minority but does this show kinda maybe seem a bit like LOST with Zombies?
I think this season will definitely be better than last season.
Quote from: Wicked Lester on October 17, 2011, 07:11:33 PMMaybe I'm in the minority but does this show kinda maybe seem a bit like LOST with Zombies?
That could be the case and I'll take it a step further...
Tera Nova is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Dinos.
Falling Skies is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Aliens.
I enjoyed the first episode. First 30 minutes were great. Ending was a complete surprise. All the zombie scenes were fantastic.
Where the show kinda drops it for me is the drama. To me (and this is probably just me) those scenes come across kinda soap opera-ish. Just kinda hard to buy everyone's so self absorbed with their own petty problems when they're TRYING NOT TO GET EATEN. :)
Quote from: Wicked Lester on October 17, 2011, 07:11:33 PM
Maybe I'm in the minority but does this show kinda maybe seem a bit like LOST with Zombies?
Never watched Lost but since The Walking Dead is pretty much like Night of the Living Dead (as well as just about every other zombie flick) which was a take off of I Am Legend then wouldn't Lost just be Night of the Living Dead with humans?!?
The Second Season premire was awesome. I've have watched the show since the first episode aired, and watched every episode ever since. And i think this is going to be better than the first. Hopefully with the popularity of the show, there will be more horror shows. It shows that people want more horror on tv.
Great season premier! Favorite part was when they were stuck on the highway and the zombies came from nowhere. Stuck hiding under the cars while hundreds of zombies scooted past. Frightening!!
Wife and I both watch it. Love It!! Funny, seen that FOX is trying to get ZombieLand Tv Show. Everyone wants to get in on this. >:D
You have to wonder how much longer this show will be on the air since it appears that AMC is already trying to sabotage it internally.
Quote from: twilitezoner on October 19, 2011, 08:22:01 AM
You have to wonder how much longer this show will be on the air since it appears that AMC is already trying to sabotage it internally.
Specifically...?
Slashing the per episode budget and firing Frank Darabount after he resisted AMC's cost cutting measures.
Considering the ratings for the season 2 premier were the highest for a basic cable drama in the history of television... I think AMC is probably pretty happy with the show about now, I can see it sticking around for a while. I can't see this show being compared to Lost though. What bothered me about Lost is how it got X-Files syndrome, where it started off awesome but after the first season or 2 (okay, so accelerated X-File syndrome, X-Files was awesome up til like season 7) it got so confusing and every time they answered some questions they brought up new ones, it just got frustrating to watch and I didn't care one bit for any person on that damn Island. Walking Dead is a much more straight forward story, it about a group of people trying to survive a zombie apocalypse. I also like the human drama elements to it, thy are usually pertinent to the main story, while keeping it interesting and realistic, even Zombieland had it human drama elements, I think thats important in a zombie film, or any horror film for that matter. It's why I normally don't like most modern horror stuff, it's purely hack and slash with no really story or human interest. All the classics had that element, I think that's why this show is so successful.
I just don't want AMC to get cheap with the effects that's all. That's usually a bad sign regardless of ratings.
These types of shows always run in cycles. I just hope that when True Blood (getting long in the tooth) goes off the air AMC will not view that as the public is getting tired of the horror genre.
Quote from: FACTO2 on October 18, 2011, 01:02:51 PM
I enjoyed the first episode. First 30 minutes were great. Ending was a complete surprise. All the zombie scenes were fantastic.
Where the show kinda drops it for me is the drama. To me (and this is probably just me) those scenes come across kinda soap opera-ish. Just kinda hard to buy everyone's so self absorbed with their own petty problems when they're TRYING NOT TO GET EATEN. :)
You're not alone. Television is a copycat business. People think that folks who like zombies will like 'Real Housewives of Whatever' as long as there are zombies in it. WRONG! I hate the dopy, trivial drama that is the backbone of every fake 'reality' TV show out there-----that's why I don't watch them. I couldn't care LESS about the personal details of unlikeable peoples' lives. Real Housewives... Jersey Shore... blah, blah, blah...
And honestly, if you've ever been through a life-altering situation------------you KNOW that you did NOT give a FRIG about the little, nonsense, BS things that rule the day's thoughts when your mind has nothing better to do---------------and these people are under constant attack from zombies!! They have to secure food and shelter, etc. Re-hashing petty things that happened BEFORE THE APOCALYPSE isn't happening.
The 'lives' the characters HAD before everyone started dying, then coming back and eating the flesh of the living-------are OVER. Everything goes into the survival effort.
NOW.... there may be drama-----because people react to crisis differently. Some become sharper/ more focused while others panic and melt. Some people----as a direct result of the crisis do not behave like themselves. They may do despicable things that they normally wouldn't do because they're panicking/ they're desperate.... I was watching the Tom Cruise version of War of the Worlds. He and the kids had awful relationships-------but once it was apparent that they were in a new world where they have to survive against monsterous alien tripods, the kids weren't whining about daddy not taking them to the ballgame 4 years ago and daddy wasn't spending every minute with them talking the mother/ ex-wife down to the kids. They were too busy with trying not to get MELTED!!! Likewise, 1 man pulled a gun on Cruise who probably never pulled a gun on anyone. Cruise killed Tim Robbins because Robbins was going to get Cruise's daughter killed. Another man shot the guy who stole Cruise's car (that Cruise stole 1st), so HE could take it. THAT kind of drama, YES. Harping on past infidelities would NOT be brought up UNTIL the world was restored to it's former order. Or non-survival related stuff like that. I didn't see the 2nd season opener. I remember some unlikely drama from the 1st season... might have been marital issues... but that stuff ISN'T an issue when zombies are trying to eat you.
The rules and concerns are different.
If this show lasts for say 4-5 seasons or longer it will be very interesting to see how closely they follow the comics arc because as you can imagine they all don't have happy endings.
Quote from: twilitezoner on October 19, 2011, 01:11:27 PM
If this show lasts for say 4-5 seasons or longer it will be very interesting to see how closely they follow the comics arc because as you can imagine they all don't have happy endings.
That will be very difficult, and require some excellent writing to continue that long. Apart from the personal storylines about how this group of people reacts to a world of zombies, is the bigger picture about what is happening to the world at large. If this is a world-wide phenomena, the writers will eventually have to choose an "ending"...humans kill all the zombies and re-start civilization? ...zombies kill all the humans and "life" on earth ends?...zombies and humans stake out territories and have endless border skirmishes?. If the zombie attacks are only happening in the southern U.S., do other countries take advantage of this? Lots of potential geo-political stuff to consider when zombies are on the loose!
Quote from: Pauspy on October 19, 2011, 03:25:35 PM
That will be very difficult, and require some excellent writing to continue that long. Apart from the personal storylines about how this group of people reacts to a world of zombies, is the bigger picture about what is happening to the world at large. If this is a world-wide phenomena, the writers will eventually have to choose an "ending"...humans kill all the zombies and re-start civilization? ...zombies kill all the humans and "life" on earth ends?...zombies and humans stake out territories and have endless border skirmishes?. If the zombie attacks are only happening in the southern U.S., do other countries take advantage of this? Lots of potential geo-political stuff to consider when zombies are on the loose!
Considering that the comic series its based on is already 89 issues long and counting, there is a second series now called Walking Dead weekly which comes out once a week and has been going on for quite a while now, and now a series called Walking Dead Rise of The Governor and a new video game in the works, I don't think lack of writing or story will be the issue.
Quote from: creaturerevenge on October 19, 2011, 04:29:24 PM
Considering that the comic series its based on is already 89 issues long and counting, there is a second series now called Walking Dead weekly which comes out once a week and has been going on for quite a while now, and now a series called Walking Dead Rise of The Governor and a new video game in the works, I don't think lack of writing or story will be the issue.
Didn't know about the other projects. Is there a walking dead cookbook in the works? ;)
One could only hope! The first wave of action figures just hit store shelves too. This first batch is done by McFarlane and are based on the comic book, they have a cartoonier design to them but are still pretty nice. I picked up a black and white Rick Grime and the Roamer Zombie with head exploding action the other night! The next wave should be out in the next few weeks and it is based on the show. Those figures look gorgeous! I hope they live up to the photos I've seen of them so far.
Quote from: creaturerevenge on October 19, 2011, 04:39:42 PM
One could only hope! The first wave of action figures just hit store shelves too. This first batch is done by McFarlane and are based on the comic book, they have a cartoonier design to them but are still pretty nice. I picked up a black and white Rick Grime and the Roamer Zombie with head exploding action the other night! The next wave should be out in the next few weeks and it is based on the show. Those figures look gorgeous! I hope they live up to the photos I've seen of them so far.
I really like the black and white figures for any line. I'll have to check those out.
The Rick Grime black and white figure is a variant in some shipments, I found him at Toys R Us. Then over at Amok Time online they have a Previews Exclusive 2 pack of both zombie figures in the line in black and white.
:) The Wlaken Dead (yes, that's Walken).
The Walken Dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giAQuLntqXY#ws)
Quote from: creaturerevenge on October 19, 2011, 05:03:49 PM
The Rick Grime black and white figure is a variant in some shipments, I found him at Toys R Us. Then over at Amok Time online they have a Previews Exclusive 2 pack of both zombie figures in the line in black and white.
Thanks. I'll check them out this weekend.
HA!!! ;D ;D ;D John, that was awesome!!
Got back from my trip and watched the first episode last night. The sequence on the highway with the zombie horde was suspenseful and well done, but overall I felt this episode was very slow, without a whole lot really happening. Too much filler. As a wise woman once asked, "Where's the beef?"
I think things are going to pick up this season with them finding other survivors.
Did they compile the comic series into a hardcover or paperback so I could read the series?
Here's a link to issues 1 - 48.
http://www.amazon.com/Walking-Dead-Compendium-One/dp/1607060760/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319126730&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Walking-Dead-Compendium-One/dp/1607060760/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1319126730&sr=1-1)
Well, it's about time..Walking Dead has finally been recognized on a prestigious magazine cover!
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/Gasport2000/WALKINGDEADMADCOVER.jpg)
Quote from: Sean on October 19, 2011, 12:55:46 PM
I didn't see the 2nd season opener. I remember some unlikely drama from the 1st season... might have been marital issues... but that stuff ISN'T an issue when zombies are trying to eat you.
The rules and concerns are different.
I watched the 2nd season opener last night. I DO like the series, I enjoyed the show, the ending is a good hook-------------but yeah, some of the behavior is dramatic. The behavior of the mother of Carl. Lady. We're in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. Save the lectures for some REAL down time.
Quote from: Gasport on October 21, 2011, 09:55:03 PM
Well, it's about time..Walking Dead has finally been recognized on a prestigious magazine cover!
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/Gasport2000/WALKINGDEADMADCOVER.jpg)
Awesome, simply, awesome!
Renewed for a third season, and budget cut by yet another 40%. Way to treat your golden goose, AMC.
I thought the 2nd episode was "ok". It was a bit slow and drawn out being more melodramatic and focusing on the kids gun shot. The ending was stupid and not thought out, Hmm we occupy the zombies time INTO the trailer with flares that did not last very long. Now we are running with bottles that "clank". What could we have done smarter?
1. See if the police cars have keys in them. If so start them up and set off the sirens. A major distraction. I2. f not save a couple flares for the way out...OOOR 3.take your rifle and hit the gas tank of vehicle of your choice exploding it and keeping the zombies mesmerized etc etc. Why did these guys quiver right inside the gated doorway? I would have been running to the back of the school right off the bat looking for another exit. DOH! ???
Yeah, I felt this episode was fairly underwhelming as well. No escape plan for the trailer? Dumb. And each episode is so slow, dragging everything out. If and when they finally find Sophia, who will care?
Quote from: Moonshadow on October 25, 2011, 09:18:01 PM
Yeah, I felt this episode was fairly underwhelming as well. No escape plan for the trailer? Dumb. And each episode is so slow, dragging everything out. If and when they finally find Sophia, who will care?
Will there be a stupid twist to this? After wasting all our time on finding the kid I think the best thing is we see her in a night shot lumbering out of the forest a little zombie girl while everyone else is asleep and chews mommy dear to shreds then has open gun fire on her evil ass making everyone else that much more paranoid. Hmm Hmm. :-\
Quote from: Wicked Lester on October 25, 2011, 10:20:29 PM
Will there be a stupid twist to this? After wasting all our time on finding the kid I think the best thing is we see her in a night shot lumbering out of the forest a little zombie girl while everyone else is asleep and chews mommy dear to shreds then has open gun fire on her evil ass making everyone else that much more paranoid. Hmm Hmm. :-\
We were just discussing this very thing here in the office. I do wish the shows had a faster pace to them. These are filmed not far from where I live.
Quote from: twilitezoner on October 26, 2011, 07:32:28 AM
We were just discussing this very thing here in the office. I do wish the shows had a faster pace to them. These are filmed not far from where I live.
Then maybe you could do us all a favor and do a quickie zombie make up job ,lumber up to the director and scream "
SPEED THINGS UP JUNIOR , WE ARE F"N BORED!! Zombie Censored
LOL. Hey, I'll give it a try. They're filming this week as a matter of fact.
Monster show's have most always
been tuned more for the male viewers not allway's though i.e Dark shadows
But nowdays shows have been arranged to appeal to everybody!!
They have put soap opera,daytime television,lifetime type drama, and everything else
into these shows till they are nothing but hint of what they could have been.
a beautiful seed covered in crap.
I've seen this happen to alot of shows.
BOGGED DOWN WITH SO MUCH DIALOG !!
Small Snippets of action
THEN BACK TO THE DRAMA petty squables,love intrests,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH !!!!!!
BRING BACK WHAT THE MALES FIRST LIKED ABOUT HORROR
BRING BACK THE SCARE
BRING BACK THE NON-STOP ACTION
THE RELENTLESS HORRIBLE MONSTERS
THE THINGS THAT MADE THE FEMALES WANT TO PUT THERE HANDS OVER THEIR EYES FROM FRIGHT !!!!! REMEMBER ????
If they don't do this the genre will be lost
I don't mean to sound sexist about this
but that's the way horror movies work I think
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I take it not many of you watching the show have read the book?...lol...If you don't like the show now...stop watching. The zombies are nothing more than a backdrop in the book. The focus is solely on the characters and their stories. Yes, the zombies are around and do cause some havok, but even the main violence and death is human to human. This is a show about the survivors, not the zombies.
Robert Kirkman's comic series is currently at 90 issues. 90 issues for a black & white "zombie" comic book is unheard of in the comics industry. The reason the comic has lasted this long, and won several awards, is because the characters drive the story. No one is safe in the book, including Rick, and there's been more than one time I've been very upset over events in the book. But that's what keeps me reading, it's truly great stuff.
I see the show attempting to do the same thing, which to me, is exactly how I want the show. If your watching hoping the show is going to turn into a "zombie fest" every episode, walk away now. If, on the other hand, you like great character driven drama with a horror backdrop, keep watching! There are surprises and SHOCKERS heading your way. ;)
I'm familiar with the comics and yes there are some shockers ahead if they follow the comics closely. You have to remember that comic pacing doesn't always transfer well to TV or movies for that matter.
This show is meant for the masses not necessarily the people who read the comics. Take the Nolan Batman films as an example.
I see what your saying, and do agree. Keep in mind though that the Season 2 premiere had the highest ratings yet for the show and caused AMC to green light Season 3, so....they appear to be doing something right!
And, just on a personal note, I don't find anything wrong with the pacing of the show. I'd be willing to admit that the reason for that might be because I read the book and am used to it. I can, and do, understand how someone who hasn't read the book might feel the show moves at a slow pace. I still hold firm though to my thought that if people stick with it the payoff will be worth it. ;)
Quote from: GillmanLives on October 28, 2011, 07:47:19 AM
I see what your saying, and do agree. Keep in mind though that the Season 2 premiere had the highest ratings yet for the show and caused AMC to green light Season 3, so....they appear to be doing something right!
And, just on a personal note, I don't find anything wrong with the pacing of the show. I'd be willing to admit that the reason for that might be because I read the book and am used to it. I can, and do, understand how someone who hasn't read the book might feel the show moves at a slow pace. I still hold firm though to my thought that if people stick with it the payoff will be worth it. ;)
I've read every issue of the comic but I still find the pacing of the show to be incredibly slow. I've enjoyed the comics but they do suffer from decompression syndrome as well. However I have no problem with what others have labeled 'soap opera' elements because the story is really about how people react or change when faced with dire circumstances. But I think we could have a little more progress each episode.
Well ,after reading the last few posts I guess my surmising that this is really nothing but LOST with zombies sounds about right. If things don't pick up and the stupidity of some of the plot fade away I'll just go and buy the first season and be happy with that.
On a side note I thought it was a nice dark humor move to gut the one zombie "just to make SURE" the girl was not eaten.
I thought that was a pretty cool call back to Jaws.
I like the show a lot and so far the slow pacing hasn't bothered me too much. However, there is the danger of the show becoming like Heroes where people just lose interest because everything is drawn out.
10/30/11 episode. Damn!!! I didn't like Shane last season but I really hate him now. >:( Time for him to get his. >:D
I think Shane wanted to give up and become zombie food, but Otis urged him on, that;s why he pounded the ground, he knew what he had to do if the boy was to survive.
Just not really liking what I'm seeing so far this year. I don't watch many TV shows, and loved this one last year, but I'm getting close to giving up on it.
As far as the premiere having huge ratings, it was eagerly anticipated, but if it fails to deliver and the ratings fall off, that doesn't mean they are doing something right. Check the ratings after the 6th or 7th episode this season. Then check them again after the 12th. We'll see if they are doing it right. Maybe it will turn around and get better.
I liked this episode a bit more than the last two but it still felt repetitive - let's give Carl a blood transfusion; let's go look for Sophia; let's deal with the zombies at the school. Same thing we had last week. However there seems to be some possibilities with the expanded cast. I guess one positive is, they've diverged so much from the comics, I really can't tell where things will go next.
And now we see the result of Frank Darabont getting kicked to the curb as show runner. AMC, "Money matters more than story, here."
I think Shane is one the most selfish person(s) on the series. Definitely a jerk, for
what he did to that man(Otis). Plus I just blown away with Carl situation.
Shane's a survivor. What he did to Otis was horrible, no doubt, but it demonstrates he will do whatever he needs to to make it out alive. Was he motivated by the desire to save Carl? I'm sure that was a part of it, but I think in the main Shane is about Shane. This is what makes he and Rick so different; Rick's always thinking about how to save everyone -at least at this point he is. The thing is, Rick thinks Shane is just like him. It should be interesting to see how he reacts when he figures out that's not true.
I see a lot of parallels between Walking Dead and Lost as well, which is why I like Walking Dead so much. The issue with Lost was it was written from the beginning to last four seasons. The writers wrote the story from start to finish, sectioned each story line into about 100 pieces and formed a puzzle that wouldn't be fully solved until the last episode. The problem was the ratings were so high after season 2 that ABC wanted at least two more years, which meant more episodes that had never been part of the original story had to be thought up. That's why the show went to Hell starting in season 3 as some storylines were original and many were filler.
What I'm liking about Walking Dead is the writers are following the same formula, i.e., not telling a constant, linear, story and instead making the story disjointed. Like with Lost, you see a lot of scenes that seem like they are slow and dragging, but you find out later what you thought were throwaway scenes are actually very important later on. My guess is a lot of you who are saying the shows are slow or underfunded now will be saying "wow!" in a few weeks when you find out what all those slow scenes really meant. :)
The Carl still recovering/ Sophie still lost things are getting stale. The lady with the pregnancy kit needs to be thrown in a well. Nothing but drama. Not good for the survival of a group.
Quote from: Bruzilla on November 13, 2011, 12:30:50 AMWhat I'm liking about Walking Dead is the writers are following the same formula, i.e., not telling a constant, linear, story and instead making the story disjointed. Like with Lost, you see a lot of scenes that seem like they are slow and dragging, but you find out later what you thought were throwaway scenes are actually very important later on. My guess is a lot of you who are saying the shows are slow or underfunded now will be saying "wow!" in a few weeks when you find out what all those slow scenes really meant. :)
I watched Lost too. I never felt it was slow and dragging, but I agree that it was purposefully non-linear, and for the most part, that worked.
I don't think that's what's happening with Walking Dead. Sure, as a continuing drama, things that happen will be built upon. For example, the item Lori got from the pharmacy (trying to avoid spoilers here) will clearly have repercussions for the characters. But my complaint with the show is dragging scenes out or covering the same ground over and over again, without any progress. It feels like padding, like filler. The whole plot with Sophia for instance - they are sapping the drama from it. Whatever her fate turns out to be, by the time we see it, it will almost definitely be a letdown. I seriously doubt I'll be saying 'wow' about it when that is resolved. I think what I will 'find out' is that they were padding out scenes to put enough episodes together for a season. I'm not trying to be snarky here -I just don't think there is any meaning behind these long, drawn out, repetitive scenes.
I'm glad you are enjoying the show, and I'm still interested enough to keep watching for a bit longer. But they need to have a little more substance to each episode or I will probably wind up passing on it.
I'm not gonna pick the show apart, I only enjoy a couple and this is one of them. Hell on Wheels is pretty good also!
Quote from: Moonshadow on November 13, 2011, 08:27:20 PM
I watched Lost too. I never felt it was slow and dragging, but I agree that it was purposefully non-linear, and for the most part, that worked.
I don't think that's what's happening with Walking Dead. Sure, as a continuing drama, things that happen will be built upon.
If you go back to Lost season 1 and 2... back when it was good... remember the Jin and Sun storyline. First you thought Jin was a bad guy because he went out and beat up some other guy. Then later on you see more of the story and find out the reason he did it was because Sun's father forced him to do it. Then later on you find out that the dog you at first thought he took from the guy was actually a gift from the guy thanking him for not beating him up. That's the same way Walking Dead is being staged. First you think Lori and Shane are both low-lifes and had been having an affair, then you find out Lori thought Rick was dead and Shane had abandoned his friend and lied to Lori and just Shane is a low-life, then you find out Shane risked his life to save Rick and honestly thought he was dead. Just like with Lost, they give you a small piece of the story and allow you to get taken down the wrong path. :)
Now we're seeing Herschel telling Rick that his life hasn't been untouched by the crisis, then we see him telling Rick there are things about their life he won't discuss while the barn looms large in the background, then last night we see what's in that bard. Same thing as we saw with Lost.
Quote from: Bruzilla on November 14, 2011, 08:45:35 PM
If you go back to Lost season 1 and 2... back when it was good... remember the Jin and Sun storyline. First you thought Jin was a bad guy because he went out and beat up some other guy. Then later on you see more of the story and find out the reason he did it was because Sun's father forced him to do it. Then later on you find out that the dog you at first thought he took from the guy was actually a gift from the guy thanking him for not beating him up. That's the same way Walking Dead is being staged. First you think Lori and Shane are both low-lifes and had been having an affair, then you find out Lori thought Rick was dead and Shane had abandoned his friend and lied to Lori and just Shane is a low-life, then you find out Shane risked his life to save Rick and honestly thought he was dead. Just like with Lost, they give you a small piece of the story and allow you to get taken down the wrong path. :)
Now we're seeing Herschel telling Rick that his life hasn't been untouched by the crisis, then we see him telling Rick there are things about their life he won't discuss while the barn looms large in the background, then last night we see what's in that bard. Same thing as we saw with Lost.
But that's just basic rules of story-telling. It's not like Lost invented foreshadowing or mis-direction. What I don't like about the show is the fact that we have so very many scenes which do little to move the plot forward. Look at the flashback in last night's episode (which I actually thought was better than the last couple of episodes, btw). That flashback does nothing to move things forward. It doesn't reveal anything about Shane or Lori that we didn't already know. So they saw Atlanta firebombed? What does that achieve? Was it supposed to help us understand how complicated the relationship is between Shane and Lori? We get that, we've been shown that before. Was it supposed to show what terrible things they've been through? We get that too. Honestly, I think it was just thrown in there so they could have a bit of excitement at the beginning of the episode.
There are many ways to reveal layers of character that are not tedious or repetitive. Lost i
did handle that very well. But I don't think TWD is nearly as good at doing that.
You have absolutely no idea what the flashback revealed. :) As for scenes not moving the story forward, lots of people are missing what's going on. For example, I keep hearing from people whining about how the Sophia storyline is dragging on too long, but they're missing that there's a reason for it. In the comics, Shane gets killed before the survivors leave camp, so the fact he's still alive throws a big unknown into the story.
Right now, Shane is coming more and more unhinged by his decision to sacrifice Otis, and he's pushing Rick to forget Sophia for the good of the group which would help ease his own guilt. The longer Rick does the right thing, the more that's increasing the guilt Shane feels and is going to drive a pretty interesting conflict pretty soon.
Like with Lost, scenes that seem like they are filler usually had a lot of meaning, and I suspect you're going to find that scene on the road where Lori and Shane are watching the helicopters napalm Atlanta will play a major role in the future.
At this point, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. Telling someone they "don't understand," or they have "no idea" what something means when they don't agree with you is easy to do. Look, I've read the comics. I realize Shane did not survive past the first story arc. I also understand that they want to show how Shane and Rick, who are like two sides of the same coin, are diverging from one another. I get that, and that the search scene from the last episode was supposed to do that. I had no problems with that scene, as it served an actual purpose and did progress the story by setting up real seeds of conflict. However, there have been a number of times when they've shown us essentially the same thing from one episode to the next, where the story was not advanced a bit. They are hitting us over the head again and again with points they've already made. To some, this may be great story-telling. To me, it is padding.
Quote from: Bruzilla on November 15, 2011, 10:05:44 PM
As for scenes not moving the story forward, lots of people are missing what's going on. For example, I keep hearing from people whining about how the Sophia storyline is dragging on too long, but they're missing that there's a reason for it.
Is whining about whining... whining? ;) I don't have a problem that they haven't found Sophia yet------but more that 'looking for Sophia' became the show for a few episodes with really nothing else happening. At least with the last episode SOMETHING is going to happen next week other than 'looking for Sophia'.
Quote from: Moonshadow on November 15, 2011, 10:40:31 PM
At this point, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. Telling someone they "don't understand," or they have "no idea" what something means when they don't agree with you is easy to do. Look, I've read the comics. I realize Shane did not survive past the first story arc. I also understand that they want to show how Shane and Rick, who are like two sides of the same coin, are diverging from one another. I get that, and that the search scene from the last episode was supposed to do that. I had no problems with that scene, as it served an actual purpose and did progress the story by setting up real seeds of conflict. However, there have been a number of times when they've shown us essentially the same thing from one episode to the next, where the story was not advanced a bit. They are hitting us over the head again and again with points they've already made. To some, this may be great story-telling. To me, it is padding.
Can you and I agree to AGREE? ;)
What we're seeing is the result of Frank Darabont's exit from the series and the per-episode budget cuts. The show isn't as good as last year, after the 90-minute season two premiere that was the last episode with Darabont's fingerprints on it (before AMC ripped it out of his hands). Take the idiotic "Talking Dead" off and funnel that money (however little it may be) back into the show.
I haven't read the comics and I don't want to know any potential spoilers either.
It seems that the "find Sophia" storyline is bulk of the season. I thought it would last 1 or 2 episodes. I also enjoyed the flashback scene. I wish they had more. IMO, it would be more interesting than searching the woods again and again.
The farmhouse has taken a new twist with the dead locked inside the barn. I'm waiting for Sunday's show to see WTH is going on.
Overall, I like this season so far, it is slower, that edge a bit softened but it is still one of the better shows on TV.
Quote from: Sean on November 15, 2011, 11:51:09 PM
Can you and I agree to AGREE? ;)
I can agree to agree with your agreeing. :D
By the way Sean, I really like your Sgt. Schultz avatar, even if it has nothing to do with monsters.
I do agree ;D that this last episode was actually about something, and a move in the right direction.
I still want the crew to find Sophia huddled up near a tree and be all relieved that they found her , only to realize too late that she is one of THEM. A member goes to hug her crying and babbling they are so happy she is found only to see her little zombie face turn and at blinding speed sink her little zombie teeth in someones throat. Then after all this time looking for her they have a dead crew member and are pumping bullets into their "lost gold". Now THAT is a good storyline and ending of that plot line. >:D
I'm digging the show (though it is pretty much zombie by numbers) and hoping for many more seasons!!
Quote from: Moonshadow on November 16, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
I can agree to agree with your agreeing. :D
By the way Sean, I really like your Sgt. Schultz avatar, even if it has nothing to do with monsters.
I do agree ;D that this last episode was actually about something, and a move in the right direction.
I think the Schultz avatar is a result of the Penn State scandal.... and, yeah, I liked the last episode, too.
Quote from: Wicked Lester on November 17, 2011, 07:49:29 PM
I still want the crew to find Sophia huddled up near a tree and be all relieved that they found her , only to realize too late that she is one of THEM. A member goes to hug her crying and babbling they are so happy she is found only to see her little zombie face turn and at blinding speed sink her little zombie teeth in someones throat. Then after all this time looking for her they have a dead crew member and are pumping bullets into their "lost gold". Now THAT is a good storyline and ending of that plot line. >:D
And if they make a doll of Sophia like that--------I hope you're my Secret Satan partner... because that's what you're getting! 8)
Quote from: BaronLatos35 on November 16, 2011, 08:31:23 AM
I haven't read the comics and I don't want to know any potential spoilers either.
It seems that the "find Sophia" storyline is bulk of the season. I thought it would last 1 or 2 episodes. I also enjoyed the flashback scene. I wish they had more. IMO, it would be more interesting than searching the woods again and again.
The farmhouse has taken a new twist with the dead locked inside the barn. I'm waiting for Sunday's show to see WTH is going on.
Overall, I like this season so far, it is slower, that edge a bit softened but it is still one of the better shows on TV.
I can not wait for the farmhouse episode. But, I still feel the storyline is dragging the
SOPHIA search way too much. Definitely a really good show.
Quote from: marsattacks666 on November 18, 2011, 07:13:54 AM
I can not wait for the farmhouse episode. But, I still feel the storyline is dragging the
SOPHIA search way too much. Definitely a really good show.
The Sophia 'STILL MISSING' theme is fine with me... the 'lets have the group searching for her every episode as 90% of the action' is not. I have GREAT hope for this next episode. The possibilities are busting at the seams.
Quote from: Sean on November 18, 2011, 07:57:01 AM
The Sophia 'STILL MISSING' theme is fine with me... the 'lets have the group searching for her every episode as 90% of the action' is not. I have GREAT hope for this next episode. The possibilities are busting at the seams.
Fo'sho, on the new episode
Quote from: Sean on November 17, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
And if they make a doll of Sophia like that--------I hope you're my Secret Satan partner... because that's what you're getting! 8)
SWEEEEEEEEET! Zombie kid in a stocking. 8)
Quote from: Moonshadow on November 15, 2011, 10:40:31 PM
At this point, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. Telling someone they "don't understand," or they have "no idea" what something means when they don't agree with you is easy to do.
Sorry you took my comment the wrong way. What I meant is the writers have been injecting seemingly irrelevant items into the story that have larger impacts later on. Who thought Rick bumping into a guerney parked outside his door would mean anything, until we found out Shane put it there to block the door, which happened after the writers let everyone assume Shane had just abandoned Rick so he could be with Lori.
So to my comment, I suspect that seemingly filler scene of the bombardment of Atlanta is going to play into something bigger in a future episode, and the only ones who know what this will be are the writers. :)
I'm thinking the writers are going to have to change things up and whack Sophia because she poses a pretty serious problem - she's aging in real life faster than in her screen life. At 13 or so episodes a year, the girl playing her isn't going to be able to pass for a 12-year old for very long.
Quote from: Bruzilla on November 20, 2011, 12:49:02 PM
I'm thinking the writers are going to have to change things up and whack Sophia because she poses a pretty serious problem - she's aging in real life faster than in her screen life. At 13 or so episodes a year, the girl playing her isn't going to be able to pass for a 12-year old for very long.
;D
I love the crap about Lori banging Shane BECAUSE she thought she lost her husband in a zombie apocalypse. I think a lot of people might shut down sex under such circumstances.
Lori is not an asset. I wish someone would break HER legs and throw HER into the barn. 8)
Depends on how closely they hew to her fate in the comics. They've already deviated heavily for several other characters, so, who knows?
I wonder who Daryl shoots in the next episode (from the previews)?
OMG! I just realized who "Hershel" is! (Scott Wilson from "In Cold Blood", etc.) When did he get all old, fat and bald?
(http://industrycentral.net/content/actors/images/s_wilson1.jpg)
Quote from: Mike Scott on November 22, 2011, 12:40:51 PM
OMG! I just realized who "Hershel" is! (Scott Wilson from "In Cold Blood", etc.) When did he get all old, fat and bald?
(http://industrycentral.net/content/actors/images/s_wilson1.jpg)
When he got old. LOL!
THANK YOU, MIKE! I've been straining my poor pea brain these last few episodes trying to figure out where i'd seen him before!
Quote from: Gasport on November 23, 2011, 09:05:34 PM
THANK YOU, MIKE! I've been straining my poor pea brain these last few episodes trying to figure out where i'd seen him before!
Since Jeffery DeMunn (the guy with the RV) was the only cast member I recognized, I wasn't paying attention to the credits till I read a cast list at Wiki. I had to double check to make sure there weren't two Scott Wilson's, 'cause he looked so different from the last time I'd seen him in anything new.
Quote from: Mike Scott on November 24, 2011, 02:06:18 PM
Since Jeffery DeMunn (the guy with the RV) was the only cast member I recognized, I wasn't paying attention to the credits till I read a cast list at Wiki. I had to double check to make sure there weren't two Scott Wilson's, 'cause he looked so different from the last time I'd seen him in anything new.
Laurie Holden (Andrea) was in Frank Darabont's "The Mist," along with Jeffrey DeMunn. It's a film that has several connections to "The Walking Dead," and zombie movies in general.
Well, that was a delightful mid-season finale.
Quote from: Mike Scott on November 22, 2011, 12:40:51 PM
OMG! I just realized who "Hershel" is! (Scott Wilson from "In Cold Blood", etc.) When did he get all old, fat and bald?
He is also one of the monks in THE NAME OF THE ROSE.
My honey and I were both surprised when he appeared on screen.
I loved how 23% of respondents voted that Dale is the father of Lori's baby on the Talking Dead. ;D
The Sophia ending was sad way to end the mid season. I wish they would have all shot Shane instead.
Turns out Shane was right about everything, though....wonder if that will change the leadership dynamic within the group...?
Shane is looking out only for Shane. I see him breaking off from the group......with whoever will go with him. Wonder how this last episode will play out with Hershel. He was stunned by the massacre......he'll have something to say, or do, when his head clears........Buddy
I've avoided reading the most recent posts as I won't get to see yesterday's episode until tonight. However, I thought this article in the Atlantic was interesting (probably because I agree with all of their points): http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/11/5-ways-to-fix-the-walking-dead/249104/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/11/5-ways-to-fix-the-walking-dead/249104/)
Be warned -there are spoilers...I thought skipping the first paragraph would be enough, but there's a major spoiler at the end. I should have known better!
Quote from: Moonshadow on November 28, 2011, 01:15:47 PM
I've avoided reading the most recent posts as I won't get to see yesterday's episode until tonight. However, I thought this article in the Atlantic was interesting (probably because I agree with all of their points): http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/11/5-ways-to-fix-the-walking-dead/249104/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/11/5-ways-to-fix-the-walking-dead/249104/)
Be warned -there are spoilers...I thought skipping the first paragraph would be enough, but there's a major spoiler at the end. I should have known better!
Meh. Dont agree anything about the show needs to be "fixed". And it most certainly doesnt need to use other shows as "role models". It's fine just how it is, and setting it's own standards.
I liked the finale, the Sophia ending was surprising and ended with a potential civil war splitting the group.
SPOILERS:
It looked like Shane took command when he started the massacre, but Rick was the one who came through and shot Sophia when no one would. It will be interesting to see the leadership dynamic next season.
It's easy to say Shane is this and that. What he did to Otis was horrific and worthy of a death sentence in today's world. In the current apocalypse, survival is the only thing that counts. If it was my family I had to save, my daughter, my wife...it is my job to save them. Nothing and no one is more important.
Shane was right about the walkers in the barn as well, given his situation. Rick is doing what he needs to do in order to guarantee safety for his family. They need to stay. Shane has no family. If I was Rick, I'm staying, If I was Shane, the walkers are dead.
If you have a family, your outlook can change quickly in either situation.
Quote from: Mitchellmania on November 28, 2011, 10:01:31 AM
The Sophia ending was sad way to end the mid season. I wish they would have all shot Shane instead.
I was NOT expecting that ending. Made me very sad indeed. :(
I knew Sophia would get turned into a zombie. She'd just been gone too long. Also figured she would show up in this episode, rather than have us wait till Feb. to find out her fate.
Sophia, we hardly knew ye!
QuoteWhat he did to Otis was horrific and worthy of a death sentence in today's world. In the current apocalypse, survival is the only thing that counts.
Baron, gotta disagree with ya on that. Shane will blur survival with what he wants, and anyone in the way will become a victim. I'm really quite surprised that Dale is still alive after the one-on-one confrontation with Shane in the woods over the guns. Survival does not require the loss of honor, dignity or humanity. A mad desire to live can bring a man to the choice of remaining a man or becoming a mindless pathetic animal. It is often easy to forget.....no one gets out of this life alive. Shane wants to make sure he is the last to die and he doesn't care who he shoves into a grave ahead of himself. What good is it to gain the world (what's left of it) yet lose your soul? Shane is very much headed the wrong way......Buddy
Haven't watched the last episode yet but I was hoping that they'd find Sophie alive being protected by a female zombie against other zombies that were trying to eat her! They also could have had Sophie so wacked out that she actually looked upon the female zombie has her mother, rejecting the group and her own mother once the female zombie was shot!?!
Quote from: bigbud on November 28, 2011, 07:57:14 PM
Baron, gotta disagree with ya on that. Shane will blur survival with what he wants, and anyone in the way will become a victim. I'm really quite surprised that Dale is still alive after the one-on-one confrontation with Shane in the woods over the guns. Survival does not require the loss of honor, dignity or humanity. A mad desire to live can bring a man to the choice of remaining a man or becoming a mindless pathetic animal. It is often easy to forget.....no one gets out of this life alive. Shane wants to make sure he is the last to die and he doesn't care who he shoves into a grave ahead of himself. What good is it to gain the world (what's left of it) yet lose your soul? Shane is very much headed the wrong way......Buddy
I hear you Buddy, but please read the rest of my post. Shane has no family, he is beholden to himself only. Survival of the fittest. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, it's it what it is for him.
My point was if you did have a family (I gave mine as an example) it would be a different kind of choice to make...my daughter or a stranger. No choice my friend.
Quote from: zombiehorror on November 28, 2011, 08:34:24 PM
Haven't watched the last episode yet but I was hoping that they'd find Sophie alive being protected by a female zombie against other zombies that were trying to eat her! They also could have had Sophie so wacked out that she actually looked upon the female zombie has her mother, rejecting the group and her own mother once the female zombie was shot!?!
Uh, no. That wasn't gonna happen. Ever. Walkers see the living as one thing: food! A female zombie has no mothering instinct. That part of its brain has ceased functioning.
And, this is all Shane's fault. Otis used to round up the walkers and put them in the barn. Shane killed Otis before he got the chance to say, "You're looking for a little girl? Blonde, blue T-shirt with a rainbow on it? Um, okay, I gotta go talk to Hershel about something!"
I thought it was a pretty good episode, and a good 'stopping point' for the two month break. It leaves us with a lot of things to ponder until the show returns. Given everything that happened, what will life at the farm be like now? Who's really in charge? Will we see a split in the group? Hershel was pretty shaken up -will he change his views on the walkers?
I thought this was also a great episode for Rick, who has been sort of the bland good guy for quite some time now. It's easy to mistake his 'goodness' for weakness. Shane certainly does, and Lori may have her doubts. But I think in the end he showed that his moral resolve gives him a lot of strength - the way he took care of Sophia demonstrated this in my mind. But I have to wonder if his hope may have died with Sophia.
I think the reason Rick stepped up and shot Sophia was due to the fact he was the one responible for her becomming a walker. Since he didn't save her, he had to eliminate her out of guilt. He should have never left an eleven year old girl to fend for herself. I know it's just a show but Iv'e lost respect for his character. I'd watch out for Sophia's mother if I where him.
Quote from: Count_Zirock on November 29, 2011, 12:27:59 AM
Uh, no. That wasn't gonna happen. Ever. Walkers see the living as one thing: food! A female zombie has no mothering instinct. That part of its brain has ceased functioning.
I know it was a long shot to think they might give the walkers more to do on the show but I just think it would have added a little more depth to the whole thing. So far the only thing to keep the group from mowing down a walker is when it was someone they knew but if they came upon an anomilly like a walker that still retains some glimmer of humanity it would add a whole new dimension to it all.
Quotebut if they came upon an anomaly like a walker that still retains some glimmer of humanity it would add a whole new dimension to it all.
Great idea! That would really be a nice twist. And what if they ran across someone or some gov. agency still active that had found a cure? That hope has gotta be why there was a mob of em in the barn. We have yet to experience Hershel's reaction to the events of this last episode......Buddy
Shane beats his chest like a wannabe alpha... but Rick did what nobody else would do. That's your leader. Don't know who everyone will file behind, though--------the people on the show, the WOMEN in particular, are screwey.
Rick isn't to blame for Sophia. He actually is the one who went out to look for her immediately, found her, then lost her again when they were spotted by walkers-----but remember, he tried to draw the walkers away from her and then fight them at a safe distance away from her. She was dead if they stayed together and he fell protecting her. Hardly ammo to BLAME him for what happened to her. Actually, had enough adults cared as much as Rick and went with him to rescue Sophia, she'd be alive. That includes Sophia's mom.
Sophia's mom did a real good job guarding the inside of the camper with her daughter missing. She has no bone to pick with anyone.
Quote from: Mike Scott on November 28, 2011, 07:22:07 PM
I knew Sophia would get turned into a zombie. She'd just been gone too long. Also figured she would show up in this episode, rather than have us wait till Feb. to find out her fate.
Ditto. I was just hoping that she would have taken someone out.
That could be the case and I'll take it a step further...
Tera Nova is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Dinos.
Falling Skies is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Aliens.
I enjoyed the first episode. First 30 minutes were great. Ending was a complete surprise. All the zombie scenes were fantastic.
Where the show kinda drops it for me is the drama. To me (and this is probably just me) those scenes come across kinda soap opera-ish. Just kinda hard to buy everyone's so self absorbed with their own petty problems when they're TRYING NOT TO GET EATEN.
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Quote from: youngjohn12 on January 10, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
That could be the case and I'll take it a step further...
Tera Nova is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Dinos.
Falling Skies is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Aliens.
I enjoyed the first episode. First 30 minutes were great. Ending was a complete surprise. All the zombie scenes were fantastic.
Where the show kinda drops it for me is the drama. To me (and this is probably just me) those scenes come across kinda soap opera-ish. Just kinda hard to buy everyone's so self absorbed with their own petty problems when they're TRYING NOT TO GET EATEN.
Quote from: youngjohn12 on January 10, 2012, 05:44:14 PM
That could be the case and I'll take it a step further...
Tera Nova is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Dinos.
Falling Skies is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Aliens.
I enjoyed the first episode. First 30 minutes were great. Ending was a complete surprise. All the zombie scenes were fantastic.
Where the show kinda drops it for me is the drama. To me (and this is probably just me) those scenes come across kinda soap opera-ish. Just kinda hard to buy everyone's so self absorbed with their own petty problems when they're TRYING NOT TO GET EATEN.
That could be the case and I'll take it a step further...
Tera Nova is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Dinos.
Falling Skies is Walking Dead (or Lost) with Aliens.
I enjoyed the first episode. First 30 minutes were great. Ending was a complete surprise. All the zombie scenes were fantastic.
Where the show kinda drops it for me is the drama. To me (and this is probably just me) those scenes come across kinda soap opera-ish. Just kinda hard to buy everyone's so self absorbed with their own petty problems when they're TRYING NOT TO GET EATEN.
Quote from: youngjohn12 on January 13, 2012, 09:24:04 AM
To me (and this is probably just me) those scenes come across kinda soap opera-ish. Just kinda hard to buy everyone's so self absorbed with their own petty problems when they're TRYING NOT TO GET EATEN.
The human condition and the emotions involved are always a plot point of any "apocalypse" vehicle!! In a group of people you will always have more than one that wants to be the leader, some that will want to be the slackers, some will be the mothering type, the prankster, etc., etc., etc. In a short amount of time these individuals may be able to set their differences aside in the face of danger but after a prolonged amount of time conflicts and clashes are bound to arise..that in the end is the human condition.
Oh my God!! They killed Dale!
You Bastards!!
Biggest shock ever (on this show)!
Anybody still watch this show? There haven't been any updates since the 2nd part of the season started.
My wife & I still watch and enjoy the heck out of it! And yeah, we couldn't believe good ol' Dale was killed off!
I think the second half of this season has been much more interesting. But Dale's death was a surprise. Without him around I don't know who's going to counter-balance Shane. Rick is too much in the middle. It's like Kirk without both Spock and McCoy to present the two sides of an argument to him!
The show has diverged so much from the comics now with Dale's death that I have no idea where it is headed. That's not necessarily a bad thing. But I really liked Dale and he was a huge part of the comics for years. Jeffrey DeMunn did a very nice job. I'll miss him.
I haven't read the comics and it's probably just as well, because I wouldn't like the deviations in the TV series.
The killing of Dale was a surprise, because there hasn't been a major character killed off since the first season. I'm not really sure you could call anyone from the first season "major" anyway, because there was only 6 episodes.
I dunno how much longer I will remain a viewer after the killing of Dale. Just sayin'. >:( >:(
Spoiler rumor has it that another major character will be killed off in the last episode of this season. A little screw up by AMC to get preorders for this season's DVD set. Ooops. Info has already been pulled but enough people saw it. I won't give it away. :)
I do enjoy the show. I have missed 2 episodes this season much to my angst. I caught this last one.
Fitting how Dale, who always had that rifle on his shoulder---yet never did realize he was in a different world from his 'rule of law' former life---didn't even have the darned thing locked and loaded or even off his shoulder as he stupidly wandered alone. Dale... why even carry the gun? When WOULD BE a good time to have it ready to shoot? He never 'got it'. And he didn't get a 2nd chance.
Carl needs an arse whuppin'. Period.
Not happy that Rick's character is wishy washy again after a moment of clarity at the end of last season.
Sophia's mom is tough to stomach. Hard to believe she didn't do more to actively participate in looking for her daughter. I know I couldn't rest until my kid was found. It would be harder to sit there in that camper thinking about it than it would be out there fighting zombies if my kid was missing in that mess.
I'm still on the fence with this show. I was ready to give up on it at the season mid-point. But the second half episodes have actually moved the story forward and been interesting. But there are too many characters who serve no purpose really -T-Dog, I'm looking at you - and they need to get off the damn farm!
Gah! Dale was one of the few decent people left in the group. He was also one of the few characters that did not either annoy me or make me want them to just die. (That's right, Shane needs to die before he kills again. And Andrea and her bitchy, nihilist, on-again-off-again suicidal b.s. need to go.) Why?!!! (falls on knees and shakes fist skyward) Dale represented all of the humanity and ethics/morals of the world as it was before the walkers changed everything. When he died, the old world died with him. What will become of the characters and the world they live in now?
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 06, 2012, 09:54:09 AM
-T-Dog, I'm looking at you -
Really! If he was the one to get killed off at the end of the season, would anybody notice he was gone? :laugh: (I couldn't even remember his name till you mentioned it.)
Quote from: Mike Scott on March 06, 2012, 07:47:54 PM
Really! If he was the one to get killed off at the end of the season, would anybody notice he was gone? :laugh: (I couldn't even remember his name till you mentioned it.)
I wouldn't. He hasnt had much screen time. My money is on Hershel. He passed the watch to Glen, and there has to be a catalyst to get them off the farm and moving again for season 3.
I am enjoying the second part of the season.
Dale may have been a moral compass, but he could be a self righteous a**. Deciding who could have guns? The walkers in the barn needed to go, so does the kid. In fact, Rick should never have brought him back.
Rick is too wishy washy and put himself in a position to be second guessed as a leader. Shane is unpredictable and only has his interests at heart. The group is indeed broken.
Quote from: Anton Phibes on March 06, 2012, 08:45:44 PM
. . and there has to be a catalyst to get them off the farm and moving again for season 3.
They really do! One season on the farm is enough. And that means Glen will stay behind, or Maggie will leave with him, which she won't do without her family. If Glen or Maggie gets killed, problem solved!
My moneys on shane,dudes gotta go.
Quote from: Mike Scott on March 06, 2012, 09:29:54 PM
They really do! One season on the farm is enough. And that means Glen will stay behind, or Maggie will leave with him, which she won't do without her family. If Glen or Maggie gets killed, problem solved!
Herschel goes out all day, looking for more lost cattle. He gets in a scrape and gets infected somehow. Herschel returns late, walks in the house as a zombie------they blast him and have no reason to stay on the farm anymore... as maybe it gets overrun by zombies and they have to move and there is nothing there keeping them. The family can't bear to stay. Something like that.
BTW, how in the hell did a zombie eviscerate a cow? The cow's hide is too tough and the cow wound move away. It wouldn't stand there as a walker tried chomping it. I was watching a video of a healthy hippo being ganged up on by several lionesses. They had to give up. They couldn't penetrate the hide. Grown lionesses. The walker would be relentless, but it couldn't be there trying all day without being seen------so the walker must have done that in relatively short order----------which is unrealistic, if at all possible.
Quote from: Sean on March 07, 2012, 09:30:16 AM
----------which is unrealistic, if at all possible.
Ummmm...the show is called Walking Dead, reality is out the door.....LOL!??! ;D
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/03/the-post-apocalyptic-morality-of-the-walking-dead/253986/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/03/the-post-apocalyptic-morality-of-the-walking-dead/253986/)
This is a pretty interesting article that may benefit this discussion. What do you guys think?
Quote from: The Invisible Woman on March 07, 2012, 09:57:30 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/03/the-post-apocalyptic-morality-of-the-walking-dead/253986/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/03/the-post-apocalyptic-morality-of-the-walking-dead/253986/)
This is a pretty interesting article that may benefit this discussion. What do you guys think?
Thanks for sharing this. I think it brings up a good point about Rick. Regardless what you may think of him, he does take responsibility for his choices.
Rick has taken a lot of flak not just here but everywhere. While it's easy to declare him wishy-washy, the fact is he's torn between holding onto his humanity versus protecting his family. Personally, I respect that, and I can understand and forgive some of the choices he's made. In contrast I have no respect for Shane, who has given up any semblance of humanity -it's all about his survival, pure and simple.
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 07, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
Ummmm...the show is called Walking Dead, reality is out the door.....LOL!??! ;D
OK, lemme try to explain it THIS way:
Reality---relative to what we experience daily---IS 'out the door' with a show about the walking dead... but the producers of this fantasy have established 'standards' for it's fantasy characters. The walker that apparently disemboweled the 1,200 lb cow alone, with his bare hands, could not muster the power to pull his feet from LOW shin-deep mud EARLIER IN THE SAME EPISODE. Alpha predators with significantly more speed, power and agility than any walker (from what the producers of the show have represented them to possess) can't rip large prey's underbellies open WHILE THEY'RE STILL ALIVE----they'd be trampled to death... and walkers drop like Humpty Dumpty from a single blow to the head.
It's incongruous for a frail zombie who was stopped (un)dead in his tracks because his tootsies were stuck in mud barely above his ankles-----to be shredding apart 1/2 ton livestock while it was ALIVE, better than a lioness could.
'K? :)
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 07, 2012, 11:22:50 PM
Thanks for sharing this. I think it brings up a good point about Rick. Regardless what you may think of him, he does take responsibility for his choices.
Rick has taken a lot of flak not just here but everywhere. While it's easy to declare him wishy-washy, the fact is he's torn between holding onto his humanity versus protecting his family. Personally, I respect that, and I can understand and forgive some of the choices he's made. In contrast I have no respect for Shane, who has given up any semblance of humanity -it's all about his survival, pure and simple.
Right or wrong, Rick is pulling that trigger on Randall if Carl doesn't walk in. Then he does an about face. Complete reversal. So in the span of 5 seconds, he made 2 decisions on the same life and death situation that are COMPLETELY opposite from one another.
That's quite possibly a good quality for a human being. But it's unquestionably a BAD quality for a leader-----not that he didn't kill Randall------but that he thought about it long and hard, decided he was going to do it/ had to do it, then allowed Carl's walking in to COMPLETELY change his mind.
You send Carl out of the barn and kill Randall. OR, you never get to the point where you have him blindfolded in a barn with your gun to his head in the 1st place. Something (Carl's suprise entrance) totally unrelated to whether you should kill Randall or not------decided Randall's fate. BAD leadership. And I like Rick, but leaders can't be wishy-washy. Not like that. It will catch up to the group you're leading. JMO.
Its like this, when you watch a scary movie and a parts coming up where you know something bad is going to happen and you think to yourself, "don't open that door Are you crazy? Can't you see what's going to happen to you if you do?" To the guy who's about to open that door...... But they have to open that door Or it would be a pretty boring movie.this Randall situation is going to be a big part in the future of rick, Shane, Carl, and probably everyone else involved IMO. The" door " has to be opened and it has to be that way. It's setting up the rest of the story. And rick isn't wishy washy, he's being human. We make mistakes,second guess ourselves,change daily to our life experiences. That's what separate us from the animals, and zombies. And as for a cow getting eaten, I've seen zombie/ shark attacks in Zombie movies! a cow is possible.
Quote from: frankenstein73 on March 09, 2012, 01:45:08 AM
Its like this, when you watch a scary movie and a parts coming up where you know something bad is going to happen and you think to yourself, "don't open that door Are you crazy? Can't you see what's going to happen to you if you do?" To the guy who's about to open that door...... But they have to open that door Or it would be a pretty boring movie.this Randall situation is going to be a big part in the future of rick, Shane, Carl, and probably everyone else involved IMO. The" door " has to be opened and it has to be that way. It's setting up the rest of the story. And rick isn't wishy washy, he's being human. We make mistakes,second guess ourselves,change daily to our life experiences. That's what separate us from the animals, and zombies. And as for a cow getting eaten, I've seen zombie/ shark attacks in Zombie movies! a cow is possible.
1) Wishy-washy is HUMAN. But it doesn't make for a good leader. You want the right decisions made without the flip flopping. The term wishy-washy, as it pertains 'indecisive' describes Rick pretty well. Decisiveness is a trait a good leader must have. Rick is indecisive. That's an obstacle for him being a good leader.
2) I'm not talking about ANY 'zombies' ripping cows apart. I'm talking about 'The Walking Dead' zombies doing it. I swore I was clear about that. :laugh: The same zombie with the egg shell skull who couldn't even get his feet out of the mud isn't ripping a 1,200 lb cow's stomach open while it's still alive.
Quote from: frankenstein73 on March 09, 2012, 01:45:08 AM
Its like this, when you watch a scary movie and a parts coming up where you know something bad is going to happen and you think to yourself, "don't open that door Are you crazy? Can't you see what's going to happen to you if you do?" To the guy who's about to open that door...... But they have to open that door Or it would be a pretty boring movie.
Charles Grodin's character in the 1976 King Kong was a douche. If he WASN'T, the big ape doesn't leave the island. Charles Grodin being a douche MAKES the rest of the movie possible. I get it. BUT.... Charles Grodin IS a douche in that movie. We wouldn't say he's NOT a douche because he has to be that way for the movie's plot to unfold. Gosh, I typed 'douche' alot here. Douche, douche, douche... ;)
I don't think that frail-ass zombie could even milk a cow!
I also think Randall is bad-news >:(...
Quote from: Sean on March 09, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
Charles Grodin's character in the 1976 King Kong was a douche. If he WASN'T, the big ape doesn't leave the island. Charles Grodin being a douche MAKES the rest of the movie possible. I get it. BUT.... Charles Grodin IS a douche in that movie. We wouldn't say he's NOT a douche because he has to be that way for the movie's plot to unfold. Gosh, I typed 'douche' alot here. Douche, douche, douche... ;)
You seem to get very defensive and snarky when people don't agree with your view, ive noticed it in other threads. maybe you don't feel you do. Or I'm misinterpreting it. But I think everyone can have an opinion here,without it turning ugly. As for the zombie cow debacle, IMO... zombies are driven by bloodlust, and seem to get a surge of adrenaline when they have the opportunity to kill. And that gives them more strength And the ability to overcome their prey. He got out of the mud because Carl came by and got him exited. Started the drive in him back up. Otherwise it would have just stayed there and rotted. As it was walking it found the cow, at night, sleeping, you can walk up to a cow at this time and tip it over, so i will buy into it. Its not ideal and definately not completely believeable,but entertaining. As for rick being a good leader, he cares about everyone in the group, who else in the entire group does? Is anyone else more qualified, Or able to? Hershel kept zombies in the barn,Shane kills people to save himself, Dale( was) to soft. Glen doesn't know what to do ever, so who is better? JMO.
I'd eat a cow - matter of fact, I have! :D
Quote from: frankenstein73 on March 09, 2012, 04:10:20 PM
You seem to get very defensive and snarky when people don't agree with your view, ive noticed it in other threads. maybe you don't feel you do. Or I'm misinterpreting it.
Yes. ;)
Glad to see you are proud of that. I don't appreciate being called a douche, as I'm sure that is how you meant it to sound. Easy to say hiding behind your computer. This is a great site and I don't think that's the way people handle themselves here. I feel we all should be able to have an opinion and if we disagree, do it in a respectful manner without resorting to childish remarks and name calling. There are many other sites on the internet that thrive off of know it all's and people who like to argue just to argue. Save it for them.
OK, guys. I'm putting on the moderator hat here and asking you to play nicely. We all have opinions, and we need to be respectful of one another when we communicate on this forum. The Walking Dead is a great show and it's easy to get passionate about these things; so please be respectful and think twice before you post something that could be offensive to other members.
Thanks,
Andy
Here's a couple of explanations to sort out the series of events. The zombie was stuck in the mud and his only option at the time was to try to walk forward because, let's face it, he's just a zombie and not necessarily clear-headed enough to figure how to work his feet out of the mud. Also, when you're stuc in mud like that, it is hard to get unstuck because you can't get the right leverage to get out. Enter Karl behind the zombie. The zombie's drive to atttack makes him turn around some and maybe that clears his feet enough to begin to become unstuck. (By the way, I'm not sure if "unstuck" is a legitimate word but I'm using it anyway.)
Now, over to our bovine friend. We don't necessarily know that it was the zombie that brought the animal down. He could have stepped in agopher hole or some such thing and broke his leg. Now the animal is on it's side, in pain, and possibly bleeding already. The zombie attacks it and even if he gets gored or kicked, he doesn't respond to the pain and starts chewing. Sure the animal's hide is thick, but it's not impenetrable. It's also alive, not cured leather which would be a lot tougher. Not everything that happens is on camera. There could have been other zombies around and maybe they'll turn up soon enough. They could have wandered off after another cow.
Question: Can a cow become a zombie cow? :D
Rob
There you go using reason again, Rob! :)
Quote from: frankenstein73 on March 09, 2012, 08:55:14 PM
Glad to see you are proud of that. I don't appreciate being called a douche, as I'm sure that is how you meant it to sound. Easy to say hiding behind your computer. This is a great site and I don't think that's the way people handle themselves here. I feel we all should be able to have an opinion and if we disagree, do it in a respectful manner without resorting to childish remarks and name calling. There are many other sites on the internet that thrive off of know it all's and people who like to argue just to argue. Save it for them.
I called CHARLES GRODIN'S CHARACTER in the 1976 King Kong a douche. I thought that was obvious.
Quote from: poseablemonster on March 09, 2012, 10:02:18 PM
OK, guys. I'm putting on the moderator hat here and asking you to play nicely. We all have opinions, and we need to be respectful of one another when we communicate on this forum. The Walking Dead is a great show and it's easy to get passionate about these things; so please be respectful and think twice before you post something that could be offensive to other members.
Thanks,
Andy
Andy, I'm taking a beating here on the board and via PM. It would be deplorable had I called anyone here a 'douche'. Frankly, I would expect a vacation from the board. I don't know why, but frankenstein73 assumed I called HIM a douche---which I did not. I called CHARLES GRODIN'S CHARACTER in the 1976 King Kong a douche----quite a number of times in the same post---------so much, that I (in self-deprecating fashion) gratuitously typed it 3 more times (mocking my own over-use of the word to describe GRODIN). If you go back and read MY post, I'm sure it will make sense.
Now, like I said---my character is taking a beating here in a public forum. It's unfortunate and unfair. But I'll walk away from it for the good of the board-------I just want folks to know I didn't and wouldn't say something like that to anyone here.
Quote from: monsterphile on March 09, 2012, 10:35:47 PM
Here's a couple of explanations to sort out the series of events. The zombie was stuck in the mud and his only option at the time was to try to walk forward because, let's face it, he's just a zombie and not necessarily clear-headed enough to figure how to work his feet out of the mud. Also, when you're stuc in mud like that, it is hard to get unstuck because you can't get the right leverage to get out. Enter Karl behind the zombie. The zombie's drive to atttack makes him turn around some and maybe that clears his feet enough to begin to become unstuck. (By the way, I'm not sure if "unstuck" is a legitimate word but I'm using it anyway.)
Now, over to our bovine friend. We don't necessarily know that it was the zombie that brought the animal down. He could have stepped in agopher hole or some such thing and broke his leg. Now the animal is on it's side, in pain, and possibly bleeding already. The zombie attacks it and even if he gets gored or kicked, he doesn't respond to the pain and starts chewing. Sure the animal's hide is thick, but it's not impenetrable. It's also alive, not cured leather which would be a lot tougher. Not everything that happens is on camera. There could have been other zombies around and maybe they'll turn up soon enough. They could have wandered off after another cow.
Question: Can a cow become a zombie cow? :D
Rob
Rob, a little LATE with a great answer. ;D
Here is a clip of Charles Grodin talking about his character (Fred Wilson) in the 1976 King Kong. He knew how awful a person Fred Wilson was---and didn't want to play him. He also says that in the original cut, Kong MISSES Wilson when he tries to step on him-------but that audiences were SO ANGRY that Wilson didn't get stomped, that they changed the scene to make Grodin/ Wilson get smushed.
Also, in looking for this clip, I found something else--------Forry Ackerman was in this movie as an uncredited extra running in the crowd! 8)
Was anyone aware? I wasn't!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7uzWN8i8cs&feature=player_detailpage#t=50s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7uzWN8i8cs&feature=player_detailpage#t=50s)
Hey, just to let everyone know Sean and I worked everything out. He explained that he wasnt inferring that i was a douche..... Charles Grodin on the other hand is still a douche! So Ill leave that between Charles and Sean to work that one out. LOL! At times we do get worked up over our ideas in things that matter to us, its easy to get defensive, and things can be said. or taken the wrong way. Just remember its far better to work things out in a civil manner than it is to hold a grudge. This site is chock full of really cool people and it just goes to show how cool when we can get past things and work it out. It was a misunderstanding and all is now copasetic in UMA land.
Thanks for taking time and explaining your side to me Sean, Jeff.
Quote from: frankenstein73 on March 10, 2012, 01:41:28 AM
Hey, just to let everyone know Sean and I worked everything out. He explained that he wasnt inferring that i was a douche..... Charles Grodin on the other hand is still a douche! So Ill leave that between Charles and Sean to work that one out. LOL! At times we do get worked up over our ideas in things that matter to us, its easy to get defensive, and things can be said. or taken the wrong way. Just remember its far better to work things out in a civil manner than it is to hold a grudge. This site is chock full of really cool people and it just goes to show how cool when we can get past things and work it out. It was a misunderstanding and all is now copasetic in UMA land.
Thanks for taking time and explaining your side to me Sean, Jeff.
Thank you, Jeff, for clearing the air. I do appreciate it. Had anyone called ME what you thought I called YOU--------I'd be out of my mind ANGRY (don't get any ideas, Scatter!) I would NOT treat someone like that and I just want the board to know that.
Jeff is a good dude. Hey, I got to know his name! So it was all worth while... ;D
Sorry to raise the drama level here. ::)
Quote from: Unknown Primate on March 09, 2012, 01:33:05 PM
I don't think that frail-ass zombie could even milk a cow!
And lost in all of this was a fabulous line by UP! ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for sorting it out, guys. And poor Dale; hated seeing him go like that. I guess it was about time for a main character to go, though.
Quote from: poseablemonster on March 10, 2012, 10:07:32 AM
Thanks for sorting it out, guys. And poor Dale; hated seeing him go like that. I guess it was about time for a main character to go, though.
I'm sure I can speak for both Jeff and myself here: Thanks for ALLOWING us to sort it out, Andy. As for Dale------often times, someone steps up to fill a void when a major player goes down. Is there anyone to do that for Dale?
Good question, Sean. I have come to see him as a character reminiscent of the "Founding Fathers" in my mind. His parlor speech in that last episode just made me think of him in that way for some reason. He was desperately trying to hold on to civility, humanity, or whatever - the antithesis of Shane in a way who is more a brutal, savage and Darwinian/survival of the fittest type character. It's possible that Andrea might go in the direction that Dale paved. I know she's been on both sides, but her change of heart in last week's episode might foreshadow that kind of change in her.
Quote from: poseablemonster on March 10, 2012, 11:46:20 AM
Good question, Sean. I have come to see him as a character reminiscent of the "Founding Fathers" in my mind. His parlor speech in that last episode just made me think of him in that way for some reason. He was desperately trying to hold on to civility, humanity, or whatever - the antithesis of Shane in a way who is more a brutal, savage and Darwinian/survival of the fittest type character. It's possible that Andrea might go in the direction that Dale paved. I know she's been on both sides, but her change of heart in last week's episode might foreshadow that kind of change in her.
I was going to say a similar thing regarding Andrea. That's where my money is. Good reference regarding Dale----yeah, I could see him taking the floor like John Hancock. Unfortunately for him, he thought he failed and went wandering off.
Quote from: monsterphile on March 09, 2012, 10:35:47 PM
Question: Can a cow become a zombie cow? :D
Rob
Depends on the source; In the Walking Dead, no. In Resident Evil, probably! In Zombie Roadkill (2010), definitely!!
Zombie animals would cause the "plague" to spread far faster than humans.
Zombie rats would be especially adept at getting us, and of course zombie birds would be death from above.
Quote from: Gillfan on March 11, 2012, 09:04:21 AM
Zombie animals would cause the "plague" to spread far faster than humans.
Zombie rats would be especially adept at getting us, and of course zombie birds would be death from above.
Assuming that the zombie disease is already bacterial or viral, insects would be the most efficient vector for spreading such a condition.
Rob
I knew a girl---we'll call her 'Donna'---that would give a swarm of mosquitoes a run for it's money regarding spreading contagion. :o
Quote from: monsterphile on March 11, 2012, 09:43:43 AM
Assuming that the zombie disease is already bacterial or viral, insects would be the most efficient vector for spreading such a condition.
Rob
Correct. I don't think anyone has done a zombie insect story yet, have they?
I remembered this article from a few years back, about a zombie plague in cambodia spread by mosquitos. it was in the bbc news and spread around on april 1st.
http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/zombies.asp (http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/zombies.asp)
heres some more articles on the topic
http://zombieresearchsociety.com/archives/category/zombie-infection-sources (http://zombieresearchsociety.com/archives/category/zombie-infection-sources)
I think it was in one of the books ive read too, possibly world war Z?
Oh my gosh! I think that last night's episode was the best yet. SPOILERS! It had some hard core zombie exterminating (in what I thought was a well done montage in the beginning) and some good old fashioned human drama. It was nice to see the group finally pull it together and begin to coordinate their efforts. I can't believe it took Hershel this long to let them live in the house, but I am glad that he has had a change of heart.
Shane has finally gone over the edge after teetering on the brink for so long. I think Lori's talk with him was her attempt to make him feel better, but it just made things worse and sent him down deeper. I kind of felt bad for their prisoner, thinking that he was free, only to have his neck broken. Oh well, c'est la vie, especially in a zombie infested world.
I knew that Rick would see through Shane's flimsy story and try to talk him out of murdering him, but I did not see that conclusion coming. That whole scene with Rick and Shane was great. Rick was forced to do what he never could (but maybe should have earlier) and become like Shane, killing Shane to save his own life and for the good of the group. He had to become Shane in order to stop him.
This episode also established that ANYONE who dies in ANY way will come back as a zombie. Those crazy quick flashes during Shane's zombification were pretty unnerving. And poor Carl having to overcome his problems and shoot zombie Shane! In the long run that will either be good for him or seriously mess him up. Oh, and that final scene where the camera swoops upward and at first you see an indistinct treeline, and then the mass of zombies spilling out of it! Holy crap!
This has got to be the cataclysmic event that forces them all to leave the farm. I have a feeling that a few characters will die in the process, but they will all have to leave (even Hershel and his daughters, if they live) and go back to their nomadic style of living. I can't wait to see the season finale!
I loved last night's episode. SPOILERS....
The scene with Rick and Shane was great. I thought Darryl was going to kill Shane when he left the prisoner's body. I thought he tracked Rick and Shane figuring Shane's story was BS. I didn't see the knife coming. Vicious. I don't think he became Shane, I saw a man fighting for his family. Shane would kill anyone to survive.
WTH was Lori thinking? She knew how fragile the situation was with them and she says something like that to Shane??? Come on lady. I don't think her head is on straight.
I didn't feel bad for Randall the prisoner. Did you pick us his vibe when he thought Shane was going with him? He quickly showed his colors. He was nothing but bad news.
Can't wait for next week.
Carl is the most poorly supervised child ever.
Who is watching this boy?
Quote from: Gillfan on March 12, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
Carl is the most poorly supervised child ever.
Who is watching this boy?
That is the truth Gillfan! He just wanders all over the place.
Quote from: Gillfan on March 12, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
Carl is the most poorly supervised child ever.
Who is watching this boy?
Maybe with Rick briefly away, her pants came off again and she was too 'busy' to watch Carl. It's tough keepin' them pants on, idn't it, Lori? HONESTLY... what more important thang does Lori have to do over keeping a friggin' eye GLUED to Carl? ::)
Quote from: BaronLatos35 on March 12, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
I loved last night's episode. SPOILERS....
The scene with Rick and Shane was great. I thought Darryl was going to kill Shane when he left the prisoner's body. I thought he tracked Rick and Shane figuring Shane's story was BS. I didn't see the knife coming. Vicious. I don't think he became Shane, I saw a man fighting for his family. Shane would kill anyone to survive.
WTH was Lori thinking? She knew how fragile the situation was with them and she says something like that to Shane??? Come on lady. I don't think her head is on straight.
I didn't feel bad for Randall the prisoner. Did you pick us his vibe when he thought Shane was going with him? He quickly showed his colors. He was nothing but bad news.
Can't wait for next week.
Agree on all counts. I saw Randall as a weak minded follower who ran with a pack of bad people. He was reverting back to that sub-dominant follower who engages in bad things fueled by a mob mentality the second he thought he was home free with Shane.
Quote from: Gillfan on March 12, 2012, 08:22:56 PM
Carl is the most poorly supervised child ever.
Who is watching this boy?
The situation reminds me of when my family is vacationing or just out some where-----and there's a child anywhere from 3 to 6 years old with NO PARENTS IN SIGHT in a public place, where anyone could snatch him or he could fall off of something and they would never know.
Wasn't DALE's demise enough of a wakeup call to Lori Lolita that 'wandering off' is a BAD idea?
HAHAHA! Lori Lolita!!!
OMG!! Two for two! Who's gonna die on the finale next week?
I (along with most people) have been thinking that Shane needs to go, for the sake of the group, but I didn't think it would come one week after Dale got killed and had no idea how Shane would get it when he got it.
I think Carl will be alright, now that he has redeemed himself.
I did enjoy this last episode, although I wanted to strangle Lori for her behavior. We can only hope she gets chomped on, and soon.
I agree with some of the other comments about Randall -I think his remarks to Shane showed his true nature.
One complaint -the hackneyed use of "someone points a gun at another person but really they are shooting at a bad guy behind them." That was so lame.
So now we know -everyone goes zombie when they die. I had wondered if we'd see this happen when the previous episode had Dale get attacked, but Daryl took care of the situation quickly so there was no chance of that. But I'd been suspecting we'd see it after those zombie cops in the other town appeared to be free of injury.
I do hope we've seen the last of the farm. Time to move on. And why do these people have so many lights on? Shouldn't they be concerned it will attract walkers -or worse, the gang down the road? They almost deserve to get eaten for sheer stupidity!
Quote from: frankenstein73 on March 11, 2012, 06:40:34 PM
I remembered this article from a few years back, about a zombie plague in cambodia spread by mosquitos. it was in the bbc news and spread around on april 1st.
http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/zombies.asp (http://www.snopes.com/humor/iftrue/zombies.asp)
heres some more articles on the topic
http://zombieresearchsociety.com/archives/category/zombie-infection-sources (http://zombieresearchsociety.com/archives/category/zombie-infection-sources)
I think it was in one of the books ive read too, possibly world war Z?
OUTSTANDING stuff, Jeff!
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 12, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
One complaint -the hackneyed use of "someone points a gun at another person but really they are shooting at a bad guy behind them." That was so lame.
Agree, Karen... and Shane hadn't even been resurrected yet-----so what WAS Carl pointing that gun at before Shane got up? ???
Quote from: Sean on March 12, 2012, 10:22:47 PM
Shane hadn't even been resurrected yet-----so what WAS Carl pointing that gun at before Shane got up? ???
That's the way I thought it went down, but afterwards I wasn't sure if I saw what I saw?
I have despised Shane for awhile...but my 16 year old son pointed out something to me that I think was lost on a lot of folks. It was actually sad to remember scenes from this series with Rick and Shane as friends, and then see it end this way between them. What a difference a zombie apocalypse can make. :angel:
Reality does seem to take a vacation on this show on occasion, for instance, Shane according to Daryl broke Randal's neck. Right? However he was able to walk without paralysis as was the walker in the drug store that Glen hit in the mellon with the metal shelf. His head was angled to about 90 degrees at the the neck and was still able to walk. Another minor mistep but annoying to me is the loud sound of Shane taking the safety off on his Glock pistol just before he shoots. Glocks as you may know don't have safety levers. Still love watching the show and I'm betting on Hershell getting killed on the finale.
Quote from: Sean on March 12, 2012, 09:32:40 PM
Agree on all counts. I saw Randall as a weak minded follower who ran with a pack of bad people. He was reverting back to that sub-dominant follower who engages in bad things fueled by a mob mentality the second he thought he was home free with Shane.
Well said. Perhaps I don't feel that bad for him after all.
I hadn't see the "cow" episode until a few days ago; I'm not sure how it was thought that the walker took down the cow? They never showed any walkers near it and the walker showed up behind Dale with not so much as a drop pf blood on it...Surely it was not just chowing inside that messy pile of cow guts!!
Also why is/was there any thought about how "real" it would or wouldn't be for a walker to take down a cow but not questioned that that same walker rips open Dale's gut like he was wearing Freddy's glove?!?!
Lastly....Dale will not be missed!
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Quote from: zombiehorror on March 13, 2012, 07:26:51 PM
Also why is/was there any thought about how "real" it would or wouldn't be for a walker to take down a cow but not questioned that that same walker rips open Dale's gut like he was wearing Freddy's glove?!?!
Because you weren't here to think of that for us? ::)
Quote from: Gillfan on March 13, 2012, 07:45:30 PM
(http://i773.photobucket.com/albums/yy16/2260841/walkdeadcartoon.jpg)
Absolutely hilarious! ;D
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http://lawtechworld.com/tv/2012/03/the-walking-dead-season-2-spoiler-full-episode-13-finale-event-details/ (http://lawtechworld.com/tv/2012/03/the-walking-dead-season-2-spoiler-full-episode-13-finale-event-details/)
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 13, 2012, 07:26:51 PM
Also why is/was there any thought about how "real" it would or wouldn't be for a walker to take down a cow but not questioned that that same walker rips open Dale's gut like he was wearing Freddy's glove?!?!
Exactly! That really bugged me! 1) The skin on a human torso is pretty thick 2) human fingers/fingernails are not that sharp or strong 3) walkers are animated corpses that barely have the strength and dexterity to walk, let alone scratch their way through a person's torso. Bah!
Don't get me wrong, I like the show but the writing can sometimes be lacking. I understand they need to cover a lot of ground in a confined time frame but come on.
Shane took Rick out into the middle of the woods with the intent to kill him but in reality they are still well in view of the farm? Last but not least exactly where did Carl come from in that last scene?
I will be happy when they finally get of the farm already
Quote from: twilitezoner on March 17, 2012, 07:18:16 AM
Shane took Rick out into the middle of the woods with the intent to kill him but in reality they are still well in view of the farm? Last but not least exactly where did Carl come from in that last scene?
As your previous statement indicates Shane and Rick were in plain view of the farm (Why, I don't know?!) and Carl came from the farm's direction; No one ever keeps an eye on that kid.
Yes, it makes no sense within the story that Shane would bring Rick from dense woods to a clearing in view from the farmhouse. I think that was done for two reasons: one, so Carl could reasonably be in the scene (he saw them from the farmhouse), and two, so the two men could square off with no trees, etc obscuring the camera's view of them.
So, who's dying tomorrow? Assuming it's only one regular, I think Hershel gets it. He may have been set up when he gave his approval of Maggie and Glenn. Make sure that's out of the way before he's zombie food.
Well, in Moonshadow's (and my) world, 8 feet & 400 lbs. of Frankenstein Monster would arrive and kick zombie ass!
Peculiar how the Walkers hear the shot Carl fires to kill Shane, however they didn't cut to their reaction when Shane fired his gun when Rick knifes him and it was only a minute or two earlier. Maybe they did hear the first shot and just didn't want to show them reacting to it. Apparently the only person who heard the first shot was Carl, no one else came out of the house to investigate, it appears. Still get a kick out of Rick packing that revolver with a six inch barrel and level zero retention holster he has and also carried on duty. That went out in the 80's. Still can't help but watch but I'd like the venue to change back to residential area again.
"The Walking Dead" just "jumped the shark" in my opinion with the samari sword swinging hooded comic book looking hero.
Fantastic episode ruined by this character and her two armless/jawless walkers.
She's a fan favorite...in the comics. In the show---you might be right, it may come across as silly. The two zombies in tow arent body guards or anything if that helps. its her dead boyfriend and his buddy. .Unless they tread carefully they could change the show into a mess. They still shouldn't have killed Dale either..... heartless fiends.
(http://cinemafantastica.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/michonne.jpg)
Quote from: Jethro on March 18, 2012, 09:06:52 PM
"The Walking Dead" just "jumped the shark" in my opinion with the samari sword swinging hooded comic book looking hero.
Fantastic episode ruined by this character and her two armless/jawless walkers.
Well, all I can say is give it a chance. That character became a major player in the comic.
SPOILERS!!
Generally enjoyed the episode, especially Rick's meltdown, but thought the characters who were killed were kind of obvious choices. I guess after Dale and Shane, they didn't want to off any more of the actual speaking characters. Although how T-Dog made the cut I'm not sure. But if he's going to stick around, I hope they actually DO something with him next season.
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 18, 2012, 10:45:48 PM
Well, all I can say is give it a chance. That character became a major player in the comic.
SPOILERS!!
Generally enjoyed the episode, especially Rick's meltdown, but thought the characters who were killed were kind of obvious choices. I guess after Dale and Shane, they didn't want to off any more of the actual speaking characters. Although how T-Dog made the cut I'm not sure. But if he's going to stick around, I hope they actually DO something with him next season.
His moment to shine will be when Merle catches up with him.
Quote from: Anton Phibes on March 18, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
His moment to shine will be when Merle catches up with him.
Yeah, I was thinking that might be the only reason he didn't get eaten tonight!
I enjoy the series and will continue watching it... some observations:
Lori is a net loss.
1) She can't keep her eyes on Carl (what's with the nonsense: 'Carl was supposed to stay upstairs' line? WATCH HIM, already!!)...
2) What's with the disgust aimed at Rick after learning Carl 'finished' Shane... (a) Shane was trying to KILL Rick as a living person, then as an undead zombie, (b) Carl was in position to do this because YOU, Whore-ee Lori, weren't WATCHING HIM... AGAIN!!
Sophia's mom has had a judo chop to the throat coming for a while now.
1) She sat in the camper while her daughter was lost, as search party after search party risked life and limb looking
2) She tells RICK to 'do something'?
The zombies in this series display peculiar behavior that often seems incongruous to what the producers typically suggest their nature is.
1) Why aren't all of the dead bodies who aren't zombies picked clean BY THE ZOMBIES. They seem to exist just to eat flesh, cow, dog, human, etc------why are there ANY leftovers? You'll see 15 of them descend upon a human-------and yet there are leftovers?
2) At times they seem smart, picking up cues like 'a gunshot = a person to eat, so lets go eat him' and at other times they just seem so mindlessly stupid.
3) I understand the hooded figure is part of the comic that has her towing 2 zombies with their arms cut off and lower jaws removed------but why aren't they STILL trying to eat her? Why are THOSE 2 zombies NOT midless machines with the sole goal of eating flesh? I guess that will be explained to some degree in season 3... or perhaps not. I know the arm removal and jaw removal makes it WAAAY harder to eat something------but eating flesh is ALL THEY DO. I'd assume constant, pathetic attempts by them to devour the person towing them.
When Rick was discussing with Carl about having to go on regardless of whether Lori showed up or not, Carl gets miffed and walks away; I immediately asked/told my wife, "Why would Rick let that kid wander off again? He brings nothing but trouble, he'll probably show back up 10min later with a whole hoard of walkers chasing him!", luckily he just walked to the front of a car and sat on the hood!
SPOILER
Jimmy....I know Jimmy who?......had the dumbest death! Why didn't he drive away? Did the RV stale? It just seemed like they never did have anything to do with his character so they didn't put much effort behind him being munched!
Quote from: Sean on March 19, 2012, 09:11:05 AM
1) Why aren't all of the dead bodies who aren't zombies picked clean BY THE ZOMBIES. They seem to exist just to eat flesh, cow, dog, human, etc------why are there ANY leftovers? You'll see 15 of them descend upon a human-------and yet there are leftovers?
That is just a staple of the zombie genre, often times characters that are taken down by huge groups of zombies return later on as zombies with only a few wounds, when in reality they should be reduced to a pile of bones or be ripped apart in seconds!! Johnny (NOTLD) is probably the first example of this returning-zombiefied character that should have been a human buffet instead of the walking dead. And the logic of zombie smarts is another aspect of the zombie genre that makes little to no sense; You can again go back to NOTLD and wonder why the cemetery zombie bothers to chase Barbara when he already has a perfectly suitable-immobile meal right in front of him? If all they care about is feasting then he shouldn't have bothered with her. The cemetery zombie was also smart enough to stop his attack, find a rock and use it to smash the car's passenger window but none of the other "zombies" in the film seem that advanced!?
I was wondering about the whole "carriers of the contagion" aspect; in the Walking Dead; If all humans are carriers then shouldn't they be able to survive a non-fatal bite from a walker without eventually becoming a walker themselves?! I'm not sure if this show in particular has disobeyed that logic or not!? I was trying to think of any examples in The Walking Dead of people being bitten and then turning themselves, like Roger does in Dawn of the Dead.
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 19, 2012, 10:00:34 AM
That is just a staple of the zombie genre, often times characters that are taken down by huge groups of zombies return later on as zombies with only a few wounds, when in reality they should be reduced to a pile of bones or be ripped apart in seconds!! Johnny (NOTLD) is probably the first example of this returning-zombiefied character that should have been a human buffet instead of the walking dead.
Good point.
And the logic of zombie smarts is another aspect of the zombie genre that makes little to no sense; You can again go back to NOTLD and wonder why the cemetery zombie bothers to chase Barbara when he already has a perfectly suitable-immobile meal right in front of him? If all they care about is feasting then he shouldn't have bothered with her.
Agree.
The cemetery zombie was also smart enough to stop his attack, find a rock and use it to smash the car's passenger window but none of the other "zombies" in the film seem that advanced!?
And then, of course, the cemetery zombie who was bright enough to use the rock to smash the car window is seen in front of the house aimlessly stumbling within a 2-square foot space with no apparent goal.
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 19, 2012, 10:00:34 AM
I was wondering about the whole "carriers of the contagion" aspect; in the Walking Dead; If all humans are carriers then shouldn't they be able to survive a non-fatal bite from a walker without eventually becoming a walker themselves?! I'm not sure if this show in particular has disobeyed that logic or not!? I was trying to think of any examples in The Walking Dead of people being bitten and then turning themselves, like Roger does in Dawn of the Dead.
Yeah. What triggers the virus from it's dormant state? Saliva? Stress? Death? All of the above?
Great posts, everybody - you've been readin' my mind! Of course, it's a short read :D.
My guess on the flesh eating is the Walkers prefer the live flesh. Once a person is dead it may not taste as good.
BK
I actually love leftovers! Those zombies are finicky s.o.b.'s!
Quote from: Sean on March 19, 2012, 11:03:37 AM
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 19, 2012, 10:00:34 AM
That is just a staple of the zombie genre, often times characters that are taken down by huge groups of zombies return later on as zombies with only a few wounds, when in reality they should be reduced to a pile of bones or be ripped apart in seconds!! Johnny (NOTLD) is probably the first example of this returning-zombiefied character that should have been a human buffet instead of the walking dead.
Good point.
And the logic of zombie smarts is another aspect of the zombie genre that makes little to no sense; You can again go back to NOTLD and wonder why the cemetery zombie bothers to chase Barbara when he already has a perfectly suitable-immobile meal right in front of him? If all they care about is feasting then he shouldn't have bothered with her.
Agree.
The cemetery zombie was also smart enough to stop his attack, find a rock and use it to smash the car's passenger window but none of the other "zombies" in the film seem that advanced!?
And then, of course, the cemetery zombie who was bright enough to use the rock to smash the car window is seen in front of the house aimlessly stumbling within a 2-square foot space with no apparent goal.
Sean, the las line about the cemetery zombie "stumbling within a 2-square foot space" had me laughing out loud, I thought I was the only one who noticed how aggressive he was at the cemetery and then then has the " I don't know wether to s**t or wind my watch" look on his face while standing outside the window of the house. Still to me, Bill Hinzman will be the best zombie there ever was
The true nature and motives of the living dead, both in the Romero universe and here, remain unknowable. It's the mystery that keeps us interested. In a religious context, they can be seen as the Apocalypse. Like our human biological impulse, they seem to be driven to eat the living, but it's not clear if eating the living gives them strength or nurtures them in any way, or if the lack of food makes them rot away or starve. Even when food is readily available, they seem to be driven to kill other living beings if they are in the area. Their ultimate goal seems to be to eliminate the human race entirely which would, in turn, eliminate their only food source. This can be seen as nature's way of getting rid of a species that is causing damage to the natural world and restarting evolution, or it can be seen as the final judgement of a higher being. I don't think a definitive answer will be given, but it's hard to argue zombie logic when we can't know their thought process. It's the mystery that makes us think and keeps us coming back for more.
Well, I guess nobody looking for a major zombie attack was disappointed by the finale. Holy crap!
Guess they got rid of the deadweight last night. (The only characters less developed than "T-Dog"!) I'm not even 100% sure who those two people were? :laugh:
It's always fun speculating on what drives zombies, what their possible thought processes might be, etc. For some reason I can accept corpses reanimating and attacking people, but it's a stretch for me that these creatures can get nearly blasted to bits and still keep coming! They move around like humans, and we know humans need to have blood pumping, nerve signals traveling through the body, etc. So how does a zombie get its heart blown out with a shotgun yet continue to move around? I've thought about it and come to the conclusion that only a supernatural explanation would make sense (if that makes sense!). No virus or parasite or biological origin can account for a zombie functioning after a major injury.
Moonshadow- I agree with you 100%. Recently I was discussing this very topic with a friend and I said that , with the exception of 28 Days Later (not the Sandra Bullock version) virtually ALL zombies are supernatural...even when they have a "scientific" explanation.
Even then, they play fast and loose with their own rules.
Bodies decay pretty fast, except in extreme cold, and insects eat bodies pretty quick in warm weather (if you ever get to see one of the documentaries on the FBI Corpse Farm I highly recomend them, but avoid eating beforehand).
Quote from: Gillfan on March 19, 2012, 05:03:23 PM
Moonshadow- I agree with you 100%. Recently I was discussing this very topic with a friend and I said that , with the exception of 28 Days Later (not the Sandra Bullock version) virtually ALL zombies are supernatural...even when they have a "scientific" explanation.
Even then, they play fast and loose with their own rules.
Bodies decay pretty fast, except in extreme cold, and insects eat bodies pretty quick in warm weather (if you ever get to see one of the documentaries on the FBI Corpse Farm I highly recomend them, but avoid eating beforehand).
Gillfan, in a past life I used to do R&D for forensic DNA kits and I was an avid reader of the Journal of Forensic Science. There were cases in there -and photographs -that I'll probably remember to my dying day. Yeah, I'd like to see some movie or show depict the zombies as falling apart, being eaten up by bugs, etc. The whole zombie apocalypse really shouldn't last more than a few weeks! That's why I lean towards some sort of possession, some spirit re-animating the bodies and magically keeping them going. My logical mind can't really accept anything else!
Quote from: michblk on March 19, 2012, 12:08:37 PM
My guess on the flesh eating is the Walkers prefer the live flesh. Once a person is dead it may not taste as good.
BK
I can buy that. I know people who would drive MILES to get to a White Castle back before we had them locally. Zombies will leave something half eaten if they think fresh meat is avaliable 20 miles away.
But you'd figure when they did make a fresh kill------they'd strip it like a cattle carcass in the pirahna-infested waters of the amazon. E.g., if fresh meat was SO much more preferred, why would there ever me any left on the bone after a fresh kill?
Zombies are like 2 year old children during an Easter Egg Hunt. They find an egg, then drop it to pursue another one----even though what's inside the other one (that is located halfway across the yard---which is like miles to a toddler) is no different than what they just had in their friggin' hands. ;D
Quote from: Jethro on March 19, 2012, 01:09:51 PM
Sean, the las line about the cemetery zombie "stumbling within a 2-square foot space" had me laughing out loud, I thought I was the only one who noticed how aggressive he was at the cemetery and then then has the " I don't know wether to s**t or wind my watch" look on his face while standing outside the window of the house. Still to me, Bill Hinzman will be the best zombie there ever was
Ha! Hinzman was the GOODS. Actually, I LOVED him pivoting like a mannequin on a stick outside the house-----when we watch NOTLD, we always yell when that part comes on... and we laugh because not too much before that, he was breaking into a vehicle like a saavy carjacker. ;D
Quote from: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on March 19, 2012, 01:44:51 PM
The true nature and motives of the living dead, both in the Romero universe and here, remain unknowable. It's the mystery that keeps us interested. In a religious context, they can be seen as the Apocalypse. Like our human biological impulse, they seem to be driven to eat the living, but it's not clear if eating the living gives them strength or nurtures them in any way, or if the lack of food makes them rot away or starve. Even when food is readily available, they seem to be driven to kill other living beings if they are in the area. Their ultimate goal seems to be to eliminate the human race entirely which would, in turn, eliminate their only food source. This can be seen as nature's way of getting rid of a species that is causing damage to the natural world and restarting evolution, or it can be seen as the final judgement of a higher being. I don't think a definitive answer will be given, but it's hard to argue zombie logic when we can't know their thought process. It's the mystery that makes us think and keeps us coming back for more.
Good input, Rod. I wonder if we traded out 'zombies' and 'eat the living' with '2-year olds' and 'looking for Easter eggs' if it will help me make as much sense regarding the toddlers... ;)
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 19, 2012, 08:11:37 PM
Gillfan, in a past life I used to do R&D for forensic DNA kits and I was an avid reader of the Journal of Forensic Science. There were cases in there -and photographs -that I'll probably remember to my dying day. Yeah, I'd like to see some movie or show depict the zombies as falling apart, being eaten up by bugs, etc. The whole zombie apocalypse really shouldn't last more than a few weeks! That's why I lean towards some sort of possession, some spirit re-animating the bodies and magically keeping them going. My logical mind can't really accept anything else!
Indeed! of course, there would be new kills turning into zombies, but those numbers would dwindle. Also, it is odd no makeup effects guy ever does the liquefying face, although that is a tough look to stomach.
Thinking about the whole animal topic, I've decided that if there is ever a zombie apocalypse instead of running around looking for weapons/ammo, I'll be heading to the zoo to wrangle me some of these animals; vultures, hawks, eagles, striped hyenas, opossum, Tasmanian devils, coyotes, Komodo dragons or burying beetles, which prefer to snack on decaying/rotting flesh. I'll just set up a perimeter around a building with these critters!
Another alternative may be moving to a swampy area, I'm sure alligators would attack and snack on zombies as well!
More crazy thought on the nature of zombies:
It was mentioned that zombies move about in spite of their heart not pumping blood to their muscles. They don't need to breath, so their lungs have no use. It seems the brain is the only organ that works, sending impulses out to the body, and destroying the brain stops the zombie. What about their digestive system? They do eat. Does their stomach digest all the human flesh they consume? Or would they eventually explode from eating too much? If not, do they "use the bathroom"?
Quote from: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on March 20, 2012, 10:17:33 AM
More crazy thought on the nature of zombies:
I was thinking about the whole "crave" thing; is it gut based or brain based?! Michonne, the woman that has the two jawless/armless zombies could have gone about stopping their crave a couple of different ways; a lobotomy of sorts, disabling the crave portion of the brain or the other possibility; filling their bellies with a non-food source like rocks/gravel or something of that nature......expanding foam maybe!?! I would assume that a zombie's gut would eventually burst but that of course wouldn't stop them from eating/craving more flesh anyways, they'd just go on munching and it would all spill out of their midsection.
I do not believe that a zombie would need to relieve themselves; The brain functions enough to control muscles, every other function is shut down!
Ah...but is everything else really shut down? We know zombies smell, hear, and see, so those senses must be processed, even if in just the most rudimentary fashion.
Quote from: Gillfan on March 20, 2012, 10:45:26 AM
Ah...but is everything else really shut down? We know zombies smell, hear, and see, so those senses must be processed, even if in just the most rudimentary fashion.
Unfortunately hearing and seeing are just kind of cool on film (though they do require muscle), who wants a bunch of blind and deaf zombies bumping/stumbling around everywhere?!? Unless of course they are the Blind Dead there wouldn't be anything terrifying about that!
There are nasal muscles but of course the most important function of smelling is using your lungs, which of course a zombie has no use for! But obviously the lungs would have to function in some capacity if sense of smell is present?! There have been many instances in The Walking Dead where as long as a walker doesn't see you they go right by, have there been instances were they've used smelling in order to locate humans?! Sounds like just another aspect of zombies that is best not thought about! :)
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 20, 2012, 10:59:32 AM
There are nasal muscles but of course the most important function of smelling is using your lungs, which of course a zombie has no use for! But obviously the lungs would have to function in some capacity if sense of smell is present?! There have been many instances in The Walking Dead where as long as a walker doesn't see you they go right by, have there been instances were they've used smelling in order to locate humans?! Sounds like just another aspect of zombies that is best not thought about! :)
In season one, episode #2, Rick and Glenn covered themselves with gore from a chopped-up zombie to walk through the streets of Atlanta unharmed. A zombie girl walked up to Glenn at one point and made a point of sniffing him. Clearly, zombies in the show *can* smell the difference between the living and other zombies. I'm guessing it has to be at close range though.
George
I know it it's probably no big deal to most people but did anybody notice Hershell fire about 17 rounds through his shotgun without reloading it? A Remington 870 shotgun holds four rounds plus one in the chamber. When he fired there was no recoil and I'm pretty sure the flash was computer generated. Also, when they arrived at the CDC building in season !, there were M-4 carbines laying around which no one picked up and would have been an excellent weapon to use, probably thousands of rounds of ammo nearby too.
Reminds me of watching Combat as a kid when Vic Morrow would shoot hundreds of rounds from his 30 shot magazine in his Thompson without reloading. Or The Man from Uncle would escape from something and karate chop a THRUSH bad guy and not take his gun.
I did notice that, Jethro!
Yep, noticed the "never needs loading"-video game shotgun as well
And good call on the two "scent" instances ramsey37, I'd forgotten those.
I remember the scene in Season One where Rick had to get all covered in stinky guts so the zombies wouldn't smell him. For some reason, in the first episode of Season Two all they had to do was hide under broken down cars and a whole herd of zombies would walk right by and not smell anybody.
Quote from: Radioactive Rod Whitenack on March 20, 2012, 04:33:13 PM
I remember the scene in Season One where Rick had to get all covered in stinky guts so the zombies wouldn't smell him. For some reason, in the first episode of Season Two all they had to do was hide under broken down cars and a whole herd of zombies would walk right by and not smell anybody.
Perhaps by season 2, nobody smelled very fresh, living or dead.
Quote from: Gillfan on March 20, 2012, 05:23:58 PM
Perhaps by season 2, nobody smelled very fresh, living or dead.
And any shower taken after they reached the farm was taken with fat, bloated zombie-schmutz well water. :o
Quote from: Unknown Primate on March 20, 2012, 02:00:28 PM
I did notice that, Jethro!
Me too! I kept waiting for him to reload... it was like, WTF?? But then, they also had everyone head-shotting zombies while zipping around the farm. It's night, the targets are moving (albeit slowly) the cars are moving and bouncing...yet these mostly untrained people are taking out walker after walker! And really, the things are so slow, couldn't they have just stopped or driven slowly to shoot them?
I also wondered why they didn't use farm machinery to try to kill them.
I don't know what they are called, but the big cutter thangs on a tractor used during harvest time should wreck havoc on zombies
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Also, I think that if I had been them, with all thise time on the farm, I would have dug a dozen or so Burmese Tiger Pits.
Quote from: Gillfan on March 21, 2012, 05:24:58 AM
I also wondered why they didn't use farm machinery to try to kill them.
I don't know what they are called, but the big cutter thangs on a tractor used during harvest time should wreck havoc on zombies
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Also, I think that if I had been them, with all thise time on the farm, I would have dug a dozen or so Burmese Tiger Pits.
The farm equipment probably wouldn't have been kept near the house, so it wouldn't be practical to wade through a sea of zombies to go get the tractor. Also, a tractor driver would be pretty exposed to zombie attack. At least in a truck or car, you'd have *some* protection.
The tiger pits aren't a bad thought, but I think most of the group was too preoccupied with their own drama to really think about walkers showing up enmasse. People don't always make the best decisions in crisis situations ;)
George
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 20, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
Me too! I kept waiting for him to reload... it was like, WTF?? But then, they also had everyone head-shotting zombies while zipping around the farm. It's night, the targets are moving (albeit slowly) the cars are moving and bouncing...yet these mostly untrained people are taking out walker after walker! And really, the things are so slow, couldn't they have just stopped or driven slowly to shoot them?
Did you not watch the show? when Maggie and Glen stopped the car, zombies were all over it....yeah, slowing down or stopping is a brilliant idea...not.
Perhaps he reloaded during all the commotion?? the camera wasn't always on Hershel...so who knows, maybe he did reload??
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on March 21, 2012, 10:42:28 AM
Did you not watch the show? when Maggie and Glen stopped the car, zombies were all over it....yeah, slowing down or stopping is a brilliant idea...not.
His point wasn't that they should have been stopping to shoot the zombies but that the likely hood of hitting a moving target (albeit a slow one) from a moving vehicle is highly unlikely....even for someone with years and years of training!
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on March 21, 2012, 10:42:28 AM
Perhaps he reloaded during all the commotion?? the camera wasn't always on Hershel...so who knows, maybe he did reload??
I don't think that the amount of time that the camera was not on Herschel was sufficient enough for reloading and he would have had to have pockets full of shells as well! I didn't count the shots but I think he went well over 5 during one of his melees!
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on March 21, 2012, 10:42:28 AM
Did you not watch the show? when Maggie and Glen stopped the car, zombies were all over it....yeah, slowing down or stopping is a brilliant idea...not.
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 21, 2012, 10:52:05 AM
His point wasn't that they should have been stopping to shoot the zombies but that the likely hood of hitting a moving target (albeit a slow one) from a moving vehicle is highly unlikely....even for someone with years and years of training!
Exactly, especially when you add to it the fact that they would have to make head shots each time! I just don't think they would be doing anything other than wasting ammo that way. Besides, there were plenty of times during that attack where it appeared that the folks in the cars had a lot of room around them to take a few steady shots and drive on.
Quote from: Dr.Teufel Geist on March 21, 2012, 10:42:28 AM
Did you not watch the show? when Maggie and Glen stopped the car, zombies were all over it....yeah, slowing down or stopping is a brilliant idea...not.
Perhaps he reloaded during all the commotion?? the camera wasn't always on Hershel...so who knows, maybe he did reload??
I watched it again last nite and the 17 shots were consecutive even with the camera off of Hershell. Not only that, the camera was on him the whole time he cranked off about seven shots from a five shot gun. Just after the volley of shots, Hershell reaches into his pocket and then reloads. Also, after he blasts the zombies, there are only two or three on the ground when there should've been at least 13 or 14 given a miss or two. One more thing, I saw a scene where you could see a large ammount of breath comming from a zombie which the CGI man missed. It's happens right when the entire barn is engulfed the the zombies walks from left to right close to the camera and just prior to going of screen a huge cloud comes out of its mouth. From what they said, it was 27 degrees and there breath had to be edited out. Still can't wait for season three.
Is it too late to say that I think everyone on this thread is a douche? I'm just getting caught up. :D
Thats why i stopped watching the A-team in the 80's, just made it to unbelievable. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Scatter on March 21, 2012, 05:51:16 PM
Is it too late to say that I think everyone on this thread is a douche? I'm just getting caught up. :D
Don't you mean a Walking Douche?!
Quote from: Scatter on March 21, 2012, 05:51:16 PM
Is it too late to say that I think everyone on this thread is a douche? I'm just getting caught up. :D
Yeah, where the HELL have you been on that?!!? ;)
If EVERYONE is a douche... then no one is a douche. And we all KNOW Charles Grodin's character in King Kong was a douche. ;D
You guys are waaay over-thinking this. We're not watching some PBS documentary on the sex life of gnats, this is just good old-fashioned popcorn entertainment. Just sit back, suspend disbelief, and let the blood flow.
Quote from: Mord on March 21, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
You guys are waaay over-thinking this. We're not watching some PBS documentary on the sex life of gnats, this is just good old-fashioned popcorn entertainment. Just sit back, suspend disbelief, and let the blood flow.
Oh,... O.K.
I wondered why I never saw any gnats mating. Go figure. ;D
Quote from: Unknown Primate on March 18, 2012, 05:27:33 PM
Well, in Moonshadow's (and my) world, 8 feet & 400 lbs. of Frankenstein Monster would arrive and kick zombie ass!
How did I miss this before? Darn right U.P.! Franky would have that axe out, cleaving skulls like a Viking!
Hey...Frankenstein Viking...hmmmm....
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http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6743808/10-reasons-why-the-walking-dead-should-just-kill-carl (http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6743808/10-reasons-why-the-walking-dead-should-just-kill-carl)
Quote from: Gillfan on March 22, 2012, 05:35:45 AM
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http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6743808/10-reasons-why-the-walking-dead-should-just-kill-carl (http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6743808/10-reasons-why-the-walking-dead-should-just-kill-carl)
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All of the flaws in WD, and their discussion here took me back to high school. I have always been into horror films. Especially the oldies. Word got around....even to my teachers.
I was asked by a teacher once, how I could watch Romero zombie flicks and not have a million questions. She used logic to suggest that since zombies were essentially rotting flesh---how was it they could distinguish living folks from dead folks to seek them out specifically to eat. She went on to say that eyes would be useless (rotting), olfactory senses would be gone(since the things arent breathing), sense of touch/pain would be gone (evidenced by the fact that you can fill them fulla holes and they just keep coming), and then she quit. Leaving the remaining 2 senses unscathed. Taste and hearing. She noted the whole thing too unbelievable for her to subject herself to.
So I wrote her a zombie story for a short story assignment. In it, I had a scientist's journal found. A narrative that explained that because zombies were dead, and deprived of most sensation and senses they had formerly been accustomed to---they were angry. They no longer could form thoughts beyond instinct. They could no longer speak, and it kept them in a perpetual state of frustration.
Having been deprived of three of the five senses, the remaining two were augmented to the point of madness. All that remained was an overwhelming desire to silence the deafening sounds of heartbeats and rushing blood and to eat. They didnt attack each other because they didnt bother one another. No heart beats, no blood rushing, no voices to mock them, and remind them what they once were...and could never be again.
She liked the story---but then went on to comment that the brains and hairs within the ears would rot too, as would their tongues...so no taste.
Some people just cannot allow themselves to enjoy horror. They use logic to dismiss the genre. But the real reason is: THEY ARE JUST PLAIN SCARED OF WHAT'S UNDER THE BED OR IN THE CLOSET.
Just thought I would share. ;) :D
Quote from: Mord on March 21, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
You guys are waaay over-thinking this. We're not watching some PBS documentary on the sex life of gnats, this is just good old-fashioned popcorn entertainment. Just sit back, suspend disbelief, and let the blood flow.
I don't think the show is going for a "good old-fashioned popcorn entertainment" vibe, leave that to zombie flicks like; House of the Dead, Return of the Living Dead 1-5, Dead Alive, etc. This show is going for drama and more importantly apart from dead bodies coming back to life, reality! I don't think anyone here is letting these lacks in continuity/reality/reasoning ruin the show, just opening them up for discussion.
I've always wondered in all zombie movies how people could even stand there and do anything against a horde of zombies (or even a few zombies)....have you ever smelt rotting flesh/meat!? It is enough to bring one to their knees! Or why is it people so cautiously enter a room wondering if there are zombies in it? Again, you'd be able to smell if there was a dead body (or walking one) before you even entered the room. It's just one of those suspensions of disbelief that are needed when watching a great (or even a bad) zombie flick.
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 22, 2012, 11:21:15 AM
I don't think the show is going for a "good old-fashioned popcorn entertainment" vibe, leave that to zombie flicks like; House of the Dead, Return of the Living Dead 1-5, Dead Alive, etc. This show is going for drama and more importantly apart from dead bodies coming back to life, reality! I don't think anyone here is letting these lacks in continuity/reality/reasoning ruin the show, just opening them up for discussion.
I've always wondered in all zombie movies how people could even stand there and do anything against a horde of zombies (or even a few zombies)....have you ever smelt rotting flesh/meat!? It is enough to bring one to their knees! Or why is it people so cautiously enter a room wondering if there are zombies in it? Again, you'd be able to smell if there was a dead body (or walking one) before you even entered the room. It's just one of those suspensions of disbelief that are needed when watching a great (or even a bad) zombie flick.
I agree with you here. I thought the show was going for closeness to reality as possible. Something not seen since in my opinion, the original Night of the Living Dead. And I beleive it is headed in the direction of "popcorn entertainment" with the introduction of the new character with her zombies in tow and the firearms display. Are we going to see Hershell shooting two pump action shotguns at the same time just for the sake "action"? I'm critical because I think this could have been handled with more attention to what would really happen as apposed to video game/comic book nonsense I'm starting to see.
The internet is going to ruin zombies.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/46154/do-zombies-poop-an-investigation (http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/46154/do-zombies-poop-an-investigation)
Do Zombies Poop? An Investigation
By Mark Lisanti on March 21, 2012 3:30 PM ET
Late last night, in accordance with New Media for the Modern Showrunner Handbook guidelines, The Walking Dead executive producer Glen Mazzara took to Twitter to interact with fans of the series he inherited halfway through its tumultuous second season. While he did respond to queries — like, "Michonne is the most unrealistic character from the comics, why choose to bring her in?" and, "Which of the survivors from S2 would u want to party with?" (Answers: they have a good storyline for her; Maggie) — he notably dodged one inquisition, which, in fairness, perhaps could have been posed in a more clinical fashion to better communicate its unquestionable import: Do zombies poop?
blah blah, more at the link.
About the stink of rotting flesh being a dead give-away issue, has anyone pondered the possibility that these are a more sophisticated, better groomed breed of zombies that have discovered perfume somehow? Just another point to consider.
Im pretty sure the whole world smells at this point, and they are used to it. It s like smelling a can of rotten tuna in a pile of rotting fish!
Zombies would only poop if there was an active digestive system. I thought only the brain was functioning.
Quote from: Anton Phibes on March 22, 2012, 10:13:48 PM
Zombies would only poop if there was an active digestive system. I thought only the brain was functioning.
All kinds of muscle groups are deployed by zombies. How do they chew? Swallow? My guess is that they poop... but that they are chronically constipated and that issues of impaction are prevalent.
Here's an incongruency that presents a problem: The Walking Dead zombies don't breathe. They even went through the painstaking task of removing their visible breath from the last episode... BUT... Walking Dead zombies DO vocalize... and air/ breath is needed to generate even utterances. Zombies that don't breathe CANNOT make vocal sounds. Period.
Quote from: Sean on March 23, 2012, 12:15:30 AM
Here's an incongruency that presents a problem: The Walking Dead zombies don't breathe. They even went through the painstaking task of removing their visible breath from the last episode... BUT... Walking Dead zombies DO vocalize... and air/ breath is needed to generate even utterances. Zombies that don't breathe CANNOT make vocal sounds. Period.
Yep, yet another suspension of disbelief present in most zombie flicks! One that has always stood out to me is when reanimated heads talk; Return of the Living Dead 2, Re-Animator, Cemetery Man, etc.! ???
I remember reading about the video game Dead Island and part of the article mentioned there were going to be several ways to dispatch zombies, one of which would be drowning them?!?!
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 23, 2012, 08:48:13 AM
Yep, yet another suspension of disbelief present in most zombie flicks! One that has always stood out to me is when reanimated heads talk; Return of the Living Dead 2, Re-Animator, Cemetery Man, etc.! ???
I remember reading about the video game Dead Island and part of the article mentioned there were going to be several ways to dispatch zombies, one of which would be drowning them?!?!
It seems incongruous, doesn't it? That's why I lean towards a supernatural explanation with zombies. Most supernatural critters have some sort of specialized -in some cases, ritualized -way of dispatching them. Think of vampires and werewolves. You could shoot a werewolf repeatedly to no effect, but you can beat him to death with a silver tipped cane! Makes no sense, but, hey, it's magic. With zombies, you can blow them apart and yet they keep moving. But take out the brain and down they go, which again makes little sense -unless it's all magical. Modern zombies in film seem to owe less to the voodoo cults and more to the legends of revenants and ghouls. There were certain ways to ensure that these creatures stayed dead. What we've lost nowadays in films is the idea that religious symbolism or the involvement of clergy could stop these monsters. I can imagine a priest standing before a mob of zombies, commanding them back to their graves - he'd quickly become a zombie picnic.
I like your style, Moonshadow.
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 23, 2012, 10:05:48 AM
That's why I lean towards a supernatural explanation with zombies.
That's why I lean toward just ignoring such inconsistencies!
If there were any supernatural element to them it would surely be included in the plot of a given film; Modern zombie films have all but gotten rid of any supernatural explanation; virus, contagion, chemical and biological reasons are used as the catalyst for zombies. Surely in the zombie days of old if you fatally shot a somnambulist-voodoo zombie in any part of its body it would take them out?!
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 23, 2012, 03:49:22 PM
That's why I lean toward just ignoring such inconsistencies!
If there were any supernatural element to them it would surely be included in the plot of a given film; Modern zombie films have all but gotten rid of any supernatural explanation; virus, contagion, chemical and biological reasons are used as the catalyst for zombies. Surely in the zombie days of old if you fatally shot a somnambulist-voodoo zombie in any part of its body it would take them out?!
I just like thinking about this stuff, just like wondering about super-hero powers or faster than light travel, anything that doesn't have a solid explanation. But I do expect a book or movie to have some sort of internal consistency; that is, if they say you can only kill a zombie by a brain shot, then they better stick to it.
Nowadays it seems like zombies have been mostly removed from purely supernatural origins, but I think many films leave a bit of a mystery as to how and why the zombies are there. After all, even in Dawn of the Dead, we were told, "When there's no more room in Hell, the dead shall walk the earth!" I like a little ambiguity. Who's to say that the zombie virus might not be the work of the infernal regions?
Quote from: Unknown Primate on March 23, 2012, 03:37:14 PM
I like your style, Moonshadow.
Right back atcha buddy! ;)
I think zombies just eat until they bust, and after that it all just falls out the hole(s).
As far as the explination of the zombies for the walking dead comics. I know in the letters section in the early WD comics Kirkman mentioned several times that his story isnt focused on the zombies, and he hadn't planned on explaining what caused the outbreak., its about the people in the situation and how they survive. Part of the story was them not knowing how it happened. Left wondering. we the audience dont know any more than the characters do. which alot of zombie movies etc.. often showed us what happened ie. chemical release, God version, monkey attack,etc... the comic was written in 2004 which seemed like a fresh concept at that time. Even the nicknames for the zombies came through the caracters trying to understand what they were. walkers, roamers, etc. This is a phenominal comic and if you havent read it, I strongly urge you to. the back issues are very expensive but you can get the compiled hardbacks 10 issues per book for a reasonable sum. You wont be dissapointed.
Can we get a doctor, scientist, or priest to answer our pressing questions (or, at the very least, a comic book writer).
BTW, if zombies did poop, wouldn't they be stepping in it every time they walked in a field? It would be a dead giveaway to the zombies location. I mean, I would think that undead poop would smell way worse than regular poop.
I really don't wish to get too technical in real life/actual death vs. zombies. Because if we went "by the book" and didn't just use the Star Trek method of "making this crap up as we go"....... all of the male zombies would be frightfully embarrassed. Thats all I'm sayin'. :-[ :-X
Quote from: Anton Phibes on March 23, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
I really don't wish to get too technical in real life/actual death vs. zombies. Because if we went "by the book" and didn't just use the Star Trek method of "making this crap up as we go"....... all of the male zombies would be frightfully embarrassed. Thats all I'm sayin'. :-[ :-X
It was shrinkage!!!
george costanza - i was in the pool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUNNKzj_Nc#)
Quote from: Toy Ranch on March 23, 2012, 06:14:54 PM
I think zombies just eat until they bust, and after that it all just falls out the hole(s).
Constipation & impaction resulting in perforation. I'll buy that. They do not get enough liquids. But they DO walk around a lot---aiding the digestive process. STILL, you never see them drink. ;)
Quote from: Anton Phibes on March 23, 2012, 09:08:08 PM
I really don't wish to get too technical in real life/actual death vs. zombies. Because if we went "by the book" and didn't just use the Star Trek method of "making this crap up as we go"....... all of the male zombies would be frightfully embarrassed. Thats all I'm sayin'. :-[ :-X
Some more than others, Phibes----you rathscallion. ;D
As they say: some are for growin' and some are for showin'. :o
Quote from: Moonshadow on March 23, 2012, 11:05:42 PM
It was shrinkage!!!
george costanza - i was in the pool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cUNNKzj_Nc#)
Karen! Haha!
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I like some of the hair on the zombies. This is a great make up job-------but what are we supposed to think this guy was doing with his hair as a member of the living? He wears a sportscoat, so it's unlikely he went to Kurt Cobain's barber. He hasn't been dead THAT long for the hair to be THAT far removed from how he wore it when alive... Who is he-----Donald ? ;D
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Quote from: Sean on March 24, 2012, 08:48:25 AM
Constipation & impaction resulting in perforation. I'll buy that. They do not get enough liquids. But they DO walk around a lot---aiding the digestive process. STILL, you never see them drink. ;)
These damn zombies need to eat more people who eat fiber :D...
Quote from: Unknown Primate on March 24, 2012, 01:14:44 PM
These damn zombies need to eat more people who eat fiber :D...
Or wear hemp clothing. ;)
Gotcha!!
Quote from: zombiehorror on March 21, 2012, 10:52:05 AM
His point wasn't that they should have been stopping to shoot the zombies but that the likely hood of hitting a moving target (albeit a slow one) from a moving vehicle is highly unlikely....even for someone with years and years of training!
I don't think that the amount of time that the camera was not on Herschel was sufficient enough for reloading and he would have had to have pockets full of shells as well! I didn't count the shots but I think he went well over 5 during one of his melees!
I know what his point was, I bloody read it with my eyes...I hammered in my opinion on the subject, like everyone else has. >:D