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Title: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: tfig8 on January 26, 2013, 01:56:27 PM
Hi Guys,
I'm new here, but I am a long time collector.

I have a one of a kind Life Size Frankenstein, an exact mold of Boris Karloff, down to the finger prints. He was created by Universal to promote the movie Bride of Frankenstein. He looks incredible.

I have decided to part with him- I was wondering if anyone out here might be interested in it? This is not a third party creation or a prop that was mass produced. He was created by Universal Pictures.

Complete provenance available. Serious inquires only, please. Sorry guys, but this is a high-end item  :o

thanks everyone,
8)
 
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: GregJ on January 26, 2013, 03:25:13 PM
Photos?
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: westbatman on January 27, 2013, 01:40:30 PM
Antonio wrote me about his figure and I mentioned he might try here after he joins and introduces himself.

https://picasaweb.google.com/109603647443151686248/FrankensteinMoldOfBorisKarloff?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOzbnMTLkbmDogE&feat=directlink (https://picasaweb.google.com/109603647443151686248/FrankensteinMoldOfBorisKarloff?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOzbnMTLkbmDogE&feat=directlink)

Andy
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Gillfan on January 27, 2013, 01:45:49 PM
Can you tell us more about the provenance?
Assuming all checks out, this piece deserves to be in a major auction, not sold on a message board.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Scary Terry on January 27, 2013, 03:35:46 PM
Are there vintage pics of this? Where/how was it used?  Out of my collecting league, of course -- but I'm curious as heck.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: zombiehorror on January 27, 2013, 04:22:35 PM
Definitely a cool piece...but out of my price range as well!!  What is the statue made of!?
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monster Bob on January 27, 2013, 05:11:59 PM


The head is made of silicone, so obviously "newer", aka not 1935, which is what I assumed.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: ilikemonsters on January 27, 2013, 05:23:01 PM
Was this made for a Video or DVD release ?
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: zombiehorror on January 27, 2013, 05:34:55 PM
Quote from: Monster Bob on January 27, 2013, 05:11:59 PM

The head is made of silicone, so obviously "newer", aka not 1935, which is what I assumed.

That's kind of what I figured.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monster Bob on January 27, 2013, 08:52:55 PM

I'd like to see how it can be proven that it actually sports Karloff's fingerprints, or how they would have been obtained.



BTW, THIS is a movie-era (1935) BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN promo head, made of wax, wood, glass, and hair.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g107/backlotcharlie/DSC03089-2-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Gillfan on January 27, 2013, 11:05:30 PM
Monster Bob, your collection continues to amaze!
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: tfig8 on January 28, 2013, 12:30:15 AM
Hey Guys,
I didn't want to post images until I could totally figure out the details of the figure. It's clearly not from 1935 as was suggested to me- After communicating with many collectors and some artist the information still isn't completely clear.

What I understand is that the hands and legs are more than likely CineArt - which have been beautifully customized. The head is unknown.  I've spoken with artist who are very familiar with the CineArt head, and they stated that it;s not a CineArt head. Also, I'm not sure if it's silicone- One collector has stated it is made of Wax, but I'm not certain.

I was told that this was a promotional item - created by a Universal Pictures Artist and used for promotional purposes. I am still working on figuring out exactly where it came from. I have the name of the Artist who created him, however I haven't been able to find any other solid details. I had what I thought was a solid provenance, but after researching and investigating it seems that provenance isn't exactly what I was given. Thanks to many of the good people on this board for helping me out.  Nonetheless - this life size figure is highly detailed and beautiful. I haven't seen another like it nor have many of the country's top collectors. So there is still some potential for this unique Frankenstein.   
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Fester on January 28, 2013, 01:22:23 AM
Looks like something from a wax museum. 
Any dead Madame Tussaud museums (or knock offs) in the area?

I Noticed the right index finger is missing in the photos.  So, what is the hand made of?  Silicone?  If so, that puts it in the early 1950s at best.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on January 28, 2013, 02:54:24 AM
Not familiar with the bust or artist - It's attractive but not original to the figure.

But the body is all Cine ART.  The hands and feet are most definitely Cine ART issues.  I have an original salesman's 3-ring binder and they match EXACTLY.

Hands have been made darker than originally issued, but even then the knuckles and fingernails were blackened. 

The body type and pose is just the standard Cine ART Frank with clothes that have been darkened to improve the original green jacket color.*  The Cine ART stone base is missing – but, viewing the pictures side-by-side with my saleman's book, there is no mistaking what it is.

Circa 1995-2000.

Looks a lot like a Cine ART full-body figure fell off a loading dock and was salvaged with a replacement bust.

Try to love it for what it is.


* Actually, only one of the salesman's binder pictures make the jacket look green.  All of the others look black.  Must have been flash reflection off the material.



Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Toy Ranch on January 28, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
I think the head is Cine Arts as well. At least it started in life as a Cine Arts head, and was probably recast and retooled a bit. The main elements match the Cine Arts head, I think.  The 2nd head staple is rougher, like it was cast and applied. There are fewer details, like forehead wrinkles, etc. and it's overall smoother. No texturing around the burn scar, which is barely visible. If someone made a cast of a Cine Arts head, retooled it a little to turn it into a "Bride" era monster, and spit it out, I think that is what it is.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: zombiehorror on January 28, 2013, 11:01:00 AM
Found some pics over at http://www.therpf.com/f9/lifesize-karloff-frankenstein-figure-finished-now-lol-83773/ (http://www.therpf.com/f9/lifesize-karloff-frankenstein-figure-finished-now-lol-83773/) of someone's Frankenstein statue!

The arms/hands are from MBPFX, foam fulled urethene, bust from Cineart!

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8190/1002647.jpg)(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6817/1002648u.jpg)(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7563/1002649t.jpg)(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2971/1002650y.jpg)(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1530/1002713f.jpg)(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6164/1002711y.jpg)(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2046/1002714u.jpg)(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7633/1002833b.jpg)


The guy also tried a Howard S. studio bust on the statue........

(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2838/1002913k.jpg)

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5263/1002914.jpg)

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4807/1002915f.jpg)

Safe to say those are the same hands/arms!  But the bust?!  Of the few monster Bride of Frankenstein busts I found online none of them are the one used for tfig8's statue!, it may be a one off piece or as others have mentioned a retooled piece?!
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: westbatman on January 28, 2013, 12:56:53 PM
I figured you guys would be able to help him out. I thought it looked like silicone but wasn't sure. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monster Bob on January 28, 2013, 01:23:06 PM


Those are the hands alright. So where did the "Boris Karloff's fingerprints" thing come from? That is such a wacky claim!
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: tfig8 on January 28, 2013, 02:05:20 PM
Unfortunately I cannot edit my Post, but I was simply going off of information I had received. There is no need to be rude- You could have said that to me while we were exchanging emails. I was told that is was an exact mold of Boris's hands - I wasn't aware that they were produced by CineArt. Are people allow to make mistakes? Anyways...... If I get more concrete information on him - I will repost it. Thx

In my opinion this is a well crafted/detailed Frankenstein. It looks amazing in person and it also much different than all of the one's I've seen posted.  At this point I am simply trying to figure out the exact details and find a new home for him. I have the artist name, but I haven't been able to find anything on him.
If someone out here appreciates my Frankenstein and is interested in it, then please reach out because it's still for sale and I'm sure would make a nice addition to any collection.

thank you,

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XmhPeIeOMSI/UPwrfd-B5aI/AAAAAAAAFic/8IVs_kPuuIs/s800/frankenstein.5jpg.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Mdxm7QnUL7A/UPwrfNmneAI/AAAAAAAAFiU/N5Ze0dzEm4M/s800/frankenstein.4jpg.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Ea6XnqODPrY/UPwreAGj4AI/AAAAAAAAFh8/7fqAHbdIsJk/s800/frankenstein.1jpg.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Z3kaVAL_dqo/UPwro94iUYI/AAAAAAAAFlM/mdb6oJe0bzU/s800/frankenstein.27jpg.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-juBmkVBnZxU/UPwrh6lssOI/AAAAAAAAFjM/u89LbwEFYsU/s800/frankenstein.11jpg.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vJY6wsByDGI/UPwriIsdIbI/AAAAAAAAFjU/D95_zC0Nyvw/s800/frankenstein.12jpg.jpg)

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JGGJQR6kShA/UPwrjvo55qI/AAAAAAAAFj0/5XYFGEd-lsg/s800/frankenstein.16jpg.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vzMuHWST3K4/UPwrlR_8U9I/AAAAAAAAFkU/57AMVbeLVVY/s800/frankenstein.20jpg.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-l12KP2kkNSI/UPwrf4RrTBI/AAAAAAAAFik/H1fT-rEabQk/s800/frankenstein.6jpg.jpg)


Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on January 28, 2013, 02:12:30 PM

I am still uncertain about the bust.  But the rest of the figure is pure Cine ART.



This is the original Cine ART salesman's 3-ring binder - open to hands illustrations:


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8075/8423743587_97f328249a_z.jpg)


Here are a couple of close-ups:


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8377/8423744591_62f1fbfc93_b.jpg)


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8518/8423744639_144c32fe98_b.jpg)


Close-up of boot detail:


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8228/8423744707_e0ae5fa656_c.jpg)


The full figure as pictured in their binder:


(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8423744813_e726595a25_c.jpg)

In person, the picture on the right makes the jacket look very green - just flash reflection.


(Looks like the guys enjoyed playing darts during breaks.)
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: zombiehorror on January 28, 2013, 02:22:02 PM
Quote from: tfig8 on January 28, 2013, 02:05:20 PM
In my opinion this is a well crafted/detailed Frankenstein. It looks amazing in person and it also much different than all of the one's I've seen posted.

I really dig that bust, I wouldn't say it is 100% screen accurate but I dig it just the same!  It'd be cool to find out just what it is and who made it.

(http://media.liveauctiongroup.net/i/9646/10499518_1.jpg?v=8CE70FE16933990)
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on January 28, 2013, 02:30:42 PM
Quote from: tfig8 on January 28, 2013, 02:05:20 PM
Unfortunately I cannot edit my Post, but I was simply going off of information I had received. There is no need to be rude- You could have said that to me while we were exchanging emails. I was told that is was an exact mold of Boris's hands - I wasn't aware that they were produced by CineArt. Are people allow to make mistakes? Anyways...... If I get more concrete information on him - I will repost it. Thx...



I apologize if any of MY posts seemed rude to you.  I tend to be terse sometimes.  I was merely being descriptive of the figure.  I make no judgements about its worth or your integrity.

My admonition to you, "Love it for what it is", might have seemed sarcastic.  I was being sincere.  Don't fixate on when or how it was made, just enjoy the figure for itself.  It is still very cool.

The Cine ART full figure had a number of upgrade options and several different prices.  It started at a MSRP of $11,150.00. 

Since your figure has has been modified and suffered some damage to the hands, it would be difficult to assign a firm "value" to it.  As in all such things, it is worth what a collector is willing to pay.

Bride of Frankenstein is often cited as being a better movie than the original.  I'm sure many collectors would prefer the Bride makeup to the original issue.

Good luck in finding just the right person to buy your Frank.

Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monster Bob on January 28, 2013, 02:32:56 PM
  :)
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: tfig8 on January 28, 2013, 02:49:46 PM
No Worries Guys... Sorry... I'm new here and I'm obviously just a little confused..  :o
I want to provide accuracy, and honestly thought I was, but I was mistaken and unfortunately I couldn't edit the post.
I've communicated with a few people via email so I hope I've been able to explain myself clearly.
This was an expensive piece, and I feel, based on the craftsmanship, that it is was worth it. But that is simply my opinion- So I hope the images do this some justice. It's worth what the individual is willing to pay for it. I know it was worth it for me.

thanks!!  :P

(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-epIFV_veMbI/UPwrn9XEH-I/AAAAAAAAFk8/7i1talLr8h0/s800/frankenstein.25jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on January 28, 2013, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: tfig8 on January 28, 2013, 02:49:46 PM
No Worries Guys... Sorry... I'm new here and I'm obviously just a little confused..  :o ...

You don't need to be new to be confused.  Just ask anyone about me.

Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: tfig8 on January 29, 2013, 04:26:47 PM
Quote from: Monsters For Sale on January 28, 2013, 02:54:31 PM
You don't need to be new to be confused.  Just ask anyone about me.

hahaha...  That's funny, Adam. Thanks for all the information.


I have confirmation from two of the industries top artist stating that the bust is not CineArt.

It's a nice unique piece- If anyone is interested please contact me.

thank you,
;D
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: foolish mortal on January 29, 2013, 09:09:45 PM
Love the bust.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: tfig8 on February 10, 2013, 06:29:03 PM
Still available.

:blank:
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: ob1al on February 27, 2013, 04:31:42 AM
Quote from: zombiehorror on January 28, 2013, 11:01:00 AM
Found some pics over at http://www.therpf.com/f9/lifesize-karloff-frankenstein-figure-finished-now-lol-83773/ (http://www.therpf.com/f9/lifesize-karloff-frankenstein-figure-finished-now-lol-83773/) of someone's Frankenstein statue!

The arms/hands are from MBPFX, foam fulled urethene, bust from Cineart!

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8190/1002647.jpg)(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6817/1002648u.jpg)(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7563/1002649t.jpg)(http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/2971/1002650y.jpg)(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/1530/1002713f.jpg)(http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/6164/1002711y.jpg)(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2046/1002714u.jpg)(http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/7633/1002833b.jpg)


The guy also tried a Howard S. studio bust on the statue........

(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2838/1002913k.jpg)

(http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5263/1002914.jpg)

(http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4807/1002915f.jpg)

Safe to say those are the same hands/arms!  But the bust?!  Of the few monster Bride of Frankenstein busts I found online none of them are the one used for tfig8's statue!, it may be a one off piece or as others have mentioned a retooled piece?!

That's my old Frankie statue. I tried 3 different heads on there, eventually settled with the Howard S bust.

:)

Back to the OP - I think it's possibly a cineart staue with a swapped-out silicone head. I don't know who sculpted the head, but it's nicely done none the less.

Still a great piece.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: FRANKEinstein on March 06, 2013, 12:22:28 AM
Quote from: Toy Ranch on January 28, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
I think the head is Cine Arts as well. At least it started in life as a Cine Arts head, and was probably recast and retooled a bit. The main elements match the Cine Arts head, I think.  The 2nd head staple is rougher, like it was cast and applied. There are fewer details, like forehead wrinkles, etc. and it's overall smoother. No texturing around the burn scar, which is barely visible. If someone made a cast of a Cine Arts head, retooled it a little to turn it into a "Bride" era monster, and spit it out, I think that is what it is.

I totally agree!
Although it is a nice piece, I do believe it started out
as just ONE of the many reproduced / re-manufactured Cineart franks.

I gotta say, the Cineart frank....why does it look soooooo skinny?
Totally unproportional..looks like he could fall over from a sneeze,  :o

I marvel at  ALL the care taken by Cineart to accurately represent (Karloff) the Monster,
in the sculpting of the head and hands.....yet they obviously were asleep when it came to the body! I believe the body is a joke, really.

Franky's not so imposing with sticks for legs and hanging off his (non existent) butt, lol!
Just imagine if they made the body to proper proportions!
Now THAT would have been great!

Jeff
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: FRANKEinstein on March 07, 2013, 03:46:13 AM
I knew I saw this bust before!
Just found it online...

Lee Lambert posted pics of it on Flikr from Maskfest 2 ( May, 2010.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thehma/4596108326/#in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thehma/4596108326/#in/photostream)

Lee....do you remember seeing a name to this sculpt? ???
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Dr. Madd on March 08, 2013, 06:54:27 AM
It's a cool, awesome piece, but I'm certain FAR beyond my financial capabilities.  Whether CINEart or not, original head- or not- I am digging the piece. But I'm poor folks and can't buy it, so my opinion here is a about useless.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 08, 2013, 07:10:38 AM
Quote from: FRANKEinstein on March 07, 2013, 03:46:13 AM
I knew I saw this bust before!
Just found it online...

Lee Lambert posted pics of it on Flikr from Maskfest 2 ( May, 2010.)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thehma/4596108326/#in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/thehma/4596108326/#in/photostream)

Lee....do you remember seeing a name to this sculpt? ???


Good eye.  You nailed it!

Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: John Pertwee on March 09, 2013, 12:59:46 PM
If only it was not missing a finger. That is all I would see if I had it in my collection.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: propman on March 09, 2013, 02:28:37 PM
Did anyone else receive a spam PM from this guy trying to sell this?  I've never posted on this thread before and never expressed any interest in this item but I've received 2 spam PMs (one here and one on another blog) trying to sell this item to me.

"D"
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 09, 2013, 05:30:43 PM
Quote from: propman on March 09, 2013, 02:28:37 PM
Did anyone else receive a spam PM from this guy trying to sell this?  I've never posted on this thread before and never expressed any interest in this item but I've received 2 spam PMs (one here and one on another blog) trying to sell this item to me.

"D"

Not me.  I first saw the item on eBay and sent him an e-mail about his auction not having any pictures.  Since then we exchanged e-mails a few times, but he did not seem at all pushy, just a little anxious about hoping for a sale - like anyone with a big item might be.

Mybe it is a reaction to the name "propman".  Sounds like someone who might be interested.


Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: FRANKEinstein on March 10, 2013, 02:55:21 AM
Quote from: propman on March 09, 2013, 02:28:37 PM
Did anyone else receive a spam PM from this guy trying to sell this?  I've never posted on this thread before and never expressed any interest in this item but I've received 2 spam PMs (one here and one on another blog) trying to sell this item to me.

"D"

I too have rec'd emails, however I do not believe he is a scammer at all...
Although it seems he is waaaaaaay off on his valuation!
He was asking $14,000??? He also told me he received a few offers for
$5,000 and $6,000!!!! ???? !!
I told him if he was offered that kind of money he should JUMP ON IT!!!

It's my opinion that the body "might" be worth $500...
Even that , (to me) is high...Cineart, or  not!

The body is far too feeble looking and it has such skinny legs, there is no way
it is even close to screen accurate (as mentioned!)
Not trying to anger any diehard Cineart fans, but just keeping it real.

The head is worth maybe $600-700 tops! (again, just my opinion!)
We don't know the sculptor, or anything else about it.
For all we know, that silicone is a ticking timebomb! :o

He wants to sell this, but also wants to know it's history :)
can't blame him!

All in all, I figure it's worth a grand at most!

Anyone else care to take a stab at it's value?  :-\

Jeff
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: John Pertwee on March 10, 2013, 10:30:46 AM
With the missing finger, I would say $1000 as well. If he still has the finger, it could be worth even more.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: propman on March 10, 2013, 11:29:42 AM
 I just want to make sure that in no way I was calling him a scammer!!! I just felt that it was wrong for someone to just ramdomly send out PMs to people who have expressed no interest in their item to try to push a sale. I make and paint things all the time and never do I just PM someone who hasn't contacted me first. I just found it odd and kind of like getting spam in my email box. Now trying to start anything or to say if he's a good guy or bad guy just questioning his approach. I understand where you could said well since your user name is propman..... but that is because I build props. I don't feel it's right that just because someone's user name is anything that would give me the right to just PM them to push a sale. Just my opinion.

"D" ;)
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 10, 2013, 04:01:36 PM
Quote from: FRANKEinstein on March 10, 2013, 02:55:21 AM

...The body is far too feeble looking and it has such skinny legs, there is no way
it is even close to screen accurate (as mentioned!)
Not trying to anger any diehard Cineart fans, but just keeping it real....

I am a huge CineArt fan, but I always thought they missed the boat with their full figure Frankenstein.

Karloff was painfully thin when he made "Frankenstein" in 1931 - but the fully padded (supposedly 7 ft. tall?) movie character really needs to be unnaturally massive and imposing.

As for price...

This semi-posable, 7 ft tall figure based around a Mike Hill bust got no bids at $8,500.00:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Life-Size-/200900710673?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D200900710673%26_rdc%3D1&nma=true&si=J4PlYnmQhHKSmyyxPRgTuxBizks%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Frankenstein-Life-Size-/200900710673?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D200900710673%26_rdc%3D1&nma=true&si=J4PlYnmQhHKSmyyxPRgTuxBizks%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)



Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: ob1al on March 10, 2013, 04:27:51 PM
Karloff was a little over 6 ft in full costume, according to most reports, whereas the representation of the character was supposed to be 7ft-8ft tall.

As we all know, this illusion was achieved with the lifted boots, headpiece and padding on Karloff's entire body, additionally many scenes were filmed from a lower angle to create the illusion of great height.

By the time of 'Bride' and then later 'Son', establishing the creatures size lost it's relevancy and Karloff appears much smaller in many scenes. The notable exception is his first appearance in Bride, when he climbs out of the burning mill and bumps into Una O'Connor - 'Minnie's' diminutive height helps to re-establish the creature's great size, but no notable further attempts are made to conceal Karloff's actual size in full costume:

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/ob1al/1935_BrideFrankenstein_img12.jpg)

In 'Son', it's quite amusing when Wolf announces his discovery of the reason for the creatures'great size', when in their side-by-side scenes Karloff is only fractionally taller than Rathbone:

(http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z332/ob1al/tumblr_ktvrldARsk1qzoyv5o1_500.jpg)

By the time we got to Glenn Strange of course, the creature really WAS huge. But 'great size' or not, Karloff is my favourite Creature by a country mile.

Anyway, my point is when we are representing Karlof's creature in our models, lifesize pieces and so on, a 7 or 8ft display just isn't correct. Story correct, yes, but not factually correct.

I'm not defending the cineart piece particularly either - just pointing out that when we talk about screen-accurate, there is a very distict difference between what we percieve as being correct and what Karloff actually looked like in person, on set.

Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 10, 2013, 04:36:34 PM

When creating a display piece, I think I would want to preserve the screen illusion created by low camera angles and the risers that smaller actors would often be placed on when appearing next to taller actors.

Since a monsterkid's monster room is viewed in real life and not through the camera, it seems natural that the display figure be built to reflect the implied screen presence, and not the actor's actual size.

Hence, I would opt for the 7 ft. tall figure over the more accurate Karloff stature.

Just my personal preference.

Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: FRANKEinstein on March 10, 2013, 05:40:16 PM
I agree that with these life size pieces his height differs from time to time,

however, (more importantly) I was speaking of the sticks for legs and
no arse, as his pants are hanging like drapes!

6ft, 7ft, or 8ft tall, this boy needs to eat a STEAK!  :P
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Gillfan on March 11, 2013, 05:27:27 AM
Quote from: Monsters For Sale on March 10, 2013, 04:01:36 PM
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This semi-posable, 7 ft tall figure based around a Mike Hill bust got no bids at $8,500.00:...



Plus, that one was featured on SHIPPING WARS! With a provenance like that...
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monster Bob on March 11, 2013, 05:27:49 PM

I was first quoted $47,000, so at least the price came down a little.  ???
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: tfig8 on March 11, 2013, 06:30:29 PM
Can you Guys just let this thread Die?!?! >:( Some of the comments and post are simply unnecessary and immature. I had my information completely wrong and it appears it's still not fully clear- But I've publicly/privately apologized and attempted to correct things. Some of you guys on here have been in constant contact with me through email and even making me low ball offers, but yet your criticize the work...  I just don't appreciate some of the comments posted on here, especially sharing private information that I've shared with some of you in good faith, it's not for you guys to go out and make it public. I find that to be very distasteful. I don't even understand why this thread continues to live on, if no one is seriously interested in it or if it's just poor quality item then why care? This thing now has 4 pages worth of replies... What's the deal here!?!?!  Why continue to communicate about it-  Just let it die and lets move on.

I've pm'ed several people in the past in my attempts to find a buyer- I apologize if some of you took that as spamming, but all I was trying to do was find a buyer- Never EVER!! Was I trying to be pushy or trying to appear as a salesman!! Just informing people that I have it for sale. Not everyone visits this board, so if anything, it gives you something new to look at- it's not the end of the world people! Regardless, I apologize if you felt spammed.... Just trying to find a home for this guy and was trying to take a proactive approach. .

The only new info that I have right now- is that the Photo taken by  Lee Lambert was taken at MaskFest 2010- Lee informed me that the Bust was on display at Greg Nicotero's booth. He said the bust was on display the first day of the event and then the bust disappeared, never to be placed on display again (hope you don't mind me sharing that info Lee). According to Lee the bust looked older (in his opinion). He also said he has never seen another like it, and he's been attending all sorts of events ever since.. When I get more good info I will create a new thread. I'm waiting to hear back from some people who might be able to get me the right info.
The monster is more of a mannequin -with full legs and body-  It is not some bars or anything like that, as some of you would suggest, even though you've seen what he looks like under his clothes.. It's a Full body to help give it a more genuine appearance.

In my opinion this is a beautifully crafted figure. I don't know why Mr. Nicotero had it on display at his booth, but I am trying to find out. Maybe he created it or maybe someone he knows created it :o.... I just don't know, but I'd like to find out.   

Thanks to the many of you guys who at least appreciated looking at the Monster and enjoyed the additional photos.

This is an all around good quality lifesize Monster. Made of silicone with beautiful details and that was displayed at Mr. Nicotero's booth. 

It is still for sale. If interested contact me.

Thank You,
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Dr. Madd on March 12, 2013, 01:44:21 AM
I know for a fact I don't have the cash for it, but I'd love to ask how much it is. Damaged or not, I would buy it if I had the dough.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: John Pertwee on March 13, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
Do you have the missing finger? If so, I would have it restored if possible. I can't see anyone spending over $10,000 for a damaged item, even one as nice as this.

If the bust portion of the item is a one of a kind, it could be worth quite a bit.
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: FRANKEinstein on March 13, 2013, 11:45:02 PM
tfig....

I feel you are taking the comments made by us collectors in the wrong vein!
Whenever there is a "new" member offering something for sale, veteran's
of this site are often cautious, that's all. Never hurts to ask fellow collectors
if they've heard of you. It helps with the trust issue....and no-one doubts
your sincerity!

This is a meeting place for diehard collectors.
We are just as interested in discovering the history behind this piece,
but are also offering our critique on it. You're bound to hear differing opinions,
which is what makes it a great discussion board!  :)
Just read any of the other posts...they are filled with differing views! 

So rather than take the offensive, take it for what it is.
A piece with a little history, and a little mystique~  8)
Intriguing, nonetheless!

Good luck with your sale!

Jeff
Title: Re: Frankenstein Life Size - Original from 1935
Post by: Monsters For Sale on March 15, 2013, 06:19:26 AM
Quote from: John Pertwee on March 13, 2013, 09:19:30 PM
Do you have the missing finger? If so, I would have it restored if possible. I can't see anyone spending over $10,000 for a damaged item, even one as nice as this.

If the bust portion of the item is a one of a kind, it could be worth quite a bit.

Repairing the finger shouldn't be that big a deal.  A mold could be made from an existing finger and a new finger tip cast that would match very well.

Cine Art made several versions of their full-sized figure.  The cheapest verson had a MSRP of $11,000.00. 

This figure has had extensive modifications/improvements with the alternate bust.  It is worth whatever a prospective buyer is willing to pay.

I like the bigger, beefier figures that others have made - That does not detract from the standard Cine Art body.  I'm sure their are many who prefer it.

Good luck finding just the right home for your figure.