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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2008, 11:20:54 PM »
Well, I see color difference in Bobby's photos.

If the repoppers sold 5000 of them at only .50 each, that's $2500. At $15.00 ea, that's $75,000, very well worth the effort. Even if they sold for somewhere in between, that's good money!

Back in the very late 90s/early 2000's there was more than one ebay seller (in NY area) offering these by the bag or by the box (containing hundreds of them, at least) really cheap. I know my guy (earlier than that) had at least 1000 of them, and I probably bought 200 from him, which I sold for a couple of bucks each.

But I asked myself, even cheap, how many of these can you resell if you have to buy 500+ of them?
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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2008, 11:33:02 PM »
The only sharpener that I got in the 60s was the Wolf Man. I don't know why, but I never got the Ghoul nor the Mummy at the time. Only the Wolf Man. I still have it. The color is grey so I know that color is vintage.
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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2008, 11:46:32 PM »
Richard, if you say they made gray, they made gray! I believe!

I am still suspicious though, given the number of things that have been made utilizing old molds in the last 10 years, that all of these sharpeners around are "1960s made".
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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2008, 11:53:41 PM »
Wow.  That's pretty nuts.  Sounds like someone did go thru the hassle.  As for the color difference, that could be due to sun exposure.  

I do think you're probably right, tho.  IT does sound like someon reproduced these.  It's just weird.  They'd have to have the original molds or re-create molds.  If they did have the original molds they'd likely be rusty or damaged.  Once they created the heads they'd have to trim each piece and manually insert the sharpener, which they'd have to buy (unless they had and injection mold for that).  

Also, if they were created in Mexico, Hong Kong or China, I'd think they'd remove the copyright and the ABG info.  However, you mentioned other bootlegged toys and there are also the Mexican Marx figures, MPC Pop Top Horrors bootlegs, etc.

Anyhooo, sorry for the rambling post.  I really like these heads and was bored at work. :P


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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2008, 11:59:27 PM »
Wow. thanx for all the great informative responses to my initial post! I love this place! (Even if some infidels prefer ImHoTep over Kharis!)

It seems these first appeared in 1964, as that's the copyright on the display box, and then were sold carded and copyrighted 1965. Toy Ranch, glad you saved those pics, thanx for posting - do you remember what that carded example sold for?
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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2008, 12:07:45 AM »
I took a look at the pencil sharpeners inside the heads I have.  They are identical hard plastic sharpeners in all of them, but the ones in the Frankenstein heads are white, while all of the others are blue.  There is a slight color variance as shown, but as far as the quality, rigidity, thickness, etc. of the plastic...  that is consistent in all of them.  One thing that usually gives new repops away is the plastic, and here the plastic is the same in all of them.  My opinion is that they are all vintage and authentic, but the warehouse find examples were part of a different run.  We see that they were sold in blister packages, as well as from counter displays.  The counter displays were found with the heads, but no Frankensteins were found.  The counter display graphic shows a Frankenstein sharpener.  There were greys in the warehouse find, and Richard has verified that the greys are vintage. 


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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2008, 12:17:04 AM »
Wow. thanx for all the great informative responses to my initial post! I love this place! (Even if some infidels prefer ImHoTep over Kharis!)

It seems these first appeared in 1964, as that's the copyright on the display box, and then were sold carded and copyrighted 1965. Toy Ranch, glad you saved those pics, thanx for posting - do you remember what that carded example sold for?

The orange Mummy went for just over $200 I believe, and there was also a purple Frankenstein which went for almost $400 as I recall.  They were not listed well and the bidding was very low until the last seconds when they exploded.  I had what I thought were fairly hefty snipes set on what appeared to be fairly well-hidden items, but got blown out of the water. 

A purple Frankenstein, which seems to be the most desireable color, went for $256 loose a couple years ago, and there were 3 bidders over $250.  The carded Frankenstein was purple (it's in the gallery here) and I would not be surprised to see it hit $750 if it were at Hake's or something where it got a lot of attention.

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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2008, 08:22:36 AM »
Here are 2 pictures I took this morning. I need to take a camera class :-\ ...however, I hope to show the color of the grey Wolf Man sharpener I obtained in the 60s. As with my Marx hard plastic monster figures, I decided to take out the paint set and start slopping on colors. The mouth and teeth on this Wolf Man sharpener were as far as I got. A very bad idea but I knew no better then. On the other hand, this dates and confirms the time period on this piece because I know when I did the painting. There is no chance I got this piece later, as it is "marked". The 2nd picture is without flash but I was trying to compare color. I think the sharpener head turned out a bit dark in this picture. The spoons have been with me since my mother bought them for my birthday party from "Modern Monster" magazine in the 60s. From the total set she bought, only 5 survive today. So again, I can confirm, vintage spoons in this color. Wolf Man Pez, vintage too, of course.

I hope this helps. I ALWAYS wish I had more information. If I had it to do all over again, I would have paid better attention as a kid!  ;D

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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2008, 10:08:41 AM »
Thanks Richard,

What color is the plastic sharpener insert in the Wolf Man you have?

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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2008, 10:50:07 AM »
Great thread. I decided to go gather up my assorted sharpeners for a photo shoot. And here's what I came up with.

Bottom of gray colored Wolf Man sharpener



Front and bottom of gray colored Frank





Group shot



Group shot and bottom colors



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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2008, 10:55:08 AM »
I took a look at the pencil sharpeners inside the heads I have.  They are identical hard plastic sharpeners in all of them, but the ones in the Frankenstein heads are white, while all of the others are blue. 

Bobby, my gray Frankie does indeed have a blue sharpener inside as my previous pics show. This would tend to buck any preconceived notion that the sharpener heads followed any type of rhyme or reason for having a certain colored sharpener? I really believe it was nothing more than luck of the draw that day on the production line.
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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2008, 11:00:46 AM »
Finally, one other note to add here. The maroon colored Wolf Men you see in this pic were all purchased at last year's Monster Bash. I bought them from Dennis Druktenis of Scary Monsters magazine for $1.00 each! I think both Bobby and Raymond scored these as well at the Bash. Helluva deal even if you already own several sharpeners. Two of the three Wolf Men had white sharpeners while the other one had a blue sharpener. And my gray colored Wolf Man has a yellow sharpener! Has anyone else seen a yellow sharpener inside these things?

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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2008, 12:04:31 PM »
This is a great thread.
Thank you everyone for the wonderful pics and TOY RANCH, thanks so much for saving those auction pics!
Very informative.

Btw, I had a different theory about repops before Dante Renta, the mask guru pointed out something.

If a mask is from an original mold it is still an original (in his opinion) NOT VINTAGE. Just original.

I would say the same could be said of these. If someone used the original molds 40 years later, then they would still be original, not vintage, but still as cool.

Anyway, just food for thought.

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« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2008, 12:28:32 PM »
If a mask is from an original mold it is still an original (in his opinion) NOT VINTAGE. Just original.
I would say the same could be said of these. If someone used the original molds 40 years later, then they would still be original, not vintage, but still as cool.

That is a very good point Dan. And it's one I would tend to agree with. If it's from the original mold, then in my opinion it's still valid. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but weren't some (not all) of the Polar Lights model kits pulled from the original Aurora molds? I know that some models like the Bride was reproduced with new molds made from an unbuilt Aurora kit and not the original mold as the mold was destroyed long ago. But what of Frankenstein, Dracula, Wolf Man .. those original molds still exist. 
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Re: 1964 A.B.G. Mummy pencil sharpener colors?
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2008, 12:58:41 PM »
Terry, you are correct about the Polar Lights kits. Many of the Aurora molds are owned by Revell/Mongram and they were used to re-issue the Frankenstein, Dracula, Creature, Mummy, Wolfman and other kits. Kits that had lost or damaged molds were "reverse engineered" using existing mint Aurora kits. The parts were used to create new molds so these supposedly "lost" kits could be re-issued.
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