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Noobie Aurora questions
« on: March 28, 2009, 02:43:16 PM »
Ok guys bear with me a sec here while I ask questions that I'm sure most of you vets will laugh at. I'm very new to collecting the Universal stuff with the exception of some of the Sideshow 12" and some vintage Remco I had as a kid...which unfortunately bear the marks of thier greatest advesary...firecrackers. Anyway I seem to remember in the late 90's toys r us having exclusive reissues of the Aurora kits and I actually own the Wolf Man kit, which was a last min Christmas gift to myself in..1999? maybe?

Anyway , I have the bug again and I have searched far and wide for the reissues or basically anything somewhat MIB at an affordable price, which led me straight to you guessed it..ebay. Of course the 1st thing that caught my eye was The Forgotten Prisoner..and when my uncle saw it, almost did a cartwheel, because apparently he had an original as a kid. I watched the item start at 25.00 and it sold for like 102.00 or something in that range. The more places I contacted about this kid, the more I pretty much either didnt get a response or was told they pop up on ebay. I thought, wow..over 100 seems kinda high for something that there saying is a reissue and is in fact NOT made by Aurora.

So here are my actual questions. 1. Is this just the going rate for a MIB Forgotten Prisoner? If it is, then it is, I just didnt want to get ripped off..even though now the auction ended and Im kinda bummed I didnt get it.

2. Is this the going rate for all reissuse's? I can understand seeing a staggering number when its original vintage stuff, but  the reissue as well? I plan on all the basics..Dracula, Frank, Creature etc..then maybe move onto Kong, Godzilla etc...if its a reissue from the 90's what should the price be that I hover around? Are some more rare then others (I'm sure that will effect the price) i.e. Forgotten Prisoner

3. What the hell am I buying anyway? Aurora, Polar Lights, Revell, Monogram? I basically am looking for the most cost effective way to get what was closest to the original Universal Monster kits made by Aurora back when. Did the liscensing just constantly change hands? Its hard if your wet behind the ears and only relying on the words of an ebay seller...which is why I came here.

Last...I'm missing a rat on my Wolf Man kit, any place to check for spare parts?

I know this was a long read of questions Im sure you seasoned guys hear and answer constantly so with that Thank you very much in advance for helping me out!!

Jess
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Re: Noobie Aurora questions
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2009, 04:33:25 PM »


If I was starting today, I would buy old Aurora built-ups and restore them, as they can be had reasonably. Also buy empty Aurora boxes and/ or boxes with partial builds, etc. , which again, can be had more reasonably than MIB kits.

What I don't understand is guys that will buy new repopped kit for $20 (like the Dracula, etc. that  is being reissued), when a built original can be had for about the same price- and you'd have an original (plus you wouldn't have to deal with the resculpted Lugosi head).

The $50-$75 I see for the TRU reissues (MIB) seems kinda stupid to me.  :-\

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Re: Noobie Aurora questions
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2009, 07:10:41 PM »
I think it's the aura (pun intended) of the re-issues having the classic Aurora logo on them.
Playing Mantis/Polar Lights licensed the use of the classic Aurora oval logo from a company named Cinemodels, Inc. . Cinemodels bought the logo rights from Tomy, who was awarded the rights to it when they bought the Aurora assets from Nabisco, who owned Aurora in its final days.
Confused so far?
Anyway, a few years before Polar Lights showed up, Cinemodels paid Revell to produce the kits "The Phantom" and "The Forgotten Prisoner". Revell just did the styrene, bagged. Cinemodels contracted others to produce the boxes, with the original art and and logo. At this time, Cinemodels only licensed the logo use from Tomy,  later they bought it outright.
When Polar lights started having success with their Aurora repops, they decided to look into acquiring the Aurora logo. Cinemodels wouldn't sell the logo, but would license it to them. That's when Polar Lights produced the Toys R Us exclusives in the long boxes with the original Aurora logo. THey also released the Planet of the Apes kits (Which were originally released by Addar, which made it interesting) and the Dinosaur snap kits - not to be confused with the OLD Aurora Dinosaur Scenes Snap kits. If I remember what Dave Metzner told me correctly, the intention was to have the Aurora logo on kits being sold in wide release to the big box stores, while retaining the Polar Lights brand for hobby shop sales.
In any case, the duration of the contract  between Playing Mantis and Cinemodels ran out so all other models were released with the Polar Lights logo.
Will the monster kits ever be released again with the original Aurora logo? Who knows? As seen, strange things do happen, but the playing field just seems to keep gettin' muddier and muddier.

Going rate? You may find one on a comic shop or hobby shop shelf, but otherwise, especially on ebay, its what the market will bear.
There is a buy/sell/trade area on www.hobbytalk.com that may be able to help you out.

The Prisoner re-issue is pulled from the original molds the Revell owns. They shot the kits for both Cinemodels and Polar Lights. Some of the kits available have been reversed engineered because the molds no longer exist. This can be a good thing, because plastic molds do age, resulting in more flash, uneven plastic spread and less detail. The re-engineered kits are usually improved in part fit and overall quality - such as Moebius' Dr. Jekyll.

For your spare rat try The Parts Pit http://www.thepartspit.com/home.htm

hope this hasn't been too confusing, and good luck with your search!

Chris



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Re: Noobie Aurora questions
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2009, 10:02:01 PM »

If I was starting today, I would buy old Aurora built-ups and restore them, as they can be had reasonably. Also buy empty Aurora boxes and/ or boxes with partial builds, etc. , which again, can be had more reasonably than MIB kits.


This is exactly what I was doing with the 70s glow kits.  I would buy two or three junkers and assemble them into one "perfect" kit.  I tried to get kits with little or no paint.  It was usually pretty easy to disassemble everything and file away any residual glue.  I've got a big 20 gallon plastic tub of Aurora parts, but no prisoner parts, unfortunately.  I did buy the Cinemodels kit when it was new and built it.  Still have the box.  I'd like to build an original 70s glow Prisoner.

Say, while we're on the subject, I'm looking for the following parts:  glow Dracula head/tie pieces, ring; glow Phantom head, cape chain, right hand and thumb, mask; glow King Kong head pieces, Fay Wray pieces; glow Witch snake and odds and ends; and especially an entire, complete glow Prisoner!  I've got plenty of parts for all these kits, but there are always a couple pieces missing or damaged, especially glow pieces.
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Re: Noobie Aurora questions
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2009, 09:35:01 AM »
Chris, Thank you kindly for the link to the PARTS PIT.  I've been trying to remember the name of that site for several days now. For some reason it is no longer in my bookmarks.  Just another sign that ALZHEIMER'S or SENILE DEMENTIA is setting in. Peace.
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Re: Noobie Aurora questions
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2009, 11:49:27 AM »
Hey to everyone who has replied and led in me the right direction and shed some light..err darkness on this subject for me, thanks a ton! My head is still spinning but I have kits en-route! Thank you all!!!
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Re: Noobie Aurora questions
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2009, 09:26:38 PM »
THe Cinemodels FP is a bit harder to find and tends to go for between 50-100 bucks. the polar lights version can command about 40-60 bucks, but I've seen them go for more when there is a bidding frenzy. If you get one for 50 bucks or under that is a decent price.
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