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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2023, 10:22:37 PM »
WOW Thanks Dr Terror, and Mike Scott for your posted pics, as I was in a hell’va Mess trying to copy, post these images myself.

He said the 31 head was changed for Bride make up, as it kinda shows with the details, shading on the forehead scar area.  Would Pierce have added the exposed clamps as seen on side of this head for the Bride over haul on it.  Maybe. 

This would of been a tool, prop of Pierce’s to use, and change from his studio.  He worked with this stuff, and so perhaps yes, he reworked this piece for Bride, he didn’t consider to keep it for arts sake, unfortunately.   

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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2023, 11:05:50 PM »
You can see it here without the hair piece.  Whale always had the idea foir the "flip top can" head so thats how Pierce designed it.  The scars are there, but so is an added forehead burn not on the "found" head.    And another shot of Pierce's head.  His has the movie bolts with the round bases where they connect to the neck.    The other head shows no indication the bolts were altered from Piereces.  The round base plates would have been embedded into the wax and  left an open area if removed or replaced.

We are talking about an item used by Jack Pierce for 31 Frank.  It would have been long documented by now, not just randomly in some guys shop with zero ballyhoo.    If real it would be worth millions and Universal would want it.   

If it were made by a professional wax artist chances are they still had the mold and Im sure Wax Franks were in high demand after the film came out.   I know Ive seen a pic of a 40s era horror wax display using that head.




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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2023, 12:04:29 AM »
The chin in the new photos looks a little more prominent than in the old photos.
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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2023, 01:36:10 AM »
Chin def looks longer.  There is also no handle at the bottom of Pierce's head and his has the large clamps. 

Here he is with Kirk Hammets 41 WM test make-up head.


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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2023, 02:11:51 AM »
I watched the video on a big screen in hd.   It does have a forehead burn and the labotomy scar lines up,  but nothing else matches.   Neck bolts are wrong and no indication of alteration.   The bolts seen are molded into the sculpt on the "found" head.   No forehead clamps.      Jack's has no handle.   Jacks did not have punched hair.   Scar looks like it may come down further into the brow as well.

My guess ....it has connections to the Pierce head, but its not the acual head he used.   Most likely done by the same artist for some other purpose.
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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2023, 02:24:06 AM »
Looks like someone used a cast of elderly Karloff for that  Lifemask.🤦‍♂️.  There is zero chance Pierce made that.
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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2023, 12:51:42 PM »
Cool- Thanks Dr Terror for these excellent pics! 
Really no one is sure if the head in question, was actually used during the Frankenstein filming.
This head is not seen in any of the films stills of that time.

The one of Karloff, and Pierce is staged after the films release.   On other sites it was discussed that the photos seen on Pierces wall are from films after Frankenstein production.  Karloff is older looking too, so this is not taken during the original filming.  He may of had this prop then, just no known still to prove it.

I think Dr T’s recent pics proves the found heads’ authentic claims.  There it is pictured on Pierce’s table, with the modified look, and Bride markings.  I’m not seeing the neck bolts claim, and the head clamps were added later, so one may have come off.  Did tattoo Rob say the hair on this is punched in?  I remember he said it is yak hair.

The handle could be taken off.  Jack has it on the bust display, and off the shoulders, head only on table.
This found head has tape around wood insert, so it may be able to be removed when needed.

If you can find pics of this style head used in that 40s era promo, I would love to see it! 
From the 40s era I would assume it would be for Frank v Wolf Man promo.  From promo pics, and surviving heads (owned by a UMA member) these never looked anything like this Pierce head.
These promo heads look affected by the artist abilities, and materials available then.  None I’ve seen looked like this studio sculpt.

The Pierce head is small, and out of human scale itself.  I think that is why Pierce had the now Victoria/Albert dummy head made.  It is more true to size, and detailed, though it it not known what this prop was actually made for either.  Some say it’s the dummy used as the debris falls at Bride climax.
Not sure of this, nor that this found head was used as dummy stand in for Karloff on table in original film.  This head being on the small scale size, not sure about that.

Please, can you post pics of found head, and close crop pics from Pierce studio stills for comparisons.
Well get to the bottom on these heads yet!
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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2023, 02:33:49 PM »
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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2023, 03:37:27 PM »
Thank you Mike for the help in posting these pics.

Here’s a couple pic grabs of these heads to further compare.  After watching the found head video on my tv, and comparing with the original still photos, I believe this is the original head.

It has the same eye shape, ears shape etc.  The scar on cheek goes past ear, and turns up, back of head.  A detail never noticed before.  The full bust version With head, seen in old still, you can see the scar turn up into hair on this version too. 

I will post, with Mikes’ kind help, more pics of these close up view to study and compare.

If like me you were so excited to hear the owner of the head wants to make copies for fans available:

He is now offering a Small version copy for $13,000.00
He offers a copy of Karloff Hand for. $6,000.00
He offers copy of new Bride Life mask $6,000.00

Don’t rush the site now, let me get in there!  So I guess a full size copy of this head will come in around 26,000.00 or so...just Outrageous!   
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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2023, 03:09:12 PM »
Is anybody else NOT seeing the 9 photos in my previous post?
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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2023, 03:20:01 PM »
I'm glad this was found. In other news, I won't be buying any replicas of it. I enjoyed seeing it though. These days I am going to focus more on eating food and trying to stay healthy and mobile instead of paying $1,000's for replicas. Not that I ever paid $1,000's for replicas before mind you,lol. Just not likely to start. Toodles.

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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2023, 03:36:07 PM »
Wonder if he offering free shipping, lol. I can't imagine paying a crazy price like that. $200.00 or $300.00 yes but not thousands. Curious to how many he really sales.

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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2023, 03:38:54 PM »
I see your photos.

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Re: Jack Pierce Frankenstein reference head
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2023, 04:53:22 PM »
On his sale site he just shows a pic of the found head as the smaller version for 13,000.00.
You donít even see what this copied version actually looks like, from his newly created company. 
He wants to offer copies of this to the fans, who are these fans out there that could afford this at those prices? 

I would like to see what his companyís actual replica looks like, and what process he used to create the replica copy.  I was excited that he wanted to offer up copies, but I donít think he is ready on materials, and process for manufacturing, much less pricing for this project.

I hope he can get it together, as I would love to add a copy to my collection.

 

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