Author Topic: Any Boris Karloff or Basil Rathbone autograph experts around here?  (Read 2308 times)

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I recently got these two autographs in the mail and was hoping to get some opinions on them. Karloff’s signature varies so much it’s driving me crazy comparing them. I sure would appreciate some opinions on these from someone that might have more knowledge than me. Here’s a link to the pictures, I couldn’t get them to load on here. Thanks for any help! https://photos.app.goo.gl/Vx8kc249jFBRuQED7

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Re: Any Boris Karloff or Basil Rathbone autograph experts around here?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2020, 01:22:43 AM »
Welcome to the UMA, Jason!  :)

While I am, in no way, an expert on autographs, I would tend to trust one that is signed to someone (like your Karloff), rather than just having the signature.
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Re: Any Boris Karloff or Basil Rathbone autograph experts around here?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2020, 07:45:19 AM »
Yeah I would think that’s definitely a good sign, not sure why a forger would bother with a dedication as complicated as this one. I still haven’t figured out what it says!

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2020, 02:52:37 PM »
not sure why a forger would bother with a dedication as complicated as this one.

And people don't want them if they are signed to someone else.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2020, 10:45:58 PM »
Karloff's secretary is known to have signed a lot of his publicity photos. Spend the $75 + to have it authenticated if you're looking for something factual.

Yeah I would think that’s definitely a good sign, not sure why a forger would bother with a dedication as complicated as this one. I still haven’t figured out what it says!

Sadly, that's exactly why forgers do it. The unsuspecting assume legitimacy and fall for it.



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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2020, 11:24:01 PM »
Sadly, that's exactly why forgers do it. The unsuspecting assume legitimacy and fall for it.

Like I said, I'm no expert.  ;D  (And that's why I never buy autographs.)
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Re: Any Boris Karloff or Basil Rathbone autograph experts around here?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2020, 09:58:21 AM »
Well after sending some pics to Beckett and having them say they don’t think it would pass authentication and staring at more Karloff signatures than I can count I think I’m sending it back. The more I looked at it the more issues showed up. A lot of his letters changed through the years but some didn’t seem to so I focused on those. The line on his B’s always has a slant and the S always has a small hump or loop at the top this one doesn’t have either of those. I didn’t like how the last F in Karloff stoppers so abruptly. I never saw another signature of his on two lines. The overall size of the B is inconsistent with any of the others I saw. When you take the picture out in the sun it shows a lot of wear for it’s age but the actual signature has none, no tiny scratches nothing. It’s pretty disappointing but I think I learned quite a bit, I’ll be better prepared next time.

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Re: Any Boris Karloff or Basil Rathbone autograph experts around here?
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2020, 11:49:31 AM »
Karloff's secretary is known to have signed a lot of his publicity photos. Spend the $75 + to have it authenticated if you're looking for something factual.

Sadly, that's exactly why forgers do it. The unsuspecting assume legitimacy and fall for it.
The 2 reasons I'm confident forgers wouldn't add any extra is, that's more writing susceptible to be analyzed. The other is, they're now limited to selling only to a person with the same name. They could be waiting an eternity for that to happen.

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« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2020, 06:14:32 PM »
The 2 reasons I'm confident forgers wouldn't add any extra is, that's more writing susceptible to be analyzed. The other is, they're now limited to selling only to a person with the same name. They could be waiting an eternity for that to happen.

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Do you collect autographs, JP?

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« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2020, 06:15:54 PM »
Well after sending some pics to Beckett and having them say they don’t think it would pass authentication and staring at more Karloff signatures than I can count I think I’m sending it back. The more I looked at it the more issues showed up. A lot of his letters changed through the years but some didn’t seem to so I focused on those. The line on his B’s always has a slant and the S always has a small hump or loop at the top this one doesn’t have either of those. I didn’t like how the last F in Karloff stoppers so abruptly. I never saw another signature of his on two lines. The overall size of the B is inconsistent with any of the others I saw. When you take the picture out in the sun it shows a lot of wear for it’s age but the actual signature has none, no tiny scratches nothing. It’s pretty disappointing but I think I learned quite a bit, I’ll be better prepared next time.

Sorry to hear that, Jason, but I’m glad you have the option of returning it. Good luck on your hunt.

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Re: Any Boris Karloff or Basil Rathbone autograph experts around here?
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2020, 07:30:10 PM »
Do you collect autographs, JP?
I have a few. None of the big 3 though (Karloff, Lugosi, Chaney). Probably my favorite I own is Fred Gwynne.

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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2020, 11:31:55 PM »
Probably my favorite I own is Fred Gwynne.

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That is indeed a great one.

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