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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2017, 08:28:54 PM »
In an era where a slow burn, subtle, period piece horror film like The Witch can actually be made, and made well, and recognized for its greatness, there's no excuse. None. The narrative that the classic monsters cannot function on film in the modern era in such a way that respects their sources is absolute nonsense, and I strongly reject it.
This is very true.
Really the thing is that they can't work when they're done by incompetent directors, writers, and actors.

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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2017, 11:30:07 PM »
Yeah, I don't get it either. Period dramas are made all the time...the notion that the monsters need to be set in present day to be accepted is just ridiculous.

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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2017, 12:30:28 AM »
This is very true.
Really the thing is that they can't work when they're done by incompetent directors, writers, and actors.
Not to get off topic but it's similar to the problem Superman has. The real problem is that everyone THINKS there's a problem that needs fixing. The real problem is that it's become popular to assume there's something wrong with the source material that doesn't work today.

It's not the source material. It's not Superman. It's not the classic monsters. It's incompetent filmmakers who BELIEVE the lie and run with it, winning over the Hollywood execs with pitches full of buzz words like "for today" and "more edgy" and "modernized" and all that crap that relies on the false premise of "something wrong with them" to even work. The execs think they don't work, so they hire idiots who also think they don't work, they giggle about it while they desecrate these stories and these characters, and then when no one responds to it, what do they do?

They blame the source material. "Man of Steel didn't fail because it was dark and depressing and Superman was always brooding and he didn't care about all the collateral damage and he snapped Zod's neck, it failed because Superman just doesn't appeal to anybody!" It's like they're too dumb or too prideful or too dumb AND prideful to realize or admit that it's THEIR STUPID TAKES on these characters that don't appeal to anybody. That it's THEIR LAME "FIXES" that don't appeal to anybody.

I mean, just do a quick visual test. Pull up a photo of Spider-Man from the comics, or the old 90s cartoon, whatever. Now pull up a photo of Spider-Man from the new movie that came out earlier this year.

They look alike, don't they? You can tell that they're the same guy.

Now do it again, but this time, start with the classic Dracula. You can pluck an image from the movie, or hell, use a modern collectible or Halloween decoration or costume. Pretty consistent right? The tux, the cape, the widows peak, lot of times he's got that nifty medallion. Juxtapose that to Luke Evans in a random shot from Dracula Untold.

I bet if you showed a kid both the classic Dracula and the Luke Evans Dracula, they probably wouldn't even know they were supposed to be the same guy. Luke Evans doesn't look anything like Karloff!

You can't say "this character doesn't work unless we change it" and then when your stupid changes don't succeed you suddenly say "well it's the character's fault". No buddy, it's YOUR fault. YOU did something stupid that you didn't even need to do, and it failed, and you're too dang prideful to admit it.

Can you guys tell this makes me angry? :P
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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2017, 12:55:10 PM »
Can you guys tell this makes me angry? :P
And I'll join you on that angery plateau.  It's not so desolate. 

I particularly object to the constant regurgiations of origins.  What a waste of good celluloid.  "Sorry - we lack creativity so we must fill at least half of a 2-hour film with a retreated origin story.  Our movie will SUCK and anyone tricked into seeing this tale for the first time will never want to go back and watch earlier films.  So we kinda owe it to explain Clark's meteor rocketship in the field, and Batman's parents standing in an alley, and Uncle Ben not making rice anymore."

But I don't get the emotional neediness that begs for synthesizing some "universe" concept.  "Oh gee, our Wolfman movie can't be successful even if we get good writers, actors and directors - we must have a Seal Of Approval.  Say, is that CCA stamp still around? No?  Gee, well, let's dream up a Universe concept."

What the - ?!!  I just don't get it. 

Make good films.  That's the secret, Hollywood financiers. 

(By the way, it's kinda fun to guess which would be the correct title: "Pulls the plug" or "Plugs the hole".)

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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2017, 02:09:22 PM »
universal & kurtzman  just announced a sequel to the tom cruise mummy flick.

The Mummy II: The Legend of Curly's Gold
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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2017, 04:04:54 PM »
"This is truly shocking.  I thought the Tom Cruise Mummy movie was magnificent and showed so much promise for the Dark Universe!"...said No One Ever.

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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2017, 04:47:23 PM »
"This is truly shocking.  I thought the Tom Cruise Mummy movie was magnificent and showed so much promise for the Dark Universe!"...said No One Ever.


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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2017, 07:37:03 PM »
So, it's NOT called IMF - The Impossible Mummy Film?!!  darn... I'm gonna lose that bet.

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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2017, 08:53:08 PM »
IT just made over six hundred million dollars at the box office.

There is no excuse not to make these as horror movies now, and there is no excuse to spend any more than 40 million on a single film.

Universal needs to pull its head out of its butt and get over their obsession with the 1999 Mummy.

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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2017, 01:38:44 AM »
I'm glad they pulled the plug.
It seemed it was really ill conceived from the get-go. Haphazardly thrown together as a cash grab
to get in on the Marvel/DC action. It reeked of failure.
They need to destroy all copies of the reboot going back to Wolfman and
spend a couple of years developing a properly conceived idea for a new Dark Universe while talking to fans from this forum for ideas. IMHO
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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2017, 04:02:23 AM »
while talking to fans from this forum for ideas. IMHO
I actually think I have a pretty solid pitch for a Wolfman movie. One that could meet a lot of their criteria (lends itself to cool action scenes and spectacle, does a lot of world building, has a mash up element) while still working within established Wolfman themes (relationship between man and beast) and building organically from them.

Gist of it is, Larry Talbot goes to the Island of Doctor Moreau looking for a cure. Moreau explains that he was inspired after an expedition to the Amazon where he witnessed a mysterious amphibious Gillman prowling around the unexplored Black Lagoon. Larry transforms and the Wolfman fights a lot of hybrid beast folk in lush jungle environment. With the help of a faction of rebellious beast folk trying to take Moreau down and save the rest of their people, Larry starts to learn how to control his inner beast. Climax? Larry and the beast folk siege Moreau's compound. Larry wolfs out and fights a very angry captive Gillman (Moreau wanted to alter the Gillman and actually remove his gills, as in The Creature Walks Among Us). In the end, Gillman is set free,  Moreau is no more, and Larry decides to stay on the island to try to learn to live with his curse and take better control of it.

End credits stinger: we discover Moreau's benefactor (since the rest of the scientific community rejected him) is none other than Doctor Pretorius. Turns out Moreau owes him something in return: the lost journal of Victor Frankenstein. It just so happens Pretorius has a friend with a vested interest in going to that island and retrieving that journal. A very big, strong friend who looks suspiciously like Karloff...
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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2017, 04:07:32 AM »
I actually think I have a pretty solid pitch for a Wolfman movie. One that could meet a lot of their criteria (lends itself to cool action scenes and spectacle, does a lot of world building, has a mash up element) while still working within established Wolfman themes (relationship between man and beast) and building organically from them.

Gist of it is, Larry Talbot goes to the Island of Doctor Moreau looking for a cure. Moreau explains that he was inspired after an expedition to the Amazon where he witnessed a mysterious amphibious Gillman prowling around the unexplored Black Lagoon. Larry transforms and the Wolfman fights a lot of hybrid beast folk in lush jungle environment. With the help of a faction of rebellious beast folk trying to take Moreau down and save the rest of their people, Larry starts to learn how to control his inner beast. Climax? Larry and the beast folk siege Moreau's compound. Larry wolfs out and fights a very angry captive Gillman (Moreau wanted to alter the Gillman and actually remove his gills, as in The Creature Walks Among Us). In the end, Gillman is set free,  Moreau is no more, and Larry decides to stay on the island to try to learn to live with his curse and take better control of it.

End credits stinger: we discover Moreau's benefactor (since the rest of the scientific community rejected him) is none other than Doctor Pretorius. Turns out Moreau owes him something in return: the lost journal of Victor Frankenstein. It just so happens Pretorius has a friend with a vested interest in going to that island and retrieving that journal. A very big, strong friend who looks suspiciously like Karloff...
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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2017, 11:47:06 AM »
My idea has always been to use the 2010 Wolfman as the springboard to the rest of the Universal Monsters.

1. It was a damn good movie on it's own, and the closest in tone to the originals.
2. It already had a perfect setup for a sequel.

Bring back Hugo Weaving...having been bitten by Larry Talbot at the end of the Wolfman, he returns to Scotland Yard and becomes the Werewolf of London, where he is assigned to solve a series of grisly murders he himself is committing. How's THAT for drama? Desperate to cure himself he seeks out either A. Dr. Griffin, B. Dr. Jekyll, or C. Dr. Frankenstein. The rest practically writes itself, and it's a perfect natural progression of the story.

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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2017, 12:17:28 PM »
I don't think Universal should go back to any of their previous attempts to reboot the UM. The Wolfman had a darker tone but it was still a mess that went about its title character in a completely wrong headed fashion. A slasher movie with fangs and fur. Dracula Untold was no different than The Mummy, just with no Tom Cruise. Instead Universal should try its hand at one of the monsters we haven't seen in a while like the Creature or the Invisible Man. IM might be a bit easier to work with since his entire shtick lends itself well to a haunted house aesthetic to ease the audience into the idea of accepting monster movies again.

There are plenty of hungry young horror directors who've had huge critical successes that will get horror fans to sit up and pay attention. The director of it follows said that Creature from the Black Lagoon was a huge influence on him for God's sake!

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Re: Universal Plugs the Plug on the Dark Universe Films
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2017, 03:36:59 PM »
IM might be a bit easier to work with since his entire shtick lends itself well to a haunted house aesthetic to ease the audience into the idea of accepting monster movies again.

You just know that if they do a movie called THE INVISIBLE MAN, that it won't be Well's story. In which case, they might as well call it HOLLOW MAN (if that one wasn't already taken).
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