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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2017, 03:05:11 PM »
I like the eyes on the new Goji, actually. On one level, they seem to be a throwback to the 1954 Godzilla (of course the original Godzilla is clearly a large influence overall). On another level, they actually seem more realistic to me for some reason. They seem more like the eyes you see on underwater creatures. When he's in his younger form, his eyes are naturally larger. When he matures and grows larger, the eyes naturally wind up much smaller.

It's common to assume that his eyes would resemble those of a reptile, which makes sense because he was of course originally based on a T. Rex and most depictions of Godzilla make him some form of mutant dinosaur (or ancient super dinosaur as he was in the 2014 film). However, Shin Godzilla is very much not a dinosaur. This Godzilla is an entirely new type of life form capable of rapid self-evolution, a super-adaptive organism that responds to changes in its environment by becoming a new and improved version of itself in a relatively short amount of time. It's practically more alien than the Alien in Alien, which is another highly adaptive species yet ultimately incapable of self evolution.

"But the eyes are so small, and they stare out to the sides! There's no way he could function as a predatory animal!" This is something I've considered, but the truth is, Shin Godzilla is so effin' weird that it probably isn't a predator at all, not in the way we traditionally understand them. There is no competition for this particular Godzilla. Why would there be? After all its existence is a complete anomaly. It's an unnatural being, the result of a dormant microscopic organism being exposed to massive amounts of radiation resulting in unnaturally fast evolution, and a form of evolution that bypasses the need to reproduce. What does it eat? Does it need to eat? What prey could this Godzilla possibly need to hunt? It may very well rely on a source of nutrition and energy that doesn't require it to hunt. Whether that's something akin to whales, who don't need large front-facing eyes to hunt prey since they're so far above their food source on the evolutionary ladder, or whether that's something else entirely (such as absorbing radiation the way many other Godzilla depictions do), it's tough to say. It's also worth pointing out that every act of violence committed by the creature is either an accidental byproduct of its massive size or a defensive measure taken to protect itself from harm.

To make a long story short, this Godzilla is really, really weird. And it's weird in a way that is rather terrifying, the more you consider it. It's not an apex predator, it's an apex being. It has more spiritual kinship with the Xenomorph or the Thing, yet ultimately it's a more perfect organism than either of them.

I love it, in other words. But that's just my opinion.
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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2017, 04:01:32 PM »
I like the eyes on the new Goji, actually. On one level, they seem to be a throwback to the 1954 Godzilla (of course the original Godzilla is clearly a large influence overall). On another level, they actually seem more realistic to me for some reason. They seem more like the eyes you see on underwater creatures. When he's in his younger form, his eyes are naturally larger. When he matures and grows larger, the eyes naturally wind up much smaller.

It's common to assume that his eyes would resemble those of a reptile, which makes sense because he was of course originally based on a T. Rex and most depictions of Godzilla make him some form of mutant dinosaur (or ancient super dinosaur as he was in the 2014 film). However, Shin Godzilla is very much not a dinosaur. This Godzilla is an entirely new type of life form capable of rapid self-evolution, a super-adaptive organism that responds to changes in its environment by becoming a new and improved version of itself in a relatively short amount of time. It's practically more alien than the Alien in Alien, which is another highly adaptive species yet ultimately incapable of self evolution.

"But the eyes are so small, and they stare out to the sides! There's no way he could function as a predatory animal!" This is something I've considered, but the truth is, Shin Godzilla is so effin' weird that it probably isn't a predator at all, not in the way we traditionally understand them. There is no competition for this particular Godzilla. Why would there be? After all its existence is a complete anomaly. It's an unnatural being, the result of a dormant microscopic organism being exposed to massive amounts of radiation resulting in unnaturally fast evolution, and a form of evolution that bypasses the need to reproduce. What does it eat? Does it need to eat? What prey could this Godzilla possibly need to hunt? It may very well rely on a source of nutrition and energy that doesn't require it to hunt. Whether that's something akin to whales, who don't need large front-facing eyes to hunt prey since they're so far above their food source on the evolutionary ladder, or whether that's something else entirely (such as absorbing radiation the way many other Godzilla depictions do), it's tough to say. It's also worth pointing out that every act of violence committed by the creature is either an accidental byproduct of its massive size or a defensive measure taken to protect itself from harm.

To make a long story short, this Godzilla is really, really weird. And it's weird in a way that is rather terrifying, the more you consider it. It's not an apex predator, it's an apex being. It has more spiritual kinship with the Xenomorph or the Thing, yet ultimately it's a more perfect organism than either of them.

I love it, in other words. But that's just my opinion.

Yes, I agree.

Also, the DVD/Blue ray set was just released. The version with subtitles. I already have it. ;D

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2017, 10:06:32 AM »
Hmmm... "menacing"?  "Reptile"?


Or in his infant form...


As for "more like a sea creature's eyes", yes.  A shark.  But reptiles - and THIS Godzilla too - have brows.  Frogs have nice big bug-eyed "I'm getting stomped on!" eyes.  And fish.  "Sea creatures", therefore.

I see those big round eyes on alligators, but those are also 'brow'd' eyes, too... here's a page of them.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1381&bih=665&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=alligator+eyes&oq=alligator+eyes&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.0l4.228986.230759.0.231767.14.14.0.0.0.0.118.1102.12j2.14.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.14.1101...0i67k1.Q_irq-O-Shc

This is why the shape of the eyes - that bug-eyed, squashed-out observation - is made.  Obviously, it's a choice the filmmakers wanted to pursue, though.   Sort of remindful of this...

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #18 on: August 09, 2017, 05:57:23 PM »
Overall, I also thought SHIN GODZILLA rocked!  A little too talky at times, a little too political at times, but that can be overlooked when it compared to the outstanding scenes with Godzilla in them.  I found the Godzilla design very interesting, and this version harkens me back to the serious, destructive, dark tone of the 1954 original.  Might be the most deadly version of Gojira that we've ever seen, including the 2014 American version.

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2017, 01:22:56 AM »
Considering how talky the American "Godzilla: King of the Monsters" (1956) was, complete with added scenes of Raymond Burr, I thought "Shin-Godzilla" was fairly well balanced between monster mayhem and human drama. My only real complaint is that I would have liked Godzilla to be a little more active. When that bridge came flying out of the smoke, I wondered how the HECK Godzilla did that. His arms seemed useless, and it didn't seem he had the ability to kick like that.

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2017, 06:46:10 AM »
I've always realized that my dream version of a Godzilla film would be BORING: basically, three 30-minute segments where Godzilla rises up out of the ocean, spends 29 minutes kickin' the bejeepers out of some city, then in the last minute, he swims away and all the human dialog is left as screams and shouts for help, or maybe "Fire!" for the tanks and airplanes.   No steenkin' love triangles, no steenkin' divorce courts or relationship counseling - just Godzilla stomping away. 

I bet the biggest factor against this would be the model-builders, though.  "Hey - it took us 4 weeks to construct these little cities and Godzilla wipes them out in 5 or 10 minutes.  How can we possibly build enough to withstand 29 minutes of kick-around destruction?"  Yeah... that'd be the tough issue.

SHIN remains a welcome commitment by Toho to make Godzilla movies, though.  The disco-ball effect of his spine lasers ('stayin' alive, stayin' alive, whoa whoa whoa whoa - stayin' ALIIII-YIIIVE)... his tail-mounted rear-gunner effect... the teddy-bear rolly-polly eyes) - I probably would have nixed those as 'design changes' but at least they are interesting conversation points. 

It's going to be interesting to see how KONG SKULL ISLAND's 'rock paintings' at the end can be incorporated by Toho - IF Toho joins in. 

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2017, 01:46:12 PM »
It's going to be interesting to see how KONG SKULL ISLAND's 'rock paintings' at the end can be incorporated by Toho - IF Toho joins in.
Well, Kong: Skull Island isn't connected to anything from Toho directly. It's tied to the 2014 US Godzilla film and that film's universe specifically. The Toho films are their own thing. In fact Shin Godzilla is even more its own thing since it's the first Toho Godzilla film to function as a 100% reboot.
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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2017, 02:54:19 PM »
Well, Kong: Skull Island isn't connected to anything from Toho directly. It's tied to the 2014 US Godzilla film and that film's universe specifically. The Toho films are their own thing. In fact Shin Godzilla is even more its own thing since it's the first Toho Godzilla film to function as a 100% reboot.

Yes and Toho's return to making Godzilla films after about 14 years. Really happy they started again.

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2017, 08:58:26 PM »
My son and I went to see the movie during its limited theatrical release. We are planning to watch it again on blue ray tomorrow night. I'm looking forward to seeing it again because I focused too much on trying to read the subtitles last time! I got a big kick out of the Japanese quips about Americans...
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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2017, 09:35:19 PM »
My son and I went to see the movie during its limited theatrical release. We are planning to watch it again on blue ray tomorrow night. I'm looking forward to seeing it again because I focused too much on trying to read the subtitles last time! I got a big kick out of the Japanese quips about Americans...
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I just got the dvd with the sub titles and will watch it tomorrow as well. I already saw the film, not in the theater and it was excellent.

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2017, 09:43:02 PM »
I actually gave the dub a shot and to my surprise, if you shut off the English subtitles too, there are no captions at all, not even for the various rooms, buildings, or names and government titles. It's really strange if you're used to the subtitled version because the huge amount of subtitles and captions create a tangible sense of just how complicated and overwhelming the bureaucracy of the Japanese government really is in the face of such a major disaster.
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« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2017, 09:09:53 AM »
I think the commentary about the unwieldy bureaucracy was the more salient point of "politics" of the film, where those hurdles were constantly being mentioned by staffers and assistants in the film.  But this is relevant in every gov't - even tyrants end up with bureaucratic fiefdoms around them, merrily tolerating those subservients in exchange for peaceful regions of total acquiescence.  The trauma of getting zoning changes thru what's-left-of-downtown-Christchurch should be a reminder that "these delays aren't all Japanese."

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2017, 10:40:14 AM »
You really talk like that ?
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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2017, 10:58:24 AM »
I think the commentary about the unwieldy bureaucracy was the more salient point of "politics" of the film, where those hurdles were constantly being mentioned by staffers and assistants in the film.  But this is relevant in every gov't - even tyrants end up with bureaucratic fiefdoms around them, merrily tolerating those subservients in exchange for peaceful regions of total acquiescence.  The trauma of getting zoning changes thru what's-left-of-downtown-Christchurch should be a reminder that "these delays aren't all Japanese."

I watched it for the second time, this time with English overdubs. There did seem to be a lot of political roadblocks. However, there were ethical ones as well. Which is realistic. I enjoyed the film for the second time. Love the look of this Big G. This monster is the Alpha monster. Currently, there is not one monster could take on this Godzilla and win. His size and laser beams are enough to over come any foe, so far. ;D

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Re: Anyone else see SHIN GODZILLA yet?
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2017, 01:09:32 PM »
We watched it again last night and enjoyed too. My son wanted to leave the subtitles on so I still haven't seen it without "reading" it as well. I guess a third viewing will be in order at some point!
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