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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2013, 06:07:24 PM »
I also didnt much care for the "diary of illustrated bondage porn" or whatever the heck it was that ole Norman found when they pulled up the carpet.

I have a feeling that by the time the series has run its course, it will be compared more to the 1998 re-make of Psycho than Hitchcock's version. :-\


The novel dealt with Norman having some kind of pornographic material, an idea that was dropped in the film!!

http://www.hitchcockwiki.com/wiki/Creative_Screenwriting_-_Interview_with_Joseph_Stefano

Still haven't watched this but from what I'm reading it sounds more like the novel than Hitchcock's film!  I'll never understand when someone thinks a subject is to much for a horror/thriller film?!  Horror films have always pushed the boundaries of what is excepted, what is expected, social issues and societies underbelly!

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2013, 07:09:39 PM »
And, besides, whom amongst us doesn't have a secret porn stash? Even if it's just old Playboys or vintage copies of Gent with early stories by Stephen King in them? :angel:
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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2013, 11:29:45 PM »
Other than seeing Vigo Mortensen's butt and watching Vince Vaughn whack it, it was essentially the same script. I think they even removed the reference to Julianne Moore's character being a lesbian, at the last minute. Other than wasting William H. Macy as Arbogast, the remake just felt to much like treading water in the baby pool, instead of swimming with sharks.

No, unless they get very, very creative indeed, I think it will just feel like a drawn-out version of "Psycho IV: The Beginning." Which, don't get me wrong, had its moments. But, it wasn't as good as "Psycho II" or "Psycho III."


Yeah---it was the same script. But the acting was terrible. Vince Vaughn was disastrous, couldnt hold a candle to Perkins' performance. Anne Heche was nowhere near as likable as Janet Leigh. But they played the exact same character with the exact same lines. William H. Macy was, indeed, wasted....and Viggo came across as more creepy than Norman (to me anyway).  The "whacking it" scene was (again--to me) just plain stupid. In Hitch's version when Norman was attracted to a female, Mother took over. So, um...yeah. I dunno what to make of that exactly, lol. ::)

I guess I am in the minority. I dont have a porn stash. Also--if this is set in the now, I have no idea why Normie would find the equivalent of "underground comics" appealing when he could just find real boobies on the web somehwere, or just walk past a Victoria's secret in the mall and see more real life nakedness,lol..

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2013, 11:49:41 PM »
The novel dealt with Norman having some kind of pornographic material, an idea that was dropped in the film!!

http://www.hitchcockwiki.com/wiki/Creative_Screenwriting_-_Interview_with_Joseph_Stefano

Still haven't watched this but from what I'm reading it sounds more like the novel than Hitchcock's film!  I'll never understand when someone thinks a subject is to much for a horror/thriller film?!  Horror films have always pushed the boundaries of what is excepted, what is expected, social issues and societies underbelly!


I know. Norman was a fat, balding, sort of half drunk jaded old pooper in the book. Totally unlikable.

I liked Bloch's story. I like a lot of his stories. Its not as good as the film.  I think Psycho would just be a footnote in his literary career if Hitchcock hadnt filmed it.  I like a lot of Poe's stories too. But the one I think is the scariest was never made into film to the best of my knowledge. Its called Berenice. For me---its utterly terrifying. Much more so than say Pit and The Pendulum or one of his better known horrors. Because the others were filmed, they get the spotlight. Berenice is seldomly cited. More of a small footnote or a "he also wrote this". I really think Psycho would be Bloch's Berenice if not for Hitchcock. But what do I know? :angel:

I am gonna give Bates Motel a try for awhile. But I am not that optimistic. My wife watched it with me. She thought the rape scene was too much as well. We were equally suprised by how much violence they showed on a regular tv show with the stabbing. But the fat tub of lard deserved what he got. >:(

Watching Bates Motel is kind of like watching The Thing prequel. It's gonna be hard to get too attached to anyone or anything. Because you know everybody in the prequel was doomed from frame one reel one. When its all said and done---Mother dies, Norman plays dress up, kills everybody who comes near him, eventually burns the house to the ground and then grows old and dies with his wife he met while in the nuthouse, after threatening to kill her because she got pregnant. If they bother to follow the continuity of the previous films. But they are being quite selective with regards to this already.

In Psycho 3, we learn Ms. Spool killed Norman's father. But in Psycho 4, they change it to him being stung to death by bees. Its obvious in Bates Motel, that Norma probably killed her husband and made it look like an accident. Or Norman did it because  he's already bonkers, and then "blacked out", as we know he does after the whole mother affair later in his life. Mother is also cited as "not allowing liquor" by Norman....but she seems to be having some wine  at dinner. So who knows what they will keep and what they will pitch? The Shadow, maybe. But he aint talkin'. :angel:

UPDATE: Berenice is getting a low budget picture. After 173 years. Better late than never, I guess. Lol. :o ??? ;D

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2013, 01:22:50 AM »
I think to make this work they're going to have to go the Dexter route.  Norman's going to have to be so likeable that we want him to get away with the murders. 

Going by Psycho 4, Norma is Norman's first victim (am I remembering that right?)  Could be that until Norman snaps he just helps Norma with her kills.  Just speculating.

I'm not really sure Bates Motel is actually supposed to restricted by any of the movie.  Feels more like a complete reboot to me.
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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2013, 02:42:53 AM »
I'm not really sure Bates Motel is actually supposed to restricted by any of the movie.  Feels more like a complete reboot to me.
Yup, complete reboot. Some movie elements from the movie "Psycho" are being kept, others tossed out. Otherwise, this would have to be set in the late 1940s or early 1950s. They chose not to go that route with it.
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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2013, 09:44:57 AM »
Sadly, I also do not have a secret porn stash-hahahaha! But I have Showtime & HBO- so...
Anyways, since I feel comfortable enough to not blab out spoilers now- I immediately made the American Horror Story comparison as well! It seems like the writers are gonna throw out some curse words/naked rear ends and call it a day. But I hope I'm wrong, because the actors seem really dedicated and I hope they get to evolve. I really like the actress that plays Norma Bates. She seems to have all the right characteristics that I would imagine a younger "Mother" to have. She's bitter, beautiful, and loyal to Norman. I find her very believable. And of course, the kid playing Norman is an amazing little actor. I felt really pulled in during the carpet ripping/police scene. That's when I started enjoying it and stopped feeling sour about the things I didn't like.
I also have decided that I need to go to Barnes & Noble or Amazon and buy a copy of the book. I've never read it! As much as I love all things Psycho- I can't believe I've never read the book....I'm a poser! I also need to have it in paperback form, as I do not have an e reader. So I hope everything picks up next week- I'm also skeptical about the brother storyline.

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2013, 10:24:44 AM »
I dug it!

The period was a little, WTF, at first but I noticed that in the beginning Norman does run past a modern tv (rectangular screen instead of square); So once the cellphones started popping up it wasn't like, "Uh?!".  As a nod to the decor Norma does mention something like, "The place hasn't been touched since the 60's.", when talking to someone on the phone.

One possible real life counterpart/inspiration for Norman's character may be Ted Bundy, who by all accounts was handsome, well mannered and intelligent but he liked to assault/kill women as opposing to date them!

I'm not against a little blood, gore, t 'n' a or violence in my horror material, especially one that involves deranged individuals!  One must remember that cable, even basic cable, channels get away with much more than standard (ABC, FOX, CBS, ABC) channels, that's why many producers are turning to F/X, AMC, A&E, History, etc. to present their shows the way they want to!  I have no doubt that many a horror director from silent era to 80's would prefer the lenient censorship of cable over broadcast networks!


I'm still adding a SPOILER WARNING since some folks don't watch previews!!









It was evident right away to me that there would be another killer on the loose once Norman found that odd notebook!  My guess is one of the police is the killer, leaning more towards Romero but who knows.?!  Also wondering if they'll make Summers (the now dead rapist-previous owner) know about the killer's activities and/or be an accomplice.....possibly helping dispose of bodies!?  If that's the case is Romero aware that Summers' body was in the bathtub and just kept mum?  Did he enter the room in the first place hoping to retrieve the notebook?






Not sure how enthralled I am with this subplot but we'll see where it goes!

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2013, 10:41:13 AM »
Ooh! Interesting! That's something I never picked up on, but I like your police theory- ZH!
I'm also trying not to be too spoil-y! I also had a funny feeling about the dark haired policeman (I couldn't remember his name), but I never thought about the possible twist you mentioned!
I broke down and bought the Hitchcock movie off of Itunes a few days ago, and I absolutely loved it! I can't wait til my husband gets back from his biz trip, so I can watch it again. It was so fascinating to see (Anthony Hopkins) Hitchcock struggle with the censors. I'm not sure how historically accurate the movie was, but I never knew how much trouble he had with the making of Psycho!
I watched it before I watched Bates Motel, so I think I was super excited about it and had ridiculously high expectations. But I will definitely keep watching the show! And now I must find the book   :)

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2013, 04:38:51 PM »

I have a feeling that by the time the series has run its course, it will be compared more to the 1998 re-make of Psycho than Hitchcock's version. :-\
That was exactly what I was thinking.  I saw the 1999 remake once, it was OK for what it was, but I wouldn't bother to see it again.  The bondage book kind of reminds me of Vaugn's homage to Paul Rubens in an adult theatre when looking at Marion through the peephole, as unnescesary.  Apparently it's not enough to have a character going through a psychotic episode over having to deal with having killed his own mother.  Let's make Norman into a full fledged perv! 
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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2013, 07:08:32 PM »
Promo for episode 2.  So far only on Facebook so you'll have to be on Facebook to see it.  Could the town be worse than Norma and Norman?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10101335289595837
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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2013, 08:20:45 PM »
That was exactly what I was thinking.  I saw the 1999 remake once, it was OK for what it was, but I wouldn't bother to see it again.  The bondage book kind of reminds me of Vaugn's homage to Paul Rubens in an adult theatre when looking at Marion through the peephole, as unnescesary.  Apparently it's not enough to have a character going through a psychotic episode over having to deal with having killed his own mother.  Let's make Norman into a full fledged perv!

This comes from the novel (Norman having porn) and I believe was originally part of the screen play!

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2013, 09:33:53 PM »
Drank too much Scotch :-[ and fell asleep about 20 mins in. Hope it's back on again.

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2013, 11:07:36 PM »
Hey Mike- You can probably catch a repeat of the show online or on A&E.  I have a feeling they will try to air the pilot as much as they can. I've never tried scotch, but if it makes you sleepy...I better stay away! Milk makes me sleepy enough!

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Re: Bates Motel premiered last night (Mon. 18th) on A&E!
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2013, 12:40:57 PM »
And, besides, whom amongst us doesn't have a secret porn stash? Even if it's just old Playboys or vintage copies of Gent with early stories by Stephen King in them? :angel:

I, for one, don't!

The wife made me get rid of it a long time ago.
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