A Universal Monster film I would have LOVED to see...

[creaturerevenge]

I was going to post this in the Art Gallery, but I have noticed a lot of threads on here lately talking about things like "what would make a good horror movie?" and "why don't they make horror movies the way they used to?" and I thought this kinda fit in with some of those and could be an interesting thread too.

What is a classic horror film that was never made but that you would have loved to see?

The Wolfman and The Creature are 2 of my all time favorites, but unfortunately never got any screen time together. I know their setting were pretty far apart, both in location and time, but they kept the wolfman story spanning years in some jumps, they could have done something to suspend his story for a while and bring him to some of the scientists from the Creature films doing research in biology to try and find a cure, only to end up locking claws with the Creature! I would have LOVED to see that film! 2 ruthless beast going at each other in the swamp! Could have been a really cool movie! I know some people give the "monster rally" films a rough time sometimes, and true their stories weren't NEARLY as strong, but they are still a lot of fun! I started thinking about this last week and set to work on creating a poster for this film that never was and Just finished it this evening. I'm thinking about doing a few prints of it if anyone is interested...



What is a classic horror film that you would have loved to have seen?

[Dr. Blasko]

I don't think it would've worked, really. With the Creature being limited with his time out of water, the only way they could fight fairly evenly is in shallow water :/

Now, Dracula vs. Frankenstein by Universal, I would have loved to see that! There were a few movies of that title, but they were all REALLY terrible. And all the Universal films featuring them, they never actually fought. That would have been a great match up.

[gillgrappler]

I LOVE the poster!

[creaturerevenge]

I LOVE the poster!

Thanks! It was a really fun piece!

I don't think it would've worked, really. With the Creature being limited with his time out of water, the only way they could fight fairly evenly is in shallow water :/

Now, Dracula vs. Frankenstein by Universal, I would have loved to see that! There were a few movies of that title, but they were all REALLY terrible. And all the Universal films featuring them, they never actually fought. That would have been a great match up.

My problem with ever having Dracula actually fight any of the other monsters, is that Dracula is more of an intellectual villain than he is a monster. I mean, yea he's undead and he can turn into a bat, but he is more of a schemer who manipulates people to hill will. But as far as actually squaring off with any of the other monsters, I can't see it being THAT interesting of a fight. It would basically be Frankenstein tossing around a dapper gent in a tux and cape. Maybe in a modern vampire sense it could have worked (super speed, super strength, the ability to sparkle, etc.) but with the classic style Dracula or Carradine Dracula, I just can't see it being THAT exciting, IMO.

But with Creature facing off with Wolfman, you have 2 primal beasts clashing! Yea, Creature can't be out of the water for that long, but if you keep the story close in to the Amazon and you have both beasties lusting over the same woman, it could make for some really cool battle scene, both on land and in shallow waters. I imagine the film taking place between the first 2 Creature films, along the Amazon. There is a botanist researching different plants and some of their healing powers. Larry Talbot travels to the botanist's camp site in hopes of him having a cure for his lycanthropy. While they are there studying, the botanist wants to push deeper and further into the Amazon to search for these rare plants. His old friend Dr. David Reed knows the Amazon river pretty well from his ealier expedition so he calls him in to help lead guide the team. He is reluctant at first, but gives in after feeling confident that they'd killed the Creature. They push deeper in as Talbot begins to fall for the botanist's female assistant. Around then the Creature starts to show up and begins pining for the same gal. Calamity and awesome monster fights ensue.

At least thats the story I came up with in my head as I was sitting working on this painting 

[Dr. Blasko]

It's the classic match up of brains vs brawn. See all the other Frankenstein movies for the same thing essentially.

[creaturerevenge]

It's the classic match up of brains vs brawn. See all the other Frankenstein movies for the same thing essentially.

But that has kinda showed up in some of the Universal films that had both Frank and Drac in it, especially Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein, where Dracula was in total control of the monster. It doesn't seem like it would take very much to overpower the monsters mind.

[Monster Bob]

It doesn't seem like it would take very much to overpower the monsters mind.

Just set the joint on fire and you win.

[Paul L]

I like the idea, CF! I'm always a sucker for a fun monster rally!

[Count_Zirock]

But that has kinda showed up in some of the Universal films that had both Frank and Drac in it, especially Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein, where Dracula was in total control of the monster. It doesn't seem like it would take very much to overpower the monsters mind.

And that's when he had Ygor's brain, too! Poor Ygor, his dreams of world domination dashed when he went blind and all of his dialogue got cut from FMTWM!

[RedKing]

Great posterCR! Also would make a really good movie. I am pretty sure Creech outmatches the Wolf Man in strength but it would be a great fight nonetheless! I always thought Frankenstein Meets the Mummy would be a heck of a fight too. Franky and Kharis seem to be about the same level of strength. As a teen many moons ago I had the idea for this and had a kindly scientist discover Franky and revive him and set about befriending him ala the blind hermit in Bride. Meanwhile Andoheb himself arrives and revives Kharis to retreive Anaka who just happens to be reincarnated as the kindly scientist's assistant/girlfriend! Franky the doc trail Kharis to the hideout and the two monsters have a showdown as the doc and Andoheb struggle over the girl! Very simple story but not much different than many other 40s Universal monster plots.

[zombiehorror]

Here's some fan fiction for The Wolf Man vs. The Creature that I whipped up in about an hour (and posted here) sometime early last year;



The haggard and worn man had been all across Europe searching for a solution to his affliction but no matter whom he turned to all efforts had led down the same road of misfortune and death.  He even traveled north, south, east and west in the United States; reaching to science, religion and anything else that might cure his ailment.  But all to no avail until he came upon tales from a small city in Florida, ripe in Spanish lore and folktale.

He knew coming to the Amazon was a long shot but he couldn't help but follow the legends he'd heard.  Banding with some researches under the guise of being a mechanic, he left with them from the Gulf Coast of Florida in search of new life forms in the Amazon and a plant that may just be his salvation.  They'd been there nearly two weeks so he new that it wouldn't be long before he was overtaken with killer urges.  He decided that he couldn't risk his travelers, now his friends, lives and fled the camp.  Although he knew he had time, he could already feel the urges coming on so he began to run as fast as he could, for as long as he could.  Finally at dusk he came to a dingy sitting along the edge of the river.  He climbed aboard the craft and launched it out into the water.

He awoke later that night perspiring and distressed, holding his gaze steady on the floor of the dingy, for he knew the moon was now high in the sky.  The Amazonian landscape was a glow from the radiant light set forth by the full moon that night, a moon that brought only death for the weary-world traveler adrift on the water.  Something suddenly hit the boat that he was in rocking it from side to side, looking up he accidentally caught the reflection of the full moon in the blackened waters.  His body was immediately gripped with spasms, every nerve ending was on fire as he began to transform.  His body became engulfed in coarse-thick brown hair, each one sending a fiery burst thru his nervous system has it sprung up from the pore.  Ankle bones snapped and transformed into the hocks of a canine, the enlarged paws bursting thru his boots.  His nose as well became that of a canines, cartilage in his ears started to shift pulling at the top forming pointed ridges were once there were rounded human features.  Claws now excruciatingly grew were fingernails had been.  Lastly and ever so painfully his teeth began to jut and reallign themselves; this was always his first taste of blood during the tranformations and it immediatly started the hunger in his belly.  The animal that now crouched in the spot where a man had once sat was anxious and wild, it started to shift from bow to stern and looking about wildly.  It's large wolf-like eyes were darting from side to side, glowing yellow in the full moons grip.

The dingy was rocked again by something underneath the waters surface.  The beast tilted its head back and began howling under the light of the full moon.  But it's howls were quckly extinquished when the boat was bumped yet again by an underwater assailant sending the lycanthrope over the edge.  There in the murky depths below, the wolfman met a force underwater equal to his own on land, an amphibious humanoid.  The creature though manlike sported green scales covering it's body, with huge webbed hands and feet.  It's facial features resembled that more of a fish than a man and it was gilled on either side of its head.  It was here in what the natives referred to as, the Black Lagoon, that Larry Talbot just might have found the salvation from his long time suffering as the gilled man's huge claws raked across Larry's chest.  The beast could feel life slowly fading away as he struggled to break free from the creatures grip.  Hopelessly trapped under the water he tried to fight taking that first breath but every animal instinct told him to breath....



I have thought about where this may go but really haven't jotted anything down!

[Dr. Blasko]

I still think I would rather see Dracula vs. Frankenstein (if only because of the close history of the characters and we never got a good one. I mean, the best of all of the independent ones that came out featured Dracula PHYSICALLY OVERPOWERING the monster for crying out loud.), or a Wolfman vs. Dracula specific film (I love Creature, but due to needing to be in water, any fight with the monsters doesn't necessarily seem very fair to me).

All that being said though, I would still watch the movie, and the poster is just incredible.

[jerod]

The Wolfman and The Creature are 2 of my all time favorites, but unfortunately never got any screen time together. I know their setting were pretty far apart, both in location and time, but they kept the wolfman story spanning years in some jumps, they could have done something to suspend his story for a while and bring him to some of the scientists from the Creature films doing research in biology to try and find a cure, only to end up locking claws with the Creature! I would have LOVED to see that film! 2 ruthless beast going at each other in the swamp! Could have been a really cool movie!

Love the idea creaturerevenge! I've done allot of Classic Monster cross-overs, but with the Creature being in the 50s era I usually leave him out. Here are a couple possible stills from your dream movie, featuring an older Chaney/Talbot:

[Haunted hearse]

I still think I would rather see Dracula vs. Frankenstein (if only because of the close history of the characters and we never got a good one. I mean, the best of all of the independent ones that came out featured Dracula PHYSICALLY OVERPOWERING the monster for crying out loud.), or a Wolfman vs. Dracula specific film (I love Creature, but due to needing to be in water, any fight with the monsters doesn't necessarily seem very fair to me).

All that being said though, I would still watch the movie, and the poster is just incredible.

Return of the Vampire is as close as we're going to get to a classic confrontration between Dracula and Wolfman, and that film was actually pretty good (I know Lugosi wasn't technically playing Dracula)  Maybe the team up between Creature and Talbot would work out better, if we were talking Were-cocker spaniel.

[Count_Zirock]

There's a pretty good sequence in Jeff Rovin's novel "Return of the Wolf Man" (1998) where Dracula and the Wolf Man have a battle that's much more aggressive than the one in "Abbott & Costello Meet Frankenstein." The book actually picks up from the end of A&CMF, reviving the monsters.
The Monster's abnormal brain is probably highly succeptible to Count Dracula's hypnotic influence. Strength-wise, it's possible that the Monster is physically stronger, but he's not an experienced warrior, like Dracula. Since A&CMF was a comedy, and Lugosi was 67 at the time, it probably just made more sense, storywise and from a budgetary standpoint, to have Dracula and the Wolf Man just toss furniture at one another. (In Rovin's book, he suggests dawn is approaching and Dracula is just trying to get away to his coffin. Doesn't really add up, as it's still full dark when Chick and Wilbur encounter the Invisible Man in their rowboat at the film's end.)