Repop debate

[ICEMANN333]

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[Type3Toys]

Knock-Off stuff is cool, it can also be a collectable in its' own right. Since I dont look at toys, models, ect as investments, reproduction items do not bother me. I never buy any of the stuff I collect with the pretense of "hope I can turn a dime, or at least get what I paid for this if I sell it later" mentality. To me, most of the stuff I enjoy helps keep me in touch with my childhood. Not only could I never place a dollar vaule on my childhood, the price of each collectors' childhood will be different.
I am a member on other message boards where folks become outraged at repro stuff "bringing down the value of their collection".  The reality of my world is, my collection of stuff need only be valuable to me.

[Hepcat]

Again......repop= lazy, lack of creativiy, greed. Repop is the enemy of any true collector....

I agree!

The only exceptions would be properly authorized repops that offer something more or at least different than the originals, such as the Uncle Milton rerelease of the Marx Universal monsters as Glow-in-the-Dark figures:



 

[Monster Bob]

This.  But a repop gets sold at a garage sale or in a flea market, and the new owner thinks he has a vintage original...  it really depends on the item though.

I have yet to see a repop "Samjo" item at a garage sale, and yet when one appears on ebay, which is somewhat frequently, the seller can't tell you if it's a repop or not, usually because they "don't remember" or "don't know the difference". Hogwash. Anyone that cared enough to spend a couple of hundred bucks, even 5 years ago, sure as heck remembers when they bought it and that they paid a lot of money for it. This phenom seems to happen most often with bike buddys. They will just be listed with a pic and a short description, and when you ask the seller, you always get an "I don't know" or "I can't tell", and then a "no refunds" policy. Bah.

[Hepcat]

They will just be listed with a pic and a short description, and when you ask the seller, you always get an "I don't know" or "I can't tell", and then a "no refunds" policy. Bah.

Bah is right. Shysters and crooks!

 

[Monster Bob]

Remember the Samjo "Monster Paints" set that was on ebay a couple of years ago and the seller swore it was an original? (I think he may have said he bought many years ago-long before Samjo) I posted pictures of it and circled the wear and crease marks on it, next to a picture of one Samjo was selling new at the time. Sure enough, it was a Samjo repop. It's that kind of crap that bugs me, not so much because I won't figure it out, but because the uneducated might not- until he sends the money and has it in his hands. That bugs me.

[zombiehorror]

I'm definitely not down with repops that don't somehow distinguish themselves from the original!  The biggest thing of course there being the fraudulent nature involved in such items!  Whether it is from the original maker/repopper or from someone selling it 2nd, 3rd or 4th hand that doesn't have the knowledge to know the difference.  At the very least original copyright dates should always be removed and replaced with current ones!  I printed out some images of monster stuff from the 60's that I was going to use (hopefully will eventually use) in my bathroom and even those I wrote that they were reproductions with the current years date on them, just in case one day I croak and my items end up on the chopping block; That way there is no wonder/concern if it was really printed in the 60's or a later year!

There is a difference to me as well when something is completely rebuilt using an old example and when something is just made (legally) using an old mold; Aurora's, Marx, etc..

In the end I would pay way more money for the "Anchor Hocking" fantasy place mats than I would for repopped Anchor Hocking glasses.

[bigbud]

[quoteIn the end I would pay way more money for the "Anchor Hocking" fantasy place mats than I would for repopped Anchor Hocking glasses.][/quote]

Zombiehorror........please don't tell me they have re-popped the Anchor Hocking monster glasses! You got me checking mine recently purchased set.   Buddy

[zombiehorror]

Zombiehorror........please don't tell me they have re-popped the Anchor Hocking monster glasses! You got me checking mine recently purchased set.   Buddy

Ha...I was actually going to put a disclaimer that the Anchor Hocking glasses had not been recast but then again I'm no expert....LOL!  There was some debate awhile back about it not being monetarily beneficial to repop them, so no worries!

[darkmonkeygod]

I have yet to see a repop "Samjo" item at a garage sale, and yet when one appears on ebay, which is somewhat frequently, the seller can't tell you if it's a repop or not, usually because they "don't remember" or "don't know the difference". Hogwash. Anyone that cared enough to spend a couple of hundred bucks, even 5 years ago, sure as heck remembers when they bought it and that they paid a lot of money for it. This phenom seems to happen most often with bike buddys. They will just be listed with a pic and a short description, and when you ask the seller, you always get an "I don't know" or "I can't tell", and then a "no refunds" policy. Bah.

Funny you should mention the bike buddy. NekroDave and I just a month or so ago had a situation where a seller in Japan had a Frankenstein Bike Buddy in the box with shrink wrapping. The seller thought it was original but are not specialists in monsters nor American toys (my sense was it came from the estate of a deceased collector friend of the seller). Due to translation issues and a TIGHT timeline that didn't allow for better photos, both Dave and I both passed. The price was low, even for a repop. It still bugs me, because it looked like there was a dent in the nose and there was some package damage (though I've seen Samjo "editions" with package damage. The item had been wrapped over again with intricately cut and folded plastic (a great fondness of Japanese collectors) so there was no way to determine what the shrink wrap underneath the new covering looked like. If ever. I wanted one of the recast, this would have been my time, as even with buying fees and transport, it would have come in at the range Samjo sold the (just under $200) and if it were real, well they buyer got an amazing deal. More than likely, I'll never know, and it will always bug me.

[ICEMANN333]

MONSTER'S AND GHOULS....  BEFORE REPOP'S   WE WERE AT THE MERCY OF SELLERS ASKING HUGE DOLLARS AS SOME US KNOW 1ST HAND AND ME WE SPENT BIG CASH...... BUT IN TODAY'S ECOMMONY THE TRUE DIEHARDS IN THERE MONSTER ROOM'S ON SATURDAY NIGHT WITH 5 KIDS.........WOULD HE SPEND 1.500 ON A ORIGINAL RENZI OR SPEND 200.00....THAT'S THE QUESTION.... I AM WITH YOU ON THIS IF IT'S A REPOP OR RECAST OR CUSTOM MEGO IT SHOULD BE KNOWN TO BUYER.......   I WAS AT A MONSTER SHOW 3 YEARS AGO ORIGINAL DRACULA BINDER FOR SALE 350.00    NEXT TO IT 20 REPRO'S........25.00 EACH.........END OF SHOW .......ALL REPRO'S  SOLD ..........ORIGINAL STILL ON TABLE.........WHY.........IT'S  BETTER TO HAVE A COOL MONSTER ITEM HE CAN BRING HOME WITHOUT BREAKING HIS BANK........... SO IF ALL OF US HERE ON THE UMA SITE  BIDS ON THE RENZI CAR IT WOULD SELL FOR 50.000 .......WOULD YOU BUY IT FOR THAT........HOW MANY OF US WOULD BUY A REPOP FOR 200.00 JUST TO HAVE A COOL ITEM TO DISPLAY.............THE ONE'S WHO ARE MAD ARE THE ONES WHO SPENT BIG MONEY AND KNOW SOME OF US CAN SAY I HAVE ONE TO FOR A LOT LESS...........    WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IS GREED AND CASH...........SELLER ALWAYS WINS .......WE BUY WHAT WE CAN AFFORD........ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT FOR REPOP'S NOR AGAINST FOR IT I AM FOR THE MONSTER COLLECTOR WHO CAN AFFORD A REAL ONE OR FAKE........BIG JOHN

[Hepcat]

Remember the Samjo "Monster Paints" set that was on ebay a couple of years ago and the seller swore it was an original? (I think he may have said he bought many years ago-long before Samjo) I posted pictures of it and circled the wear and crease marks on it, next to a picture of one Samjo was selling new at the time. Sure enough, it was a Samjo repop.

How could the Aurora monster paints be reproduced? I can see the packaging being reproduced, but how could the little cans of Humbol paints be duplicated? Did the paints in these sets have labels unique to the set?

[Hepcat]

I am a member on other message boards where folks become outraged at repro stuff "bringing down the value of their collection".

That part doesn't bother me one iota. Like you I'm not collecting to turn a buck. I'm doing it for its one sake. Moreover, I have no sympathy for the investors/speculators interested only in the monetary aspect of collecting.

The part that concerns me though is being defrauded by paying the money for an original but ending up with a repro.

 

[zombiehorror]

MONSTER'S AND GHOULS....  BEFORE REPOP'S   WE WERE AT THE MERCY OF SELLERS ASKING HUGE DOLLARS AS SOME US KNOW 1ST HAND AND ME WE SPENT BIG CASH...... BUT IN TODAY'S ECOMMONY THE TRUE DIEHARDS IN THERE MONSTER ROOM'S ON SATURDAY NIGHT WITH 5 KIDS.........WOULD HE SPEND 1.500 ON A ORIGINAL RENZI OR SPEND 200.00....THAT'S THE QUESTION.... I AM WITH YOU ON THIS IF IT'S A REPOP OR RECAST OR CUSTOM MEGO IT SHOULD BE KNOWN TO BUYER.......   I WAS AT A MONSTER SHOW 3 YEARS AGO ORIGINAL DRACULA BINDER FOR SALE 350.00    NEXT TO IT 20 REPRO'S........25.00 EACH.........END OF SHOW .......ALL REPRO'S  SOLD ..........ORIGINAL STILL ON TABLE.........WHY.........IT'S  BETTER TO HAVE A COOL MONSTER ITEM HE CAN BRING HOME WITHOUT BREAKING HIS BANK........... SO IF ALL OF US HERE ON THE UMA SITE  BIDS ON THE RENZI CAR IT WOULD SELL FOR 50.000 .......WOULD YOU BUY IT FOR THAT........HOW MANY OF US WOULD BUY A REPOP FOR 200.00 JUST TO HAVE A COOL ITEM TO DISPLAY.............THE ONE'S WHO ARE MAD ARE THE ONES WHO SPENT BIG MONEY AND KNOW SOME OF US CAN SAY I HAVE ONE TO FOR A LOT LESS...........    WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IS GREED AND CASH...........SELLER ALWAYS WINS .......WE BUY WHAT WE CAN AFFORD........ONCE AGAIN I AM NOT FOR REPOP'S NOR AGAINST FOR IT I AM FOR THE MONSTER COLLECTOR WHO CAN AFFORD A REAL ONE OR FAKE........BIG JOHN

I'd rather not have the item than have a runner up repop of it, knowing that if I bought a repop I'd still in the end yearn for the original item!  Apologies for my quote "yelling" at everyone!

[ICEMANN333]

I ALWAYS TYPE IN  (((    BIG   )))) I LIKE THE WAY IT LOOKS........NOT YELLING AT EVERYONE OR ANYONE ............IF I WAS YOU WOULD NOW..........ICE...BIG J..........